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Maybe a little off topic but why does JLC always need to make mention how hard he's working? There are a lot harder jobs in this world then covering a football team. I am sure he has bad days at the office just like the rest of us but we really don't need to hear him whining every day online.

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[quote=SmootSmack;428602]What do you mean he does something everytime he gets a shot? He started 8 games last year and had 26 catches for 291 yards and 2 TDs. So what exactly does he do?

(As a comparison David Patten started 7 games in 2006 and had 22 catches for 217 yards and 0 TDs.)[/quote]

LOL I'm scratching my head over that one too.

He's never even had a 100 yard game if you can believe it.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;428605]LOL I'm scratching my head over that one too.

He's never even had a 100 yard game if you can believe it.[/QUOTE]

He never had a 100 yard game? That has me 2nd guessing if we should even be bringing him in.

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[QUOTE=celts32;428604]Maybe a little off topic but why does JLC always need to make mention how hard he's working? There are a lot harder jobs in this world then covering a football team. I am sure he has bad days at the office just like the rest of us but we really don't need to hear him whining every day online.[/QUOTE]

You should start writing your posts that way :)

"Well I just put little Celt Jr. to sleep, took a while because he's hopped up on fruit punch Capri Sun. Might want to keep an eye on Bryant Johnson. Ok, that's all I got. I'm beat! Need a break. I'm gonna take a nap now."

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[URL="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6353/gamelog;_ylt=ApDXuJFj7wIFJDqdhWNK4kD.uLYF"]Check out his stats[/URL], very underwhelming. I just quickly scanned through all of his game logs and I didn't see a 100 yard game in there.

Here are his best games by season:

2007: 6-80
2006: 6-82
2005: 6-66-1
2004: 7-54
2003: 6-86

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And ____________ - _____________ is on my iPod right now.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;428610][URL="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6353/gamelog;_ylt=ApDXuJFj7wIFJDqdhWNK4kD.uLYF"]Check out his stats[/URL], very underwhelming. I just quickly scanned through all of his game logs and I didn't see a 100 yard game in there.

Here are his best games by season:

2007: 6-80
2006: 6-82
2005: 6-66-1
2004: 7-54
2003: 6-86[/QUOTE]

We need a trade! This crop of free agent WR's is not going to help us.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;428559]My question is why? They've had similar stats and Caldwell has been healthier than Hackett. I'm not saying either should be a number one, must like SS is saying. But I'm thinking let's not waste money on people like Hackett or Johnson in free agency and let's talk about the draft.[/quote]

Caldwell has been around for several years and I think we've kind of seen what he is going to be. We're his 3rd team?? Good players don't tend of bounce around to 3 teams in 5 years. WR's like Caldwell are a dime a dozen. With Hackett we really don't know yet. I know when he was healthy last year he had some big games. That is why he's kind of on the radar because of his potential. But if we have to give Hacket a new deal and it's going to cost a lot of $ then I say we pass. I'd rather us get a DE and a guard and upgrade the WR's next year.

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[quote=skinsfan69;428614]Caldwell has been around for several years and I think we've kind of seen what he is going to be. We're his 3rd team?? Good players don't tend of bounce around to 3 teams in 5 years. WR's like Caldwell are a dime a dozen. With Hackett we really don't know yet. I know when he was healthy last year he had some big games. That is why he's kind of on the radar because of his potential. [B][I]But if we have to give Hacket a new deal and it's going to cost a lot of $ then I say we pass. I'd rather us get a DE and a guard and upgrade the WR's next year.[/I][/B][/quote]

This is what I'm saying in general. I think that because of the market this year, we're setting ourselves up to pay a lot for someone mediocre. That's why I think Caldwell might come cheaper than Hackett or Johnson.

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I think Hackett has star potential. When healthy the guy produces, he just needs to get over that hump as far as injuries go. Here are some of his big games over the course of his career:

2007:
Week 9: 6-58-1
Week 10: 8-101-1
Week 11: 9-136-1
Playoffs against the Skins: 6-101-1

2006:
Week 12: 5-67-1
Week 14: 4-104-1
Week 15: 8-87
Week 17: 4-63-1

2005:
Week 10: 2-78-1
Week 11: 6-67-1

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;428609]You should start writing your posts that way :)

"Well I just put little Celt Jr. to sleep, took a while because he's hopped up on fruit punch Capri Sun. Might want to keep an eye on Bryant Johnson. Ok, that's all I got. I'm beat! Need a break. I'm gonna take a nap now."[/QUOTE]

That's funny:) I am not a JLC basher either for the most part. I just wish he would stop doing that or at least curtail it...it doesn't come off well IMO.

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[quote=SmootSmack;428595]For Chad Johnson or Roy Williams I'd strongly, strongly consider it. I'd love to get a 4th rounder as well out of it though.[/quote]

I wouldn't even do it for Chad cause all he wants is more $. Roy Williams is the only guy I'd give up the draft pick for cause he's younger. But I'm still not sure I'd give it up for Roy.

Every starter on our O-line is 30+. Look at what happened to KC? They had a top 5 offense for how many years in a row? What happened when their O-line got old? It just killed them. Killed their whole offense cause they had no one waiting in the wings. Larry Johnson can't even get back to the LOS. Who's gonna block for CP when Kendall is out with sore knee's? Who honestly think's Thomas is going to hold up for 16 games? Sorry people, as much as we all want a #1 WR, it's not going to make a bit of difference when JC is lying on his back. We CAN NOT ignore the O-line another year.

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Brandon Albert is looking pretty beast according to the scouts. I wouldn't be unhappy with that pick in the first.

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[quote=skinsfan69;428619]I wouldn't even do it for Chad cause all he wants is more $. Roy Williams is the only guy I'd give up the draft pick for cause he's younger. But I'm still not sure I'd give it up for Roy.

Every starter on our O-line is 30+. Look at what happened to KC? They had a top 5 offense for how many years in a row? What happened when their O-line got old? It just killed them. Killed their whole offense cause they had no one waiting in the wings. Larry Johnson can't even get back to the LOS. Who's gonna block for CP when Kendall is out with sore knee's? Who honestly think's Thomas is going to hold up for 16 games? Sorry people, as much as we all want a #1 WR, it's not going to make a bit of difference when JC is lying on his back. We CAN NOT ignore the O-line another year.[/quote]

the first round belongs on the line for us no doubt. i just hope it's the defensive line first.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;428611]And ____tu_____ - _____pac______ is on my iPod right now.[/quote]

........

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;428621]Brandon Albert is looking pretty beast according to the scouts. I wouldn't be unhappy with that pick in the first.[/quote]

Can't go wrong with UVa alums taken in the 1st/2nd round ... except maybe Jon Harris .... there aren't that many, but they are typically pretty good .... Wahoo Wa :)

2006 1 4 D'Brickashaw Ferguson T New York Jets
2005 1 30 Heath Miller TE Pittsburgh Steelers
2000 1 7 Thomas Jones RB Arizona Cardinals
1999 1 30 Patrick Kerney DE Atlanta Falcons
1998 2 50 Germane Crowell WR Detroit Lions
1997 1 8 James Farrior OLB New York Jets
1997 1 25 Jon Harris DE Philadelphia Eagles
1997 2 34 Jamie Sharper OLB Baltimore Ravens
1997 2 36 Tiki Barber RB New York Giants

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[QUOTE=celts32;428613]We need a trade! This crop of free agent WR's is not going to help us.[/QUOTE]

He's behind Bolden and Fitz! With the edge and Warners broken elbow those numbers are fine. You think he's going to get the first look on that team?

He's a good solid player for a good price we take him and we're fine. Bringing in a huge contract for high draft picks is stupid and not going to happen.

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[quote=QBall;428636]He's behind Bolden and Fitz! With the edge and Warners broken elbow those numbers are fine. You think he's going to get the first look on that team?

He's a good solid player for a good price we take him and we're fine. Bringing in a huge contract for high draft picks is stupid and not going to happen.[/quote]

He was drafted ahead of Boldin in the same year and never able to start over him. He's had plenty of opportunities to start (Boldin and Fitzgerald have missed stretches over the past two years) and never produced like either of them. The way the market is, you will have to overpay to get him. I don't know where you get that he is a "good price", you can't know that and all evidence would point in the opposite direction.

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[QUOTE=SC Skins Fan;428640]He was drafted ahead of Boldin in the same year and never able to start over him. He's had plenty of opportunities to start (Boldin and Fitzgerald have missed stretches over the past two years) and never produced like either of them. The way the market is, you will have to overpay to get him. I don't know where you get that he is a "good price", you can't know that and all evidence would point in the opposite direction.[/QUOTE]

Where you're drafted means nothing. I will admit that Fitz and Bolden are better players, we all will. Just b/c he's on a team with two other pro bowlers and couldn't start in front of them does not take anything away from him.

What receivers have been signed so far in this FA period for huge dollars? Look at Lance Briggs, he tested the market and got no better offers than the Bears original. Its not that you're a FA its the position of need and he's not a NEED for Redskins just a luxury at this point, with our roster and draft picks we can afford to let the market come to us.....

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[quote=QBall;428641]Where you're drafted means nothing. I will admit that Fitz and Bolden are better players, we all will. Just b/c he's on a team with two other pro bowlers and couldn't start in front of them does not take anything away from him.

What receivers have been signed so far in this FA period for huge dollars? Look at Lance Briggs, he tested the market and got no better offers than the Bears original. Its not that you're a FA its the position of need and he's not a NEED for Redskins just a luxury at this point, with our roster and draft picks we can afford to let the market come to us.....[/quote]

Jerry Porter, $30M, $10M guaranteed
Donte Stallworth, $35M, $10M guaranteed
Bernard Berrian, $42M, $16M guaranteed

And, while draft status is not necessarily a predictor of ultimate success, it does give a player a leg-up in getting playing time initially. Players with higher draft status are typically given more opportunities than those from lower draft picks. That was my point.

More imporantly, he was given an opportunity to start eight games in 2007 due to injuries and never produced more than 80 yards and averaged only 39.75 yards. By comparison, in the six games that D.J. Hackett started he had three 100 yard games and averaged 79.66 yards/game.

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[QUOTE=SC Skins Fan;428645]Jerry Porter, $30M, $10M guaranteed
Donte Stallworth, $35M, $10M guaranteed
Bernard Berrian, $42M, $16M guaranteed

And, while draft status is not necessarily a predictor of ultimate success, it does give a player a leg-up in getting playing time initially. Players with higher draft status are typically given more opportunities than those from lower draft picks. That was my point.[/QUOTE]

Ok so not one of those WR are worth their contracts IMO. Lets just pass on Johnson then and draft a damn WR, forget it!!!!!

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;428645]Jerry Porter, $30M, $10M guaranteed
Donte Stallworth, $35M, $10M guaranteed
Bernard Berrian, $42M, $16M guaranteed

And, while draft status is not necessarily a predictor of ultimate success, it does give a player a leg-up in getting playing time initially. Players with higher draft status are typically given more opportunities than those from lower draft picks. That was my point.

More imporantly, he was given an opportunity to start eight games in 2007 due to injuries and never produced more than 80 yards and averaged only 39.75 yards. By comparison, in the six games that D.J. Hackett started he had three 100 yard games and averaged 79.66 yards/game.[/quote]

You should be D.J. Hackett's agent. I'm sold. Send Bryant Johnson back to Buffalo on a Greyhound, and let's fire up Redskins One for Hackett

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;428559]My question is why? They've had similar stats and Caldwell has been healthier than Hackett. I'm not saying either should be a number one, must like SS is saying. But I'm thinking let's not waste money on people like Hackett or Johnson in free agency and let's talk about the draft.[/quote]


you cant just look up this guys stats, he was a number 3 behind two of the best in the game, that doesnt mean anything. The guys never been given a chance becuase of that, but he has all the tools. Two inches a lot apparently because those two inches makes you a lot of money these days. We need a number 2, zorn said he wants el in the slot...

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[QUOTE=SKINSnCANES;428660]you cant just look up this guys stats, he was a number 3 behind two of the best in the game, that doesnt mean anything. The guys never been given a chance becuase of that, but he has all the tools. Two inches a lot apparently because those two inches makes you a lot of money these days. We need a number 2, zorn said he wants el in the slot...[/QUOTE]

I feel like a broken record with this.

Are we forgetting that Johnson was pretty highly regarded coming out of college? He was a 1st rounder. We're not talking about Keenan McCardell barely getting drafted here.

More importantly though, he started nearly half the season each of the last two years and his numbers are hardly staggering.

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I don't want Hackett or Johnson. They both seem like they will be busts to me.

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[quote=SKINSnCANES;428660]you cant just look up this guys stats, he was a number 3 behind two of the best in the game, that doesnt mean anything. The guys never been given a chance becuase of that, but he has all the tools. Two inches a lot apparently because those two inches makes you a lot of money these days. We need a number 2, zorn said he wants el in the slot...[/quote]

Did you not read SC Skins Fan's post? He was given a shot for eight games as a starter last year when Anquan Boldin went down, and he didn't do much. He was also drafted ahead of Boldin back in 2003, so he had a better shot at starting then and producing, but he didn't. Boldin became a pro bowler, and he became a number 3 receiver.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;428668]I don't want Hackett or Johnson. They both seem like they will be busts to me.[/quote]

It's hard to be a bust at 3 or 4 million a year. (Thats the price range that I'm guessing the Redskins will offer).

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First off is it actually confirmed that he is visiting with us. Also i'm getting a Rod Gardner feeling, just a little one though.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;428673]It's hard to be a bust at 3 or 4 million a year. (Thats the price range that I'm guessing the Redskins will offer).[/quote]


Well that is being true, but the way everyone keeps hyping both of them up anything sub-par would be a disapointment to so many.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;428675]Well that is being true, but the way everyone keeps hyping both of them up anything sub-par would be a disapointment to so many.[/quote]

I think your right. A lot of people are hyping whoever (Johnson or Hacket) the Skins bring in at Reciever will be the annointed as the savior of our passing attack.

So in review, I was wrong about DeWayne Robertson and Chad Johnson, and my dreams of Jason Taylor in Maroon and Black seem to be fading into oblivion, but I still stand by my prediction that if the Redskins stay at 21 they will draft Devin Thomas.

Man I'm becoming the Warpath's version of PFT :(

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[quote=Dirtbag359;428677]I think your right. A lot of people are hyping whoever (Johnson or Hacket) the Skins bring in at Reciever will be the annointed as the savior of our passing attack.

So in review, I was wrong about DeWayne Robertson and Chad Johnson, and my dreams of Jason Taylor in Maroon and Black seem to be fading into oblivion, but I still stand by my prediction that if the Redskins stay at 21 they will draft Devin Thomas.

Man I'm becoming the Warpath's version of PFT :([/quote]

Devin Thomas is definitely an option, but I see us taking either a DE or CB on the first WR in the second and then DT in the 3rd.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;428677]I think your right. A lot of people are hyping whoever (Johnson or Hacket) the Skins bring in at Reciever will be the annointed as the savior of our passing attack.

So in review, I was wrong about DeWayne Robertson and Chad Johnson, and my dreams of Jason Taylor in Maroon and Black seem to be fading into oblivion, but I still stand by my prediction that if the Redskins stay at 21 they will draft Devin Thomas.

[B]Man I'm becoming the Warpath's version of PFT[/B] :([/quote]


Dont ever disrespect yourself like that[IMG]http://www.thewarpath.net/images/icons/icon7.gif[/IMG]

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If Bryant Johnson does not cost us much i say do it, our 1st rd pick has to go for DL player or be traded for more picks in later rounds

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[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;428668]I don't want Hackett or Johnson. They both seem like they will be busts to me.[/QUOTE]

Johnson more than Hackett to me

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Dwayne Bowe was drafted by the Chiefs with the 23rd pick in the draft last year and Anthony Gonzalez was choosen 32 overall. I think the crop of WR's this year could leave the skins with an impact player like that next year.

Question: Would you rather potentially have 2008's version of Bowe or (Hackett/Johnson) as your # 2 possesion WR?

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What kills me is we drafted 2 WR in the 2001 Draft above and we missed out on maybe the best WR class ever.

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[QUOTE=DGreene28;428691]What kills me is we drafted 2 WR in the 2001 Draft above and we missed out on maybe the best WR class ever.[/QUOTE]

By my count, just 2 great wideouts came out of that draft (Chad Johnson and Steve Smith). There were a fair number of WR busts in that draft too though (e.g., Freddie Mitchell).

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I remember watching a Cardinals Pre-Season game last season where B. Johnson looked like a gem, a true athlete. Given it was a pre-season game, but I thought to myself that this guy will be good one day. Talking to my friends who are huge 49er fans, they say that everytime Arizona plays them B. Johnson lights it up. He runs good routes, has good hands, and is a big presence in the redzone. I don't know if he will solve our problems, but his potential is still very high. He didn't have the best stats in Arizona, but look who was throwing him the ball, Lienart and Washed up Warner. Pair him up with a good QB and I think good things will happen. Definetly an upgrade over Caldwell in my opinion.

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[quote=mauiRedskinbarn;428706]I remember watching a Cardinals Pre-Season game last season where B. Johnson looked like a gem, a true athlete. Given it was a pre-season game, but I thought to myself that this guy will be good one day. Talking to my friends who are huge 49er fans, they say that everytime Arizona plays them B. Johnson lights it up. He runs good routes, has good hands, and is a big presence in the redzone. I don't know if he will solve our problems, but his potential is still very high. He didn't have the best stats in Arizona, but look who was throwing him the ball, Lienart and Washed up Warner. Pair him up with a good QB and I think good things will happen. Definetly an upgrade over Caldwell in my opinion.[/quote]

You can make an argument for Leinart but my BOY Warner was one of the better QB's in the league last year. Eugene ranked 10th in passer rating this past year.

Anyway glad to here hes a weapon in the Red zone. If anything it always seems like we struggle getting touchdowns in the Red Zone. Hopefully Johnson can cause defenses to split coverage between Cooley and Johnson when the Skins' get inside the 20. Add a Guard that can start right away through the draft (say Brandon Albert?) and we'll be good to go.

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[quote=celts32;428562]In my mind Johnson has a little more upside. He is stuck behind 2 pro bowlers in Arizona. I wouldn't mind Johnson, but I would still rather try and get a trade for a true #1 WR.[/quote]
See, I think Santana Moss is a number 1. I think the Redskins just need a big possesion reciever, and from what I see, Johnson has a lot of upside.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;428693]By my count, just 2 great wideouts came out of that draft (Chad Johnson and Steve Smith). There were a fair number of WR busts in that draft too though (e.g., Freddie Mitchell).[/quote]Reggie Wayne also.