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You guys keep mentioning Harrington...I'd honestly put him ahead of Collins (with a new offensive system) on the depth chart.

Collins is not going to be able to repeat last season's performance if he has to play next season. The only reason he was successful is because he calls those plays in his sleep and knew where the receivers would be before they started moving. New offense, he loses his comfort level and effectiveness.

Of course, he proved me wrong last year, but him in a new offense is not a good idea.

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It seems like most people want to use a late round pick on a #3 QB on here. But we are collectively crazy if we think we are getting Booty with a late round pick. He will go third round at worst and i doubt we will spend a #3 pick on our 3rd QB.

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[quote=Buster;429817]You guys keep mentioning Harrington...I'd honestly put him ahead of Collins (with a new offensive system) on the depth chart.

Collins is not going to be able to repeat last season's performance if he has to play next season. The only reason he was successful is because he calls those plays in his sleep and knew where the receivers would be before they started moving. New offense, he loses his comfort level and effectiveness.

Of course, he proved me wrong last year, but him in a new offense is not a good idea.[/quote]

I think people seriously underestimate Collins.

The transition to this new system shouldn't be too hard for him. First off he's a very sharp guy. Second, a WCO system would seem to be a perfect fit for his skill set. Third, he does have some WCO experience from earlier in his career prior to Saunders arriving in KC.

There's this myth that he's only played under Saunders for some reason, but he started off in Buffalo in a different system and he was in KC before Saunders got there.

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Link: [URL="http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/02/todd_collins_is_back_and_happy.html"]Todd Collins Is Back, And Happy About It - Redskins Insider[/URL]

Collins, 36, has long been linked to former associate head coach Al Saunders, but said he had two years in the West Coast offense run by Zorn prior to Saunders's arrival in Kansas City. He's not as well versed in that offense as he is in Saunders's, but Collins is super-smart - for real, dude is big-time smart - and he'll catch on quickly.

"The terminology will be a little bit different," Collins said, "but I have some experience with the terminology. Before Al and Dick (Vermeil) came to KC for two years I was there in the same type of system we're running now, with the same language. So I'm pretty familiar with a lot of the plays and protections, and you hear all the time that a lot of the plays being run around the league are pretty similar, they just call them different thing. I don't think I'll have a hard time grasping it all."
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I am available?

Does anyone really care who the 3rd string QB is? If our 1st and 2nd string QB go down history tells us that we'll go down the shitter. I'm all for drafting a scrub QB in 7th round and hoping he turns out to be a gem.

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Draft Kevin O'Connell.I think he'll be a great 3rd string..maybe even 2nd stringer someday.

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the kid from Hawaii

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[quote=redskinsfanatic;429633]i know brunnel is gone now.any ideas on who our 3rd string qb is gonna be next year???[/quote]
Brunnel is meeting with the Saints today according to the Times Picayune.

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[quote=Redskin Jim;431029]Brunnel is meeting with the Saints today according to the Times Picayune.[/quote]

ESPN reports it too. The Packers are also going after him.

[QUOTE][B]The Brunell lottery[/B]:Redskins quarterback [B]Mark Brunell[/B] is scheduled to visit the Saints Tuesday to be considered for a possible backup job. Several teams have inquired about Brunell, but the Saints, who were actively looking at [B]Trent Green[/B], seem to be among the most aggressive in looking at Brunell. Brunell has been training hard. He's lost about 10 pounds, and he's working hard on strengthening his legs. The

Packers are one of the teams considering Brunell. They have to make a decision now that [B]Brett Favre[/B] retired. Do they want an experienced hand like Brunell, or do they want a quarterback in his fourth or fifth year to back up [B]Aaron Rodgers[/B]? General manager Ted Thompson is thinking through that question.[/QUOTE]

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[quote=Buster;431035]ESPN reports it too. The Packers are also going after him.



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It is a sad day for Quarterbacks and the NFL when Mark Brunell is a hot commodity, even for a backup. Disagree with me or blast me all you want, but Brunell does not have longevity.

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[quote=Buster;429817]You guys keep mentioning Harrington...I'd honestly put him ahead of Collins (with a new offensive system) on the depth chart.

Collins is not going to be able to repeat last season's performance if he has to play next season. The only reason he was successful is because he calls those plays in his sleep and knew where the receivers would be before they started moving. New offense, he loses his comfort level and effectiveness.

Of course, he proved me wrong last year, but him in a new offense is not a good idea.[/quote]

I tend to think if a guy can play QB then who cares what system he is in? Is there really going to be a drastic difference in the plays that were ran last year, and the ones that will be run this year? Probably not. It's just different terminology. Both systems require getting the ball out fast with good timing between the wr and qb. The biggest difference we'll probably see is the tempo of the offense.

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[quote=skinsfan69;431037]I tend to think if a guy can play QB then who cares what system he is in? Is there really going to be a drastic difference in the plays that were ran last year, and the ones that will be run this year? Probably not. It's just different terminology. Both systems require getting the ball out fast with good timing between the wr and qb. The biggest difference we'll probably see is the tempo of the offense.[/quote]I actually agree with both you and Buster here. A system is just a system. It does not define how successful any player can be in it, just how the success will or will not be achieved. Collins' success in Saunders' system should translate just fine to Zorn's. It's not a big deal.

I don't think Collins would be able to repeat his form from last year in Saunders', or any other system. While he's clearly a lot better of an option than Joey Harrington, I was surprised that we were willing to give him 3 mil a year to bring him back.

I mean, you want to get a veteran presence behind Campbell, but only great players seem to be able to remain competent beyond Collins' current age. If Collins was destined to be a great player in this league, who just never got his chance, that speaks very ill of the scouting system in the NFL today--worse than anything I have ever said about it.

More likely, TC isn't a great player, but a pretty good one with a very strong potential for failure here in his twilight years and beyond, especially given the expectations he set for himself last year.

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[QUOTE=diehardskin2982;430730]the kid from Hawaii[/QUOTE]

The only problem i've had with colt brennan is that he has a puny arm, he will just be one of those third stringers that will never get any playing time (Sam Hollenbach) cough... cough

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IMO, grab whichever QB Bucs let go. Simms, Garcia, Plummer, Grotowski.... Any of them are more than worthy of 2nd string, let alone 3rd.

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[QUOTE=rypper11;431243]IMO, grab whichever QB Bucs let go. Simms, Garcia, Plummer, Grotowski.... Any of them are more than worthy of 2nd string, let alone 3rd.[/QUOTE]

Yeah Gruden seems to have this obsession with old QB's. I think he is missing out on alot of young talent and Grotowski and/or Simms would be an asset to our QB corps.

Dont be surprised to see Brunell in a Tampa uniform next season either.

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Bring Ramsey back!

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[QUOTE=SeanTaylor21;431204]The only problem i've had with colt brennan is that he has a puny arm, he will just be one of those third stringers that will never get any playing time (Sam Hollenbach) cough... cough[/QUOTE]

Yeah, but Sam Hollenbach wasn't highly touted like Brennan was. Sorry, gotta defend my fellow Terp.

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[QUOTE=Redskins_P;431254]Bring Ramsey back![/QUOTE]

I wouldn't even be mad if they did bring Ramsey back.

He never got a fair shake here in DC.

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[quote=Redskins_P;431254]Bring Ramsey back![/quote]

Go home. Go home, go home, go home, go home.

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[quote=SeanTaylor21;431204]The only problem i've had with colt brennan is that he has a puny arm, he will just be one of those third stringers that will never get any playing time (Sam Hollenbach) cough... cough[/quote]

Have you been watching the same Colt Brennan that I have. His arm isn't that puny.

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God if we play our 3rd string QB we're in some serious trouble.

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Kevin O'Connell,Colt Brennan or Bernard Morris

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[QUOTE=angryssg;432051]Have you been watching the same Colt Brennan that I have. His arm isn't that puny.[/QUOTE]

Did you see some of his terrible throws in Senior Bowl, there was this one go route and he just kept holding the ball and when he released if fell about 10-20 yards behind the wide reciever, that was just one of his bad throws, and also there was nobody even getting close to sacking or pressuring him.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;429672]Maybe we'll just roll with 2 QBs and save the extra roster spot for another position.[/QUOTE]

Alot of teams use 2 QB then have an emergency QB to save a roster spot.
We could have Randle El as the emergency QB.
Seriously!

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[QUOTE=30gut;432170]Alot of teams use 2 QB then have an emergency QB to save a roster spot.
We could have Randle El as the emergency QB.
Seriously![/QUOTE]

I think that they definitely make El the emergency QB, and maybe we could stock up with some vet LB, CB, or a safety.

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Gus Fuerotte :)

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[quote=SeanTaylor21;432110]Did you see some of his terrible throws in Senior Bowl, there was this one go route and he just kept holding the ball and when he released if fell about 10-20 yards behind the wide reciever, that was just one of his bad throws, and also there was nobody even getting close to sacking or pressuring him.[/quote]


I would call that inexperience with those recievers and waiting too long to launch it. It could have also just been a bad throw, but his arm isn't that bad.

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Dixon, Woodsen, and Brennan all three were great QB's at thier respected schools in thier own respected divisions. Woodsen and Brennan both came from very weak divisions and when faced with teams that were "good", they folded like card tables. All three are undersized, lack awareness, and do not come close to having the caliber of talent needed to be a starter in the NFL. There are certain people on this site who think that we can draft one of these three and put them under JC and an inexperienced in the WCO Todd Collins and when the stakes are high, a Tom Brady will emerge to save the day, and our future. Well people, this is a great dream to have, but not one of the three named will even crack a starting lineup in the NFL. They were all great QBs in the college level and should be commended for that. To whomever takes the chance on any of these guys I wish the best of luck but as a fan of the Skins, I hope we stray away from them. We need veteran depth and someone who has played in the WCO on the NFL level. The only time we should be drafting a QB is when we know JC is not going to work and he can help develop a solid rookie who has shown the durability and fundemental skills needed to make it in the NFL.

P.S. Did anyone see Dixon in Richmond when he played for the Braves minor league team? If he does not succeed in the NFL, he will make it in the MLB IMO.

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[QUOTE=SkinsFanSince91;431283]I wouldn't even be mad if they did bring Ramsey back.

He never got a fair shake here in DC.[/QUOTE]

Or New York, or Denver or ....

Okay, sorry, I was just stirring the pot. Hey, it's the offseason and it seemed to me taht we were running low on our Ramsey, Arrington quotient.

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[QUOTE=Stuck in TX;432522]Dixon, Woodsen, and Brennan all three were great QB's at thier respected schools in thier own respected divisions. Woodsen and Brennan both came from very weak divisions and when faced with teams that were "good", they folded like card tables. All three are undersized, lack awareness, and do not come close to having the caliber of talent needed to be a starter in the NFL. There are certain people on this site who think that we can draft one of these three and put them under JC and an inexperienced in the WCO Todd Collins and when the stakes are high, a Tom Brady will emerge to save the day, and our future. Well people, this is a great dream to have, but not one of the three named will even crack a starting lineup in the NFL. They were all great QBs in the college level and should be commended for that. To whomever takes the chance on any of these guys I wish the best of luck but as a fan of the Skins, I hope we stray away from them. We need veteran depth and someone who has played in the WCO on the NFL level. The only time we should be drafting a QB is when we know JC is not going to work and he can help develop a solid rookie who has shown the durability and fundemental skills needed to make it in the NFL.

P.S. Did anyone see Dixon in Richmond when he played for the Braves minor league team? If he does not succeed in the NFL, he will make it in the MLB IMO.[/QUOTE]

How is Andre Woodson undersized, he is 6'5 225lbs, same as JC here is a link of Positives, negatives,and compares to of Andre :[url=http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/andre%27-woodson?id=334&campaign=gsi_g]NFL Events: Combine Player Profiles - Andre' Woodson[/url]
LOL, it say's he's compared to JC at the bottom, just like I said before.

As for Dennis Dixon he's not really undersized he just needs to bulk up a bit, he's 6'4 205lbs, heres his combine analysis thing:[url=http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/dennis-dixon?id=748&campaign=gsi_g]NFL Events: Combine Player Profiles - Dennis Dixon[/url], it says he compares to Warren Moon.

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okay, you got me on undersized... but JC played at AUBURN and was UNDEFEATED there. Woodson played for KENTUCKY! He was in a weak conference and is in no way ready for the NFL. You can look at what the "experts" say all day long but what I am saying is based solely on my opinion. Taking a chance on a slightly bright diamond in a HUGE rough is just too risky for me. As far as Dixon goes... Warren Moon? HA!!! now that is funny. He has the physical ability but again lacks the fundementals, and more importantly the durability needed to make it in the NFL. The "experts" can say all day that he in the next Warren Moon, or that Homo in the next Favre, or that Pat Ramsey is the next Terry Bradshaw, or blah blah blah blah..... Dennis Dixon in the next Dennis Dixon plain and simple. If he turns out to be good, I hope you let me know but until then I am sticking to what I have determined based upon what I have seen in the NCAA.

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[QUOTE=Stuck in TX;432681]okay, you got me on undersized... but JC played at AUBURN and was UNDEFEATED there. Woodson played for KENTUCKY! [B]He was in a weak conference[/B] and is in no way ready for the NFL. You can look at what the "experts" say all day long but what I am saying is based solely on my opinion. Taking a chance on a slightly bright diamond in a HUGE rough is just too risky for me. As far as Dixon goes... Warren Moon? HA!!! now that is funny. He has the physical ability but again lacks the fundementals, and more importantly the durability needed to make it in the NFL. The "experts" can say all day that he in the next Warren Moon, or that Homo in the next Favre, or that Pat Ramsey is the next Terry Bradshaw, or blah blah blah blah..... Dennis Dixon in the next Dennis Dixon plain and simple. If he turns out to be good, I hope you let me know but until then I am sticking to what I have determined based upon what I have seen in the NCAA.[/QUOTE]

You do know Kentucky is in the SEC the toughest conference in the NCAA the same as Auburn, LSU, Alabama, Florida & Arkansas right?

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Oh, you mean THAT Kentucky??? I thought you meant the other one. lol.....

Still, they fizzled late and I am still not a believer in Woodsen in the NFL.

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[QUOTE=Stuck in TX;432681]okay, you got me on undersized... but JC played at AUBURN and was UNDEFEATED there. Woodson played for KENTUCKY! He was in a weak conference and is in no way ready for the NFL. You can look at what the "experts" say all day long but what I am saying is based solely on my opinion. Taking a chance on a slightly bright diamond in a HUGE rough is just too risky for me. As far as Dixon goes... Warren Moon? HA!!! now that is funny. He has the physical ability but again lacks the fundementals, and more importantly the durability needed to make it in the NFL. The "experts" can say all day that he in the next Warren Moon, or that Homo in the next Favre, or that Pat Ramsey is the next Terry Bradshaw, or blah blah blah blah..... Dennis Dixon in the next Dennis Dixon plain and simple. If he turns out to be good, I hope you let me know but until then I am sticking to what I have determined based upon what I have seen in the NCAA.[/QUOTE]

Um, I just wanted to point out that you were wrong on the undersized thing, not make you flip out and right with a bunch of caps stuff.

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[QUOTE=Stuck in TX;432690]Oh, you mean THAT Kentucky??? I thought you meant the other one. lol.....

Still, they fizzled late and I am still not a believer in Woodsen in the NFL.[/QUOTE]

What other Kentucky?

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[QUOTE=SeanTaylor21;432700]What other Kentucky?[/QUOTE]


that was me putting my foot in my mouth...

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It doesnt matter too much who we pick for the job, as long as brunell stays healthy after campbell goes down.

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[QUOTE=Campbell17;432712]It doesnt matter too much who we pick for the job, as long as brunell stays healthy after campbell goes down.[/QUOTE]

Do you mean Todd Collins?

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[quote=SeanTaylor21;432713]Do you mean Todd Collins?[/quote]

it'd be one hell of a long walk from new orleans would'nt it?:food-smil

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[quote=30gut;432170]Alot of teams use 2 QB then have an emergency QB to save a roster spot.
We could have Randle El as the emergency QB.
Seriously![/quote]

that wouldn't be too bad of an idea if Collins were young. But given his age, they need to think about developing a backup. Collins has at least 2 more years probably, so if they draft a 3rd stringer this year he's got a year to learn if JC & TC don't both get hurt.