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I have been a huge backer of snyder in the regards that he wants to win and spends tons of money trying(good or bad) But, this latest debacle of a coaching search makes it difficult to defend. GW had the backing of the players, these players loved GW. We saw for 4 years how these guys didn't lay down, or throw in the towel especially when we were losing badly those two years. I think it damages the moral of the players when the owner doesn't listen to the hearts of his players or common sense for that matter. The reason GW isn't here is because he wanted some control, and we will all have to face it, that with Dan and Vinny no coach of any quality will take this job if he cant have some control. Fassell, Mariucci,Meeks all want to be head coaches and will settle for about anything to get back in the game. The other guys Cowher, Spags, Mora, Carroll know they can not work under those rules and pulled out, or never even concidered the job. Dan Snyder has taken the easiest decision he would have ever had and turned it into a 3 ring circus and again has us as the laughing stock of the NFL. We have let a great person, and coach walk out the door when all we had to do was move him into the position and we could have kept going in the same direction we were going in. I dont understand the impatience of this front office, never wanting to build on success. they want to try and make radical changes to push us over the top, but those changes have done nothing but make us take a few steps back the years after we take 1 step forward.
I am just tired of all the BS, hire someone and lets get on with it. We are all ready behind 31 other teams in the NFL as far as getting ready for the draft. Oh wait, maybe not. I am sure Danny and Vinny all ready have the kid they want to draft, they just have to tell fassell who they are drafting.
what a joke this organization has become

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So... Mora Jr. and Spagnoulo decided to stick with their own teams, Cowher is taking a 2 year hiatus, Carroll wasn't coming back without control, and all of a sudden this is a devalued HC job?? Sorry JLC, thanks for stirring the pot but I'm not buying.

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[quote=Mattyk72;419160]So... Mora Jr. and Spagnoulo decided to stick with their own teams, Cowher is taking a 2 year hiatus, Carroll wasn't coming back without control, and all of a sudden this is a devalued HC job?? Sorry JLC, thanks for stirring the pot but I'm not buying.[/quote]


I believe I heard Mora was offerred the job? and chose not to take it. It could have certainly been because he wanted to stay in Seattle giving the fact he will be coach next year. Spags wouldn't have been able to get his people, which I think was a huge factor in him resigning with NY. with Cowher, I truly believe he wasn't taking the job because of the front office structure and fact he wouldn't have control of personel or his staff. Money always talks, his hiatus would be only temporary if Danny offerred enough money.

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ABSOLUTELY, the only person he should hire now and bring back some luster of burgandy and gold is RUSS GRIMM

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[quote=#56fanatic;419165][B]I believe I heard Mora was offerred the job?[/B] and chose not to take it. It could have certainly been because he wanted to stay in Seattle giving the fact he will be coach next year. [B]Spags wouldn't have been able to get his people, which I think was a huge factor in him resigning with NY[/B]. with Cowher, I truly believe he wasn't taking the job because of the front office structure and fact he wouldn't have control of personel or his staff. Money always talks, his hiatus would be only temporary if Danny offerred enough money.[/quote]

I don't think there was ever any concrete evidence of Mora Jr. being offered the job. Just rumors and speculation.

Spags came into a similar situation in NY, he came in as the DC with his assistants already in place and it wasn't an issue for him then.

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I believe the skins have had the most # of head coaches in the NFL since DS took over in 99.

I respect everyone's opinion but the way that we do things in the FO, has to be a factor in the head coaches that would be interested in this position. Think about it. HC's don't want to be dictated to. They want to do things their way for the most part. They want to bring their guys in, who they are comfortable with. They don't want to be told who is going to be on their staff. What happens on a team w/ a new hc? They get rid of 90% of the old staff.

Who knows whether we offered the job to Spags or Mora, but regardless they both chose to pull out of consideration. Others aren't going to come here b/c of what i mentioned above. I'm not necessarily for giving a HC 100% control, but I do believe they should have control over their staff.

I don't think the season is over and i'm going to be a fan of whoever they hire. However that doesn't mean I have to agree w/ the way DS and VC do things as it's a little f'd up.

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My far reaching theory is that he and Cerrato are holding choice till they can work through the draft themselves and then hire the coach to coach the team. Oh coach along with Dan and Vinny's assistants as well.

I'm all for a Redskin Fan burn out in front of offices to revolt against what he has not done and will do if he hires rehash coaches.

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[quote=Hail2theskins;419064]Would you want to be the HC of a team with [U][B]NO[/B][/U] control of your own staff? Seriously, thats like starting a business and having some 3rd party choosing your partners for you, who wants that?[/quote]

No, it's nothing like that at all. The new coach will have no financial repurcussions for failure if that should happen. This situation is much closer to an executive board hiring in a CEO after they have put in place a solid management team. That happens all the time in business and it the expected norm for the most part. This coach is getting paid (well I might add) to manage players and staff, and that is nothing like starting a business.

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One thing that looks really bad on the skins are the reports that somehow come out about a couple candidates.

Spags: He wasn't ready for a HC position yet. Per his agent not true.

GW: He said disparaging comments about JG's. Not true.

Now we don't have proof who the sources were the leaked these smear tactics but the new skins front office has been known in the past for these types of things.

So whether they've come from the FO or not we don't know, but it looks bad all the same.

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[quote=vavajan;419186][B]My far reaching theory is that he and Cerrato are holding choice till they can work through the draft themselves and then hire the coach to coach the team.[/B] Oh coach along with Dan and Vinny's assistants as well.

I'm all for a Redskin Fan burn out in front of offices to revolt against what he has not done and will do if he hires rehash coaches.[/quote]

Um yeah that is pretty far out there.

Doing that would be a complete disaster. It won't happen.

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With Gibbs gone, Snyder is regaining his reputation and a terrible, meddling owner. I'm not too concerned about what others in the NFL think, but I am worried how this coaching search has become such a mess (and that Vinny C. remains in the front office).

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[quote=Mattyk72;419173]I don't think there was ever any concrete evidence of Mora Jr. being offered the job. Just rumors and speculation.

Spags came into a similar situation in NY, he came in as the DC with his assistants already in place and it wasn't an issue for him then.[/quote]


I wasn't real sure about the Mora thing, just hear say. with spags though, this is a different situation. Being brought in as a DC working with people there, and being the head guy working with current staff is a bit different. He didn't have really any say in who was in NY, but being the head guy, he should want / does want control over who he brings in. All in all, I am glad neither of those guys are in the mix anymore anyway.

At this point, I just want it over and done with. this is just getting old.

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[url=http://cbs.sportsline.com/columns/weblogs/entry/10612907]Prisco's Points - CBSSports.com[/url]

From CBS Sportsline commentator Pete Prisco:

When does a coordinator job become more valuable than a head-coaching position?


When Dan Snyder is the guy with the top job.


Although there is no official word on whether the Washington Redskins job was offered to New York Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo, he is staying put in New York. Spagnuolo will get a new three-year deal from the Giants, one that reports say will pay him over $3 million a season.


Even with the raise, why turn down a possible chance to be a head coach?
Why? How about a meddling owner? How about assuming two coordinators who are already there? How about a personnel chief who is Snyder's shadow?


So why take the job?


I'm a big believer in the value of NFL head-coaching jobs. There are only 32 of them, and you never know when the shine will come off your career. So if you can, I usually say take the job.


In this case, Spagnuolo probably made the right decision. If he's really being paid near $3 million a season, the Giants might be going to $6 million a season for Tom Coughlin's extension, which is coming.

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[quote=htownskinfan;419125]it was gibbs who hired saunders,so i would say thats backing him,as for wiliams,yes i would have rather he hired him and see how it worked out
Has snyder got along with anybody besides gibbs?[/quote]
Well I guess know thing about Willams that no one else knows. Did williams even want to keep Saunders? Did he want to keep the other coaches on staff? Heck, did he even wnat to keep JC and other players? Those are questions that at this point no one knoows the answers to so to say Snyder passed him but and screwed up the team is just a guess until we have the answers to some of those answers.

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[quote=firstdown;419231]Well I guess know thing about Willams that no one else knows. Did williams even want to keep Saunders? Did he want to keep the other coaches on staff? Heck, did he even wnat to keep JC and other players? Those are questions that at this point no one knoows the answers to so to say Snyder passed him but and screwed up the team is just a guess until we have the answers to some of those answers.[/quote]

JLC said Williams would have kept Saunders for the sake of continuity for Campbell but he would have made him condense his playbook and simplify things more.

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[quote=saden1;419065]You've got to ask yourself "Would I work for Snyder?"

Hell, if I were Fassel I would pull out too. I'm surprised he is still around seeing how he is just a bootycall.[/quote]

hahaha never thought of it that way but youre right, fassel is the ugly chick with big tits you keep around for when your desperate.

go skins!

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;419233]JLC said Williams would have kept Saunders for the sake of continuity for Campbell but he would have made him condense his playbook and simplify things more.[/QUOTE]

Which is ironic, because how many times did we hear how Gibbs was handcuffing the offense by making Saunders condense the playbook and simplify things. Would we have had "Grandpa Williams" "Game Has Passed Williams By" threads?

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[QUOTE=#56fanatic;419158]I have been a huge backer of snyder in the regards that he wants to win and spends tons of money trying(good or bad) But, this latest debacle of a coaching search makes it difficult to defend. GW had the backing of the players, these players loved GW. We saw for 4 years how these guys didn't lay down, or throw in the towel especially when we were losing badly those two years. I think it damages the moral of the players when the owner doesn't listen to the hearts of his players or common sense for that matter. The reason GW isn't here is because he wanted some control, and we will all have to face it, that with Dan and Vinny no coach of any quality will take this job if he cant have some control. Fassell, Mariucci,Meeks all want to be head coaches and will settle for about anything to get back in the game. The other guys Cowher, Spags, Mora, Carroll know they can not work under those rules and pulled out, or never even concidered the job. Dan Snyder has taken the easiest decision he would have ever had and turned it into a 3 ring circus and again has us as the laughing stock of the NFL. We have let a great person, and coach walk out the door when all we had to do was move him into the position and we could have kept going in the same direction we were going in. I dont understand the impatience of this front office, never wanting to build on success. they want to try and make radical changes to push us over the top, but those changes have done nothing but make us take a few steps back the years after we take 1 step forward.
I am just tired of all the BS, hire someone and lets get on with it. We are all ready behind 31 other teams in the NFL as far as getting ready for the draft. Oh wait, maybe not. I am sure Danny and Vinny all ready have the kid they want to draft, they just have to tell fassell who they are drafting.
what a joke this organization has become[/QUOTE]

I don't know if you specifically fall under this category, but I think it's pretty unbelievable that people make such a big stink about "We need a General Manager" "It's too much for the coach to handle both coaching and personnel moves" yet so many of these same people are upset because we're not giving control to first time coaches like Meeks and Spags or guys like Williams and Carroll.

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[quote=SmootSmack;419264]I don't know if you specifically fall under this category, but I think it's pretty unbelievable that people make such a big stink about "We need a General Manager" "It's too much for the coach to handle both coaching and personnel moves" yet so many of these same people are upset because we're not giving control to first time coaches like Meeks and Spags or guys like Williams and Carroll.[/quote]

LOL too funny

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;419259]Which is ironic, because how many times did we hear how Gibbs was handcuffing the offense by making Saunders condense the playbook and simplify things. Would we have had "Grandpa Williams" "Game Has Passed Williams By" threads?[/QUOTE]


Smack, I truly admire your courage and loyalty, as a true Redskin fan. However after reading every single post in this thread, it seems obvious you're beating a dead horse. This topic has been hashed, and rehashed so many times it's about as old as dirt. I just wish Sally Jenkins would stay under the covers.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;419264]I don't know if you specifically fall under this category, but I think it's pretty unbelievable that people make such a big stink about "We need a General Manager" "It's too much for the coach to handle both coaching and personnel moves" yet so many of these same people are upset because we're not giving control to first time coaches like Meeks and Spags or guys like Williams and Carroll.[/QUOTE]

There's that logic thing popping up again. I thought you were going to get that removed for the sake of 'continuity' on the board..

I think we're getting caught up in the media storm over this whole thing.. Marcellus Wiley on First Take this morning said that most of the players could care less at this point about what's going on. It won't affect them until March or so when they have to start the offseason regimen. The only ones who are really dialed in are free agents who don't know if they'll fit the new coach's system or not.

Like Snyder said at the outset, he's not interested in winning any more press conferences, he wants to win championships. If it takes him 6 weeks to get the guy who is going to accomplish that, then so be it.

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SS - why is the FO structure stupid -


-danny wants a coach that will basically march to his beat and not complain about it (GW wanted to keep saunders, wanted some say on personnel, so he's gone, mora wanted knapp, and knew it wouldn't happen here).

-everyone wanted stability, so the first thing that happens is firing the head of our offense and defense and an attempt to change to a WCO and a 3-4 D... WTF??? granted our offense wasn't amazing, but it's hard to believe lds's rants on stability after that flash of what he really wanted to do. (though he did originally want to keep GW as the DC, it was beyond stupid to think that'd ever happen).

those are the two real issues. by feeling the need to dictate conditions to your coach to the degree that's been seen here, i'm not sure any grade A candidate would ever choose the skins and the best option.

also last year was vinny's first good year (FA/draft combined - no wasted money on archuletta, lloyd, etc) - but GW/saunders/gibbs had say. so as the head guy, this is his first real shot solo to not screw things up. there's really no clear track record, and you're not really sure if some things were based on danny's views (drafting ramsey, not trading ramsey for AO straight up, bad signings with huge contracts, etc).

more of a concern than an issue, but i actually think we'll do alright on the FA/draft thing. WR FAs and draftable DL guys are strengths this year, and that's what we need.

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[quote=SmootSmack;419264]I don't know if you specifically fall under this category, but I think it's pretty unbelievable that people make such a big stink about "We need a General Manager" "It's too much for the coach to handle both coaching and personnel moves" yet so many of these same people are upset because we're not giving control to first time coaches like Meeks and Spags or guys like Williams and Carroll.[/quote]


I am one who believes we need a GM, but I dont think its a must have to win. Some teams have had some success not having a GM, but overall the success rate of teams with good GM's are much higher than those that don't. I dont want the coach to have entire control over the roster, but I do think they should have control over the coaching staff. I dont have a problem with Vinny and Danny being in on some personel moves, but the current structure hasn't provided much in the ways of winning seasons, playoffs and definately not conference champs or superbowls. Until this organization wins consistantly, makes playoffs, conf championships and maybe superbowls, this owner and front office will hear the same crap year in and year out. those who think its bashing may be right, but win and it stops, simple as that.

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[QUOTE=That Guy;419276]SS - why is the FO structure stupid -


-danny wants a coach that will basically march to his beat and not complain about it (GW wanted to keep saunders, wanted some say on personnel, so he's gone, mora wanted knapp, and knew it wouldn't happen here).

-everyone wanted stability, so the first thing that happens is firing the head of our offense and defense and an attempt to change to a WCO and a 3-4 D... WTF??? granted our offense wasn't amazing, but it's hard to believe lds's rants on stability after that flash of what he really wanted to do. (though he did originally want to keep GW as the DC, it was beyond stupid to think that'd ever happen).

those are the two real issues. by feeling the need to dictate conditions to your coach to the degree that's been seen here, i'm not sure any grade A candidate would ever choose the skins and the best option.

also last year was vinny's first good year (FA/draft combined - no wasted money on archuletta, lloyd, etc) - but GW/saunders/gibbs had say. so as the head guy, this is his first real shot solo to not screw things up. there's really no clear track record, and you're not really sure if some things were based on danny's views (drafting ramsey, not trading ramsey for AO straight up, bad signings with huge contracts, etc).

more of a concern than an issue, but i actually think we'll do alright on the FA/draft thing. WR FAs and draftable DL guys are strengths this year, and that's what we need.[/QUOTE]

Different, but I don't know about stupid

Some clarifications though:

-Williams wanted all control. By the way two of the last three coaches had complete control and the other got an open checkbook and could have had it if he wanted it.

-The part about DS wanted Williams to stay as DC, turns out that wasn't true

I think people assume that because Ryan ran a 3-4 in Baltimore he would do the same here. Not necessarily true. Ryan is a disciple of the 46 (just like his dad, just like williams), he likely would have run a 4-3 here.

The WCO is certainly a change and it remains to be seen how that will play out. Besides, as I've said in another thread "stability" should not be pigeonholed to just Williams and Saunders

But, as LTF says, this is just beating a dead horse. Let's just wait for the results. Wake me up when September ends

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[quote=Mattyk72;419233]JLC said Williams would have kept Saunders for the sake of continuity for Campbell but he would have made him condense his playbook and simplify things more.[/quote]
You made my point. Did JLC quote Williams as saying this or was it one of those rumore thing that have been going around?

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Not losing respectability...lost it. Right or wrong the public image of the Redskins has plummeted since the day Joe Gibbs resigned.

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He's totally lost all respectability IMO. This whole thing is a big mess and no coach with a spine is going to coach here. Imagine Joe Gibbs working with an owner who hires HIS assistants for him. Yeah right!! I think I've said this before but Snyder has no ability to feel the pulse of his own team. He totally fails 100% in carrying over the momentum from last year. An example of that is the qb situtation. I think eveyone here feels comfortable with JC as #1 going in with Collins #2 and bring back Al. We're real solid at Qb with that set-up. Right? Now we're probably going to lose Collins, change the offense AGAIN, the OC is gone which is going to mean a new back-up QB. Sorry but that's just not good smart ownership. It seems to me Snyder is more worried about getting along with his HC rather than doing what's best for the team. What if JC goes down again? Who is his backup and can he play at the level Collins did?

I think well be Ok on defense but the offense could be real messy.

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I dont think he is loosing respectablility it is more the fact that he never had respectablility to begin with. He brought in Spurrier with that ridiculous run and gun offense, a slew of aging veterans like Deion Sanders, Jeff George,etc. We keep trading all of our draft picks for players like Lloyd and Duckett. The bad free agents signings continued with Brunell, Archuleta, Randle el (love el but he is overpaid for his production). The only respectable thing Snyder has done in his tenure of ownership was bringing Gibbs out of retirement. After Gibbs stepped down, what does snyder do? Fires the only stable element we had left, Greg Williams. Now we are hiring a bunch of cordinators without a coach and completly starting from scratch after a playoff campaign. It doesnt make sense. This team seems to once again be going in the wrong directions.

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[quote=skinsfan69;419298]He's totally lost all respectability IMO. This whole thing is a big mess and no coach with a spine is going to coach here. Imagine Joe Gibbs working with an owner who hires HIS assistants for him. Yeah right!! I think I've said this before but Snyder has no ability to feel the pulse of his own team. He totally fails 100% in carrying over the momentum from last year. An example of that is the qb situtation. I think eveyone here feels comfortable with JC as #1 going in with Collins #2 and bring back Al. We're real solid at Qb with that set-up. Right? Now we're probably going to lose Collins, change the offense AGAIN, the OC is gone which is going to mean a new back-up QB. Sorry but that's just not good smart ownership. It seems to me Snyder is more worried about getting along with his HC rather than doing what's best for the team. What if JC goes down again? Who is his backup and can he play at the level Collins did?

I think well be Ok on defense but the offense could be real messy.[/quote]
Yea this offense was really lighting things up.

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[quote=firstdown;419302]Yea this offense was really lighting things up.[/quote]

But why change everything on JC again? Putting a young QB in his 3rd offense in 4 years is just a REALLY REALLY stupid thing to do. Don't you think? Putting any Qb in this situation is stupid. And if he really wanted to get rid of Al then fine. But why not bring in someone who runs the same offense? Cam Cameron was out there before Balt. got him. Snyder just does some dumb shit.

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One thing with all of this change in coaching staff is our new coach might not feel Campbell is the answer at QB. I know Zorn has been brought in to enhance Campbell but we still might need to draft or sign a veteran QB that the new coach will be able to stabilize the offense with.

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[quote=skinsfan69;419306]But why change everything on JC again? Putting a young QB in his 3rd offense in 4 years is just a REALLY REALLY stupid thing to do. Don't you think? Putting any Qb in this situation is stupid. And if he really wanted to get rid of Al then fine. But why not bring in someone who runs the same offense? Cam Cameron was out there before Balt. got him. Snyder just does some dumb shit.[/quote]

Or you could say keeping him in an offense that he's not exceeding in could also be seen as really really stupid.

Even if GW got the job he was going to make Saunders simplify things. That seems to tell me things weren't going all that well.

JC had his best season in college playing in a WC system. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Snyder and co. looked for JC's input when they went out and got Zorn.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;419310]One thing with all of this change in coaching staff is our new coach might not feel Campbell is the answer at QB. I know Zorn has been brought in to enhance Campbell but we still might need to draft or sign a veteran QB that the new coach will be able to stabilize the offense with.[/quote]

Good point. But my point is we were stable with JC and Collins as 1 and 2 in the Al's offense. Why blow that up? You can always draft a young guy to groom and I thought that was Palmer. But I guess they thought he wasn't good enough so they hung on to Brunell another year.

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Unlike many Redskins fans, I don't think Dan Snyder is the anti-Christ. Dan seems to have certain redeeming qualities as a person (e.g., starting a fund for Taylor's daughter and giving players and staff access to his plane for personal reasons) and a coach (e.g., willingness to open up his pocketbook). Moreover, as an owner, I think Dan Snyder has learned a lot and come a long way since 2000.

However, Dan also often acts very childish. Sending ice cream to Mike Nolan, threatening to ruin Coles' career, poking fun at members of the press at dinners, etc. are not exactly signs of maturity. So, while Snyder is not Hitler and is not a horrible owner, he does things that make it very hard for people to give him credit.

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What has Dan Snyder done football operations wise to deserve respect? After eight years of a failing grade (58-70 under Snyder) maybe Snyder has learned something and finally puts the pieces together to build a winner? Maybe.
Gibbs is gone so Snyder wants to go back to calling all the shots. Dan Snyder has a Jerry Jones ego but with out the football experience that Jones has to back it up.

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[QUOTE=Defensewins;419331]What has Dan Snyder done football operations wise to deserve respect? After eight years of a failing grade (58-70 under Snyder) maybe Snyder has learned something and finally puts the pieces together to build a winner? Maybe.
Gibbs is gone so Snyder wants to go back to calling all the shots. Dan Snyder has a Jerry Jones ego but with out the football experience that Jones has to back it up.[/QUOTE]

Where are you getting that Snyder wants to go back to calling all the shots? Because he's named Cerrato EVP? Is that the reason?

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;419318]Or you could say keeping him in an offense that he's not exceeding in could also be seen as really really stupid.

Even if GW got the job he was going to make Saunders simplify things. That seems to tell me things weren't going all that well.

JC had his best season in college playing in a WC system. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Snyder and co. looked for JC's input when they went out and got Zorn.[/QUOTE]



It has been reported that Snyder was not satisfied with the way the offense was going, so it stands to reason when Gibbs left, the offense was going to take a different direction.

JC will probably excell in the WCO, a system he's not unfamiliar with, the only difference being the speed in which the plays are executed, and the speed of the defensive reaction. I'm content to see how thing are going to work out as opposed to dwelling on negative presumption. The answer to all the negatives will play out on the field.

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[QUOTE=Defensewins;419331]What has Dan Snyder done football operations wise to deserve respect? After eight years of a failing grade (58-70 under Snyder) maybe Snyder has learned something and finally puts the pieces together to build a winner? Maybe.
Gibbs is gone so Snyder wants to go back to calling all the shots. Dan Snyder has a Jerry Jones ego but with out the football experience that Jones has to back it up.[/QUOTE]

By the way, not that it's a huge deal, but isn't the record 68-76?

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[QUOTE=Hail2theskins;419064]Would you want to be the HC of a team with [U][B]NO[/B][/U] control of your own staff? Seriously, thats like starting a business and having some 3rd party choosing your partners for you, who wants that?[/QUOTE]

I must admit that I do like some of the things Dan Snyder has done in the community he lives in, it's hard not to appriciate that.

But getting down to football he is not a very good owner. What has this team won in the time he has been the owner? We've had three playoff appreances and that's it. Two of those three came in the four years Gibbs came back. Joe again has left the team in much better shape than he found it. I'm sure that Dan has his reasons for taking so long to hire a HC but still there must be something wrong with his approach in all of this that has keep him for hiring someone by now or that has made others say I don't want the job. It might be that no other coach wants to work for him other as the HC other than Fassal. Tell me that Meeks or Spags is not a much better choice than Fassal and Gregg Williams certainly was. The truth is The Washington Redskins have not been worth a damn under the ownership of Dan Synder and that's just that. I hope he sells the team soon. Because we as fans will never celebrate another world title with the team under Dan and his flunky Vinny C. Jack Kent Cook didn't agree with a lot of things Joe Gibbs wanted to do when Joe worked for Cook but he did so and things turned out pretty damn good I'd say, four Super Bowl trips and three Lombardi trophies to show for it.
Dan should have listen to Gibbs and hired Williams and things would have turned out much better for the team. It's truly a shame that this team is probably going to be around mediocore or worse with all of the talent it has just because the owner can't or want listen to the man who got this team back into the playoff 2 out of 4 years after being out of the league for 12 years and as I said earlier he has left the team in far better shape than he found it. It's a sad, sad time for the team and the fans.

But I've been pulling for the Skins for to long now to turn away so I'll just hope that things turn out well no matter who Dan hire as the HC.

So no I wouldn't want to be the guy hired as head coach after the OC and DC have been put in place. Because I would feel like I didn't have any control or the respect of the other coaches or the players.

Re: Dan Snyder losing respectability?
 

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;419335]Where are you getting that Snyder wants to go back to calling all the shots? Because he's named Cerrato EVP? Is that the reason?[/QUOTE]

He is doing everything himself. All interviews at his house. Some HC candidates are sleeping in his guest house.
Mr. Smootsmack - are you saying he is not involved in every aspect of the decision making of football operations especially as it relates to the hiring of the new coaching staff?