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I'd choose Hackett. Was hoping for a bigger gun at WR like a CJ or Randy Moss just to take the double team off of Santana. Noone should count out Mix as a possible surprise star in 2008!

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[quote=Luxorreb;429369]I'd choose Hackett. Was hoping for a bigger gun at WR like a CJ or Randy Moss just to take the double team off of Santana. Noone should count out Mix as a possible surprise star in 2008![/quote]

Mix's name is coming up on here almost as much as Lavar, Ramsey & Brunell!

Everyone's got their eye on him & hopes he's a diamond in the rough. I sure do. Maybe the coaches are banking on him more than they're letting on. Mix really could be a wild card in the decision making of wr corps.

He hasn't done anything yet, so it would be hard to put a lot of faith in him, but I hope he steps up & gets some playing time at wr.

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I hope people aren't disappointed if Mix doesn't turn out to be anything more than a special teamer/reserve WR. Seems like a lot of high hopes with him.

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[quote=Mattyk72;429450]I hope people aren't disappointed if Mix doesn't turn out to be anything more than a special teamer/reserve WR. Seems like a lot of high hopes with him.[/quote]

:soapbox: Don't you know he's the next Great ! How this guy isn't starting is beyond me ! I mean he can only be the best WR that we've had in this city since,... EVER ! Come on Matty, not just you, but everyone. You HAVE to see the superstar potential in this man. HE PLAYED WITH JASON AT AUBURN FOR CHRIST'S SAKE !!! I mean we simply have to go with this guy. Alas; Vinny and Co., Snyderatto, or whatever we choose to call him today will mess it up. These people obviously can't spot talent, ESPECIALLY in the later rounds of the draft !

:cool-smil this is some good shit !

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I say we let Cooley, Moss, Randle El, and Caldwell go and start the Ecker, Mann, Mix, and Toler era.

And for good measure bring back Nemo and Casey Bramlett

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Bramlet is on the Dolphins' practice squad. He'd cost us. :D

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[QUOTE=Buster;429821]Bramlet is on the Dolphins' practice squad. He'd cost us. :D[/QUOTE]

I know...but we'd just trade them Billy McMullen :)

Re: Zorn and Skins to pursue D. J. Hackett
 

Actually, I'm pretty sure we can sign anybody's practice squad player without compensating the other team.

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DJ Hackett? What the hell is going on here? We've gone from Chad Johnson to this bum? He averaged 30 catches a year. No thanks. I miss the old days of Redskins One already.

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[quote=sbaughone;429852]DJ Hackett? What the hell is going on here? We've gone from Chad Johnson to this bum? He averaged 30 catches a year. No thanks. I miss the old days of Redskins One already.[/quote]

Blasphemy!

Shenanigans!

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[quote=sbaughone;429852]DJ Hackett? What the hell is going on here? We've gone from Chad Johnson to this bum? He averaged 30 catches a year. No thanks. [B]I miss the old days of Redskins One already[/B].[/quote]

Wow.

I sure don't. I'm enjoying the silence.

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[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;429846]Actually, I'm pretty sure we can sign anybody's practice squad player without compensating the other team.[/QUOTE]

It's how we got Anthony Mix isn't it?

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Yeah you can sign anyone off a PS but you have to sign them to your active roster.

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4mill per for hackett. he hasn't really proven enough (And unlike el, we're not bidding against ourselves here).

scheed, i think your position was that WR's weren't very important to winning and losing games, so why do you want to pay a #2 or #3 without great production 6mill/year?

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Anthony Mix FTW, Lol.

I calculated that last year gad Hacket been healthy he would have gained 1,200 yards. Of course that was based on 4 or 5 games as I didn't the first game of the season where he either got injured or didn't start.

I'm seriously worried about his durability, but I'm hoping that having most of the year off helped him get healthy enough to play through an entie season. Also one of my more respected stat guys had this to say aobut our boy

[quote]"Underrated

D.J. Hackett, WR: Hackett actually is still unsigned, so technically, he doesn't count as an underrated signing. But frankly, I am amazed some team hasn't snagged him. According to my estimations, Hackett is the second-best free-agent wide receiver on the market this offseason. I actually had him ranked in front of Berrian after doing a study of their YPA productivity over the past three years.

If you don't believe Hackett is better than Berrian, take a look at their total YPAs during this time:"
Then he displays a table thats hard to copy

"Hackett played only six regular-season games in 2007, while Berrian started 15 games and played all 16. Despite this big difference in games played, Berrian still totaled only 552 more yards over the past three years.

Hackett didn't top Berrian in only overall YPA. Check out their individual route depth totals"

More tables

Hackett topped Berrian in YPA at every depth level and was nearly as productive overall -- even with the 10 games missed this past year. Playing in Seattle's pass-happy system certainly helped Hackett, but a 9.9 overall YPA is quite impressive, no matter the circumstances. Hackett has the highest upside of any free agent left on the market, regardless of position.[/quote]

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Hackett sure looked great against Springs et al in the playoffs. Seemed to know Springs' game & exploited his inside coverage tactics.

It's always a concern when a guy can't play many games & there's always the 'playing for a contract' motivation, some guys step it up just to get a deal but can't maintain that level.

I like Hackett overall, but I would rather draft a couple wr's at this point. I don't think we need or can expect much production from a rookie in year 1, but if he could crack the lineup by mid season as the #2 I think that would be a major accomplishment. Drafting a couple & bringing some undrafted free agents in, increses the chances that we find one good one.

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It doesn't appear any interest at picking up D.J. either. Or maybe the dollars are just going to have to drop for us to make a run at him.

With whats left out there you would have to think we are going to or are in the process of making a play at a big WR however that might be....? Or no move at all. IMO before we pay to much for the couple of guys that are still being talked about on the market ( that noboby is picking up), I would just as well keep Moss, Are,Thrash, Reche, McCardell, Mix in their current roles in which we are trying to fill with this possible WR FA. And use a middle round draft pick for a WR pick, it appears the WR depth in the draft is decent.

[url=http://www.thenewstribune.com/sports/seahawks/story/301734.html]Hackett could return to Seahawks | TheNewsTribune.com | Tacoma, WA[/url]

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[QUOTE=Dirtbag359;430215]Anthony Mix FTW, Lol.

I calculated that last year gad Hacket been healthy he would have gained 1,200 yards. Of course that was based on 4 or 5 games as I didn't the first game of the season where he either got injured or didn't start.

I'm seriously worried about his durability, but I'm hoping that having most of the year off helped him get healthy enough to play through an entie season. Also one of my more respected stat guys had this to say aobut our boy[/QUOTE]

first off, this is my first time here. i like the look of the site and overall attitude of the threads i've read. my hats off to those that run the place.



i read Joyners comments before. it's nice to see someone with a little knowledge sees what i see. :D

i mean, the guy produces- when he's on the field, that is. that cant even be a question. he's nowhere near being a 'bum' or 'average'. i dont think you can just look at his numbers at the end of a year and come to a conclusion about his talent or potential.

football outsiders broke down hacketts games from 2006 and had him ranked 15th overall, but [B]#2 in the entire NFL [/B]in defense adjusted value. i think thats pretty impressive.

i'm not saying pay him 20 mil, but this guy is clearly a very good WR, he's familiar with Zorn and the system, he's available, and he will likely come at a 'reasonable', bargain price.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan_nn;430257]It doesn't appear any interest at picking up D.J. either. Or maybe the dollars are just going to have to drop for us to make a run at him.

[/QUOTE]

i've come up with a theory about that. having absolutely no idea how negotiations work, i'm thinking that the skins contacted hacketts agent (which they reportedly have), told him they are interested but that they won't break the bank. so they said 'see what interest you get from other teams, and when you get an offer, maybe we can beat it and we'll talk numbers at that time'.

i say this because if the skins didnt have any interest at all, they wouldnt have contacted him. zorn knows the guy, after all, so its not like he's thinking about whether or not he likes him. so i think zorn wants him, and (he and ceratto) is/are going about it smartly.

crazy??

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It would be stupid to sign a receiever that we already have 3 that fits his mold.Got to get a possesion receiver for that 3rd and 7.

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I'm concerned about his injury history. I think if he were to sign for a more modest price that allowed us to sign another veteran receiver as well, it might be better.

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[QUOTE=Oakland Red;430521]I'm concerned about his injury history. I think if he were to sign for a more modest price that allowed us to sign another veteran receiver as well, it might be better.[/QUOTE]

on the surface, it looks like injuries could be a problem with him. but i'm not sure. his rookie season he was hurt, he was relatively healthy the next 2, then last year he had a high angle sprain which bothered him all season- he got hurt in the first game, missed a bunch after that, came back and played great for 4 games, then reaggravated it. james thrash had the same injury in week 11, missed the next 4 games, came back and reaggravated it during dallas week 17 and missed the wild card game. same exact thing as hackett, and we know how hard thrash works to stay in shape.

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look, hackett might be great in per game production, but the fact that he misses a lot of games can't be overlooked either.

i think we're still looking at roy williams and 85, and hackett may be the fall back option. getting either one of those guys without destroying our draft picks is going to be hard though.

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[quote=BradEdwardsHitsLikeaTrain;430531]on the surface, it looks like injuries could be a problem with him. but i'm not sure. his rookie season he was hurt, he was relatively healthy the next 2, then last year he had a high angle sprain which bothered him all season- he got hurt in the first game, missed a bunch after that, came back and played great for 4 games, then reaggravated it. james thrash had the same injury in week 11, missed the next 4 games, came back and reaggravated it during dallas week 17 and missed the wild card game. same exact thing as hackett, and we know how hard thrash works to stay in shape.[/quote]

This is a really good post (and welcome to the board).

It's tough to separate the guys who are actually injury prone vs the ones who simply had rotten luck. This was the first time Hackett has missed significant number of games in a season. In years past, he's just missed a couple each season. Maybe he's not super durable, but he doesn't really strike me as the Ken Griffey Jr. of the NFL either.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;430552]This is a really good post (and welcome to the board).

It's tough to separate the guys who are actually injury prone vs the ones who simply had rotten luck. This was the first time Hackett has missed significant number of games in a season. In years past, he's just missed a couple each season. Maybe he's not super durable, but he doesn't really strike me as the Ken Griffey Jr. of the NFL either.[/QUOTE]

thanks, scheed.

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According to the Washington Times ([url=http://video1.washingtontimes.com/redskins/]The Washington Times, America's Newspaper[/url]), Hackett is visiting on Wednesday.

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JLC confirms the same info on D.J. making a visit to Washington:

[URL="http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/"]Redskins Insider[/URL]

[B]Posted at 4:52 PM ET, 03/10/2008[/B]

[B]Seahawks WR to Visit Redskins[/B]

[FONT=Times New Roman,times,serif] [I]This just in from the Jasons:[/I]
Free agent wide receiver [B]D.J. Hackett[/B] is scheduled to arrive in the Washington area on Wednesday to meet with the Redskins.
While the Redskins are usually quite active in free agency, Hackett will be the first free agent to visit with the team since the period opened Feb. 29.
"We'll take a look and see if there's something that can work there," said Vinny Cerrato, Washington's executive vice president of football operations. "It's got to work for both sides, so we'll see what happens."
At 6 feet 2 and 208 pounds, Hackett, 26, could provide a big target for quarterback Jason Campbell. Hackett has played for the Seattle Seahawks since entering the league in 2004, and new Redskins coach Jim Zorn previously worked as the Seahawks' quarterbacks coach.
"We've said we'll look at any player who can help us improve as a team," Cerrato said. "Whether it's free agency, trades or the draft, we're going to do everything we can to get better."
Limited to only six games last season because of a high-ankle sprain, Hackett had 32 receptions for 384 yards (a 12.0-yard average) and three touchdowns in the regular season. He played a key role in the Seahawks' 35-14 victory over the Redskins in the first round of the NFC playoffs, catching six passes for 101 yards and one touchdown.
He has best season in 2006, setting personal marks with 45 catches for 610 yards (a 13.6-yard average) and four touchdowns. In his career, Hackett has 105 receptions for 1,394 yards (a 13.3-yard average) and nine touchdowns.
Hackett's agent has been talking with other teams, but has no other visits planned at this time.
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yay! economy deal, or just not ridiculous please.

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I say sign him to a prove it deal like the Patriots do. First year low numbers then a Roster bonus due if he performs well. If not Oh well it was just a one year signing with a minimal cap hit in the next year. If it does work out we got a receiver who can play to complement Moss and ARE.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan242;430863]I say sign him to a prove it deal like the Patriots do. First year low numbers then a Roster bonus due if he performs well. If not Oh well it was just a one year signing with a minimal cap hit in the next year. If it does work out we got a receiver who can play to complement Moss and ARE.[/QUOTE]
Why do people think that free agents are going to take a bs deal like that? He's out to get the most he possibly can from whomever will give it to him.

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Where is this Anthony Mix nonsense coming from? Does he come up big in Madden or something? Are we talking about the same Mix who has 3 catches in 3 years in the NFL? The same guy who had 288 yards receiving his Senior years and 294 yards his Junior year? Is this what we've come to around here?

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[QUOTE=Paintrain;430870]Why do people think that free agents are going to take a bs deal like that? He's out to get the most he possibly can from whomever will give it to him.[/QUOTE]

Good point...I don't think we have what it takes to convince a player to take a one year deal....I mean the Patriots can do that b/c they are contender...and b/c Dark Lord of the Sith Darth Hoody can convince them to do so. I hope they are able to sign him to a good deal.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan242;430863]I say [B]sign him to a prove it deal like the Patriots [/B]do. First year low numbers then a Roster bonus due if he performs well. If not Oh well it was just a one year signing with a minimal cap hit in the next year. If it does work out we got a receiver who can play to complement Moss and ARE.[/QUOTE]

Sure. The Skins are totally in a position to dictate the terms to the guy. (note heavy sarcasm). The Pats get to say "come here and play for a Championship NOW." The Skins say "Please come here, we have a new and unproven coach but we think we might be able to pull a wild-card berth."

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please Lord don't let them sign him!

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[quote=redwagonskins;430877]Sure. The Skins are totally in a position to dictate the terms to the guy. (note heavy sarcasm). The Pats get to say "come here and play for a Championship NOW." The Skins say "Please come here, we have a new and unproven coach but we think we might be able to pull a wild-card berth."[/quote]

Ok. Buddy, you're right we can't dictate terms at all. I have a few questions. does Hackett have a Job? Has he got what he wants to date? Where else has he visited? Thank you.

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[quote=Paintrain;430870]Why do people think that free agents are going to take a bs deal like that? He's out to get the most he possibly can from whomever will give it to him.[/quote]

Who said anything about a BS deal? In a prove it deal you still get more than the minimum and you have a chence to get alot of money. A receiver who sees that there is not a BIG market for him and he needs to prove he can stay healthy would be a fool not to take one. But you're right the Skins have no leverage.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan242;430901]Who said anything about a BS deal? In a prove it deal you still get more than the minimum and you have a chence to get alot of money. A receiver who sees that there is not a BIG market for him and he needs to prove he can stay healthy would be a fool not to take one. But you're right the Skins have no leverage.[/QUOTE]

What is a 'prove it' deal? He's not coming off of a career (or even season) threatening injury, legal or lockerroom troubles or anything negative. What is he having to "prove"? Kinda silly to think he'd be a fool not to take a substandard deal (especially with the $$ floating around out there) in week 3 of free agency..

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[QUOTE=skinzaholic73;430882]please Lord don't let them sign him![/QUOTE]

why not? what if they can get him cheap?

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[quote=Paintrain;430905]What is a 'prove it' deal? He's not coming off of a career (or even season) threatening injury, legal or lockerroom troubles or anything negative. What is he having to "prove"? Kinda silly to think he'd be a fool not to take a substandard deal (especially with the $$ floating around out there) in week 3 of free agency..[/quote]

He hasn't played a FULL season yet. It is simply a deal structured that he would get about $2.5 million guaranteed including first year salary, then he would have a roster bonus of say $5-10 million for next year that can be spread over the rest of his six year contract or we can cut him and eat about $500,000 to a Million in dead cap. He would count about $1.5 this year and if he plays well he gets a big bonus and will be here awhile. It is a little risk but he is still goin gto get about $2.5 million for one year.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan242;430899]Ok. Buddy, you're right we can't dictate terms at all. I have a few questions. does Hackett have a Job? Has he got what he wants to date? Where else has he visited? Thank you.[/QUOTE]

First, take a breath.

Second, he's a free agent; he wasn't fired.

Third, the Bills, TB, the Titans, the Skins and of course Seattle, have all expressed interest. While I don't have his travel itinerary on hand, it's not as if the guy is driving a beer truck.

Fourth, you're welcome. Have a great evening. :)