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[QUOTE=ArtMonkDrillz;411283]Here's another thing:

JLC is reporting that the Skins may try to go with Fassel as HC and Rex Ryan as DC. Just for a minute, let's pretend that this happens because it shows why the people down at the Senior Bowl are having a harder time doing their job since everything is in limbo.
Rex Ryan runs a variation of the 3-4, and he would probably want to keep it that way if he came here. We don't really have the pieces to run that D right now so we'd have to bring in FAs and draft guys to fit it.
Wouldn't it stand to reason that the style of D the Redskins want to run next year will determine the types of college players that we look to draft?

Maybe this is a big part of the reason the guys down in Alabama are so upset.[/QUOTE]

They're upset b/c Post article is front page headlines Fassel lead candidate. That's their asses and many core players along with them most likely.

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[QUOTE=QBall;411287]They're upset b/c Post article is front page headlines Fassel lead candidate. That's their asses and many core players along with them most likely.[/QUOTE]

What "core players" are going to be cut if Fassel/Ryan come aboard? Campbell, Portis, Moss, Cooley, Samuels, Landry, Carter, Fletcher, Washington, Smoot, Rogers, McIntosh, Rabach, Sellers, Thomas?? Any of those "core players" going anywhere?

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[QUOTE=Paintrain;411290]What "core players" are going to be cut if Fassel/Ryan come aboard? Campbell, Portis, Moss, Cooley, Samuels, Landry, Carter, Fletcher, Washington, Smoot, Rogers, McIntosh, Rabach, Sellers, Thomas?? Any of those "core players" going anywhere?[/QUOTE]

Yes, most likely a few of these guys are out. Who knows with new coaches what will happen. Totally differenct philosophy man.

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;411275]I've heard on countless news/sports outlets that Joe is endorsing GW being his replacement.[/quote]

It is privately. I just read an article that said that. Gibbs would never say it publically.

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This is really getting fun and most of it is based on rumors.

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[quote=Paintrain;411290]What "core players" are going to be cut if Fassel/Ryan come aboard? Campbell, Portis, Moss, Cooley, Samuels, Landry, Carter, Fletcher, Washington, Smoot, Rogers, McIntosh, Rabach, Sellers, Thomas?? Any of those "core players" going anywhere?[/quote]

there's a pretty good perspective article on this on CNNSI.com
[url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/ross_tucker/01/22/falcons.dolphins/index.html]SI.com - Writers - Ross Tucker: Coaching changes tough for players, too - Wednesday January 23, 2008 11:38AM[/url]

Its written by Ross Tucker...one time Redskin, and it has good insight into how this kind of change affects players even if they aren't let go

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[quote=hooskins;411292]It is privately. I just read an article that said that. Gibbs would never say it publically.[/quote]
Well that's a ringing endorsement of the coach he likes so much.

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[quote=Schneed10;411276]To me, I'm not bothered by the assistants feeling "upset". What I'm bothered by is that coaches around the league are rumored to be thinking we're a laughingstock. Doesn't that tell you something?

Of course, other coaches are not in the know when it comes to interviews between Danny and GW. Maybe Danny thinks it won't work with GW. But it's never good when coaches around the league think you're a joke.[/quote]
Ditto. Gibbs brought instant respectability to the franchise and no matter what went on behind the scenes the impression was Gibbs was in charge. Right now if this article is accurate, the perception from people in the NFL is that the franchise is back in disarray. Not exactly a good way to attract or retain the best coaches and free agent players.

The sky is not falling...yet. But Snyder needs to make a move within the next day or two and not let this drag on or this perception will take hold and in many peoples minds around the NFL be a reality.

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[quote=AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace;411294]there's a pretty good perspective article on this on CNNSI.com
[URL="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/ross_tucker/01/22/falcons.dolphins/index.html"]SI.com - Writers - Ross Tucker: Coaching changes tough for players, too - Wednesday January 23, 2008 11:38AM[/URL]

Its written by Ross Tucker...one time Redskin, and it has good insight into how this kind of change affects players even if they aren't let go[/quote]

Come on, thats the perspective of players on 2 of the worse teams in the NFL. Thats not the case here yes some players will go but I'm sure who ever comes here is not cleaning house and with our cap they couldn't if they wanted to.

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The process to hire a new coach is intended to be thoughtful and deliberate.

I happen to think the Redskin assistant coaches are great! I am much more reserved about Cerrato. Someone has to take responsibility for the woeful use of draft choices over the past several years. Isn't it him?

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;411272]I'd be amazed to see that happen for most companies. I really doubt many people have that kind of loyalty to their jobs. If they know they are probably going to get fired they are so busy looking for a new job that they push everything else aside.
Most of the time, the only reason why a person who knows layoffs are looming works their ass off is because they're hoping to somehow get spared.

And Yes, people do take that kind of shit personally.[/quote]

I understand where you are coming from and I realize it is fucked up when your job is on the line like this. Don't get me wrong, I do sympathize, but at the same time this is what comes with working in the NFL. Also the 3-4 change is a good point.
[B]
My main point is I do not think this issue is a Redskins-exclusive problem. [/B] Of course we want to think about it that way, because it is easy to blame Danny and VC. Imagine teams that fire their coach midseason, etc? The head coaching job is very turbulent in the NFL, and this is what comes with the waters.

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[quote=Schneed10;411276]To me, I'm not bothered by the assistants feeling "upset". What I'm bothered by is that coaches around the league are rumored to be thinking we're a laughingstock. Doesn't that tell you something?

Of course, other coaches are not in the know when it comes to interviews between Danny and GW. Maybe Danny thinks it won't work with GW. But it's never good when coaches around the league think you're a joke.[/quote]I'd like to know which scouts are doing the "laughing". The ones who recommended taking JaMarcus Russell with the first pick last year? Or the ones who thought Jammal Anderson was a top ten prospect?

Way to budget your time well, guys.

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[quote=hooskins;411265]People in other jobs have to work their asses off when there are imminent layoffs. Do they complain, and get "hurt"? No they continue to work their asses off, and if they get fired it sucks but that is the REAL WORLD....[/quote]
In the real world when layoffs are imminent the folks that are talented don't continue to work their asses off, they find greener pastures and bail. Those that stick around usually do so because they aren't in demand and don't have other options.

I'm not saying that the new coach will not be solid, or that the players will all be looking to get out of dodge, but if the outside perception of your company / NFL franchise is that it is managed poorly that is a huge negative in attracting talented people.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;411305]I'd like to know which scouts are doing the "laughing". The ones who recommended taking JaMarcus Russell with the first pick last year? Or the ones who thought Jammal Anderson was a top ten prospect?

Way to budget your time well, guys.[/QUOTE]

Probably the ones not in danger of getting fired. ;)

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;411305]I'd like to know which scouts are doing the "laughing". The ones who recommended taking JaMarcus Russell with the first pick last year? Or the ones who thought Jammal Anderson was a top ten prospect?

Way to budget your time well, guys.[/QUOTE]

Game. Set. Match.

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[quote=GMScud;411214]According to JLC's latest post on Insider, the Redskins assistants in Mobile for the Senior Bowl are getting ragged on by other team's coaches. Calling the Skins approach a "laughingstock." Great. Apparently our coaches are "up in arms," and distraught over this process and the lack of communication from the team. Anyone else think it's pretty lame that our front office hasn't even given our assistants the courtesy of a phone call during this head coach search? I know "freak out" threads are frowned upon, and that's not the intention here. But I'm pretty upset with the way we're treating our staff.

Clipped this from the post:
[SIZE=4][FONT=Times New Roman,times,serif][SIZE=3]Players and coaches are distraught over the poorly worded press release regarding Cerrato's promotion and Jim Fassel's emergence as a candidate with multiple interviews. They are taking a lot of grief from other team''s people down there and, according to some league sources, the word "laughingstock" is being thrown around in regards to how the team is operating. [/SIZE][/FONT]
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[SIZE=2][FONT=Times New Roman,times,serif][URL="http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/"]Redskins Insider[/URL][/FONT][/SIZE]
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Which coaches are down there? Does anybody know? Or is it scouts?

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[quote=Mattyk72;411223]The fact is Snyder can't win no matter what he does.[/quote]

Perhaps, but he's his own worst enemy.

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[quote=Mattyk72;411223]The fact is Snyder can't win no matter what he does.[/quote]

That is a true statement.

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Matty:

Agree Danny Boy is in a tough spot here - even though it is mostly of his own making. But talking to the coaches might do something if the conversation had something to do with their future with the team. Are Skins' coaches at the Senior Bowl looking for talent or are they there looking for jobs for themselves? In times of uncertainty, it would be natural for them to be doing both - - and that means they won't be doing the talent-search function as best they can.

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Snyder is keeping things as hush-hush as possible. And that seems to apply across the board, coaches included. As least he's consistent.

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[quote=#56fanatic;411255]I dont know if GW is screwing things up, no one really knows that. I am going by what the NFL people are saying. which I think the majority of us are going by. The fact the players are wanting GW for continuity, familiarity, schematically should say something. Gibbs has endorsed GW for the next coach. again, this is hearsay, but a lot of NFL execs are questioning why he hasn't been named coach. Some feel that GW and Ceratto dont see eye to eye, so maybe thats it. But when the whole team, coaches, and hall of famer Gibbs feels this would be the best hire for the organization it is kind of hard not to feel it would be a mistake. I think a lot of us here want GW as the head coach. Me personally, am tired of taking 1 step forward, and two steps back. We did that after the 99 playoff season, then after the 2005 playoff season and i believe we would be taking a step back after this seasons playoff run by hiring someone from outside the organization.[/quote]

What are the "NFL people" saying?? I haven't heard anything concrete from either side as to what side is more to blame, yet there are tons of wild rumors and speculation all over the place, and based on what? Nothing. Yet everyone wants to pile on Snyder and assume he's to blame.

I'm just saying let's not be so quick to brush aside the thought that perhaps GW has some blame in this.

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[quote=firstdown;411280]Yours is based on unknown sources. If Gibbs really want GW as the next coach and feels that strong then why wouldn't he say so in public and if Snyder worshiped him like everyone says then why would DS not just hire GW.[/quote]


are you kidding? I just supplied the same example as you. I gave you a quote from the washington post, JLC who has been pretty accurate. I provided additional information to the post "saying GW and Vinny are very close, and the addtional meetings were to see if GW and Vinny could work together. Danny is not going to get rid of Vinny - if that means not hiring the right guy for the job, then that is exactly what danny will do.

you people kill me, you always ask for links or articles, I provided the article saying privately endorsing GW, and for some reason you think its not good enough. When has Joe ever done anything in the media?? never. Why do you think he would come out and say it on this subject. He isn't going to do that because then it puts Danny on the spot. And that is just not Joe Gibbs.

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[quote=firstdown;411285]Pleas give us these sources and not a source that has a source that has a source etc... Its funny all these writers keep throwing out all these ideas of what is going on and once in a while get something right and they seem to forget all the things they miss on.[/quote]

Comcast Reporters, CHANNEL 35. Also in the post and times.

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[quote=Mattyk72;411476]Snyder is keeping things as hush-hush as possible. And that seems to apply across the board, coaches included. As least he's consistent.[/quote]


Yea, he's keeping it very quite. To me that implies, all or most all of the coachs need to be looking for work. Because the NEW HC won't be GW. Get ready for the FOSSIL & whoever he brings in with him.

If GW was getting the job he would have it NOW IMO. I hope I'm wrong, just have a bad feeling that the club is regressing back to the same ole shit!

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who cares if we are called a laughingstock, how gay.... i love what snyder is doing right now.. we had gibbs and williams for four years and it got us to the playoffs twice and both times we could have easily missed those. i like the fact we can rebuild the coaching staff and keep our core players. i want continuity as well, but a change is a risk that could put us over the edge. i dont in particular like saunders as our OC and i have always liked fassel. Zorn and Fassel could help Campbell out more than what saunders has been doing... (protecting) campbell. i think snyder is wanting to help campbell out with these moves... fassel and zorn our great qb groomers and rex ryan is a great DC. i love williams and want him to stay, but i dont see it happening if fassel gets the HC position, so i would love to take rex ryan.

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This is ridiculous. When the assistant coaches are getting worked up over coaches, they have to grow some.

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GW, to his credit, wanted to fire Vinny (Danny's fluffer) and replace him with a real GM -- someone who actually knows about football, who understands how the salary cap works, and who would give GW a chance win. Floyd Reese -- GW's friend from his Tennessee days -- would've fit the bill quite nicely.

Of course, then, who would provide Danny with, uh, favors?

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[quote=Football Man;411548]GW, to his credit, wanted to fire Vinny (Danny's fluffer) and replace him with a real GM -- someone who actually knows about football, who understands how the salary cap works, and who would give GW a chance win. Floyd Reese -- GW's friend from his Tennessee days -- would've fit the bill quite nicely.

Of course, then, who would provide Danny with, uh, favors?[/quote]

Funny how Danny will turn any position into a carousel, be it players or coaches, but he won't even entertain the idea of replacing his racquet ball buddy. Can someone please explain what's so great about Vinny?

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They should be glad to look at the talent for there next job with pay!

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;411223]The fact is Snyder can't win no matter what he does.[/QUOTE]

I think this would be easier for us to take if Snyder had a better track record. There is something to be said for going in the opposite direction of the obvious, as the Steelers proved this last year. But the fact remains that Snyder's tenure has been largely disastrous and he hasn't earned the right to make this kind of counter-intuitive move while escaping severe scrutiny. If Fassel works out and is great then we'll all say, wow, Snyder went with his gut and it was the right move. But until then, and especially given how out of leftfield this move is, Snyder is going to get killed and deservedly so.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;411223]The fact is Snyder can't win no matter what he does.[/QUOTE]

The "fact" is -- as an owner, he has an overall record of 50-62 as the prime decision maker.

Your statement is more accurate than you know.

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[QUOTE=firstdown;411236]That article is pretty stupid if you ask me. Are we not talking about a bunch of grown men and not a group of 7th graders. So what other coaches are pointing at Redskin coaches while covering their mouths and laughing. Sounds like the reporters are tired of having nothing to report. So I guess the owner should call them every ten minutes and up date them so they can be named as the unidinified sorce for their information.[/QUOTE]

I think we're missing the point here -- the problem isn't with coaches who are 'acting like 7th graders'. The sad fact is that among people throughout the league who know far more than any of us, this organization is still perceived as a laughingstock.

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You know we were laughing at how bad the cowboys were the last few years and they couldn't win a playoff game. You know imitation is the most sincere form of flattery. There is no reason that the redskins couldn't emulate a model like the eagles or the patriots have. There is no reason that they couldn't do that, but yet they have this incredible ego that is really taking this franchise in the wrong direction. I am tired of losing and tired of hearing about how we are the doormats of the NFC East. I am also tired of being the cash register for Dan Snyder. We keep buying his products, hats, jerseys, shirts and the like and what has it gotten us? Yes, we made the playoffs 2/4 years that Gibbs was here. We could have continued our progress, but instead we are more than likely going to hire a guy who hasn't been a head coach in four years and he was fired from his last post to worst offense in the league! Prior to that our last playoff appearance was in 1999. So three appearances in the playoffs in the last 16 years. That is just great. We have spent so much money and it has gotten us squat. It makes me sad, because I saw how this once proud franchise used to dominate and be involved in the conversation of winning a championship and now we are looked at for off season drama. Everyone wants to know who the new coach is, or who the new free agents we have, or how many draft picks we traded away to get some player. I am tired of hearing that Dan Snyder wants to win. If he wants to win, he needs to look at other successful teams and emulate what they do instead of trying to be like Jerry Jones and being meddlesome. The only reason that Jerry Jones was successful was because of Jimmy Johnson period. Hire Ron Wolf, Mr. Snyder! Get out of the way and let him hire the coach. You write the checks and cash all the windfall profits once the team starts to win.