Re: Jerome Mathis signed
 

I'm wondering if they're inclined to give Rock a couple of extra carries this year and in doing so will have Mathis as KRing insurance should anything happen.

Doubtful. He's probably here temporarily as a "just in case" and as a burner that can run routes for JC during minicamp if Moss is having hammy problems.

Re: Jerome Mathis signed
 

I don't see him making the final roster. Wonder why Cartwright hasn't
worked with Brian Mitchell on learning to field punts. If he did it would
only increase his value.

Strange move, but he just may be a warm body for now.

Re: Jerome Mathis signed
 

"Could it be that the vague rumors of Ladell Betts being on the block are true?

If Betts were traded, and Rock was shifted to Clinton Portis' primary backup, then I could see the need for a new kick returner.

To me, it has to be either that, or, that the Redskins clearly just want someone to push Rock Cartwright to improve even more.

Stay tuned..."
[url=http://was.scout.com/2/743686.html]Scout.com: Redskins Sign WR Jerome Mathis[/url]

Re: Jerome Mathis signed
 

[QUOTE=SeanTaylor21;437708To me, it has to be either that, or, that the Redskins clearly just want someone to push Rock Cartwright to improve even more.

Stay tuned..."
[url=http://was.scout.com/2/743686.html]Scout.com: Redskins Sign WR Jerome Mathis[/url][/QUOTE]


I agree with this. He can be an asset if we use him as one. We could have done alot worse and although Rock does well at KRing, he could always be pushed more and we really dont have an explosive PR. Mathis could serve as that. I like him #4 in the slot on a fade man to man against a dimeback too...

Re: Jerome Mathis signed
 

[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;437667]we gave HIM 30 million dollars?????? NO WAY[/QUOTE]

"Washington and Randle El's agent, Fletcher Smith of CSMG Sports, finalized a seven-year contract worth $31 million that includes $11.5 million in bonuses."
[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2365504]ESPN - Redskins add Randle El to receiving corps - NFL[/url]

Re: Jerome Mathis signed
 

[QUOTE=SeanTaylor21;437716]"Washington and Randle El's agent, Fletcher Smith of CSMG Sports, finalized a seven-year contract worth $31 million that includes $11.5 million in bonuses."
[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2365504]ESPN - Redskins add Randle El to receiving corps - NFL[/url][/QUOTE]

i knew about randle el. i thought they were talking about mathis

Re: Jerome Mathis signed
 

Bad signing. I wish everyone would just agree to stay away from players who've been arrested for: DUI, Drug Possession/Use or Violence Against Women. Also, regarding the fight with the tight end, I seem to remember another questionable character at wr that was involved in practice field fight: Michael Westbrook. Baaaaad signing.

Re: Jerome Mathis signed
 

[QUOTE=Dirtbag359;437614]James Hardy looks like a chior boy compared to this guy.[/QUOTE]

What's the rap on James Hardy? I haven't seen anything on this site, or elsewhere, about his being a problem.

Re: Jerome Mathis signed
 

[QUOTE=RedZone;437728]What's the rap on James Hardy? I haven't seen anything on this site, or elsewhere, about his being a problem.[/QUOTE]

Hardy was arrested for a domestic situation and suspended 2 games... the charges were dropped

Re: Jerome Mathis signed
 

I like this pickup... this guy has been to a pro bowl and since had a few injury problems... if he can stay healthy for us he can be a game changer with his world class speed. Can you imagine trying to cover Santana Moss on one side with 4.31 speed and Mathis with 4.1 speed? This will assure the safeties don't sit on Cooley, Randle-El and maybe Jordy Nelson underneath...

The charges against him were dropped so it's a non-issue for me (Innocent until proven guilty). And I'm not going to hold players on my favorite team to standards that our president can't uphold (DUI)

Re: Jerome Mathis signed
 

[QUOTE=DGreene28;437736]I like this pickup... this guy has been to a pro bowl and since had a few injury problems... if he can stay healthy for us he can be a game changer with his world class speed. Can you imagine trying to cover Santana Moss on one side with 4.31 speed and Mathis with 4.1 speed? This will assure the safeties don't sit on Cooley, Randle-El and maybe Jordy Nelson underneath...

The charges against him were dropped so it's a non-issue for me ([B]Innocent until proven guilty[/B]). And I'm not going to hold players on my favorite team to standards that our president can't uphold (DUI)[/QUOTE]

I think it’s “innocent when a woman found by police with red marks on her neck decides like many victims that she’s too frightened to cut ties with someone she’s dependent upon drops the charges”, you mean.

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[QUOTE=DGreene28;437734]Hardy was arrested for a domestic situation and suspended 2 games... the charges were dropped[/QUOTE]

Gee whiz, how unfair!!! How could they possibly suspend him when the charges were dropped? What happened to "innocent until....", no, nevermind.

Re: Jerome Mathis signed
 

i would rather have signed Johnny Mathis, but chances are....

Re: Jerome Mathis signed
 

[QUOTE=dmek25;437745]i would rather have signed Johnny Mathis, but chances are....[/QUOTE]

"It's not for me to saaay...." but that was really lame.

Re: Jerome Mathis signed
 

[QUOTE=lwiedy;437741]I think it’s “innocent when a woman found by police with red marks on her neck decides like many victims that she’s too frightened to cut ties with someone she’s dependent upon drops the charges”, you mean.[/QUOTE]

Do you really think the Skins would sign Mathis or any other "character risk" without sitting down and having them explain what happened with any questionable incidents? No offense buddy but I'm going with with their opinion over yours.

Re: Jerome Mathis signed
 

he's hella fast and has a lot of upside.... but he also straggles his girlfriend, so...

I mean, i guess he had to land somewhere, but besides some punt return stuff, i'm not sure it's really worth it.

Re: Jerome Mathis signed
 

[QUOTE=DGreene28;437760]Do you really think the Skins would sign Mathis or any other "character risk" without sitting down and having them explain what happened with any questionable incidents? No offense buddy but I'm going with with their opinion over yours.[/QUOTE]

There was no opinion expressed in that statement only a response to your incredibly naive assertion that simply “innocent until proven guilty” means something didn’t actually happen.

Now on to opinion, I don’t think this administration as it is currently constructed would value character over talent. Some people don’t seem to think character is an issue, I do.

Judging by every response you’ve made on this type of issue so far, you read what you want to read, never respond to valid contradictory points made, so I guess you will go on seeing only what you want to see.

No offense, buddy.

Re: Jerome Mathis signed
 

[QUOTE=SeanTaylor21;437708]"Could it be that the vague rumors of Ladell Betts being on the block are true?

If Betts were traded, and Rock was shifted to Clinton Portis' primary backup, then I could see the need for a new kick returner.

To me, it has to be either that, or, that the Redskins clearly just want someone to push Rock Cartwright to improve even more.

Stay tuned..."
[url=http://was.scout.com/2/743686.html]Scout.com: Redskins Sign WR Jerome Mathis[/url][/QUOTE]

This is wishfull thinking....
This guy is a punt returner...and rock doesnt return punts.
There is really no sense in this other than a potential speed demon to back up Moss.

It does suggest that Randel El can be protected by staying on offense too.
Both have had injury problems.

If they are worried about 2 deep depth for little WR's ....odds are, they are going to want to be 2 deep at big WR's....Mix would be a decent depth guy.

I dont believe it would be wise to trade Betts...he is far better than Rock could ever be....Free agency proved that this is not a unique opinion.

Regarding him being a scumbag....I really dont like that either.

Re: Jerome Mathis signed
 

Jerome Mathis has Kickoff returns for TD, he didnt really do Punts that much in Houston

Re: Jerome Mathis signed
 

[url=http://www.nfl.com/players/jeromemathis/careerstats?id=MAT201110]Jerome Mathis: Career Stats[/url]

hes mostly a kick returner

Re: Jerome Mathis signed
 

[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;437799]Jerome Mathis has Kickoff returns for TD, he didnt really do Punts that much in Houston[/QUOTE]

my mistake...but I still dont see this as a reason to dump betts

Re: Jerome Mathis signed
 

[QUOTE=dmek25;437745]i would rather have signed Johnny Mathis, but chances are....[/QUOTE]

That's funny. I guess most are too young on this board to get that one.

Re: Jerome Mathis signed
 

[quote=ChillWill;437812]That's funny. I guess most are too young on this board to get that one.[/quote]

"Walkin in a winter wonder land"(lulz). I grew up listening to Johnny Mathis around Christmas time. Lots of great memories.

Re: Jerome Mathis signed
 

[QUOTE=skinsnut;437806]my mistake...but I still dont see this as a reason to dump betts[/QUOTE]

didn't say it was

Re: Jerome Mathis signed
 

[quote=ChillWill;437812]That's funny. I guess most are too young on this board to get that one.[/quote]

I got it but I wasn't old enough to come up with another Mathis song other than that one.

...Point and round awarded to dmek25.

Re: Jerome Mathis signed
 

OK, I will admit, I do not know much about Mathis off the field issues, but this guy is a GREAT kick returner. One of the best in the league. I for one and glad he is here. Cartwright had good numbers, but he benefitted from better ST coaching. If Mathis were doing those kickoffs, he would have done better. Of course, that is just my opinion though. I look forward to seeing what he could do.

Re: Jerome Mathis signed
 

[QUOTE=jsarno;437820]OK, I will admit, I do not know much about Mathis off the field issues, but this guy is a GREAT kick returner. One of the best in the league. I for one and glad he is here. Cartwright had good numbers, but he benefitted from better ST coaching. If Mathis were doing those kickoffs, he would have done better. Of course, that is just my opinion though. I look forward to seeing what he could do.[/QUOTE]

I agree with you, I think that he and Cartwright will be very deadly on kickoff returns. Didn't Mathis turn in the fastest combine 40 time ever?

Re: Jerome Mathis signed
 

[quote=Redskins8588;437822]I agree with you, I think that he and Cartwright will be very deadly on kickoff returns. Didn't Mathis turn in the fastest combine 40 time ever?[/quote]

No that honor goes to Dieon Sanders. I believe his 40 time was 4.18. However Mathis apparently ran a 4.1 at his pro day.

Re: Jerome Mathis signed
 

Yeah, I knew the Deon Sanders has/had the fasted combine time but I am pretty sure that mathis time was faster...

Re: Jerome Mathis signed
 

[QUOTE=Redskins8588;437822]I agree with you, I think that he and Cartwright will be very deadly on kickoff returns. Didn't Mathis turn in the fastest combine 40 time ever?[/QUOTE]

Not sure if it was the fastest ever, but according to nfldraftscout.com he ran a 4.28. That's pretty darn fast.
[url=http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=54456]Jerome Mathis, WR, Hampton - 2005 NFL Draft Scout Profile, Powered by The SportsXchange[/url]

He possibly ran faster at his pro day.

All this talk about his character seems to be stemming from 1 incident. Granted it's not a good incident, but who knows, the "common law" wife could have made it up cause she was being hormonal. To label the guy as poor character after 1 incident is not in good taste.
Then again, if you guys know of other incidents, I'd like to hear them, and I will change my judgement.

Re: Jerome Mathis signed
 

I asked a friend about it, and he said there is two different times. Dieon had the fastest 40 but it wasn't electronically timed. Since they went electronic, he said Mathis was #1. So I guess both answers are correct...however, to me it doesn't matter...what does is that he is blazing fast.

Re: Jerome Mathis signed
 

very quick receiver - could provide some benefit in the West Coast offense that Zorn will run. I would stay with Cartwright on special teams though. I think he was second in avg KO return last season.

Re: Jerome Mathis signed
 

Reminds me of Antonio Brown with an attitude problem.

I'm taking the "wait and see" with him. If he can step up and be a team player and not get into any off the field incidents, I think he could be a great addition at a good price.

Re: Jerome Mathis signed
 

[quote=Dirtbag359;437654]Randle El has turned into a pretty good reciever and he hasn't been very effective on punts but still this signing pisses me off. People are turning their back just because he has 4.10 40 speed. I thought the Redskins were better then this.

quote]

Gibb is better than this, not Danny Boy... ugh.

Re: Jerome Mathis signed
 

[quote=jsarno;437826]All this talk about his character seems to be stemming from 1 incident. Granted it's not a good incident, but who knows, [B]the "common law" wife could have made it up cause she was being hormonal[/B]. To label the guy as poor character after 1 incident is not in good taste. [/quote]

Just shaking my head.... why am I not surprised.

Re: Jerome Mathis signed
 

im on your side with this hessy. no man should ever strike a woman, regardless

Re: Jerome Mathis signed
 

[QUOTE=hesscl34;437853]Just shaking my head.... why am I not surprised.[/QUOTE]

Point is, a ONE time issue isn't always true. I am in no way defending someone striking his wife, but why is there no pictures of her with a bruise or anything?
Also, people that strike women, don't do it once. They are habitual. Why is it this is the ONLY case of Mathis striking someone??? Just doesn't add up right now. I could be wrong (I hope I am not cause no woman deserves to be struck by a man) but why is everyone so eager to convict?

Re: Jerome Mathis signed
 

[QUOTE=jsarno;437874]Point is, a ONE time issue isn't always true. I am in no way defending someone striking his wife, but why is there no pictures of her with a bruise or anything?
Also, people that strike women, don't do it once. They are habitual. Why is it this is the ONLY case of Mathis striking someone??? Just doesn't add up right now. I could be wrong (I hope I am not cause no woman deserves to be struck by a man) but why is everyone so eager to convict?[/QUOTE]

The police spokesman reported that there were red marks on her neck.

As for you theory on the recitative nature of this behavior, don’t worry, he’s a young man, there’s plenty of time to prove you right. Does your theory give a timetable when subsequent attacks should take place?

Re: Jerome Mathis signed
 

Not thrilled at all about this move.

Re: Jerome Mathis signed
 

[url]http://www.redskinswarpath.com/423869-post1.html[/url]

Whoops. Guess I was wrong about that last line

Betts trade rumors are supposedly more than just idle chatter, but he won't be traded just to be traded.

More than likey, in my opinion, this is like the Kevin Dyson signing of a few years back. Let's see if he even makes it past week 3 of preseason.