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C It was a great move trading back with Atlanta. Because of it, you get two of the guys we were considering with the #21 pick. The more I think about it taking 2 wr's this close together was probably really smart. Half of recent early round wr's bust out (Gardner, Mike Williams, Rashaun Woods, Micheal Jenkins....etc) and those that prove worthy take more than a season (Calvin Johnson, Braylon Edwards, Sinorice Moss, etc). So I guess the hope is that one of them will be a good player for the 2009 season. Davis will be a great addition. None of them will make an impact in 2008 though and with 3 picks in the early to mid second you expect at least one to be an immediate impact guy.

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This was the first year of the modern draft in which they did not hold the 3rd round on day one. It will be interesting to see after they make their pick in the 3rd whether everybody will have the same "sky is falling" response.

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[quote=hooskins;444116]Exactly. If we got defensive players they could have. Also seems like we drafted on skill not need. One WR is a need but two is not needed because one will never even see the field. Also there is no way to spin it but TE is NOT a need.[/quote]


why wont both see the field? this just means it will be the end for thrash or mix. mathis we strictly a returner or we coulde even release him if needed. both of these rookies will get to play. moss has had some nagging injuries the last couple years. and randle el is more of a #3 WR than a #2. these guys will get there chance this year. but in 2009 they will have a huge role in our offense

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I give them a B for getting good value, being patient and grabbing some big receivers. This was a huge need for the Skins and I'm glad they addressed it. The Fred Davis pick was a bit of a luxury, but I had every player they took higher on my board than Quentin Groves (the end I wanted).

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My first day here and I love you guys that have knowledge. O-line, D-Line? starting with D-line. We have young tackles that we are developing. Montgomery, Golston. They didnt do bad last year and may improve. Lets not forget that a little secret is that Chris Wilson is an animal rushing at DE he just needs to work on run support, but he can rush the passer. A. Carter, beast! O-line is getting Older but we get back Thomas and Jansen. Kendall is the oldest one. every one else has at least two good years. Who knows with Jansen but Stephon Heyer did well as a rookie and will get better and better. You do remember Thomas and Jansen right? The meanest S.O.B.'s on our line! We win 3 more gams last year, maybe 4 if we can just get the ball in the endzone inside the redzone. Lastly, when the day started if someone said Thomas would fall to us we'd have been excited. But if we knew we would get Thomas AND Kelly we would have all messed ourselves. Come on, give Vinny some well deserved props on this one.

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B... and I feel that we could not pass on Malcolm Kelly. There is still plenty of talent left to address the DE and CB position. We still have lots of picks left with alot of quality players out there. This is a draft that I have been dreaming of for years. Dont be surprised to see Zorny go after a QB later on. We need some depth but not before we get some depth behind Dline and Def backfeild!! Overall, there isnt much we could have done (except take Flowers somewhere) to make this draft go any better.

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I'm not gonna throw out a grade for day 1 b/c i think it would be unfair unless you let the whole thing play out and see how Cerrato intends to bring this all together (like watching a movie halfway through, walking out, and making a judgement).

If it does turn out to be that we keep 2 WR's and a TE with our first 3 picks, i think Cerrato might have the following reasons for this:

1) He knows that next year's free agent class will be a little more wide open. Maybe he wants to be able to get some cap room in order to get some proven vets by letting ARE's $6 mill contract go.
2) The probability that both of these WR's are gonna be busts is very remote. Cerrato is probably thinking this is the surest way to improve for the long term at arguably our most needed position.
3) Maybe Zorn's new offense hinges on using Cooley more as a WR than a traditional TE or H-back. In this case we might need to have a large traditional TE who can block and provide a large target in the red zone.
4) Maybe we are high on some linemen in the later rounds of the draft who can be groomed to supplant our starters in two to three years.

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I just hope Justice from Wake is still available.

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I gave a C. We could have added Quentin (sp?) Groves if I'm not mistaken instead of a 2nd receiver. And we could have added more depth on the o-line.

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c'mon who's giving day 1 a D?? :doh:

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B JC has some big weapons they may be raw but they have potential

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I agree with the value of the picks. Trading down proved to be a good move.

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Cp Is Going To Run Wild.our Redzone Problems Has Turned Into A Strength.give Us Some Depth For Defense And O Line And This Could Be The Best Draft The Skins Has Ever Had.the # 1 And 2 Wide Receiver And #1 Tight End Has That Ever Been Done?

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"A" just because we didnt trade it away for CJ, and since we traded back to aquire more and still got really good value. I just really wish we used a high pick on the o line or for a DE, and didnt use a high pick for any TE.

I wish we traded down 2-3 spots to pick up Merling once he slide to the second round, I wonder how much that would have cost to do that.

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A- we addressed some needs as far as playmakers

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I give them a B....an A would be matching value and needs and a TE does not do that.

I like the TE....but getting Campbell when he was available was the obvious choice that I think they may regret....especially since we are going into the 5th round without picking any Dline help...I thought that was our greatest need.
We will have to get exceptionally lucky....hope there is someone who's falling because of injuries that will go away or something...
We need Dline help...and soon.

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[quote=GTripp0012;444047]D-. Excellent trade by Cerrato. Brilliant even.

There's a 50% chance that 2 out the 3 players drafted today never starts a game for the Redskins. Davis is a good selection, but he's not going to beat out Cooley. Kelly should beat Thomas out, and he should replace ARE in the starting lineup by 2009. But how certain are we that Kelly will develop as expected.

The only thing we know about Kelly is that he's probably better than Devin Thomas. I'm not even sure he will ever develop into a quality starting receiver. We are making a leap of faith there, and hopefully we don't get spurned.

Regarding Thomas...at least Taylor Jacobs was a hard worker[/quote]
You're really putting it out there on this Thomas thing. Most teams and analysts had this guy rated as the # 1 receiver, what do you know about him that they don't? How many hours of film have you watched breaking down the WR position at the NCAA & NFL level (I'll admit I have zero other than from a fan's perspective)? I understand the argument of "one year wonder", but if this guy turns into a solid NFL receiver your judgement will really be called into question.

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[QUOTE=Gmanc711;444113]I'll go C....I loved our first pick, but I just dont get why we didnt take a DE with 48 or 51...I mean what can you do, but seems like were not adressing that need[/QUOTE]

Agreed!

My first reaction to the 2nd and 3rd 2nd rounders, was:

1. Whaaaaaat?
2. Huuuuuuuh?
3. What were they thinking?
4. Three 2nd rounders, and we end up with this?
5. Where is the OL, or DL?
6. Where is that DE I've been pushing for for 13 years straight?
7. I don't get it!
8. Then I thought of 4 wide set with double TEs!
9. Then I thought of the Redzone!
10. I remembered the 8th ranked Defense!
11. Oh, yeah, I was always in the half of the class that made the top half possible, right there at C!

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A - Because we got 3 1st round caliber players for 2nd round picks. Regardless of whether you think they'll pan out or not there is no denying that no one would have called picking these guys in the first round a reach.

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[quote=backrow;444431]Agreed!

My first reaction to the 2nd and 3rd 2nd rounders, was:

1. Whaaaaaat?
2. Huuuuuuuh?
3. What were they thinking?
4. Three 2nd rounders, and we end up with this?
5. Where is the OL, or DL?
6. Where is that DE I've been pushing for for 13 years straight?
7. I don't get it!
8. Then I thought of [B]4 wide set with double TEs[/B]!
9. Then I thought of the Redzone!
10. I remembered the 8th ranked Defense!
11. Oh, yeah, I was always in the half of the class that made the top half possible, right there at C![/quote]

Is that possible?

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;444018]Solid B for great value, would have liked to have seen at least 1 need filled along the lines but when you look at the value we got I'm finding it hard to have anything really bad to say, especially when we still have 6 selections left.[/QUOTE]

exactly.
Great answer, I 100% agree.

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Late to the party here...I give it a C...we need linemen on both sides of the ball...Devin Thomas was a good pickup but beyond that we grabbed too many receivers...almost like they are just going to throw all of them up against the wall and see which one sticks...and the TE we drafted? WTF?!?!?

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[QUOTE=squrrelco3;444676]Late to the party here...I give it a C...we need linemen on both sides of the ball...Devin Thomas was a good pickup but beyond that we grabbed too many receivers...almost like they are just going to throw all of them up against the wall and see which one sticks...and the TE we drafted? WTF?!?!?[/QUOTE]

One of those two (if not both) are bound to be good, and both were projected 1st rounders, so I have no problem with the picks.
Like others I wanted a DE, so I am not happy with the Davis pick instead of Campbell, but maybe they have something up their sleeves for the June 1st cuts or something. The offseason is still young.

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Ithink we should have taken Calias Campbell & Kelly Or Kelly and LIMAS SWEED

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I give us an A- We need these recievers for the west coast offense. By just placing these guys on the field with moss and ARE, they will have a much easier time getting open looks. Same thing goes for Cooley, in that Zorn will be using two TE formations. I don't see why we can't just retune the O and Dlines next year, considering we had the 8th best defense in the league last year. Hail Greg Novis the snake charmer!

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F, because we saw a draft that was based off a front-office strategy that is fundamentally flawed.

F, because the Redskins vision is dictated by someone who has no experience in the sport.

F, because we drafted a bunch of Christmas ornaments while neglecting the tree.

F, because teams like the Patriots and Giants show us that it starts in the trenches and we seem to want to ignore what successful franchises do.

F, because we are going to see a team that resembles the Spurrier team (after Marvin Lewis left).

F, because we have the worst management in all of the NFL.

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We're going to see a team that resembles the post-Marvin Lewis Spurrier teams? You mean the Joe Gibbs teams??

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Nope, I mean 2003 - when we went 5-11 with a lousy defense and no protection for our quarterback.

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[QUOTE=Drift Reality;444757]F, because we saw a draft that was based off a front-office strategy that is fundamentally flawed.

F, because the Redskins vision is dictated by someone who has no experience in the sport.

F, because we drafted a bunch of Christmas ornaments while neglecting the tree.

F, because teams like the Patriots and Giants show us that it starts in the trenches and we seem to want to ignore what successful franchises do.

F, because we are going to see a team that resembles the post-Marvin Lewis Spurrier teams.

F, because we have the worst management in all of the NFL.[/QUOTE]

wow...someone is a grumpy-puss. Go grab a beer man.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;444763]wow...someone is a grumpy-puss. Go grab a beer man.[/QUOTE]

I did that for six hours last night. Actually, that may be why I am grumpy.

I would be so happy if we had taken Campbell or Groves instead of the TE, and an offensive lineman with the third pick in the second round.

SO HAPPY!

Instead, I'm totally baffled by this draft.

Every year we go out and do something ridiculous to bring in wide receivers when we should be building up our lines. EVERY YEAR!

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[QUOTE=Drift Reality;444766]I did that for six hours last night. Actually, that may be why I am grumpy.

I would be so happy if we had taken Campbell or Groves instead of the TE, and an offensive lineman with the third pick in the second round.

SO HAPPY!

Instead, I'm totally baffled by this draft.

Every year we go out and do something ridiculous to bring in wide receivers when we should be building up our lines. EVERY YEAR!

I think Dan Snyder is gay for wide receivers.[/QUOTE]

I really wanted Campbell too...the Davis pick had me scratching my head. But let's face it, we have a very good Oline...yes they are aging, but look at the 91 skins, they were old too and still did one hell of a job. I still want a DE and I am hoping that we are targeting one with either the june 1st cuts, or via a trade.
I'm one of the few here that think we have nothing at WR. I like Moss, but he can't do it himself. ARE is useless to me, so we really need these WR's.
We have a fairly good Dline, but we lack depth and a solid DE opposite Carter...again, nothing the june 1st cuts can't fix, or a trade for someone like Taylor (we will need him to restructure though).
All in all, I like the draft.

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Come on! Look at the history:

1. Go get Coles
2. Decide Coles isn't right and trade him for Moss
3. Go get Brandon Lloyd for a 3rd and 4th
4. Sign Randle El
5. Cut Lloyd
6. Decide Randle El and Moss aren't right and get two receivers with our 2nd rounders

COME ON PEOPLE! I FEEL LIKE I'M TAKING CRAZY PILLS

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[QUOTE=Drift Reality;444766]I did that for six hours last night. Actually, that may be why I am grumpy.

I would be so happy if we had taken Campbell or Groves instead of the TE, and an offensive lineman with the third pick in the second round.

SO HAPPY!

Instead, I'm totally baffled by this draft.

Every year we go out and do something ridiculous to bring in wide receivers when we should be building up our lines. EVERY YEAR!

I think Dan Snyder is gay for wide receivers.[/QUOTE]

Campbell maybe. Groves? We basically have him in Wilson (and now Jackson) at a much cheaper price. Groves is a tweener probably best suited for a 3-4.

We got great value with Chad Rinehart. Alexander and Heyer were nice free agent finds last year for the O-line. And we still have one of the game's best in Chris Samuels.

Then on defense, Andre Carter emerged as a premiere pass rusher. Chris Wilson showed plenty of promise. And we did draft a couple of DTs a couple of years ago.

So we really haven't been neglecting the trenches. Could we have done better? Sure. But really when you look at how many linemen the Giants, for example, have drafted the past few years it's not like they're blowing us out the water.

Plus, Moss and ARE aren't getting any younger (or taller and bigger). Further Blache has said that secondary play is key to his defense so building up depth at that position was important. Moreover, a defense's best friend is field position so getting the top rated punter in the country in the 6th round (while not my first choice) doesn't merit an F.

All in all, we made some very smart moves. As this "worst mnagement in the NFL" has done with its limited amount of draft choices in the past.

I'll give it a B. Really, to give it anything less than a C (C+ actually) is complaining just to complain.

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[quote=Drift Reality;444757]F, because we saw a draft that was based off a front-office strategy that is fundamentally flawed.

F, because the Redskins vision is dictated by someone who has no experience in the sport.

F, because we drafted a bunch of Christmas ornaments while neglecting the tree.

F, because teams like the Patriots and Giants show us that it starts in the trenches and we seem to want to ignore what successful franchises do.

F, because we are going to see a team that resembles the Spurrier team (after Marvin Lewis left).

F, because we have the worst management in all of the NFL.[/quote]
What is the fundamental flaw with the FO, that we needed to upgrade our WR corps? That the WCO works well with two TE/FB types to create mismatches?

The vision is being dicatated by Cerrato & Zorn. Cerrato has an NCAA championship and a SB under his belt. Zorn was a starting NFL QB for several years....no experience.

We beat the Giants once last year and should've beat them twice.

Most of the analysts graded the Skins well on this draft.....I guess that indicates we have the "worst mgmt in the NFL" :frusty:

I would've liked to see the DL addressed earlier, but there's no argument we got value with all our early picks and they all fill needs. Blache was a DL coach for years, if he wasn't screaming for a DL then he must be comfortable at least for 2008. I believe the Guard we drafted in the 3rd can also play Tackle and our immediate need was at LG. Buges is a great line coach, we survived last year's injuries, we'll survive in 2008. With JC developing and big targets to hit we'll be fine and address the OL/DE age issue with June 1 cuts or in next year's draft.

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[quote=Drift Reality;444757]F, because we saw a draft that was based off a front-office strategy that is fundamentally flawed.

F, because the Redskins vision is dictated by someone who has no experience in the sport.

F, because we drafted a bunch of Christmas ornaments while neglecting the tree.

F, because teams like the Patriots and Giants show us that it starts in the trenches and we seem to want to ignore what successful franchises do.

F, because we are going to see a team that resembles the Spurrier team (after Marvin Lewis left).

F, because we have the worst management in all of the NFL.[/quote]


Wow you need to take your pantyhose off

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[quote=Drift Reality;444757]F, because we saw a draft that was based off a front-office strategy that is fundamentally flawed.

F, because the Redskins vision is dictated by someone who has no experience in the sport.

F, because we drafted a bunch of Christmas ornaments while neglecting the tree.

F, because teams like the Patriots and Giants show us that it starts in the trenches and we seem to want to ignore what successful franchises do.

F, because we are going to see a team that resembles the Spurrier team (after Marvin Lewis left).

F, because we have the worst management in all of the NFL.[/quote]

YOUR PULLING DOWN THE CURVE!!

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[quote=Drift Reality;444757]F, because we saw a draft that was based off a front-office strategy that is fundamentally flawed.

F, because the Redskins vision is dictated by someone who has no experience in the sport.

F, because we drafted a bunch of Christmas ornaments while neglecting the tree.

F, because teams like the Patriots and Giants show us that it starts in the trenches and we seem to want to ignore what successful franchises do.

F, because we are going to see a team that resembles the Spurrier team (after Marvin Lewis left).

F, because we have the worst management in all of the NFL.[/quote]

dumb post

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[QUOTE=Drift Reality;444773]Come on! Look at the history:

1. Go get Coles [/quote]

[b]Coles was a good player for us[/b]...he had a little attitude and large salary which ultimately led to us getting Moss.

[quote]2. Decide Coles isn't right and trade him for Moss[/quote]

See above, we lost nothing but a contract...that was a WISE move, not a poor one like you suggest.

[quote]3. Go get Brandon Lloyd for a 3rd and 4th[/quote]

Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought it was only a 4th pick?
Yes, that was not a good move in hindsight, you can't always make the correct choice. This kid had talent and we didn't even try to throw him the ball.

[quote]4. Sign Randle El[/quote]

Dumb move signing him for as much as we did, but overall, not a bad pickup. We needed stability as the PR position, and we wanted someone to create trick plays. Randle El was that guy. (still is)

[quote]5. Cut Lloyd[/quote]

Needed to do that. Cut ties with what turned out to be a poor decision. FYI, there were SEVERAL teams that looked at Lloyd, not just us.

[quote]6. Decide Randle El and Moss aren't right and get two receivers with our 2nd rounders[/quote]

You're assuming!
Clearly there is no doubt that both those guys are not #1's...we just drafted two possible condidates.

[quote]COME ON PEOPLE! I FEEL LIKE I'M TAKING CRAZY PILLS[/QUOTE]

I think we all feel you are taking those pills too.

[b]ps- Kiper had us as the NFC East winner with a B+ draft grade.[/b]...just an FYI since he is an expert on the draft.