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That is funny, the US is headed into finincial oblivion and these fools in DC care more about roids or taping signals. Whatever is coming our way in '09(another market crash, etc) we will deserve. The disaster that is impending should get their full attention. Steroids or cheating is inconsequential to what we are facing as a nation.

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[quote=djnemo65;423216]How are they allowing cheating? They gave the Patriots the most severe punishment in the history of the league. One team breaking a league rule is not the same as a league-wide conspiracy to fix games and defraud fans.

I just think a lot of people need to calm down on this, starting with Specter.[/quote]

That's the point - the NFL said that was it, but now it appears that one incident is [U]not[/U] the extent of it. Congress wants to make sure they are getting their money's worth. There's nothing wrong with that.

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[QUOTE=GusFrerotte;423218]That is funny, the US is headed into finincial oblivion and these fools in DC care more about roids or taping signals. Whatever is coming our way in '09(another market crash, etc) we will deserve. The disaster that is impending should get their full attention. Steroids or cheating is inconsequential to what we are facing as a nation.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, yeah... the USA in going to hell in a handbasket but this is not a political site. What really sucks is that Goddell admits to seeing the tapes, admits it was illegal, admits that the Pats have been cheating since 2000, but has destroyed the tapes. Pretty much, we all know they cheated but there is nothing that can be done because there is no proof. The only thing left to do is be really angry and just wait to see how "great" of a coach Bilicheck really is.

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I respect you guys' opinion on this, I just think that, barring some sort of egregious conspiracy, it is up to the NFL to police itself. Maybe they should have been less secretive with the evidence but that's still not the same as a harboring a systematic conspiracy to allow cheating.

I don't have a problem with congress investigating in theory. I think they have time to deal with both this and more substantive matters as well. I just question whether intervention is warranted given the circumstances.

One league complicitely allowing roided-up players to smash records and fill stadiums for 20 years is a far cry from another destroying some tapes.

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yeah, the NFL's got nothing on the MLB when it comes to controversy. I feel sorry for the fans of that sport.

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bottom line for me is instead of holding hearings because a bunch of asshole rich players is
stupid.hold a hearing on how to stop homelessness,hold a hearing about how slow redtape is in critical situations are why people in our country at this moment are starving.sports is entertainment and needs to be kept in it's proper place.like i said it's bullshit that these life saving things are way below the importance of the government when it comes to pro sports!!!

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[QUOTE=redskinsfanatic;423486]bottom line for me is instead of holding hearings because a bunch of asshole rich players is
stupid.hold a hearing on how to stop homelessness,hold a hearing about how slow redtape is in critical situations are why people in our country at this moment are starving.sports is entertainment and needs to be kept in it's proper place.like i said it's bullshit that these life saving things are way below the importance of the government when it comes to pro sports!!![/QUOTE]

Instead of posting here you should go read a book, take a walk, volunteer somewhere

And my point there is that obviously you don't just post here, just like Congress doesn't just discuss sports (which incidentally is a major business).

[url=http://www.capitolhearings.org/]CapitolHearings.org[/url]

(and it's Facenda, not Fracenda)

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take a break slapnuts,no need to be an asshole mama's boy every day of your life!

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Have you been working on that comeback for 3 months?

Have a nice break.

BTW, if you read SS's post carefully, you would see he wasn't attacking you - he was making the point that Congress [U]does[/U] focus on things other than Spygate, just like you (and all of us) focus on things other than the Skins.

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His issues with me seem to run deeper than that (judging by PMs I've gotten). Who knows why? Yeah I've locked a couple of his threads, but they were duplicates/old topics/wrong forums/dumb topics so someone was going to lock them.

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He probably knows you're a Hoyas fan...

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[quote=onlydarksets;447415]Have you been working on that comeback for 3 months?

Have a nice break.

BTW, if you read SS's post carefully, you would see he wasn't attacking you - he was making the point that Congress [U]does[/U] focus on things other than Spygate, just like you (and all of us) focus on things other than the Skins.[/quote]
Thats funny. I just noticed that the post before his was 2/18/08 and when I saw this thread I thought it was because of the new info and not just to attack another poster.

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Arlen Specter is doin the right thing when the commish views these 8 tapes and sees cheating he should strip them of the titles and bounce them outta the league for the year or make them get rid of Belicheck.And SPECTER is a STEELERS FAN

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titles shouldnt be taken, but asteriks should be added.

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Hold hearings on why were paying $4 dollars for gas and EXXON has a 10 BILLON dollar profit...........for a fricking quarter! Profit ...thats after they pay for drilling,taxes and exploration!:soapbox:

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[quote=Hijinx;422879]I doubt that Specter cares the Eagles lost. Comcast cable, who is in a big lawsuit with the NFL, has given somewhere between 200,000 and 500,000 dollars to Specter though his PAC funds. I get the feeling that he is using Spygate to threaten NFL's antitrust, thus putting pressure to settle the lawsuit with Comcast.[/quote]

Why is Comcast in a big lawsuit with the NFL?

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[quote=redskinsfanatic;447411]take a break slapnuts,no need to be an asshole mama's boy every day of your life![/quote]

slapnuts??????? never heard of that one before.

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[quote=skinsfan69;420158]cause they have nothing better to do.[/quote]

Wrong! It's a billon dollar industry that is suppose to be legit. Do you like paying $80 bucks a least per ticket to see something that is fake? This isn't wrestling...

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[quote=He Hate Me;447598]Wrong! It's a billon dollar industry that is suppose to be legit. Do you like paying $80 bucks a least per ticket to see something that is fake? This isn't wrestling...[/quote]
Ok so they find out that the Pats did cheat. What can they do?

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[quote=Giantone;447571]Hold hearings on why were paying $4 dollars for gas and EXXON has a 10 BILLON dollar profit...........for a fricking quarter! Profit ...thats after they pay for drilling,taxes and exploration!:soapbox:[/quote]
Its called profit margin. They make about 8 cents on every dollar they spend. So if they spent $1 for a gallon of gas in 2000 they made 8 cents now if they spend $2 they make .16 cents. Their profit margin has not changed.

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[quote=firstdown;447609]Its called profit margin. They make about 8 cents on every dollar they spend. So if they spent $1 for a gallon of gas in 2000 they made 8 cents now if they spend $2 they make .16 cents. Their profit margin has not changed.[/quote]

Ok,so you honestly believe they only make 8 cents on the dollar for a gallon of gas?What do you believe is there profit on the rest of the barrel of oil?

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;447592]Why is Comcast in a big lawsuit with the NFL?[/QUOTE]

NFL Network. I believe it's something like the NFL has alleged that Comcast moved the NFL Network to a less accessible digital tier after the NFL didn't give 8 games to Comcast's Versus channel and instead gave it to NFL Network.

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the nfl wanted comcast to put it where ever they would get the most viewers, at the least cost. comcast is saying that since your charging me, to run to your program, im putting it in a sports package. where i can recoup my profit

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[quote=SmootSmack;447705]NFL Network. I believe it's something like the NFL has alleged that Comcast moved the NFL Network to a less accessible digital tier after the NFL didn't give 8 games to Comcast's Versus channel and instead gave it to NFL Network.[/quote]

Well in that case NFL Network should be punished. Especially since they decided to broadcast and NFL Films special on high school football instead of the Bears vs Redskins. And for the record I don't have Comcast, well at least not at college.

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[quote=firstdown;447608]Ok so they find out that the Pats did cheat. What can they do?[/quote]

They can do a number of things... take away the super bowl trophy, take away more draft picks, financial repercussions... who knows, but I don't think that the league can have something that MLB is going through happen to them without a fall out from the fans... or atleast I hope some fal out from the fans.

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[QUOTE=Paintrain;420162]What else is going on for them to spend time on? It's not like there's a pointless war going on or a flailing economy or record foreclosures going on.. Geez, some people are so clueless! ;)

Seriously though, if they were going to waste time on something frivolous, I wish it was spent on ending the writers strike earlier. Having to wait another year for '24' to come back is just un-damn-American!![/QUOTE]

Yea im kinda waiting for Prison Break to return so i have some entertainment to keep me interested until football season

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[QUOTE=Dirtbag359;447737]Well in that case NFL Network should be punished. Especially since they decided to broadcast and NFL Films special on high school football instead of the Bears vs Redskins. And for the record I don't have Comcast, well at least not at college.[/QUOTE]

Why should the NFL Network be punished? NFL broadcasts are not a right. We've been accustomed to them being over the air for free, but 25 years ago championship boxing was on network television, not pay per view or HBO. It's their league, they can do with broadcast rights what they want to. If people don't like it, they have 3 options-get DirecTv, go to a sports bar or STFU and quit bitching about it.

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[QUOTE=Dirtbag359;447737]Well in that case NFL Network should be punished. Especially since they decided to broadcast and NFL Films special on high school football instead of the Bears vs Redskins. And for the record I don't have Comcast, well at least not at college.[/QUOTE]

What are you talking about?

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The NFL is suing Comcast because they charge us customers to have the NFL network the charge fuckin 6 dollars for it

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[quote=Giantone;447704]Ok,so you honestly believe they only make 8 cents on the dollar for a gallon of gas?What do you believe is there profit on the rest of the barrel of oil?[/quote]
Profit margine is incorporates all asspects of their business. I'm sure they loose money in some areas and make larger profits in others. The bottom line is they make around 8 cents on the dollar.

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[quote=firstdown;447851]Profit margine is incorporates all asspects of their business. I'm sure they loose money in some areas and make larger profits in others. The bottom line is they make around 8 cents on the dollar.[/quote]

It's actually around $.10 every year. Doesn't invalidate your point - just being accurate. The point is that the oil companies are maintaining their profit margins because we, as a society, have created a demand that allows them to maintain those margins. It is a bit of a cartel, since there are no alternatives presently.

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[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/27/AR2005102702399.html"]Oil Industry Seeks to Cast Huge Profits as No Big Deal[/URL]

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[quote=He Hate Me;447738]They can do a number of things... take away the super bowl trophy, take away more draft picks, financial repercussions... who knows, but I don't think that the league can have something that MLB is going through happen to them without a fall out from the fans... or atleast I hope some fal out from the fans.[/quote]
Steriods are illegal but I'm not sure if breaking a rule of the NFL is considered illegale by law. My question was not what the NFL could do to the Pats but what congress could do to the pats. I don't think they broke the law only NFL rules which the NFL is responsable for not congress.

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[QUOTE=firstdown;447861]Steriods are illegal but I'm not sure if breaking a rule of the NFL is considered illegale by law. My question was not what the NFL could do to the Pats but what congress could do to the pats. I don't think they broke the law only NFL rules which the NFL is responsable for not congress.[/QUOTE]

Congress cannot and will not do anything which [I]directly [/I]affects the Patriots. Congress can, however, affect the entire NFL by attacking their exemption from antitrust laws. The antitrust exemption allows the NFL to negotiate television contracts on behalf of all teams, rather than forcing each team to do so individually. So, Congress can put pressure on Goodell to punish the Pats or face the loss of the antitrust exemption.

In any case, this is a dead issue barring new evidence of cheating. The NFL wants the matter to go away. The fans are, for the most part, bored with this issue. The Pats have been punished and that's that.

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[quote=SmootSmack;447705]NFL Network. I believe it's something like the NFL has alleged that Comcast moved the NFL Network to a less accessible digital tier after the NFL didn't give 8 games to Comcast's Versus channel and instead gave it to NFL Network.[/quote]

Comcast sucks so bad it's not even funny. I'm so glad they're not getting my business anymore.

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[quote=dmek25;447714]the nfl wanted comcast to put it where ever they would get the most viewers, at the least cost. comcast is saying that since your charging me, to run to your program, im putting it in a sports package. where i can recoup my profit[/quote]

That was the day I said enough of Comcast. They tried to charge me more $ for the NFL Netowrk. But what pissed me off was they tried to hide it with some bullshit package with networks they already gave you in the first place. Total bullshit. I'd rather they just be honest with me and tell me why they are charging me more money. Bastards. They're losing subscribers to Verizon every single day.

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Can someone please close the book on all this spygate nonsense. Enough is enough. It's over and done with. It's sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo time to move on!!!

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[quote=SmootSmack;447757]What are you talking about?[/quote]

Well seeing as most people here live in the Washington/Maryland/Virginia area, seeing Redskin games on a weekly basis is no big deal. But for me it's a rare chance to see my team play in real time. So when I found out during the offseason that NFL Network was going to broadcast the Redskins/Bears game I was excited. Then the day finally came and like any other network NFL Network game they had the pregame show live on site, the players where warming up, and I was thinking man this is awesome.

Then it came time for the game to start but instead of the game there was this NFL Films presentation on High School Football, and I remember thinking maybe it's just a brief pre-game segment, I mean most games don't start exactly at the top of the hour, but then half and hour went by and I started to get ancy. I turned to the preview channel and the listing said "TBA". After a while I realized that I wasn't going to get a chance to see the Redskins game, especailly after seeing the gamecast on NFL.com.

Something like that would never happen with ESPN. I mean can you imagine a local ESPN affiliate broadcasting a rodeo or poker instead of Monday Night Football? I mean granted every MNF game isn't always what it's hyped up to be but still theres an expectation of the fact that you're going to get to see a game.

Ironically I have the same problem with Fox showing rodeo's with 5 people in attendance instead of a second NFL game, even if it's not a Redskin game, I'm still a fan of pro football.

With that said, I think it's about time the NFL developed a league pass to watch games online like Major League Baseball, if they haven't done so already.

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I'm up in Connecticut and I watched the game on NFL Network. I don't understand why it wouldn't be available down in Atlanta

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So I am watching these tapes on NFL Network, and it's the Bills and I think I see GW on the sidelines. Obviously we all knew about these violations but it is kinda interesting.

Also whoever taped these was kinda sleazy, because during the SD game tapes, the videographer spent a good amount of time on the cheerleaders lol.

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Specter just won't let this die, I'm really wondering what his agenda is at this point. Talk about a waste of time and resources. Aren't there more important issues out there right now? Like I don't know, maybe the war, insane gas prices, and rising food prices? :doh:

[url=http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2008-05-14-spector-spygate-probe_N.htm]Specter asks Mitchell-type probe into Spygate - USATODAY.com[/url]