Re: ESPN reports Mariucci is out of the running for the HC job in Washington.
 

On another board, I read that Adam Schefter of NFL Total Access said that Snyder called Mariucci today to tell him that the report about him being out of the running is untrue.

[url=http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=237072]EXTREMESKINS.com - Mooch IS still in consideration...[/url]

Re: ESPN reports Mariucci is out of the running for the HC job in Washington.
 

The original article in this thread was amended at some point today:

"Steve Mariucci has not been eliminated from contention, according to one of the people familiar with the process, but the former San Francisco 49ers and Detroit Lions coach has not been contacted for a follow-up interview after meeting with Snyder last week."

I will update the thread title

Re: (updated title) Mariucci Still Under Consideration, But No Follow Up Interview Ye
 

Now I'm sure it's just PR to get all the fans to say "Pick some one already!" and when he does we will all say "ABOUT TIME" instead of "Why him?" or "He sucks!" at the presser. lol.

Re: ESPN reports Mariucci is out of the running for the HC job in Washington.
 

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;418044]The original article in this thread was amended at some point today:

"Steve Mariucci has not been eliminated from contention, according to one of the people familiar with the process, but the former San Francisco 49ers and Detroit Lions coach has not been contacted for a follow-up interview after meeting with Snyder last week."

I will update the thread title[/QUOTE]

thank you... there's still faint hope **praying**

Re: (updated title) Mariucci Still Under Consideration, But No Follow Up Interview Ye
 

Well, this guy's out.... no wait... he's still in. Sorry, he's out... hold on... they're talking to someone else. Ok, the other guy is definately out... or maybe not.

Zzzzz.... Somebody wake me when we've selected a coach.

Re: (updated title) Mariucci Still Under Consideration, But No Follow Up Interview Ye
 

This is the WC tr[edit] NFL Coaching Tree Examples:
(The following graphics are offered only as EXAMPLES of coaching trees. It must be noted that each coach belongs to several different coaching trees as they work under many different coaches throughout their careers. These three trees attempt to show a relationship between each particular coach and only one of the former head coaches that they worked under.)



ee/connection wit[IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ee/Coaching_Trees.GIF[/IMG]h Fassel.

Re: (updated title) Mariucci Still Under Consideration, But No Follow Up Interview Ye
 

So Mooch is still in the running? Please don't toy with my emotions...lol! Geez...I'm all for Snyder being thorough with this, but I think he's hired just about every living available coach, with the exception of Bill Cowher of course (I'm not even considering Brain Billick.)

edited...I meant to say I think he's interviewed just about every coach that is available. Maybe Offiss is next on the interview list?

Re: (updated title) Mariucci Still Under Consideration, But No Follow Up Interview Ye
 

I pretty much only trust JLC on these kinds of things. ESPN doesn't really seem to ever be right when it comes to the Skins. At least that's the way it seems to me.

Re: (updated title) Mariucci Still Under Consideration, But No Follow Up Interview Ye
 

[QUOTE=djnemo65;418051]I pretty much only trust JLC on these kinds of things. ESPN doesn't really seem to ever be right when it comes to the Skins. At least that's the way it seems to me.[/QUOTE]

No comment

Re: (updated title) Mariucci Still Under Consideration, But No Follow Up Interview Ye
 

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;418052]No comment[/QUOTE]

It's ok SS, I still believe in ESPN! ;)

Re: (updated title) Mariucci Still Under Consideration, But No Follow Up Interview Ye
 

[quote=SBXVII;418049]This is the WC tr[edit] NFL Coaching Tree Examples:
(The following graphics are offered only as EXAMPLES of coaching trees. It must be noted that each coach belongs to several different coaching trees as they work under many different coaches throughout their careers. These three trees attempt to show a relationship between each particular coach and only one of the former head coaches that they worked under.)



ee/connection with Fassel.[/quote]

Heres Joe Gibbs Coaching tree

[CENTER]Joe Gibbs v1.0
I
Joe Gibbs v2.0[/CENTER]

Re: (updated title) Mariucci Still Under Consideration, But No Follow Up Interview Ye
 

[quote=skinsguy;418053]It's ok SS, I still believe in ESPN! ;)[/quote]

Even after Chris Bermans recently exposed outburst?

:cussing:

Re: (updated title) Mariucci Still Under Consideration, But No Follow Up Interview Ye
 

[QUOTE=Dirtbag359;418056]Heres Joe Gibbs Coaching tree

[CENTER]Joe Gibbs v1.0
I
Joe Gibbs v2.0[/CENTER][/QUOTE]


LOL!!! I actually kind of like that coaching tree! Wished there was a Gibbs 3.0 under there somewhere.

Re: (updated title) Mariucci Still Under Consideration, But No Follow Up Interview Ye
 

[QUOTE=Dirtbag359;418057]Even after Chris Bermans recently exposed outburst?

:cussing:[/QUOTE]

Yeah, that was kind of funny!

Re: (updated title) Mariucci Still Under Consideration, But No Follow Up Interview Ye
 

One of these days, SS is going to have a Chris Berman moment of his own. ;)

Re: (updated title) Mariucci Still Under Consideration, But No Follow Up Interview Ye
 

[QUOTE=SBXVII;418049]This is the WC tr[edit] NFL Coaching Tree Examples:
(The following graphics are offered only as EXAMPLES of coaching trees. It must be noted that each coach belongs to several different coaching trees as they work under many different coaches throughout their careers. These three trees attempt to show a relationship between each particular coach and only one of the former head coaches that they worked under.)



ee/connection wit[IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ee/Coaching_Trees.GIF[/IMG]h Fassel.[/QUOTE]

This coaching tree is eschewed. Holmgren, Seifert, Green, Rhodes and Paul Hackett were assistants with the 49ers in the 80's, Billick was like a water boy with them in the late 70's early 80's. Fassel assisted Walsh at Stanford, Jeff Fisher should fall under the Ditka tree sinc e he worked for him first, same for Shanahan and Kubiak under the Dan Reeves tree. Del Rio should under Jimmie Johnson, Tice under Gibbs, etc. Walsh gets too much credit for an offense created by PAUL BROWN!!

Re: (updated title) Mariucci Still Under Consideration, But No Follow Up Interview Ye
 

[quote=SmootSmack;418052]No comment[/quote]

Smoot, Every now and then having no comment is a good thing. By the way I think ESPN had it right the first time. But thanks for updating the title.

Re: (updated title) Mariucci Still Under Consideration, But No Follow Up Interview Ye
 

[quote=Dirtbag359;418056]Heres Joe Gibbs Coaching tree

[CENTER]Joe Gibbs v1.0
I

Joe Gibbs v2.0[/CENTER]
[/quote]


ROFLMAO. Thats funny right there I don't care who you are. lol.

Your right. He started his own tree and it died with the OL coach when he went to the Cards. lol. I used to think Gibbs was the one making the game plan and making it happen. Now I'm wondering if it was not the offensive co ordinator who was doing all that.

Honestly I think there are several Don Coryell coaches. Gibbs was one. Bill Walsh did have a stint in San Diego with Coryell. The wonderful Al Davis of the Raiders. Saunders. Mike Martz. Norv Turner. Zampeese. and who knows how many countless assistance coaches learned it or worked under it.

Re: (updated title) Mariucci Still Under Consideration, But No Follow Up Interview Ye
 

[QUOTE=SBXVII;418067]ROFLMAO. Thats funny right there I don't care who you are. lol.

Your right. He started his own tree and it died with the OL coach when he went to the Cards. lol. I used to think Gibbs was the one making the game plan and making it happen. Now I'm wondering if it was not the offensive co ordinator who was doing all that.

Honestly I think there are several Don Coryell coaches. Gibbs was one. Bill Walsh did have a stint in San Diego with Coryell. The wonderful Al Davis of the Raiders. Saunders. Mike Martz. Norv Turner. Zampeese. and who knows how many countless assistance coaches learned it or worked under it.[/QUOTE]

Dan Henning, who's back with the Dolphins. Cam Cameron should fall under the Norv tree not Marty Tree, Jason Garrett, Ken Whisenhunt.

Re: (updated title) Mariucci Still Under Consideration, But No Follow Up Interview Ye
 

SFR: I totally agree with you on Walsh getting to much credit. I belive some may even be defensive coaches but they listed them due to them having been associated with someone running the WC offense. I also stated earlier that "if Wikipedia" is correct. because we all know people like to add or change things on there. lol..

Re: ESPN reports Mariucci is out of the running for the HC job in Washington.
 

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;418034]I guess it worked for the Cowboys this year with Garrett being a first time OC and Wade Phillips really being defensive minded. But hiring Spagnuolo would make me wonder what exactly is the deal with Blache, and Phillips had experience as a head coach before Dallas[/QUOTE]


I'm curious as to just what the reaction to Spagnuolo would be had the Giants suffered a lopsided defeat in the SB. It could be that the HC has already been decided on, and the only thing left is the anouncment.

Perhaps, if the procedure Jerry Jones utilized last year, and what Snyder is doing this year becomes a successful trend, it could very well set a new trend for the way coaches are hired in the future. It certainly will make it easier to interchange parts of a coaching staff without replacing the entire package. Of course it all depends on how successful/or not it proves to be.

Re: (updated title) Mariucci Still Under Consideration, But No Follow Up Interview Ye
 

This is a copy cat league....however Saunders system worked for the Chiefs and not the Skins. go figure.

Re: (updated title) Mariucci Still Under Consideration, But No Follow Up Interview Ye
 

[QUOTE=SBXVII;418070]SFR: I totally agree with you on Walsh getting to much credit. I belive some may even be defensive coaches but they listed them due to them having been associated with someone running the WC offense. I also stated earlier that "if Wikipedia" is correct. because we all know people like to add or change things on there. lol..[/QUOTE]

On this tree descendant business the coach should fall to where he started his coaching career as an assistant. The media loves to give Walsh "the genius" crown when in reality Gibbs was a better coach. If Gibbs would have been fortunate to have one QB like Montana or Simms, god knows how many SB he would have won. The Coryell system kicks the Paul Brown/West Coast system ASS!!

Re: (updated title) Mariucci Still Under Consideration, But No Follow Up Interview Ye
 

I also think it's funny how we call the Paul Brown WC when it originated at Ohio State and Walsh who liked the Coryell system and was using it until his QB got hurt and had to put in a second string who could not make the long throws decided to shorten the routes. He then takes it to the 49ers and it's the WC. When it came from the East. Now you take Coryell and Sid Gilman's system which was developed in San Diego. Any chance we set the record straight and change the names. Gibbs ran the WC and Walsh ran the EC.

Re: (updated title) Mariucci Still Under Consideration, But No Follow Up Interview Ye
 

[QUOTE=SBXVII;418073]This is a copy cat league....however Saunders system worked for the Chiefs and not the Skins. go figure.[/QUOTE]


Saunders' system was hampered here because of shared philosophy with the HC. Any system with too much volume will struggle, but when it's crossed with conflicting concepts that only serves to compound the problem.

Re: (updated title) Mariucci Still Under Consideration, But No Follow Up Interview Ye
 

[quote=Longtimefan;418077]Saunders' system was hampered here because of shared philosophy with the HC. Any system with too much volume will struggle, but when it's crossed with conflicting concepts that only serves to compound the problem.[/quote]

If your using fancy words to say to many cooks in the kitchen I'm with ya. lol.

Re: (updated title) Mariucci Still Under Consideration, But No Follow Up Interview Ye
 

I'm just glad that Mooch is still in the running, but at this point I'm on board with anyone except for Meeks, for some reason I don't feel like he'd fit well here.

Re: ESPN reports Mariucci is out of the running for the HC job in Washington.
 

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;418034]I guess it worked for the Cowboys this year with Garrett being a first time OC and Wade Phillips really being defensive minded. [B]But hiring Spagnuolo would make me wonder what exactly is the deal with Blache[/B], and Phillips had experience as a head coach before Dallas[/QUOTE]


Yes, that's what doesn't make any sense. Why bring in a defensive minded head coach, with defensive coordinator already in place?

I could see an offensive minded guy taking over and leaving Blache here to keep Williams' defense basically in place.

Re: ESPN reports Mariucci is out of the running for the HC job in Washington.
 

[QUOTE=skinsfan_nn;418023]Why would you assume Spags will be nothing without Strahan, Umenyiora or Tuck, that makes no sense?

I disagree totally, the guy has a solid resume and now a nice ring to go with it, going all the way back to even starting his career here in DC in 1983 (or maybe this was his second job). First of all he's not being interviewed for DC, of course as HC with his one year at DC and GREAT success his finger print would be all over the D IMO. But I don't see ANY reason why he can't succeed at the HC level for the SKINS.[/QUOTE]

We already had a guy with a "solid resume" running the defense.

If you had to part ways with Williams, then I'm fine with Blache taking over. But is Spagnuolo so eager to accept a head coaching position that he will cede his right to hire the coaching staff he wants and have no say in who his D-coordinator will be? I guess we'll see.

Re: (updated title) Mariucci Still Under Consideration, But No Follow Up Interview Ye
 

Please Dan, Hire Arnold Schwarznager for HC!

Re: ESPN reports Mariucci is out of the running for the HC job in Washington.
 

[QUOTE=skinsguy;418030]It's the "in thing" to do when one likes to gloom and doom all day long. Of course, if we hire Spagnuolo, then the DS bashers will call him Norv turner 2.0. But, if he found another head coaching job and became the next winning dynasty head coach, then the DS bashers will bash him for not picking Spags to be our head coach. I personally like the idea of hiring him, because I think he's going to be in a perfect position to be successful. He would be inheriting a playoff team who has most of their coaches coming back. The big question mark will be the offense, but everybody seems to believe Zorn is the next offensive mastermind. I see no reason why we shouldn't give him a chance.[/QUOTE]

Ah yes. How dare anyone criticize an owner whose team has collected a 50-62 record on his watch.

I happen to be against the hiring of Spagnuolo. I'd prefer someone with more experiece, like Fassel or Mariucci. I find it difficult to believe that Spagnuolo will be able to duplicate his success without the great pass rush he had in NY. Without that front four, he'd be no better than the defensive coaches we already have in place.

Re: (updated title) Mariucci Still Under Consideration, But No Follow Up Interview Ye
 

I think that Blanche as a D-line coach turned D-Coordinator and Spag as a LB/DB coach turned D-Coordinator could work together well as Head Coach and D Coordinator. That said, I would like to get a little more help for Zorn. Maybe we could bring in Fassel as the QB coach... (LOL)!!!!

Re: ESPN reports Mariucci is out of the running for the HC job in Washington.
 

[quote=Beemnseven;418112]Ah yes. How dare anyone criticize an owner whose team has collected a 50-62 record on his watch.

I happen to be against the hiring of Spagnuolo. I'd prefer someone with more experiece, like Fassel or Mariucci. I find it difficult to believe that Spagnuolo will be able to duplicate his success without the great pass rush he had in NY. Without that front four, he'd be no better than the defensive coaches we already have in place.[/quote]

I agree, but maybe, Spags will be the voice we've long been waiting for to finally bolster our D-line through the draft and free agency. He knows a strong pass rush is key to having a dominant defense, and we've all been complaining for years that we need to improve our pass rush. Maybe, under Spags, that would finally happen. Or we could just draft another guy for the secondary in the first round. :stop:

Re: ESPN reports Mariucci is out of the running for the HC job in Washington.
 

[QUOTE=theJBexperience;418134]I agree, but maybe, Spags will be the voice we've long been waiting for to finally bolster our D-line through the draft and free agency. He knows a strong pass rush is key to having a dominant defense, and we've all been complaining for years that we need to improve our pass rush. Maybe, under Spags, that would finally happen. Or we could just draft another guy for the secondary in the first round. :stop:[/QUOTE]

Now that's the best argument yet for Spags. Great point.

Re: (updated title) Mariucci Still Under Consideration, But No Follow Up Interview Ye
 

[QUOTE=Beemnseven;418112]Ah yes. How dare anyone criticize an owner whose team has collected a 50-62 record on his watch.

I happen to be against the hiring of Spagnuolo. I'd prefer someone with more experiece, like Fassel or Mariucci. I find it difficult to believe that Spagnuolo will be able to duplicate his success without the great pass rush he had in NY. Without that front four, he'd be no better than the defensive coaches we already have in place.[/QUOTE]

Sure, it’s easy to criticize Snyder. Heck, it’s a no-brainer thing to do! I mean, we all get it, Beems. Snyder had been a horrible owner. But in regards to guys with head coaching experience, they all have had to start somewhere. I bet you would have never hired Joe Gibbs back in 1980.

Spags can either be the greatest thing as head coach or another Steve Spurrier of the pros. But at least it’s not like he is having to start at ground zero here. The team is set in place. The coaching staff is set in place. All he has to do is come in and prove himself as a head coach. I assume the more success he has, the more control he’ll obtain. Still, I’m willing to give him a shot. If he pans out, we should have a good coach for the next decade or so. If he doesn’t, then we’re back to square one. But, there’s no guarantee we’re going to succeed with either Fassel or Mooch either. It’s all a crapshoot. They have experience, but neither have won Super Bowls.

Re: (updated title) Mariucci Still Under Consideration, But No Follow Up Interview Ye
 

[QUOTE=skinsguy;418255]Sure, it’s easy to criticize Snyder. Heck, it’s a no-brainer thing to do! I mean, we all get it, Beems. Snyder had been a horrible owner. But in regards to guys with head coaching experience, they all have had to start somewhere. I bet you would have never hired Joe Gibbs back in 1980.

Spags can either be the greatest thing as head coach or another Steve Spurrier of the pros. But at least it’s not like he is having to start at ground zero here. The team is set in place. The coaching staff is set in place. All he has to do is come in and prove himself as a head coach. I assume the more success he has, the more control he’ll obtain. Still, I’m willing to give him a shot. If he pans out, we should have a good coach for the next decade or so. If he doesn’t, then we’re back to square one. But, there’s no guarantee we’re going to succeed with either Fassel or Mooch either. It’s all a crapshoot. They have experience, but neither have won Super Bowls.[/QUOTE]

No, I'd have been OK with the hiring of Gibbs back in 1981 because it was based on the recommendation of a solid GM who knew how to put a football team together: Bobby Beathard.

If Spags turns out to be the guy, I'm still behind my team all the way no matter who the coach is. I'd be willing to give him the benefit of doubt. And I'm not against the notion of going after a young, hungry coach without experience who is eager to prove himself. I just think there are better options on the table with Fassel and Mariucci, and I do believe there's a rush to judgement of sorts on Spagnuolo based only on his success with the Giants who have better personnel than we do up front.

I just can't wait for this thing to get settled once and for all.

Re: (updated title) Mariucci Still Under Consideration, But No Follow Up Interview Ye
 

[QUOTE=Beemnseven;418266]No, I'd have been OK with the hiring of Gibbs back in 1981 because it was based on the recommendation of a solid GM who knew how to put a football team together: Bobby Beathard.

If Spags turns out to be the guy, I'm still behind my team all the way no matter who the coach is. I'd be willing to give him the benefit of doubt. And I'm not against the notion of going after a young, hungry coach without experience who is eager to prove himself. I just think there are better options on the table with Fassel and Mariucci, and I do believe there's a rush to judgement of sorts on Spagnuolo based only on his success with the Giants who have better personnel than we do up front.

I just can't wait for this thing to get settled once and for all.[/QUOTE]

Sounds like you're more critical of Vinny rather than Dan. I do agree though, I'm ready for it to be settled so the new era can begin.