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IF Pacman gets it then a 5th round pick would be a steal. "IF" to me is the biggest factor. He reminds me of Ricky Williams and others that had the talent, but never really realized what they had.

His track record shows that he doesn't understand and believe he will
do it again.

Sean Taylor is a prime example of a kid that needed to mature and finally
woke up. Unfortunately he didn't get to fully realize his potential. Pacman doesn't understand how lucky he really is.

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Well there's always the small chance that he comes back and isn't the same player as before. I'm saying this because people that have been away and not practicing from the game come back and don't always adjust well, i.e. Jamal Lewis after he served his 4 month prison term. And besides, who's to say Goodell is gonna reinstate him? He could suspend him for another season just to prove his point.

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[quote=mooby;434021]Well there's always the small chance that he comes back and isn't the same player as before. I'm saying this because people that have been away and not practicing from the game come back and don't always adjust well, i.e. Jamal Lewis after he served his 4 month prison term. And besides, who's to say Goodell is gonna reinstate him? He could suspend him for another season just to prove his point.[/quote]Great point.

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I offer no commentary about fans speculation of a player who merits his bad reputation, but remember that in a war the other side is always the worst of people till they join your side.
I hate the cowboys but I actually think he will do well were he goes. However unpopular this opinion is.
The skins should not think of adding Pac to the team as we finally have a great core of players to mold into a major outfit that will compete over the years.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;433807]Wow, the Cowboys LOVE pieces of absolute f-ing garbage. Tank Johnson, then him? Seriously, I'd be embarrassed if the Redskins were after people like this.[/quote]


This is just sums up the Cowboys and what they are all about.... makes me sick.

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[quote=mooby;434021]Well there's always the small chance that he comes back and isn't the same player as before. I'm saying this because people that have been away and not practicing from the game come back and don't always adjust well, i.e. Jamal Lewis after he served his 4 month prison term. And besides, who's to say Goodell is gonna reinstate him? He could suspend him for another season just to prove his point.[/quote]

[COLOR=black]I think there needs to be some level of responsibility to the public here. There are so many young kids growing up playing sports and seeing these guys as their heroes. Do really want them thinking "well, if I screw up bad I can still come back and make it based on my talent alone?" .. In my opinion, I think the NFL needs to lock this kind of behavior up and ban these guys.[/COLOR]

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Well we need to jump all over this. If we can sign him cheap it will be worth it. People can change. Rodger and Smoot need help out there. I never liked springs. He has been burnt too many times...

We also need a OT.!!! bad.... Watch the Seattle game in the playoffs. Who got beat all day long and put a beating on collins. We never had time to throw the ball. Heir is a good backup but our original starters when not hurt are getting old... We need a OLineman that can handle fast speed rushers....

All in all, focus on cornerback and a defensive line man (DE/Tackle) and most importantly an OT / OG that can play both....we have depth at linebacker... blades is kick butt good.. We can pick up another safety and focus on OL/DL/WR pickup pacman and we will be good to go for the superbowl :)

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You never liked Springs. What don't you like about him exactly? Dallas can sell there soul and get this idiot if they want, who cares!

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I say use a 5th and given him a chance. Make it clear if he screws up in the slightest, we will let him join Lawrence Phillips on the unemployment line.

And dont get me started on the OL in the Seattle game! :madani:

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[QUOTE=dmek25;433986]attitude issues aside, he is easily worth the gamble of a 5th round pick. if he suddenly "gets" it, could be a pro bowler. the boy can flat out ball. just needs to grow up alittle. some grow up faster then others. on the other hand, if he never matures, all that is lost is a late round draft pick.[/QUOTE]

Talent issues aside, Heath Shuler was the greatest QB in 'Skins history.

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I wouldn't give up any less than a fifth rounder for him, or if he really showed that he has changed I would give a fourth rounder for him but nothing more.

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we should trade picks for players, not prepositions (IF).

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[quote=lwiedy;434047]Talent issues aside, Heath Shuler was the greatest QB in 'Skins history.[/quote]
huh?

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[QUOTE=dmek25;434068]huh?[/QUOTE]

I think he meant [I]congressman[/I].

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I see where Pacman wants to play for New England. The guy is all about the limelight.
He just has too many issues, even for a low round pick. The kid needs the Comish to
reinstate him, so IF he was smart he would keep his mouth shut. He just needs to take whatever opportunity is afforded.

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This is why i HATE the Cowboys... always looking for skills/talent AND THEN character.
+ Jerry Jones thinks he can control these thugs, when all he is doing is giving gangsters a pat on the back and a fat paycheck.I'm just glad to see he's helping the NFL's image while simultanously giving fans A-W-E-S-O-M-E role models.LOL

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[QUOTE=dmek25;434068]huh?[/QUOTE]

I really didn't think this was going to need translation, but saying "attitude issues aside" with Jones is just as ridiculous as saying other than the fact that Shuler sucked, he was a great QB.

Attitude issues have been the central theme in the professional career of this guy, to discuss him with "attitude issues aside" would be nonsensical considering the only reason he is available in the first place is because of ATTITUDE ISSUES.

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[QUOTE=lwiedy;434096]I really didn't think this was going to need translation, but saying "attitude issues aside" with Jones is just as ridiculous as saying other than the fact that Shuler sucked, he was a great QB.

Attitude issues have been the central theme in the professional career of this guy, to discuss him with "attitude issues aside" would be nonsensical considering the only reason he is available in the first place is because of ATTITUDE ISSUES.[/QUOTE]

ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.... gotcha.

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[quote=lwiedy;434096]I really didn't think this was going to need translation, but saying "attitude issues aside" with Jones is just as ridiculous as saying other than the fact that Shuler sucked, he was a great QB.

Attitude issues have been the central theme in the professional career of this guy, to discuss him with "attitude issues aside" would be nonsensical considering the only reason he is available in the first place is because of ATTITUDE ISSUES.[/quote]
let me ask you something. can Adam Jones change his attitude? or for that matter, can anyone change their attitude? this has been done a million times over. especially when big money is involved. now, part 2 to the question. could Heath Shuler turn into a pro bowl quarterback? i don't think so. you only have so much talent to work with. no matter how hard he worked, he would have mediocre, at best. this was a very dumb analogy. and right now, if Jones would get his head on straight, he would easily be the best corner on the redskins

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Looks like Pac Man may be reinstated in the next couple of weeks according to Clayton

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[quote=SmootSmack;434202]Looks like Pac Man may be reinstated in the next couple of weeks according to Clayton[/quote]

I can forgive a lot of things. But Pac Man was with the guy who shot a man that will never walk again. Pac Man knows who this guy is and won't give him up to the police. I watched that piece on Real Sports and I just can't get it out of my head. Yet Vick gets two years in jail for sponsoring a dog fighting ring? Where is the freakin justice?? Roger G. shouldn't let this hood rat back in the NFL. Let him play in Canada.

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[quote=skinsfan69;434322]I can forgive a lot of things. But Pac Man was with the guy who shot a man that will never walk again. Pac Man knows who this guy is and won't give him up to the police. I watched that piece on Real Sports and I just can't get it out of my head. Yet Vick gets two years in jail for sponsoring a dog fighting ring? Where is the freakin justice?? Roger G. shouldn't let this hood rat back in the NFL. Let him play in Canada.[/quote]
I hear ya'

Wasn't Ray Lewis in a very similar situation several years ago? Except it was actually a murder?

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Lewis got off and seemed to just be in the wrong place at the wrong time, some people will never let it go.

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[quote=Mattyk72;434433]Lewis got off and seemed to just be in the wrong place at the wrong time, some people will never let it go.[/quote]

Plus, Lewis (unlike Jones) did not continue to go to the wrong places on a regular basis after getting in trouble.

Pacman went to a strip club before visiting the Commish for a meeting about giving him another chance...after being told not to go near those places by the Commish.


If you are THAT stupid and have that little respect for employers, authority and the law, you don't deserve another chance.

But, in Dallas, it never matters.

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T.O. + Tank Johnson + Pacman Jones = Recipe for disaster...

2008-9 Cowboys: When keepin it real goes wrong!

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[quote=Rajmahal33;434482]T.O. + Tank Johnson + Pacman Jones = Recipe for disaster...

[B]2008-9 Cowboys: When keepin it real goes wrong[/B]![/quote]

LOL nice

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It's one of those things where I would not want him in D.C., but I would also prefer he not end up in Dallas. The guy has shown himself as little more than a criminal going back to his WVU days, but he is also a game changing player. He was dominant in 2006 for the Titans. I understand the laughter at thoughts of Dallas acquiring him, but if (somehow) he could walk the straight-and-narrow he would be a whole heck of a lot better than the now departed Jacque Reeves or Anthony Henry.

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;434654]It's one of those things where I would not want him in D.C., but I would also prefer he not end up in Dallas. The guy has shown himself as little more than a criminal going back to his WVU days, but he is also a game changing player. He was dominant in 2006 for the Titans. I understand the laughter at thoughts of Dallas acquiring him, but if (somehow) he could walk the straight-and-narrow he would be a whole heck of a lot better than the now departed Jacque Reeves or Anthony Henry.

[yt]FMdIOZxzgPs&feature[/yt][/quote]I wouldn't worry about him making an immediate impact after being out of football for a year.

Players who are totally out of the game for a year (not playing in NFL Europe, the AFL, or the CFL), are certain to have development problems.

If a player has already peaked, then retires and comes back, it doesn't seem to hurt them that bad. Deion Sanders was fine, Testeverde was relatively fine, Flutie also.

But if they miss an entire year while in their development stage (think Mike Williams, Maurice Clarett, Jeremy Bloom) where they just don't play any football, then the effects tend to be devastating. Pac Man at least played in college and then two years in the NFL, so he probably won't be totally useless in a year or two, but I would bet you my house that Pac Man will never ever be as good as he was in 2006.

So, let the Cowboys have him. The development curve for him will be pretty killer, and if he can develop again into a No. 2 corner and doesn't ever get in to trouble again, then he's probably worth a 5th round pick. But those are a pair of pretty big ifs. If this guy gets arrested again, he's done.

And if Dallas starts him this year at CB, I think Jason Campbell should run up the score on them by picking on him all day.

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I just think that, from a football standpoint purely, a 5th rounder for Pac Man Jones is a horrible trade for Dallas. So here's hoping.

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I think our team should not even bother (which looks like they won't) with this guy. If the cowgirls get him and he works out good for them, and if not, well they knew wha tthey were getting into. I think after the whole Lloyd fiasco, we need to stop gambling on head cases that are unproven. And while Pacman might have been a good player with the Titans, he has been out of football for a year and to me that's unproven.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;434692]I just think that, from a football standpoint purely, a 5th rounder for Pac Man Jones is a horrible trade for Dallas. So here's hoping.[/QUOTE]

By the way, I heard this morning that it may actually be a 4th round pick. Likely a 4th rounder in 2009 I believe.

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Let Dallas take him, it's not like he's a shutdown #1 type of corner anyway.

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I heard clips of Jones from Michael Irvin's radio show yesterday. Not only does he sound like he has an IQ of about 12, but he said he has no regrets. NO REGRETS? Are you serious? You were involved in multiple police cases including a shooting that left a man paralyzed, and you lost millions of dollars by getting suspended for a year, and you have no regrets?? I wish this guy would just go away. I hope Dallas strip clubs beef up their security. What a joke. He makes my skin crawl. As does Michael Irvin by the way.

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Yeah I've heard him talk too, definitely not the brightest bulb that's for sure.

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[QUOTE=dmek25;434100]let me ask you something. can Adam Jones change his attitude? or for that matter, can anyone change their attitude? this has been done a million times over. especially when big money is involved. now, part 2 to the question. could Heath Shuler turn into a pro bowl quarterback? i don't think so. you only have so much talent to work with. no matter how hard he worked, he would have mediocre, at best. this was a very dumb analogy. and right now, if Jones would get his head on straight, he would easily be the best corner on the redskins[/QUOTE]

I guess the problems with analogies are they are only as effective as the reader is coherent. AGAIN, I am not comparing anything between Shuler and Jones, nothing between talent and attitude. The analogy was to show that “putting attitude aside” in regards to Jones was simply ridiculous. It is the key issue of his availability. To ignore it is to be a fan, not someone responsible for an organization.

I am retiring from this thread (no matter what nonsensical reply follows) only because the basic premise is I dislike obnoxious punks, no matter how talented. I wish to be proud of my team and it has nothing to do with W-L’s. Victory without honor is hollow. Your standard is quite obviously different.

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[quote=SmootSmack;434736]By the way, I heard this morning that it may actually be a 4th round pick. Likely a 4th rounder in 2009 I believe.[/quote]What would kill them about this trade is the oppertunity cost associated with the deal. If you have Pac Man, you are going to play him. If you play Pac Man, at least in 2008, he's going to get roasted over an open fire.

Yeah, the guy is only going to be 25, and maybe he has matured, but you are getting a guy who hasn't played football in over a year and a half and is re-developing some raw skills.

I can't wait to play Dallas, if they make this deal.

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[QUOTE=riggins44;433975]Even for a 5th or 6th round pick, Pacman is too much of a risk. He has a lot of potential on the field. I just worry about off the field problems and what he'll do to a locker room.

Now nothing would make me happier than see Cowboys locker room implode from him
and TO.[/QUOTE]

then get your popcorn ready to watch the show...

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Yeah, Dallas is exactly what he needs :rolleyes:

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Pac Man is just one of those dudes that can always con someone into believing he's seen the light but will always be in the middle of some sh*t.. Let Dallas take on that headache.. Wade Phillips, AKA Grimace, won't know how to handle Jones.. It'll be fun watching them fall apart at the seams..

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I concur, Paintrain. Just hope that light he sees is a train at the other end of the tunnel.