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where talking about practice...practice..man practice...its only practice..don't act like you wouldn't take CJ because of this because you'll be lying to yourself. Its like saying i wouldn't roll in the sack with jessica alba because i'm married..its practice..a voluntary practice

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People are always very hard on people like CJ, Randy Moss, and T.O....and yeah they can be jerks at time, but they are talented jerks. Unlike talentless or unproven jerks (like former Redskins Brandon Lloyd for example). People come down on CJ and forget that:

A.) He hasn't had any troubles with the law, unlike a crapload of his team mates
B.) The Bengals are not necessarily a model organization in the NFL

I think the same thing could be said of Randy Moss (playing for a dysfunctional team like the Raiders before he went to NE) and T.O. (who just wanted to get paid, but the Eagles are cheap and didn't want to pay him).

The Bengals should trade him if he doesn't want to play there, and who wouldn't? Would you want to play for a team where half of the team has discipline issues and end up in trouble with the law? And if he is available at the right price, we should get him, because unlike Lloyd, he's a proven receiver that would automatically upgrade our offense and make us a great team.

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;434706]People are always very hard on people like CJ, Randy Moss, and T.O....and yeah they can be jerks at time, but they are talented jerks. Unlike talentless or unproven jerks (like former Redskins Brandon Lloyd for example). People come down on CJ and forget that:

A.) He hasn't had any troubles with the law, unlike a crapload of his team mates
B.) The Bengals are not necessarily a model organization in the NFL

I think the same thing could be said of Randy Moss (playing for a dysfunctional team like the Raiders before he went to NE) and T.O. (who just wanted to get paid, but the Eagles are cheap and didn't want to pay him).

The Bengals should trade him if he doesn't want to play there, and who wouldn't? Would you want to play for a team where half of the team has discipline issues and end up in trouble with the law? And if he is available at the right price, we should get him, because unlike Lloyd, he's a proven receiver that would automatically upgrade our offense and make us a great team.[/QUOTE]

I agree with that mostly, but I dunno about calling the Eagles cheap they gave Asante Samuel 6 years 57 million.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;434535]So in your mind, it's OK to ask for a trade on SEVERAL occasions, and on SEVERAL occasions be told "NO", and then still go around and act like a baby?
I am OK with him wanting out, what I am not OK with is that his team said no way, you have a contract, on several occasions, and he is still acting like a baby.
What he is doing is childish. He is in effect saying "I'm not getting my way, so I will continue to bitch and moan until I get my way." You are endorsing that behavior?[/QUOTE]

To piggyback on your comment, when he first got the contract, he talked about how happy he was to be a Bengal and that he'd "never forget what the Bengals did for" him. Now, he wants out. Give me a break!

Oh, and I definitely DON'T want Pacman here.

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1) If Johnson comes available on draft weekend the Redskins will try to make a deal, so it is too early to say "we stayed away from him".

2) I also think Laron Landry, among a few others, was not at the open of Redskins voluntary workouts.

3) I'd prefer that players show, and most do, but this is the modern NFL I guess. If owners keep caving to player demands for trades then these things will just keep happening.

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[QUOTE=SeanTaylor21;434718]I agree with that mostly, but I dunno about calling the Eagles cheap they gave Asante Samuel 6 years 57 million.[/QUOTE]

You are correct, and I actually should have said that they were cheap back then, not now when they spent a ton of money for Samuel.

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I've been 100% opposed to trading for Chad since the rumors first began to fly. The guys is 30+, will likely want a new deal, will take one or two high draft picks to get, is selfish, routinely pulls dumb stunts that incur yellow flags, and got into a physical altercation with his coach. Yeah, sounds real enticing. He's not a Pacman Jones, but he's certainly TO-esque.

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;434842]I've been 100% opposed to trading for Chad since the rumors first began to fly. The guys is 30+, will likely want a new deal, will take one or two high draft picks to get, is selfish, routinely pulls dumb stunts that incur yellow flags, and got into a physical altercation with his coach. Yeah, sounds real enticing. He's not a Pacman Jones, but he's certainly TO-esque.[/QUOTE]

And don't forget about his argument with Carson Palmer that was captured on national TV -- even though they were arguing about an interception that turned out to be Ocho Stinko's fault because he ran the wrong pattern.

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who cares , this has nothing to do with the redskins because we didnt sign him. Players always skip volantary workouts. When they skip mini camps then we can make a big fuse about it.

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[quote=jsarno;434336]Wasn't that a contractual issue. I don't fully recall.

I have always hated when players whine to get thier way, doesn't matter who it is. You signed a contract, and a lucrative one at that...be a man and honor it.[/quote]
Well teams have a way of getting out of deals when its in their best interest. So that goes both ways.

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Chad Johnson is just what we need, a big time WR. I would give up multiple picks for him, he's worth it!

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[url=http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/23808816/]SN: Bengals should trade Chad Johnson ASAP - NFL - MSNBC.com[/url]

[B]Bengals should trade Chad Johnson ASAP[/B]
Unhappy star WR wants out, and his trade value never will be higher

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I say let this saga drag out until training camp, by then the Bengals will be begging to get rid of him and we can hopefully get them to accept a lowball offer. Do you think we could get him for a 2nd and 3rd in next years draft? I'd do that in a heartbeat.

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This is funny. Everyone is argueing/discussing their point like all of a sudden everyone will agree their oppinion. LOL. Everyone has good points but I doubt we will have any effect on what the Skins do. Would I like to have CJ, yes because we need a tall proven WR and he is that. However could he be a locker room problem, yes. I guess it's a chance some people are willing to take and some aren't.

On Extreme skins someone posted us looking at a RB draft prospect. My first thought was to see what the Bengals needed to see if there was possibly a gentlemans agreement in regards to drafting a RB for them in exchange for CJ. Wouldn't you know it they drafted a RB last yr that tore his ACL last yr and did not play. I wonder if they are worried he will not be back in 100% and are thinking trade. Maybe CJ pays back some of his money like Lavar did and that helps the Bengals eat some of that 8 mill they will lose and get two 1st rounds this yr. Possibly a DE and a RB from us either one we already have or drafting one for them.

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Non issue w/ the voluntary offseason program.

I will say though CJ is "going all in" as coach Fassel would say. He wouldn't get nearly the bad pub if he would shut up a little. He's on every program everywhere demanding a trade-saying he's disrespected-not appreciated. Maybe he could have went about it a different way, but hey, too late now. His chips are all in. I can see both sides of it.

I'd handle it a different way though. Maybe talk to your coaches/FO and try to work it out. Worst case...i'd play at Cinci for my weak, measly salarly and do the best i could.

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[QUOTE=firstdown;434877]Well teams have a way of getting out of deals when its in their best interest. So that goes both ways.[/QUOTE]

Please give me an example.
For instance, if Portis sucked last year, we could not dissolve his contract, he will still get paid. He can be released, but he will still be paid, sure not the entire contract, but a significant chunk. These are not ways of getting out of contracts, these things are written IN THE CONTRACT. So please give me an example of how a team can "get out of a deal".

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Lavar Arrington.....

Simply put make their life a living hell and they will ask for a trade.

Pacman....

Simply put team trades with Dallas for a pick and player and now they are stuck with the contract.

T.O. ?
S.Moss when he was with the Jets.

I thought the Jets had a lineman who was disgruntaled they traded away for a pick.

Jake Plummer to Tampa which never materialized.

Maybe I'm wrong with some of these but these are ways to get out of a contract. As long as the other team agrees to the contract. I also belive that some players have
RE-NEGOTIATED their contracts to fit what the other team is looking for to facilitate the trade for cap reasons. I thought we have done a couple of these.

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[QUOTE=SBXVII;435409]

I thought the Jets had a lineman who was disgruntaled they traded away for a pick.


[/QUOTE]

It was Pete Kendall, he's on our team...

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[QUOTE=PSUSkinsFan21;434419]Honestly, I just don't understand where the support for the comments come from that this is at all "typical" of Chad Johnson, or that he's up to the same "old antics"? When has anything like this ever happened before with CJ? His work ethic is unquestionable and I don't recall him ever holding out before (and this isn't even holding out.....it's not showing up for voluntary workouts). I'm the first guy to jump all over loudmouth crybabies in the NFL, [B]but I don't see anything in CJ's history to indicate that this is typical behavior for him[/B]. He obviously has a beef with the team and his contract, but I don't recall that ever happening before. Just my opinion.[/QUOTE]

By his own admission, he had to be separated from Marvin Lewis at halftime of the 2005 playoff game vs. Pittsburgh because he didn't like how he was being used....AND THEY WERE WINNING AT THE TIME!!! Now do you see something in his past about his behavior?

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Guys.... dont worry about it, we are not getting Chad.

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Ok, lock it up....Chris has spoken.

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[QUOTE=chrisl4064;435545]Guys.... dont worry about it, we are not getting Chad.[/QUOTE]

I hope not, This guy is being a baby and he and Pacman Jones are the LAST thing we need here.

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I see that you're new to the NFL. Welcome, I guess..

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What an insult to the bengals, skipping a voluntary workout! He probably had to do something for charity, o wait, he isn't nice.

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[QUOTE=Campbell17;435708]What an insult to the bengals, skipping a voluntary workout! He probably had to do something for charity, o wait, he isn't nice.[/QUOTE]

Also, he would never give money away. He is so greedy.

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[quote=J.Campbell;436059]Also, he would never give money away. He is so greedy.[/quote]
Its all in his teeth lol.

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[QUOTE=Campbell17;436071]Its all in his teeth lol.[/QUOTE]

[IMG]http://www.whodeyfans.com/uploaded_images/Chad-752609.jpg[/IMG]

Matching earrings, very nice.

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Anyone listen to the phone interview with Chad on ESPN?

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[QUOTE=Gtothearry;436987]Anyone listen to the phone interview with Chad on ESPN?[/QUOTE]

not yet, I just heard a very small part of it. It made him sound like a prick...wait "sound like"???? :D

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I'm really getting tired of hearing him, but I guess that's his goal. He's trying to whine is way right out of Cincy.

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[QUOTE=Gtothearry;436987]Anyone listen to the phone interview with Chad on ESPN?[/QUOTE]

Just listened to the whole thing.
Seriously, can somebody tell me why athletes refer to themselves in the 3rd person?
"Chad needs to take care of Chad". What????

He sounds more and more like a baby every day. Not only is he signing his walking papers from Cincy, he is hurting his chances for other teams too.

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[quote=jsarno;437045]Just listened to the whole thing.
Seriously, can somebody tell me why athletes refer to themselves in the 3rd person?
"Chad needs to take care of Chad". What????

He sounds more and more like a baby every day. Not only is he signing his walking papers from Cincy, he is hurting his chances for other teams too.[/quote]
Well, great athletes, alot of times, are extremely conceded and arrogant. Especialy, at positions like wide reciever, and corner. I say, who cares, I just want ocho-cinco in burgundy and gold, period.

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[QUOTE=T.O.Killa;437109]Well, great athletes, alot of times, are extremely conceded and arrogant. Especialy, at positions like wide reciever, and corner. I say, who cares, I just want ocho-cinco in burgundy and gold, period.[/QUOTE]

why? So he can pull this shit on us in a couple years when we start losing? No thanks. Rather develope a rookie and not let a cancer into our locker room.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;437045]Just listened to the whole thing.
Seriously, can somebody tell me why athletes refer to themselves in the 3rd person?
"Chad needs to take care of Chad". What????

He sounds more and more like a baby every day. Not only is he signing his walking papers from Cincy, he is hurting his chances for other teams too.[/QUOTE]

Exactly, I can't understand why any team would want him after listening to that interview. I definitely wouldn't want someone like that on my team.

I would like to have heard his comments if ESPN had asked him about punching Marvin Lewis. He kept asking "is that all". Well, if he is going to be a smart azz then give him a question to get him really riled up.

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[QUOTE=Gtothearry;437283]Exactly, I can't understand why any team would want him after listening to that interview. I definitely wouldn't want someone like that on my team.

I would like to have heard his comments if ESPN had asked him about punching Marvin Lewis. He kept asking "is that all". Well, if he is going to be a smart azz then give him a question to get him really riled up.[/QUOTE]

damn, where have I been? Chad punched Lewis?

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[QUOTE=jsarno;437332]damn, where have I been? Chad punched Lewis?[/QUOTE]

Didn't happen. CJ has responded to this question on previous occassions with ESPN and other outlets (as have other Bengals officials). He admitted to getting heated during a halftime and Hue Jackson grabbed him to calm him down, but he didn't throw any punches

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;437334]Didn't happen. CJ has responded to this question on previous occassions with ESPN and other outlets (as have other Bengals officials). He admitted to getting heated during a halftime and Hue Jackson grabbed him to calm him down, but he didn't throw any punches[/QUOTE]

OK, that makes more sense.

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Ironically NFL Netwrok just had him on the phone while TJ Houshmanzdahgerphimerjohnson was there as an in studio guest. Really weird converstation where TJ just seemed to say that Chad is going to do what he wants to do, and Chad tried to bring up things they talked about in private but TJ seemed to stop him. I wonder how Bengal fans are handling all this.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;437334]Didn't happen. CJ has responded to this question on previous occassions with ESPN and other outlets (as have other Bengals officials). He admitted to getting heated during a halftime and Hue Jackson grabbed him to calm him down, but he didn't throw any punches[/QUOTE]

Well, I know Shaun Smith came out and said it did happen. So, I guess it comes down to who ya wanna beleive. I feel like everyone denying it has something to protect. However, Smith has no reason to lie and doesn't need to protect Cincy. Considering Chad's antics I wouldn't be surprised. I guess in all actuality it's a toss up whether it did or didn't happen.

Here is the link to the story: [url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Former-Bengal-Chad-Johnson-punched-Marvin-Lewis?urn=nfl,70610]Former Bengal: Chad Johnson punched Marvin Lewis in the eye - Shutdown Corn... - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

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[quote=Gtothearry;437381]Well, I know Shaun Smith came out and said it did happen. So, I guess it comes down to who ya wanna beleive. I feel like everyone denying it has something to protect. However, Smith has no reason to lie and doesn't need to protect Cincy. Considering Chad's antics I wouldn't be surprised. I guess in all actuality it's a toss up whether it did or didn't happen.

Here is the link to the story: [URL="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Former-Bengal-Chad-Johnson-punched-Marvin-Lewis?urn=nfl,70610"]Former Bengal: Chad Johnson punched Marvin Lewis in the eye - Shutdown Corn... - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/URL][/quote]

Good point about Smith, but actually if Smith were thinking about his future in the nfl & being a good team guy (not that lying would be good), he might've been better off to say nothing. By speaking he's actually putting his reputation at stake & potentially angering some people in Cincy who want to put it behind them. He might need a good reference from them or he might want a job there again one day. No job in the nfl is guaranteed.

I respect him if he simply wants to tell the truth. I agree w/you that it's not something he would just out & out lie about. What's to gain by doing that?

It sounds like to me that this incident happened, CJ has used it to his advantage to complain, and now Lewis is digging his heels in & trying to regain control & respect of his team. My opinion is biased at this point though, cause I've come to dislike CJ a bit & don't want him here.

There is always the possibility that like a lot of crime scenes you ask 10 people that saw it what happened & you get 10 different answers.