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[QUOTE=AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace;413003]I thought I was the only one who used the term "asshat" hahah![/QUOTE]

That was my old bosses nickname who wore a bad wig!!

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Classy is as Classy does. I can say I'm not for all the changes being made but bringing in new blood might(no gaurantee) help us play all 4 quarters on defense. I also have not liked that fact that GW defense is backwards. His system is more about the CB/LB then it is about the DE/DT. I'm not saying his system does not work just my feelings. I have always liked the defenses that have gotten a strong rush from the line forcing bad throws causing interceptions.

I say Classy is as Classy does because if I'm not mistaken doesn't GW treat some of his players that way. In less those players were dumber then a box of rocks and didn't get it when he called them in then his treatment of players being benched without one word as to why( even we knew it was their pour play) or when they might see the field again. I wonder now if Arrington was not serious when he stated he would be back in 08. lol.
I know I'm sorta bashing but I did like GW. I liked AS also but for the life of me I couldn't figure out why this high flying offense never took here. We may never know. I will be a pisser if he goes back to the Rams and the team scores a lot and makes the play offs.

I'm not someone who usually likes change. We knew what we had here. I will be interested in seeing the team that is put together. If it is Fassell then as long as he allows the OC to do his job and the DC to do his job and not screw with their system then hopefully we have a high priced motivational speaker(figure head). If I'm not mistaken I belive the players in NY didn't want Fassell to leave either so he must be personable with the players.

We are what we are. Very similar to the Raiders right now and if DS keeps following the path he has traveled since he has purchased the team then no coach will want to interview or be coach here. If all I kept seeing was a revolving door and no in house promotions or true commitment towards the coaches in house then why would I want to climb aboard just to get knocked off? I would bide my time and take a look at another team. If the smear campaign is their next cooked up plan to explain all this then I feel sorry for them. I don't have a problem with all the secret squarl stuff. I would want to get my ducks in a row before I made any announcments also. Then I'd have only one instead of one for my HC and one for my OC and then another for my DC. I also doubt any OC or DC would allow themselves to get hired with out knowing who they would be working for. I would want to know so I would know if I could get a long with them. You don't take a job not knowing. You take the job and the team gets a coach you can't stand or don't like then what...you have a change of heart. No. The coach has been picked. The secret squarl stuff is for DS to have one meeting with the press. The big question is can we get a decent DC now. The smear campaign will only make DS look bad at this point. Fans have grown attached to GW and any campaign will make DS look bad at this point and discourage other DC from wanting to come here.

Sorry so long.

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Is Al Davis running our FO? Man if this is true, we are as bad as the Raiders, maybe worse.

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While I don't think Snyder should bow to pressure from outside influences, part of me wishes he would go ahead and make a decision on someone.

Rip it off quick like a band-aid!

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JLC just updated the title to his blog..."Expect Williams to Withdraw Saturday"

I wish that were followed by "Expect Snyder to give up ownership"

...If this is true or not...I've never been more embarrassed to be a fan...I wish 2007 never happened for the skins

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Right now it's no longer a band aid. Its duck tape.

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[QUOTE=AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace;413042]JLC just updated the title to his blog..."Expect Williams to Withdraw Saturday"

I wish that were followed by "Expect Snyder to give up ownership"

...If this is true or not...I've never been more embarrassed to be a fan...I wish 2007 never happened for the skins[/QUOTE]

I wonder if we as fans can sue a team owner for mis-management and embarrassing a franchise and city?

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[quote=SBXVII;413043]Right now it's no longer a band aid. Its duck tape.[/quote]

Does that mean we're gonna lose hair and flesh?

This is gonna be painful. :Smoker:

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I see this being bad as far as players restructuring

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[QUOTE=SBXVII;413032]Sorry so long.[/QUOTE]

No worries, that was a great post. I would of loved to see Gregg Williams/Al Saunders get a shot to continue the late season push. I have to say this post was well thought out and was a great read. HTTR.

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[quote=AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace;413050]I see this being bad as far as players restructuring[/quote]

That's an excellent point. Most players, especially key players, felt loyal to the Redskins during Gibbs tenure. I'm sure that made it much easier for the FO to convince them to restructure. We're $23M over the cap as is, and now we're blowing up the whole staff and starting over. Some players are bound to be disappointed with the organization.

This is a bummer. Not because I don't think Fassel/Meeks/Spagnuolo will eventually have success here. I think all 3 are very capable. But the team is headed for some changes roster-wise, and I really like so many of our players. It's gonna suck to see guys go.

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[QUOTE=Lady Brave;413006]Ok. So let me ask you this. If the report is true, do you think Snyder would use Williams' differing philosophy and spin it, I guess, in his mind as an affront to Gibbs? Thereby making it easier for him to justify his decision not to hire Williams, so as to avoid what he perceives as inevitable personality conflicts with him and Cerrato?

If people believe that Williams was basically dissing Gibbs, most fans would become somewhat sympathetic to Snyder and be much more accepting of his decision to hire another coach.[/QUOTE]

Snyder no. But there are others in Redskins Park that I no doubt would try to spin it. There are some petty people there, but it's not the people everyone thinks.

Thing is, Williams and Gibbs are definitely different. Never was it more apparent than during the Archuleta incident. Wasn't it Arch who was saying Williams never spoke to him, while Gibbs tried encouraging him?

But this isn't, shouldn't be, a total surprise. We've all know this for the last four years.

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[QUOTE=GMScud;413057]That's an excellent point. Most players, especially key players, felt loyal to the Redskins during Gibbs tenure. I'm sure that made it much easier for the FO to convince them to restructure. We're $23M over the cap as is, and now we're blowing up the whole staff and starting over. Some players are bound to be disappointed with the organization.

This is a bummer. Not because I don't think Fassel/Meeks/Spagnuolo will eventually have success here. I think all 3 are very capable. But the team is headed for some changes roster-wise, and I really like so many of our players. It's gonna suck to see guys go.[/QUOTE]

I wonder who, other than Springs, could be going that we really, truly are going to miss?

I'm gonna miss Springs, but as soon as Gibbs left I had a feeling he wasn't coming back.

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We keep hearing about all these players that did not want change. Keep the status quo. I have been wondering how many players that actually was. The same 3 or 4 that work out every day at the park. lol. I wonder how many kept thinking...man we are not picking up this offense or certain individuals were not getting it and players internally were thinking....somethings gotta give we are not getting it done.

Similar to the fans. Some were mad at the offense because it seemed to sputter or die after half time or it simply couldn't score. Other fans were upset at the defense because it fizzled out in the 4th quarter all the time. Some wanted JC some wanted TC at QB. Some wished Gibbs would retire again. You have to be honest. There were problems across the board and a little blame should go everywhere. The owner is tired of all the excuses and has decided to rebuild. I love Gibbs. I remember Gibbs1. The only thing I hated about Gibbs1 was all his games he played close. If we played a team that was mediocre we played at their level. If we played a team destined for the playoffs we played at their level. I knew Gibb2 would be exciting which we have not had in a long time. Especially with Spurrier. I'm ready for the Skins to blow people out of the water like the Patriots. I'm tired of being middle of the pack, almost there, squeak into the playoffs. I want to be what Dallas was this year. I want to dominate or be one of the dominating teams. I'll be honest....I don't think we were as close as a lot of us really think we were. If there are major changes to be made then lets make them, notify the fan base and lets move on. All this crap has us at each others throats calling each other names about info that may or may not be true. Well maybe not calling each other names but clearly being rude to each other. I hope Sat when they make the press release if they are they decide to announce the HC also so we can get over our grieving. lol. Then we can start talking about how this team might look and bad mouth each other about who they think should be drafted. lol.

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[QUOTE=SBXVII;413062]We keep hearing about all these players that did not want change. Keep the status quo. I have been wondering how many players that actually was. The same 3 or 4 that work out every day at the park. lol. I wonder how many kept thinking...man we are not picking up this offense or certain individuals were not getting it and players internally were thinking....somethings gotta give we are not getting it done.

Similar to the fans. Some were mad at the offense because it seemed to sputter or die after half time or it simply couldn't score. Other fans were upset at the defense because it fizzled out in the 4th quarter all the time. Some wanted JC some wanted TC at QB. Some wished Gibbs would retire again. You have to be honest. There were problems across the board and a little blame should go everywhere. The owner is tired of all the excuses and has decided to rebuild. I love Gibbs. I remember Gibbs1. The only thing I hated about Gibbs1 was all his games he played close. If we played a team that was mediocre we played at their level. If we played a team destined for the playoffs we played at their level. I knew Gibb2 would be exciting which we have not had in a long time. Especially with Spurrier. I'm ready for the Skins to blow people out of the water like the Patriots. I'm tired of being middle of the pack, almost there, squeak into the playoffs. I want to be what Dallas was this year. I want to dominate or be one of the dominating teams. I'll be honest....I don't think we were as close as a lot of us really think we were. If there are major changes to be made then lets make them, notify the fan base and lets move on. All this crap has us at each others throats calling each other names about info that may or may not be true. Well maybe not calling each other names but clearly being rude to each other. I hope Sat when they make the press release if they are they decide to announce the HC also so we can get over our grieving. lol. Then we can start talking about how this team might look and bad mouth each other about who they think should be drafted. lol.[/QUOTE]

Another Great Post. I think the Skins were close and I wanted to see Saunders offense without Gibbs next season. I also would of loved to see Gregg take over the head coaching reigns. I thought with a couple moves that the Skins could of been contenders in the NFC next season. This can still happen but im really nervous to see the future of this team now that there is no more Gibbs and alot more of Snyder/Cerrato in the front office. Only time will tell but I got to say after only reading 2 of your posts I love the energy you bring to your posts and how you really want a winner in the Nations Capital. HTTR.

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[quote=SmootSmack;413061]I wonder who, other than Springs, could be going that we really, truly are going to miss?

I'm gonna miss Springs, but as soon as Gibbs left I had a feeling he wasn't coming back.[/quote]

It was an emotional season for players and fans alike. I was only 13 when we won our last Super Bowl. So for me personally, I can't remember liking a Redskins team more than this one. Seeing any real contributors to this year's squad leave is gonna be a bummer IMO. As far as players leaving that we'll really miss on the field, I suppose that Springs is the only heavy loss, especially with the way he played down the stretch.

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Another thought on the smear campaign. Last we heard Gibbs had flown down to NC to be with his family and was working with his racing team again. Did DS call Gibbs back just to tell the staff that it could take weeks before they hear something? and then the next day DS plan hits the media? I guess I'm missing something here...why say anything and simply allow the info to come out today. Why make Gibbs look like a fool sending him to tell the staff it might be a few more weeks when it was only a day? Why not have him say hey guys we will all know in a day or two. Is the plan also to make Gibbs look senile so the fans will say " oh, ok, yea I guess it was a good idea to rebuild the whole head coaching staff because Gibbs must be senile and GW was talking trash about a good coach and DS would have none of that."

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I'm surprised anybody is surprised. Williams was not getting the job.

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[quote=SBXVII;413069]Another thought on the smear campaign. Last we heard Gibbs had flown down to NC to be with his family and was working with his racing team again. Did DS call Gibbs back just to tell the staff that it could take weeks before they hear something? and then the next day DS plan hits the media? I guess I'm missing something here...why say anything and simply allow the info to come out today. Why make Gibbs look like a fool sending him to tell the staff it might be a few more weeks when it was only a day? Why not have him say hey guys we will all know in a day or two. Is the plan also to make Gibbs look senile so the fans will say " oh, ok, yea I guess it was a good idea to rebuild the whole head coaching staff because Gibbs must be senile and GW was talking trash about a good coach and DS would have none of that."[/quote]

I thought the smear campaign theory came from someone close to GW and involved the Skins smearing him, not Gibbs.

I highly doubt Snyder would try to smear Gibbs in any way. I also doubt Williams said anything negative about him as a person. But we all know Williams was frustrated at times this season with Saunders and the offense. He may have commented that he didn't like the way Gibbs handcuffed Al at times. Who knows...

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SMEAR Campaign = Vinny Cerrato

Don't trust him, never have

Gregg don't withdraw!!!!!

Keep the fight Redskins fans

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My apologies, I thought DS was going to leak info about what GW had said about Gibbs and turn it into a smear campaign against GW so the fans would be willing to accept that he did not want GW.

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I do feel sorry for GW though. At this point I would not accept the job and simply check out Jacksonville. Who know I thought that HC was nearing his end also maybe they will fire him next year and give the job to GW if he does well.

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The reality is we are all left in the dark. I, for one, am tired of checking to see what the latest scoop is. I don't like the way this is being handled and I don't think the players or coaches are being treated fairly either. I want a winning franchise but I want one I can be proud of. Not one that lacks class. I will forever be a Redskins fan and I have always supported Snyder but he is truly testing my patience this time, I think we have been through too much this past season and we deserve a smoother process than what we are getting.

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[quote=shzaskinsfn;413075]The reality is we are all left in the dark. I, for one, am tired of checking to see what the latest scoop is. I don't like the way this is being handled and I don't think the players or coaches are being treated fairly either. I want a winning franchise but I want one I can be proud of. Not one that lacks class. I will forever be a Redskins fan and I have always supported Snyder but he is truly testing my patience this time, I think we have been through too much this past season and we deserve a smoother process than what we are getting.[/quote]

You said a mouthful. Hit the nail right on the head. Couldn't have said it better myself. I agree completely. Welcome to the board.

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Fassal and Zorn are fine and all but who the hell is going to be our D-Coordinator?

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I posted this in extremeskins, but I just need to vent and get this off my chest:

I grew up like many of you, watching the Redskins teams of the 80's. Those teams had character, they were like a family. Jack Kent Cooke was a great owner. He hired Bobby Beathard to make football decisions and he provided the financial support. Joe Gibbs was the coach with much of the same staff for a dozen or so years.

Joe Gibbs brought this type of climate back to the Skins. Especially during this past season, players truly bought in. Something special happened to this team after going through the horrible tragedy of losing Sean. Joe stabilized what had been a disaster during the many coaching and personnel changes that marked the Snyder years. We could all see that this organization was headed in the right direction.

I am sickened by what has occurred since Gibbs announced his retirement. Daniel Snyder is certainly no Jack Kent Cooke. He doesn't know football, he doesn't know people, and he doesn't know his limitations. I was hoping that he had learned from Gibbs over the past four years, as he said he had during Joe's retirement press conference. Apparently, he has learned nothing about how to build and maintain a winning program. Take a quick look at the successful teams in the league and you see a common thread, stability of players and stablility of coaching and philosophy. He also has learned nothing about being decent to people.

If the reports are accurate, that Snyder is not hiring Gregg Williams because of the 10 men on the field for the first play after Sean's death, then I can have no more hope for my team. I cannot believe that Gregg Williams would put Joe Gibbs down. Snyder appears to be creating excuses, and poor ones at that, so he doesn't have to hire Gregg.

Dan Snyder is quickly destroying all that Joe Gibbs had built up in four years. He is destroying the feeling that we fans had as we watched this team fight its way into the playoffs. He is destroying the sense of being a real "team" that these players have experienced under Joe Gibbs.

Thank you, Joe, for being here for the last four years. I got to enjoy being a fan of a team with coaches and players that I was proud of. Thank you for giving us all a feeling that we had long forgotten in years past.

I am afraid that we are going back to the dark days of the pre-Gibbs Snyder era with no end in sight.

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[QUOTE=SBXVII;413074]I do feel sorry for GW though. At this point I would not accept the job and simply check out Jacksonville. Who know I thought that HC was nearing his end also maybe they will fire him next year and give the job to GW if he does well.[/QUOTE]

Jack Del Rio is one of the best coaches in football. I dont see him being fired next year or 3 years from now at that. That said Gregg Williams should go to Jacksonville. I think he can give that defense alot of leadership and really put the Jags over the top next season.

[QUOTE=Dirtbag359;413077]Fassal and Zorn are fine and all but who the hell is going to be our D-Coordinator?[/QUOTE]

Since the Ravens messed us over on Rex Ryan I think the Skins might go in a different direction. Dont be shocked if Rex Ryan is our next head coach with Zorn controlling the offense. This would not shock me and with Dan Snyders track record of getting what he wants he might forget about Fassel and promote Ryan from the Ravens. This is a longshot but im starting to think this might happen. This is all just really a guess right now though.

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Let me first apologize for any hard feelings I might cause on the part of SBXVII, because he does strike me as a rational and devoted Skins fan and I think for the most part he makes very good points. That being said, to say that the Skins under Gibbs 1.0 played down to the level of their competition is absurd. As evidence I point to the '91 Skins' first 3 home games: Skins 45 - Lions 0; Skins 34 - Cardinals 0; Skins 23 - Iggles 0. The only 2 losses that year were the admittedly horrendous home loss to the Cowgirls that dropped the Skins to 11-1 and the last game of the season at the Vet that didn't matter.

That era of the NFL was geared toward domination, witness the 49ers and Skins of the '80s and the Cowgirls of the '90's. Now the NFL is designed for parity. The Patriots are the one exception, and this year they caught lightening in a bottle: Moss was acquired on the cheap because he basically tanked it as a Raider and the Dolphins were morons in giving Welker (please note that the Fish went 1-15 this year as further proof of their idiocy). Basically, in the NFL today, if you do not have a dominant QB and a great front office, i.e., the Colts and the Patriots, you are confined to being mediocre to good each and every year. That is the way the system is designed to work.

In light of the way the current NFL is designed, and does work, 2 playoff appearances in 3 years is doing very well. Let me remind every one that prior to Gibbs 2.0, the Skins had made the playoffs once since Gibbs 1.0 and that was in a year when Snyder had just purchased the team (May '99) and had not had the time to put his imprint on it. After the 1999 season, the Skins had failed to make the playoffs in any year that Snyder owned the team prior to Gibbs 2.0.

My point in all of this is simple. Snyder was given, in my opinion, one of the easiest head coaching decisions of all time: Hire Gregg Williams and continue the continuity that was built in the last 4 years. As someone smarter than me once said: "Those who cannot remember the past are doomed to repeat it." As I see it, the Skins are just going back to what they had done under Snyder prior to Gibbs returning.

What was so wrong with hiring Williams? If things did not work out, and the last 4 games of this year were a fluke, they could have moved on after 1 year under Williams, made a move for Cowher and blown the whole thing up. Instead, the Skins have hired an OC without a head coach and made themselves once again the laughingstock of the entire league. Someone previously suggested that Snyder had an ace up his sleeve in trying to hire Belichick. I hope, but seriously doubt, that they are right.

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What's terrible is how Snyder goes about interacting with people in the NFL ranks. The guy is despicable when it comes to managing team personel. Remember that time he made Norv wait outside his office for hours after a big loss and Norv just ended up going home because it took so long?

That kind of shit catches up with you. These slimeball tactics, like citing hearsay that Gregg Williams said something bad about Gibbs knowing that can't possibly be verified, are a complete abomination!

Snyder can't be a man when it comes to the team personel, i.e. Gibbs calling coaches and assistants. His sole merit is being able to throw wads of cash at people to get them to like him. Fuck him! Having balls and having to buy them are completely different.

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I feel bad for GW. I don't trust VC and DS one bit. I don't trust what they say and i don't trust them to make good decisions for our once proud franchise.

I'm really down and embarrassed by the Redskins right now. I'll be a lifelong fan that doesn't mean I have to like our FO right now.

Even though i support GW as our new coach, ownership could have hired someone else if they thought it was a better hire and I couldn't be too upset about it. However, the way they've handled is not professional.

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Forgot to mention, if anything GW is honest. He's very self assured and tells it like it is. I'll take GW's side on this.

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The irony is that this couldn't happen in a better place: Washington DC. The home of back-room deal-making and smear campaigns.;)

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In two shorts weeks, DS and his evil minion Vinny, have destroyed that which carried the team the last third of the season. Team unity and chemistry born from Sean's death, is gone. Now we're hearing terms like "smear campaign." This coaching "search" is under the direct guidance and responsibility of Snyder. He, and he alone, stands to bear the blame as the Washington Redskins, once again, become a laughingstock. Under Gibbs, the team regained credibility and a solid aire of professionalism. With the checks and balance system now gone, Snyder has dismantled all that was built in the previous four years.

An amazing gift really. We're becoming the Raiders-East. Has anyone seen Al Davis and Danny Boy together at the same time? Maybe they ARE the same person.

Please Gregg, hang in there! For the team, for the fans, for the memory of Sean...

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[QUOTE=Skins_FanFL;413108]In two shorts weeks, DS and his evil minion Vinny, have destroyed that which carried the team the last third of the season. Team unity and chemistry born from Sean's death, is gone. Now we're hearing terms like "smear campaign." This coaching "search" is under the direct guidance and responsibility of Snyder. He, and he alone, stands to bear the blame as the Washington Redskins, once again, become a laughingstock. Under Gibbs, the team regained credibility and a solid aire of professionalism. With the checks and balance system now gone, Snyder has dismantled all that was built in the previous four years.

An amazing gift really. We're becoming the Raiders-East. Has anyone seen Al Davis and Danny Boy together at the same time? Maybe they ARE the same person.

[B]Please Gregg, hang in there! For the team, for the fans, for the memory of Sean...[/B][/QUOTE]

The thing is, you can't blame the guy for wanting out. As dysfunctional as it seems the FO is right now, I don't think a lot of people would touch the job with a 10 foot pole.

If all the speculation is true (and that is a bif IF) who is really still a candidate? Do you think the OC from NE is going to take a job where the boss hired an OC already? Or Spags is going to want to come riding into this mess after becoming a hot commodity this post-season? The list is getting shorter and shorter

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;413044]I wonder if we as fans can sue a team owner for mis-management and embarrassing a franchise and city?[/quote]

Nope. If that were true the entire city of Baltimore would have filed a class action against Peter Angelos a loooonnnnnggggg time ago.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan0201;413002][SIZE=1]SOMEONE start a [/SIZE]
posting to please FIRE CERRATO. I believe he is behind all of this with the promotion Dan Snyder recently gave him, he is going to screw our team over more. Damn it Snyder, what in the world are you doing to our team. Thank you for the distruction, you will not be forgiven this time. Thank you for not hiring the one man who continued our continuinty in Gregg Williams. Thank you for turning a memorable season into a firestorm aftermath. I have been so angry at you for what you have done to this organization. Class act reporting lies about Gregg Williams too, as if he would bad mouth Joe Gibbs, the man who endorsed him and he wanted to see succeed him. I sincerely hope these are all rumors for your sake. This is dispicable, and a complete deviated lie from what you told us at Gibbs resignation press conference saying that you were happy with the way that things were going and that you wanted to continue the consistency with the personal, coaches and scouts. You will not be trusted again, so you might as well relinguish your ownership rights to the team as we feel betrayed and lied to constantly by you and your minnions. Pathetic, simply pathetic that you would choose this route, as if you would want to hurt the players, coaches and fans. Congrats, you truly stink!!!!![/QUOTE]

Snyder firing Cerrato would be like Batman firing Robin -- it's not going to happen.

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[quote=Mattyk72;412996]I'm disappointed. Especially if this stuff about the Redskins creating a smear campaign against Williams is true. GW deserves better than that.[/quote]

I wonder how Sean Taylor's father feels about his son being a "forever Redskins" now. Snyder is taking every bit of class Joe Gibbs put back into this team and is stomping all over it..... Makes me want to vomit.

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If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

But what do we do when it's shattered?

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it seems like an awful lot of people are getting all worked up over nothing. there might be a reason why Williams hasn't been named head coach yet...

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;413004]I would be disappointed too, if this was true, but the article cites a "[B]a source close to Williams theorized..."[/B] It was probably his agent and he and GW are probably pissed that they heard about this in the media before it came direct from Redskins Park (shame on Snyder / Cerrato if that's the case. That's bad business and totally wrong).[/quote]

Yeah I think that's something to take note of. Honestly, at this point I'm really not sure what to believe.