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[QUOTE=firstdown;442329]Well that just about what everyone said when they made the deal with TO. I'm sure if he gets reinstated Jones will have his contracted worded so they can dump him if he has any more issues and I would bet it will have a clause about strip clubs. Jones is not dumb and is really taking very little risk from what I have seen at this point.[/QUOTE]

Jones is not dumb? Taking a duffel bag of money to a strip club throwin it in the air then bang the stripers head on the stage when she goes to grab it isn't a smart move. Going to a strip club the night before you meet with the commissioner of the NFL and lying to him to his face when asked about it is pretty dumb. Paying the gunman 15,000 to stay quite and not mention any of this to the authorities isn't dumb?

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or were talkin about jerry jones.....that would make more sense


Pacman Jones = Dumb
Jerry Jones = Not dumb but not the smartest man in the world by any means

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[quote=mansole55;442192]Why didn't the Redskins pursue Pacman? To give up only a 4th rounder is very low risk, high reward. And we need defensive backs.[/quote]



[B][SIZE=5]CHARACTER POLICE[/SIZE][/B]
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Look....no CJ, gauranteed no to Pacman.

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Take heed JJ:
You reap what you sow.
T.O. and Pacman in the same locker room? It will not be boring

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I find it rather disturbing that Jerry Jones on two seperate ocasions, in the last two years has underminded the decision of the comissioner on suspended players.

Last year it was Tank Johnson, this year Pac Man Jones. Somehow this action gives the apearence that longtime suspentions of players for gross misconduct should not be taken seriously. and such player should be traded for even before actually being reinstated to play.

For all it's worth, it would seem to send the wrong message.

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this kinda scares me b/c it gives the cowboys an X factor. if pacman comes in, gets in shape and returns to form the cowboys have bolstered their already pretty solid lineup and addressed a big need. cowboys and eagles have taken steps to better their team. i know we are not a "1 player away" team so it makes sense for us to be patient, stock up and build over the next year or two before we are a "1 superstar big contract free agency" addition team to make a real run at a SB.

plus the cowboys, as jerry jones has said, seems to do pretty well and have a huge program in place for taking problem players and getting them to focus their attention on field. not that bad of a strategy really. yes some problem players will always be problem players but a significant portion of these players act up early on in their careers when their young and newly rich then kinda wake up and mature and realize what is at stake.

good move for the boys? time will tell.

go skins!

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[quote=SmootSmack;442335]I'm sure that contractually it's a low risk. But could you imagine the mass hysteria on this board if the Redskins had made this move?[/quote]

A disaster of biblical proportions! Old testament! Real wrath of God type stuff! Fire and brimstone coming down from the sky! Rivers and oceans boiling! 40 years of darkness, earthquakes, volcanoes! The dead rising from the grave! Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together!!!

(Ghostbusters)

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[quote=Longtimefan;442370]I find it rather disturbing that Jerry Jones on two seperate ocasions, in the last two years has underminded the decision of the comissioner on suspended players.

Last year it was Tank Johnson, this year Pac Man Jones. [b]Somehow this action gives the apearence that longtime suspentions of players for gross misconduct should not be taken seriously.[/b] and such player should be traded for even before actually being reinstated to play.

For all it's worth, it would seem to send the wrong message.[/quote]
That is not the responsibility of the GM. The seriousness of long term suspensions is the responsibility of the Commissioner and the league office and not a teams GM.

And for the record, Tank Johnson was a free agent when Dallas acquired him. He was not traded.

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[quote=SKINSnCANES;442305]How can you guys be so happy about this? Im going to go on record and probably staying in the minority on this.

The cowboys took zero risk, a late round pick for a top corner...

Lets just hope he doestn get reinstated (if he doesnt they get their pick back) because we are going to need help on offense with him playing against us twice a year. Id rather he went to the Bengals and hung out with his inmates there. The guy call play, hes a great returner...

Lets just hope you all are right and he destroys that team. I think hes tryign to make a point of coming back strong and prove everyone wrong. hes been trying to come back and prove himself for a while now but they wotn let him back[/quote]

I'm w/you except for the zero risk part. They are taking on more risk than w/the avg. trade, but overall I certainly agree w/your point. The only way it really backfires for them is if he gets others in trouble or affects team morale. there were never any reports of that in Tenn., it was just pacman getting in trouble at clubs w/his homies.

So what if they lose a 4th round pick, they've drafted well in the past & can afford to gamble w/those picks. A 4th rounder for a legit man to man corner & dangerous punt returner is a bargain IF he comes back & can return to form (on field, not off).

They're obviously not worried about the pr aspect. Kind of funny, until a few years ago texas stadium was a dry stadium. Now you can buy a beer there and watch near cons on probation playing football!

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[quote=sandtrapjack;442397]That is not the responsibility of the GM. The seriousness of long term suspensions is the responsibility of the Commissioner and the league office and not a teams GM.

And for the record, Tank Johnson was a free agent when Dallas acquired him. He was not traded.[/quote]

agreed, Dallas hasn't done anything wrong or unethical per league rules. JJ is starting a trend though, cowboys = raiders of nfc?

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I'd rather refer to him as ADAM Jones. I'm glad they got him. More reason to dislike their franchise. Adam Jones is a worthless excuse for a human being. He's a murderer, he's a criminal, and he's an all around bad human being.

I went to a Titans/Skins game a few years back. ADAM came over to talk some smack to Rock. Rock almost took his head off in pregame warmups. His teamates had to hold him back. Never really cared for the punk.

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[QUOTE=redsk1;442418]I'd rather refer to him as ADAM Jones. I'm glad they got him. More reason to dislike their franchise. Adam Jones is a worthless excuse for a human being. [b][i]He's a murderer[/b][/i], he's a criminal, and he's an all around bad human being.

I went to a Titans/Skins game a few years back. ADAM came over to talk some smack to Rock. Rock almost took his head off in pregame warmups. His teamates had to hold him back. Never really cared for the punk.[/QUOTE]

I dislike him and the Cowboys as much as anyone and think he's a piece of garbage, but who did he murder?

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[QUOTE=Paintrain;442427]I dislike him and the Cowboys as much as anyone and think he's a piece of garbage, but who did he murder?[/QUOTE]

Maybe he should have said "attempted murder", but I'm sure he is sure he murdered someone. Not a far stretch.

Anywho...here is a timeline of pacman's poor behavior:


Since being taken with the sixth overall pick in the 2005 NFL draft, Adam "Pacman" Jones has not been able to stay out of legal trouble.

April 2005 – Mr. Jones' name appears on a police report after a fight at an Atlanta strip club breaks out, but the woman involved does not pursue the case.

June 2005 –Two of Mr. Jones' friends would not leave their room at a Nashville, Tenn., hotel after checkout time, prompting police to arrive. Marijuana is found on a table, but Mr. Jones' friends take full responsibility for the drugs.

July 2005 –Mr. Jones is arrested on two counts of misdemeanor assault and a felony count of vandalism after an incident at a Nashville nightclub, but charges are later dismissed.

February 2006 –Mr. Jones is arrested in Fayetteville, Ga., and charged with possession of marijuana. Police add felony counts of obstruction and two misdemeanors of obstructing police after throwing a punch at an officer. The drug charge is dismissed in January 2007. He received three years' probation for the other charges.

March 2006 –A drug task force team serves a search warrant at the home Mr. Jones bought for his mother. An investigator notices Mr. Jones' car smells of marijuana, and Mr. Jones admits that he had been smoking.

April 2006 –A vehicle registered to Mr. Jones is involved in drug trafficking. Mr. Jones had repurchased the car at an auction. Three days later, Mr. Jones is at the scene of a gunshot altercation outside a Nashville gas station.

August 2006 –Mr. Jones is charged with public intoxication and disorderly conduct outside Sweetwater Saloon in Murfreesboro, Tenn. Charges were later dismissed.

October 2006 –After being accused of spitting in the face of a woman at a Nashville nightclub, Mr. Jones is cited on a misdemeanor assault charge. The charge is later dismissed.

February 2007 –Las Vegas police allege Mr. Jones started a melee inside a club when he threw cash on a stage. Three people are wounded by gunshots, and one is paralyzed. Mr. Jones pleads guilty to misdemeanor charges in return for testimony about the shootings.

January –A woman seeks an arrest warrant against Mr. Jones after an incident at an Atlanta strip club, but she later withdraws the petition. Mr. Jones loses permission to work out at the Titans' facility.

April –A report surfaces that Mr. Jones paid $15,000 in "extortion" money to Arvin Kenti Edwards, who was charged with attempted murder for shootings stemming from an altercation outside a Las Vegas strip club where Mr. Jones was present.

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[quote=jsarno;442438]Maybe he should have said "attempted murder", but I'm sure he is sure he murdered someone. Not a far stretch.

Anywho...here is a timeline of pacman's poor behavior:


Since being taken with the sixth overall pick in the 2005 NFL draft, Adam "Pacman" Jones has not been able to stay out of legal trouble.

April 2005 – Mr. Jones' name appears on a police report after a fight at an Atlanta strip club breaks out, but the woman involved does not pursue the case.

June 2005 –Two of Mr. Jones' friends would not leave their room at a Nashville, Tenn., hotel after checkout time, prompting police to arrive. Marijuana is found on a table, but Mr. Jones' friends take full responsibility for the drugs.

July 2005 –Mr. Jones is arrested on two counts of misdemeanor assault and a felony count of vandalism after an incident at a Nashville nightclub, but charges are later dismissed.

February 2006 –Mr. Jones is arrested in Fayetteville, Ga., and charged with possession of marijuana. Police add felony counts of obstruction and two misdemeanors of obstructing police after throwing a punch at an officer. The drug charge is dismissed in January 2007. He received three years' probation for the other charges.

March 2006 –A drug task force team serves a search warrant at the home Mr. Jones bought for his mother. An investigator notices Mr. Jones' car smells of marijuana, and Mr. Jones admits that he had been smoking.

April 2006 –A vehicle registered to Mr. Jones is involved in drug trafficking. Mr. Jones had repurchased the car at an auction. Three days later, Mr. Jones is at the scene of a gunshot altercation outside a Nashville gas station.

August 2006 –Mr. Jones is charged with public intoxication and disorderly conduct outside Sweetwater Saloon in Murfreesboro, Tenn. Charges were later dismissed.

October 2006 –After being accused of spitting in the face of a woman at a Nashville nightclub, Mr. Jones is cited on a misdemeanor assault charge. The charge is later dismissed.

February 2007 –Las Vegas police allege Mr. Jones started a melee inside a club when he threw cash on a stage. Three people are wounded by gunshots, and one is paralyzed. Mr. Jones pleads guilty to misdemeanor charges in return for testimony about the shootings.

January –A woman seeks an arrest warrant against Mr. Jones after an incident at an Atlanta strip club, but she later withdraws the petition. Mr. Jones loses permission to work out at the Titans' facility.

April –A report surfaces that Mr. Jones paid $15,000 in "extortion" money to Arvin Kenti Edwards, who was charged with attempted murder for shootings stemming from an altercation outside a Las Vegas strip club where Mr. Jones was present.[/quote]

Jerry Jones: So?

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the above post was from the dallas news:
[url=http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/cowboys/stories/042408dnspopactimeline.3c2839b.html]Pacman Jones timeline | Dallas Cowboys News | Sports News | Dallas Morning News | News for Dallas, Texas[/url]

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[quote=Paintrain;442427]I dislike him and the Cowboys as much as anyone and think he's a piece of garbage, but who did he murder?[/quote]

I apologize.... attempted murder. Maybe he wasn't the trigger man, but it was his "posse." Allegedly.

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[quote=SmootSmack;442185]Don't know more specifics yet[/quote]

totally not surprising...

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[quote=freddyg12;442404]I'm w/you except for the zero risk part. They are taking on more risk than w/the avg. trade, but overall I certainly agree w/your point. The only way it really backfires for them is if he gets others in trouble or affects team morale. there were never any reports of that in Tenn., it was just pacman getting in trouble at clubs w/his homies.

So what if they lose a 4th round pick, they've drafted well in the past & can afford to gamble w/those picks. A 4th rounder for a legit man to man corner & dangerous punt returner is a bargain IF he comes back & can return to form (on field, not off).

They're obviously not worried about the pr aspect. Kind of funny, until a few years ago texas stadium was a dry stadium. Now you can buy a beer there and watch near cons on probation playing football![/quote]


If he doesnt play or gets in trouble again the Cowboys get the Titans 4th rounder in 2009 so it is basically no risk

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;442461]If he doesnt play or gets in trouble again the Cowboys get the Titans 4th rounder in 2009 so it is basically no risk[/quote]
And you can bet it will be a "franchise friendly" contract as well. One loaded with caveats that will have little to no cap hit if Jones screws up again and is released.

Kind of like T.O.'s contract. When he signed it was still fresh in everyones mind the turmoil he caused in Philly. So even though Owens signed a 3 year deal, it was worded in such a way that it was essentially 3-one year deals, so if he raised havoc, Dallas could release him with zero cap hit.

The same will be done for Jones, where if he messes up, the contract will be worded so Dallas can release him without a cap hit.

This guy is a big risk, granted. But there is little reward without risk in anything.

But if he gets in trouble or does not get reinstated, Dallas has lost very little, just a 4th round pick in 2008. But if that happens they will get that 4th rounder back in 2009.

But look at the upside, if Jones plays and has his act together then they have legitimate depth at corner with Henry, Newman and Jones. Not to mention a pretty good return guy.

However Dallas has done pretty good with 4th rounders as of late. Marion Barber and Chris Canty were both 4th round picks and now both have the high tender on them.

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[QUOTE=redsk1;442452]I apologize.... attempted murder. Maybe he wasn't the trigger man, but it was his "posse." Allegedly.[/QUOTE]

No need to apologize to me, like I said, he's a piece of trash IMO, I was just curious..

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[QUOTE=hesscl34;442458]totally not surprising...[/QUOTE]

That I didn't know more specifics yet?

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[quote=sandtrapjack;442550]And you can bet it will be a "franchise friendly" contract as well. One loaded with caveats that will have little to no cap hit if Jones screws up again and is released.

Kind of like T.O.'s contract. When he signed it was still fresh in everyones mind the turmoil he caused in Philly. So even though Owens signed a 3 year deal, it was worded in such a way that it was essentially 3-one year deals, so if he raised havoc, Dallas could release him with zero cap hit.

The same will be done for Jones, where if he messes up, the contract will be worded so Dallas can release him without a cap hit.

This guy is a big risk, granted. But there is little reward without risk in anything.

But if he gets in trouble or does not get reinstated, Dallas has lost very little, just a 4th round pick in 2008. But if that happens they will get that 4th rounder back in 2009.

But look at the upside, if Jones plays and has his act together then they have legitimate depth at corner with Henry, Newman and Jones. Not to mention a pretty good return guy.

However Dallas has done pretty good with 4th rounders as of late. Marion Barber and Chris Canty were both 4th round picks and now both have the high tender on them.[/quote]


I heard that he would get NO signing bonus when he signs the new contract with the Cowboys.

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Contractually it may be safe, but you have to wonder about bringing this kind of clown into the clubhouse. Yeah, he's probably going out in a ball of flames, and that's great that it won't hit the Cowgirls' cap, but what if he gets somebody else suspended, too?

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[url=http://www.fyrebug.com/?p=5393]Pacman Jones wants to play Football![/url]

Here's a taste of what Pacman Jones football is going to be like in Dallas.

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anyone taking bets on whether mike vick will be donning a silver star when he gets out of the pen?

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Dallas reporter reacts

[url=http://www.dallasnews.com/video/dallasnews/wfaa/index.html?nvid=239208&shu=1]Video | WFAA | Dallas Morning News | News for Dallas, Texas[/url]

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Cowboys get a 4th rounder back

FOXSports.com has learned that the Dolphins have struck a deal with the Cowboys for tight end Anthony Fasano and linebacker Akin Ayodele.
In exchange for the two players, the Dolphins sent a fourth-round pick to the Cowboys, according to a report on the Dallas Morning News Web site.

[url=http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8074006/Cowboys-trade-Fasano,-Ayodele-to-Dolphins-]FOX Sports on MSN - NFL - Cowboys trade Fasano, Ayodele to Dolphins[/url]

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Dear Mr. Jones,
I would like to inform you that your request to draft from the Texas State Penn has been declined by the NFL by myself and my advisory board. I understand your standpoint and, to a certain extent, agree that the inmates can be as strong, angry, and determined as any NFL player. However, I do not feel that the inmates will have the moral ingegrity to provide as role models and/or positive influences for the NFL. I offer to you my apologies because I know how desperate you are to get quality players despite their previous reputations, i.e. Terrell Owens, Tank Johnson, and your recent Pacman Jones. Good luck today, and please take you time to make positive choices and/or trade all of your quality backups for day two draft picks.

Yours Truly,
Comish