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[quote=sancho2613;406349][B]hey if you don't want him we'll take him lol..[/B] seriously I think pretty much any team would be happy to take him. He brings talent, excitement, and he's not a bad guy like people here are pointing out. People really like watching him play.... I just hope that the Patriots don't get him too LOL I wouldn't want to see him on any team that i hate because he's really a talented guy[/quote]

I'm sure if we did end up picking him up, people around here wouldn't be saying they don't want him. If we did pick him up and the guy delivered next year as a solid and consistent #1, everyone will be singing his praises about what a great acquisition he is.

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we can use him....imagine moss and him together..they'll torch any team

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[QUOTE=prinzeofmoval;406351]we can use him....imagine moss and him together..they'll torch any team[/QUOTE]

You would think the same thing about him and T.J. with a pretty good QB but they didn't even make it to the playoffs. They're defense wasn't a big help but they had games were they had trouble just scoring 10-13 points

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I doubt the Redskins will pick him up. Dan Snyder doesn't pick up idiots like Chad Johnson that brings drama to the locker room and acts like a moron on the field. No thanks.

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You think the cancer in the locker room cliche would be put to rest by now. We've seen two cancers take their team to the next level: TO & Randy Moss. There's no trouble in the locker room now because they're winning. A successful season quiets any malcontent.

Any competitive person that has performed at the level of a Chad Johnson, on and off the field, year in and year out, and only has a 1st round playoff loss to show for it would be understandably upset. Cincy has not brought in the personnel to win but instead been a revolving door for criminals and thugs. They inexplicably pass every down, short yardage or long. And rather than question the FO or the coach, the best player on the team is blamed because he celebrates the few quality plays of a poor team. I think this slamming of Chad Johnson buys Marvin Lewis another season or two, while he should be the one called out on the carpet, not Chad.

The Skins should definitely try to make a move for him. Yes, still give Mix a chance. Bur CJ is going to be the equivalent of what Reche Caldwell and Keenan McCardell were for us this season times ten. He'll move the chains and make the big catches. Also, he'll help spread out the secondary more than Reche and Keenan would. So, Santana and ARE would get open more deep. He'll definitely be a positive piece of the offense, and his acquisition would result in greater offensive production. I don't think we'd be limited to just Chris Cooley in the redzone with Chad on the team.

I say make the move if we can clear salary cap space.

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[url=http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080112/SPT02/801120376/1066/SPT]The Enquirer - Johnson airs grievances[/url]

You never know.

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[QUOTE=NinjaLink;406364]I doubt the Redskins will pick him up. Dan Snyder doesn't pick up idiots like Chad Johnson that brings drama to the locker room and acts like a moron on the field. No thanks.[/QUOTE]

If maintain over 1000 yards every season is acting like a moron we need more morons on this team.

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Chad Johnson is a problem child. Loads of talent but a problem child. He's under contract in Cincy (one more year I think) so it would take a trade to get him.

T.O is a problem child. Loads of talent but a problem child. He's under contract in Dallas (one more year) so it would take a trade to get him.

Randy Moss is a problem child. Loads of talent but a problem child - - who just got through setting an all time record for TD catches in a single season. He will be a free agent as soon as the Pats' season is over. No trade needed.

For those of you who want to take a shot at a talented WR who is also a problem child, why not take the one who has the most talent AND is a free agent???

Just asking...

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[QUOTE=sportscurmudgeon;407681]Chad Johnson is a problem child. Loads of talent but a problem child. He's under contract in Cincy (one more year I think) so it would take a trade to get him.

T.O is a problem child. Loads of talent but a problem child. He's under contract in Dallas (one more year) so it would take a trade to get him.

Randy Moss is a problem child. Loads of talent but a problem child - - who just got through setting an all time record for TD catches in a single season. He will be a free agent as soon as the Pats' season is over. No trade needed.

For those of you who want to take a shot at a talented WR who is also a problem child, why not take the one who has the most talent AND is a free agent???

Just asking...[/QUOTE]
I think it is a matter of cost. If the cost is say a 3rd rounder(not out of the realm of possibility but not likely) for CJ then I think just about anyone would take him and his one year left over the boat loads of money it is going to cost to sign Randy Moss. The cap spce needed for Moss is a lot more valuable than the 3rd rounder we'd need for CJ. But I think any more than a 3rd rounder and I am out.

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I'm gonna go ahead and predict Moss never leaves New England. They would be retarded to let him get away. Yes he is a free agent...but if they cannot agree to a long term deal with him...Smart money says they slap the franchise tag on him...and then it takes two first round picks to sign him away. So...i would argue moss is not on the open market.

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If they "let" moss get away, they'll be fine. Just like they are every other damn year. Stallworth is a pretty good vertical threat too.

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the last thing we need on this team is him slip back into the free agent pool with big names ,huge contracts ,and little to show for it

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Does anyone know what other WR's might be Free Agents?

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[quote=mheisig;406203]What a nightmare to have to cover T.O. and Johnson at the same time...[/quote]

In this case I think you're right, but imagine having to coach T.O. and CJ.

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[QUOTE=WillH;407764]Does anyone know what other WR's might be Free Agents?[/QUOTE]

Andre Davis, Bryant Johnson, Patrick Crayton, Jerry Porter, Bernard Berrian are among the top ones

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[quote=SmootSmack;407782]Andre Davis, Bryant Johnson, Patrick Crayton, Jerry Porter, Bernard Berrian are among the top ones[/quote]

I thought Crayton just signed a big extension. Like two weeks ago?

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[QUOTE=12thMan;407785]I thought Crayton just signed a big extension. Like two weeks ago?[/QUOTE]

You're right. Forgot about that

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He sure as hell didn't live up to it yesterday.

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i have never thought he was a non team player. He wants to win more than anything. He puts the blame on himself. All he does is have some fun. He is hilarious. However, its when they start losing and they blame his antics does it seem that he is being self centered. He doesn't do anything bad. He is offended by his organization. I'd love him if we could afford him and he was a FA. I don't want to trade for him; so i do not want him.

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[QUOTE=12thMan;406181]If he walks, I could see him coming to the East - yes, Dallas included.[/QUOTE]

Dallas with TO and Johnson would be scary. And the Skins with Moss and Johnson would also be scary (in a good way, at least in terms of talent on the field). I just don't see us taking on his baggage.

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[quote=SmootSmack;407782]Andre Davis, Bryant Johnson, Patrick Crayton, Jerry Porter, Bernard Berrian are among the top ones[/quote]

Thanks SmootSmack.

Bernard Berrian definitely had the best season of these guys with 951 yards 5 TDs recieving, the year before he had 775 yards 6TDs, and he is 27. He doesn't seem like a bad option - the only downside really is that he isn't very tall at 6'1, but the need for a tall receiver is questionable, especially considering he had 47 first downs. Not too Shabby

Bryant Johnson seems like he also might be worth giving a shot. He hasn't broken 600 yards receiving yet in his career, and he hasn't scored many points, but look who he is playing behind. At 26 years old this 6'3 216 lb WR might be a good option as our #2 or #3 WR.

One thing is for certain, we need to replace Brandon Lloyd. I like Caldwell and McCardell, but how much longer will they be with us? We need a young prospect at WR that could eventually become an impact player for us. We may be able to put this off for another year, but I think that we would be testing fate to go into the season without another talented young WR waiting in the wings just in case (God forbid) Moss or Randel El get injured.

Do you think we can afford any of these guys? Are any of them worth investing in? Are we better off trying to develop Mix or a someone on the practice squad? Should we consider looking in the draft?

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Since CJ is "A problem child" in some opinions how about Roy Williams in Detroit he wants to get out to make space for Calvin Johnson. You know the Lions F.O is always friendly to Mr. Snyder.....RW reminds me of a CYBORG on the field

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As of right now, the Lions are asking for at least a #2 pick for RW, allegedly. Pats got Moss for a 4th

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SS, do you think he's worth a 2nd (more specifically, OUR 2nd) ?

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Well if Moss is the precedent, then no.

If not, then yes I would seriously consider it. I saw a lot of Lions games this year and, while he has his faults, he's still IMO an elite WR.

Of course, this would cause serious backlash among the fan base for trading a draft pick. But I think we can still fill many of our needs even if we trade for him.

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From NFL.com, it looks like he's been pretty productive (when not injured) I'm surprised they're giving up on him so quickly. That would be 3 1st round picks on wr's and 2 of them not even on the team a couple of yrs later. How is Millen still employed again?

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I think he's trying to force a trade, more so than they would like to get rid of him

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[quote=SmootSmack;407824]Well if Moss is the precedent, then no.

If not, then yes I would seriously consider it. I saw a lot of Lions games this year and, while he has his faults, he's still IMO an elite WR.

Of course, this would cause serious backlash among the fan base for trading a draft pick. But I think we can still fill many of our needs even if we trade for him.[/quote]

Moss can't be the precedent. He was given away and I have no idea why. A better precedent might be Wes Welker (2nd and 7th) or Javon Walker (2nd). I'd be pretty happy to see Roy Williams in Washington. I've not been a fan of trading draft picks, but I guarantee there won't be any 6-3 WRs with Williams' speed in the 2nd round . . . He's not Brandon Lloyd and he's 26 years old.

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I want a million dollars. I really don't care what he wants. He is a good receiver. He is not the best receiver on his team. He is just the most outspoken. He is a good player, don't get me wrong, I wouldn't take him over Hines Ward, Marvin Harrison, or any other receiver that is in the upper echelon of receivers. He is good, but he is not worth spending draft picks on. Especially, first day draft picks.

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;407847]Moss can't be the precedent. He was given away and I have no idea why. A better precedent might be Wes Welker (2nd and 7th) or Javon Walker (2nd). I'd be pretty happy to see Roy Williams in Washington. I've not been a fan of trading draft picks, but I guarantee there won't be any 6-3 WRs with Williams' speed in the 2nd round . . . He's not Brandon Lloyd and he's 26 years old.[/quote]

Good point about Javon Walker & Wes Welker. The Pats straight up stole Randy Moss. They also traded Deion Branch to the Seahawks a couple of seasons ago for a first rounder. So I think that Randy Moss deal was more of an anomaly than a precedent.

All that being said and a weak WR draft class, I think Roy Williams for a #2 would be a decent deal. Maybe, Chad Johnson on the trading block as well will lessen their values in a trade. Amazing that two elite receivers are on the trade market. How can the Danny resist?

Also, would a Limas Sweed, Adarius Bowman or a Mario Manningham be a better acquisition than Roy Williams? We'd be lucky if one of those guys is still around when our #2 selection comes up. If upgrading the WR position is a priority, I'd rather do it with this trade.

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i say get him. ^ and randy moss was the biggest steal of the decade... even based on a single season.

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If Jackson comes to Washington so will Johnson as he really missed him in Cincy this year

[QUOTE=WillH;407799]Thanks SmootSmack.

Bernard Berrian definitely had the best season of these guys with 951 yards 5 TDs recieving, the year before he had 775 yards 6TDs, and he is 27. He doesn't seem like a bad option - the only downside really is that he isn't very tall at 6'1, but the need for a tall receiver is questionable, especially considering he had 47 first downs. Not too Shabby

Bryant Johnson seems like he also might be worth giving a shot. He hasn't broken 600 yards receiving yet in his career, and he hasn't scored many points, but look who he is playing behind. At 26 years old this 6'3 216 lb WR might be a good option as our #2 or #3 WR.

One thing is for certain, we need to replace Brandon Lloyd. I like Caldwell and McCardell, but how much longer will they be with us? We need a young prospect at WR that could eventually become an impact player for us. We may be able to put this off for another year, but I think that we would be testing fate to go into the season without another talented young WR waiting in the wings just in case (God forbid) Moss or Randel El get injured.

Do you think we can afford any of these guys? Are any of them worth investing in? Are we better off trying to develop Mix or a someone on the practice squad? Should we consider looking in the draft?[/QUOTE]

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[quote=mheisig;406203]What a nightmare to have to cover T.O. and Johnson at the same time...[/quote]

What a nightmare to have to share a locker room with those two together. Neither one would want to take a backseat or share the spotlight.

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I would take Ocho-Cinco in a heartbeat, he could change...we've seen T.O. morph, kinda, could you imagine him, Moss, Randle El, and Cooley on the field at the sametime.....a secondarys worst nightmare.

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[quote=NinjaLink;406364]I doubt the Redskins will pick him up. Dan Snyder doesn't pick up idiots like Chad Johnson that brings drama to the locker room and acts like a moron on the field. No thanks.[/quote]


explain how chad is an idiot and brings drama.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;407814]As of right now, the Lions are asking for at least a #2 pick for RW, allegedly. Pats got Moss for a 4th[/QUOTE]

That would be a bargain for someone like Roy Williams considering he still fairly young. If we spent a 2nd rounder on the draft for a WR we wouldn't get the experience and talent proven by RW. Moss was cheap because he didn't produce in Oakland and the baggage he carried.

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I would love to have Chad on the Redskins. Think of it...Chad running down the field, even in covered he still has alost a foot on every other defender in the NFL, and Jason sees him, TD Redskins. We NEED a receiver Jason can consistently throw too down the feild. It will give Jason the much needed confidence he needs and open up the running game because the opponents safeties are forced to cover down the feild. I say go after him.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;408608]explain how chad is an idiot and brings drama.[/quote]

This is the perception that caused Johnson to shun the Cincy media this season. He's a character, and seems generally likable, but you get some shots of him and Carson Palmer going at it on the sidelines, or him talking about his next touchdown celebration, and he is viewed as a locker room cancer. Let's be clear, Chad isn't Pac Man Jones, he's never destroyed a locker room or alienated a QB like T.O. or Randy Moss, he's never been sent packing a la Keyshawn in Tampa. He's outspoken, that's what he is, that is his game. I wouldn't have a problem with him in D.C. if there weren't the issues of draft pick and monetary compensation.

The bigger issue it seems to me, and I bring this up anecdotally without having examined all the statistics or pouring over game tape, is that Johnson is more of a deep threat who is sporadic in his production (as deep threats tend to be) and who is not a guy who consistently moves the chains and he doesn't (I don't think, could be wrong here) score a lot of touchdowns in the red zone. Certainly he is a bit bigger than Santana, but is his game really all that different? Wouldn't the Redskins be better served by someone like (and again you'd have to think about the issues of compensation) Roy Williams or Larry Fitzgerald if either came available?

As someone said above, if Hue Jackson does end up as OC then I could see the possibility of Johnson landing in D.C., for good or ill, go up.

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Do we have any cap room to afford Chad??

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[url=http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/AB/20080116/SPT02/301160034/]The Enquirer - Zimmer: I'm tough[/url]



Lewis rejects Chad trade talk.