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[quote=hooskins;430951]Lady Brave I think more of it has to do with the reputation hessy carry about constantly making every issue into a male bashing one.[/quote]
Well, I'm the type that feels we should debate the topic at hand. I'm not concerned about past opinions expressed. Take a person's comments for what they are at the present.

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[QUOTE=Lady Brave;430950]Ok... and she used the words "are often corrupted", not "always". However, when you read the responses, you would have thought she said the latter. To say that it's just as likely for a woman with power to screw around as a man with power would, is disingenuous. Men are driven by sex far more than women. For every one woman of influence that has been caught in an indescretion, I could produce the names of fifty men.

Not that this conversation really matters to me one way or the other. My experience on this board is that we cannot have any meaningful discussions about male/female relationships, so I usually avoid them when they come up.

However, I've grown tired of the hypocrisy around here. Whenever a female member makes any type of negative comment about men in general on this board, in comes the swarm. How many threads or comments have you seen on this board that degrade, objectify or complain about women? On the other hand, how many threads or comments do we have, expressed by women, that do the same? Little to none. I also find it hypocritical on the part of some of our male members to cry male bashing when women are repeatedly referred to as ho's, bitches, sluts and chicken heads (my fav), when being described on this board, even when it's not warranted. I guess those are considered modern terms of endearment now.

With that said, it matters not to me whether the men here are truly cognizant of their offensive behavior. Generally, I stay out of conversations that offend me and I typically do not call out other members. But I've honestly had enough. What's good for the goose is definately not good for gander around here.[/QUOTE]

You make good points. But reactions to her comments don't necessarily need to be seen as man vs. woman. For example, I responded to her general generalizing (if that makes sense), nothing really deeper than that.

But it should be noted that, as hooskins says, your previous reputation does carry weight here. Fair or not, it does. Had you made those initial comments the reaction would have been much different. That it came from someone who just a few months ago swore to never return here and incorrectly believing people were conspiring against her triggered a different response from many here.

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[quote=Lady Brave;430950]Ok... and she used the words "are often corrupted", not "always". However, when you read the responses, you would have thought she said the latter. To say that it's just as likely for a woman with power to screw around as a man with power would, is disingenuous. Men are driven by sex far more than women. For every one woman of influence that has been caught in an indescretion, I could produce the names of fifty men.

Not that this conversation really matters to me one way or the other. My experience on this board is that we cannot have any meaningful discussions about male/female relationships, so I usually avoid them when they come up.

However, I've grown tired of the hypocrisy around here. Whenever a female member makes any type of negative comment about men in general on this board, in comes the swarm. How many threads or comments have you seen on this board that degrade, objectify or complain about women? On the other hand, how many threads or comments do we have, expressed by women, that do the same? Little to none. I also find it hypocritical on the part of some of our male members to cry male bashing when women are repeatedly referred to as ho's, bitches, sluts and chicken heads (my fav), when being described on this board, even when it's not warranted. I guess those are considered modern terms of endearment now.

With that said, it matters not to me whether the men here are truly cognizant of their offensive behavior. Generally, I stay out of conversations that offend me and I typically do not call out other members. But I've honestly had enough. What's good for the goose is definately not good for gander around here.[/quote]

Maybe we can't have a conversation about male/female relationships in which we can vent on men because besides me, you (Lady Brave) and Hess, there really ARE no daily active women on here besides us. How are you going to complain about men TO a bunch a of men? I'm not saying the Hess' statements aren't correct, but I think it's kind of a pipe dream to say, "Men of power have the tendency to cheat" and then have the men not back up their own?

To me LB, the statement "Men are driven by sex far more than women" says that men are pretty much slave to their animal tendencies and thus cannot be expected to be monogamous. Which, while some are, most aren't. Everyone has the urge of instant gratification but like I said in a previous post, fighting that urge is dependent on the will of the individual. And that sexual urge is the same in males and females. Why do you think kids are getting pregnant younger and younger these days? They haven't developed that resistance yet.

As a woman, I throw around the term, "ho" and I call my female friends (those who I know don't care about the word) "bitch" and yes, it has become a term of endearment and though it probably shouldn't, that's just what it's come down to, because we as a people have become desensitized to the words.

But I have nothing against Hess' comments, after learning about feminism, I support it (some of it). I don't know Hess' background of "male-bashing" but of course when you're stating an opinion about males, to males, expect a little support and a lot of backlash.

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[quote=SmootSmack;430955]You make good points. [B]But reactions to her comments don't necessarily need to be seen as man vs. woman[/B]. For example, I responded to her general generalizing (if that makes sense), nothing really deeper than that.[/quote]
Yes it does, considering the majority of those who responded negatively were men. There were very few exceptions. No one has yet to explain why they didn't have a problem with saden1's comments.

[quote]But it should be noted that, as hooskins says, [B]your previous reputation does carry weight here.[/B] Fair or not, it does. Had you made those initial comments the reaction would have been much different. That it came from someone who just a few months ago swore to never return here and incorrectly believing people were conspiring against her triggered a different response from many here.[/quote]
It's pretty easy to gain a good reputation when you rarely confront those who offend you. Perhaps I turn a blind eye too much.

I'm not concerned with hess' past at the moment and I'm not here to speak for her. I've just noticed an all to familiar pattern here and felt I should address it.

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I think this thread achieved a record for the fastest thread to go straight to hell.

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[QUOTE=Lady Brave;430962]Yes it does, considering the majority of those who responded negatively were men. There were very few exceptions. No one has yet to explain why they didn't have a problem with saden1's comments.[/QUOTE]

Well the ratio of men to women here is pretty high, so it's not surprising that the majority of responses would come from me.

Now I can't speak for others, but to me the difference between Saden's comments and Hess' were that Hess seemed to say this was a serious problem particularly with "men in power". And my feeling was that's oversimplifying things. But it was nothing personal against her.

[QUOTE]It's pretty easy to gain a good reputation when you rarely confront those who offend you. Perhaps I turn a blind eye too much.

I'm not concerned with hess' past at the moment and I'm not here to speak for her. I've just noticed an all to familiar pattern here and felt I should address it.[/QUOTE]

You've earned your good reputation, don't be modest about it.

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[quote=SmootSmack;430970]Well the ratio of men to women here is pretty high, so it's not surprising that the majority of responses would come from me.

Now I can't speak for others, but to me the difference between Saden's comments and Hess' were that Hess seemed to say this was a serious problem particularly with "men in power". And my feeling was that's oversimplifying things. But it was nothing personal against her.[/quote]

Well, looking back through the thread, there were only two or three responses that contained the words bashing and haterade. Perhaps I keyed in on those responses the most. I still stand by what I said though. I didn't have a problem with anything you said. You were the only one who was truly trying to create any type of meaningful dialogue.

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How could he cheat on his wife? She was pretty hot. She looks like a more mature Jennifer Anniston.

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Lady Brave,

I actually didn't see saden's comments when I responded to hess' post. No offense to hess, but I sometimes feel that she makes sweeping generalizations about men and labels nearly all of us as adulterous and unprincipled. Not to pick on her, but had you or DynamiteRave posted the exact same thing I probably would have read the post and simply moved on.

I certainly didn't mean to make a big deal out of hess' comments. I'm sorry that we're even discussing this. I also want to apologize if I've made dumb, immature posts that objectify women or turned a blind eye when others have.

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Thanks SGG. I'm really not as worked up over this as I might sound. No apology necesssary.

I just wanted to remind people that given the amount of generalizations expressed about women on this board from day to day, you guys shouldn't be so shocked and appalled when one of us fights back a little bit. ;)

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This is a non story. Sex is legal, selling is legal. Why is selling sex illegal?

Who is the victim here? What great loss has occurred, that will justify the money the FBI will spend to find out whether or not this guy got his pole waxed?

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I'm sure his wife and kids don't think it's a "non story"

Either way, let's not kid ourselves, had this been Elliott Spitzer (R-New York) you'd be ranting and raving.

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I take exception to that. His party has nothing to do with it, I didn't think that guy in the airport bathroom was a big deal either and he was republican.

I just think what 2 (or more) adults do behind closed doors is their business, as long as no one else is hurt. I think we have too many laws on the books that have no purpose other than to regulate morality.

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[quote=Lady Brave;430962]Yes it does, considering the majority of those who responded negatively were men. There were very few exceptions. No one has yet to explain why they didn't have a problem with saden1's comments.


It's pretty easy to gain a good reputation when you rarely confront those who offend you. Perhaps I turn a blind eye too much.

I'm not concerned with hess' past at the moment and I'm not here to speak for her. I've just noticed an all to familiar pattern here and felt I should address it.[/quote]

If you have a problem with my comments don't beat around the bush, spit it out. If you don't have a problem with it then I don't see why anyone else has to.

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I didn't have any problem whatsoever with what you said, but one could interpret your comments as sweeping generalizations which is what hess was accused of. If hess had made the comment, "it just goes to show you that men will go to any lengths for a piece of ass", she most likely would have gotten pummeled for it.

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[quote=angryssg;430977]How could he cheat on his wife? She was pretty hot. She looks like a more mature Jennifer Anniston.[/quote]

To quote his mentor, Bill Clinton: "Because I could."

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[QUOTE=angryssg;430977]She looks like a more mature Jennifer Anniston.[/QUOTE]

Good call on that! She really does.

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[quote=Buster;431024]To quote his mentor, Bill Clinton: "Because I could."[/quote]

Bill I can understand, he was married to Hillary. Splitzer has no excuse.

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[quote=angryssg;431027]Bill I can understand, he was married to Hillary. Splitzer has no excuse.[/quote]

Sure he does. He's a scumbag.

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[quote=Buster;431047]Sure he does. He's a scumbag.[/quote]

Hypocrite maybe, but I cannot believe that he is a complete scumbag. He just made a very huge mistake that has ruined his political career.

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[QUOTE=angryssg;430977]How could he cheat on his wife? She was pretty hot. She looks like a more mature Jennifer Anniston.[/QUOTE]

Imagine the hottest women you can think of...somewhere there is a man that is tired of having sex with her.

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[quote=celts32;431059]Imagine the hottest women you can think of...somewhere there is a man that is tired of having sex with her.[/quote] I think that statement can go both ways. There are always ways to keep things interesting.

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Quite frankly, I want to know just what a woman has to do to justify $5,500/hour. I mean, I know I've been removed from the multiple partner scene for some time now, but I have had some pretty remarkable "experiences" in my day. As for those that did not have some additional emotional tie - there is not one that I would pay that kind of money for.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;431065]Quite frankly, I want to know just what a woman has to do to [B]justify $5,500/hour[/B]. I mean, I know I've been removed from the multiple partner scene for some time now, but I have had some pretty remarkable "experiences" in my day. As for those that did not have some additional emotional tie - there is not one that I would pay that kind of money for.[/quote]

You're paying a premium for a brand name?

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[quote=JoeRedskin;430868]Catherine the Great, Elizabeth I. Both had several lovers and pretty much killed or imprisoned them after they were through with them.[/quote]

Awesome! .. that's great to know!

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[QUOTE=angryssg;431060]I think that statement can go both ways. There are always ways to keep things interesting.[/QUOTE]

Yea but if that were the case hot women would never get cheated on and all the divorced women would be ugly.

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Well I went back to see how CNN reported this and also the Larry Craig story and here is a link to both. I'm just making the comparison to show media bias.
[url=http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/11/spitzer.money/index.html]Sources: Money transfers spurred Spitzer probe - CNN.com[/url]
Funny they never mention his party.
[url=http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/08/27/craig.arrest/index.html?iref=newssearch]Senator pleaded guilty, reportedly after bathroom stall incident - CNN.com[/url]
Craig story Republican party was second word of story.

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[quote=hooskins;430951]Lady Brave I think more of it has to do with the reputation hessy carry about constantly making every issue into a male bashing one.[/quote]

[COLOR=black][COLOR=black]This is BS, and NOT true. I do NOT "constantly make every issue into a male bashing one". That is totally false and total CRAP. What I do DO is not let people insult me and try to put me down – I stand my ground – which isn’t received very well in a male dominated board, and it always ends up coming back to me male bashing (cry me a river). This topic is about a man of power, that is married, that screwed whores. I'm commenting on THAT TOPIC - Period. You don't have to like what I say about it, but don't you dare post this crap about how this is all I do all day long on these boards! If you have a personal opinion of me then feel free to IM me and tell me all about it, ok? I’d love to chat it up. [/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]I find it quite comical how threatened you all can be by a strong woman with an opinion that sticks up for herself! [/COLOR]
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[quote=Lady Brave;430962]It's pretty easy to gain a good reputation when you rarely confront those who offend you. Perhaps I turn a blind eye too much. .[/quote]

You speak the truth..... and thanks for your efforts in backing me up Lady Brave.

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This conversation is very interesting and entertaining.

Look, I'm not a big Spitzer fan by any stretch of the imaginaton but at the end of the day here's a guy - a man - that has to put his life back together. And whether we take exception to his actions or not, there should at least be a shred of sympathy for him and his family.

It's so convenient for us to get on a board, disect one's personal life, provide commentary and cast judgement. Whether it's male bashing or female bashing, what we're really doing is human bashing. Look, this guy screwed up - big time. But let's not make him out to be the worst individual of all time.

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[quote=celts32;431075]Yea but if that were the case hot women would never get cheated on and all the divorced women would be ugly.[/quote]

I think you misunderstood. I am sure that even women get tired of having sex with the same guy no matter how good he looks. That is why things must be kept interesting.

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[quote=angryssg;431081]I think you misunderstood. I am sure that even women get tired of having sex with the same guy no matter how good he looks. That is why things must be kept interesting.[/quote]

This made me think of one of my dad's favorite sayings:

Women want everything from one man

Men want one thing from every women

Obviously this is intended to be a joke.

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[quote=mredskins;431082]This made me think of one of my dad's favorite sayings:

Women want everything from one man

Men want one thing from every women

Obviously this is intended to be a joke.[/quote]

Not far from the truth though.

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[quote=hesscl34;431078][COLOR=black][COLOR=black]This is BS, and NOT true. I do NOT "constantly make every issue into a male bashing one". That is totally false and total CRAP. What I do DO is not let people insult me and try to put me down – I stand my ground – which isn’t received very well in a male dominated board, and it always ends up coming back to me male bashing (cry me a river). This topic is about a man of power, that is married, that screwed whores. I'm commenting on THAT TOPIC - Period. You don't have to like what I say about it, but don't you dare post this crap about how this is all I do all day long on these boards! If you have a personal opinion of me then feel free to IM me and tell me all about it, ok? I’d love to chat it up. [/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]I find it quite comical how threatened you all can be by a strong woman with an opinion that sticks up for herself! [/COLOR]
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With all due respect, I do not find you a "strong woman" by any means. In my honest opinion you seem to be very insecure and almost all your comments take shots at people or groups of people. To me it is a sad cry for attention which honestly makes me feel like vomiting.

I don't know why this cannot be discussed here, because as SS said your previous statements leave an impression whether it be right or wrong. Just as you might think I am an immature douchebag who will become a typical "man", I think you are an insecure person and both those impressions come from previous posts.

I consider Lady Brave a "strong woman" for bringing up her concern in a proper way and backing up her points with rational arguments. And I agree with SS that if she brought up the point before you did I would definitely not call her out because I respect her intention of posts and I am sure many will agree.

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[quote=Lady Brave;430994]Thanks SGG. I'm really not as worked up over this as I might sound. No apology necesssary.

I just wanted to remind people that given the amount of generalizations expressed about women on this board from day to day, you guys shouldn't be so shocked and appalled when one of us fights back a little bit. ;)[/quote]

I totally understand what you mean, and I am not surprised. Like I had said before it is more about who brought it up and the intention of their post.

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This is WEIRD...

Spitzer and his wife at the press conference following getting caught in adultery, then McGreevy and his wife at the press conference following getting caught in GAY adultery:

[img]http://www.foxnews.com/images/root_images/031108_DRESSESFORSCANDAL.jpg[/img]

[SIZE="2"][i]Coincidental? Silda Wall Spitzer, right, with husband Eliot, and Dina Matos McGreevey, with husband Jim, chose similar press conference outfits.
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[quote=hooskins;431086]With all due respect, I do not find you a "strong woman" by any means. In my honest opinion you seem to be very insecure and almost all your comments take shots at people or groups of people. To me it is a sad cry for attention which honestly makes me feel like vomiting.

I don't know why this cannot be discussed here, because as SS said your previous statements leave an impression whether it be right or wrong. Just as you might think I am an immature douchebag who will become a typical "man", I think you are an insecure person and both those impressions come from previous posts.

I consider Lady Brave a "strong woman" for bringing up her concern in a proper way and backing up her points with rational arguments. And I agree with SS that if she brought up the point before you did I would definitely not call her out because I respect her intention of posts and I am sure many will agree.[/quote]

OH GOD! You took the hess drama bait.

I agree with you. I just tend to believe it is best to ignore her.

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I can't believe this thread has gotten bogged down in a gender debate.

We all know the important question is, "What does a $5,500 hooker look like and what exactly does she do to justify said rate?"

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Anyone else think I should close this thread in the interests of site harmony?

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;431095]Anyone else think I should close this thread in the interests of site harmony?[/QUOTE]

Nah. The "interests of site harmony" have never been a real concern before, why start now?

;)