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[quote=sbaughone;445294]<<I'm getting the vibe that people are very willing right now to throw out the possibility that this draft might not look as good in three years as it does right now.>>

Three years? Wait three months...most of these guys will not make the team. My two cents...but I realize I am in the minority.[/quote]


???...I willing to bet our first three choices will make the team this year. I'm not saying they will start but will be on the roster come this time next year. That's just the 2nd round.

Only 3 guys made the team last year, Landry (1st), Blades(6th) and Heyer(UDFA). We'll have the same amount as last year with just our first three picks, lordwilling. We still have Reinhart (3rd) and Tyron (4th) that were drafted a whole 2 round earlier than Blades and Blades seemed to make the team just fine.

With our draft picks this year being in the higher rounds we should have a better chance at having more guys make the squad. I'm not going to speculate their performances but the power is in the numbers.

Re: Vinny Cerrato
 

[QUOTE=Soup's Uncle;445167]Yeah, overall I liked how he handled it. Now if next year, he uses 3 of the first picks on WR's, then I'll be pissed.[/QUOTE]

Well lets hope WR's are not tops on VC'c board.

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I agree with SmootSmack on VC pretty much. My main issue with VC over the years is that he never seemed to be accountable for any of the mistakes the Redksins have made under Snyder. Countless others took the fall while he remained. Now there seems to be a clear chain of command with VC at the top and we will see how he responds. I do like the early returns from this weekend.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;445177]Yeah I heard Kiper remark a couple of times this weekend that he thinks Vinny's strength is evaluating talent.

I like that we finally have someone in place that we know is calling the shots and can be accountable for what we do personnel-wise.[/QUOTE]

And here it is I thought it was brown noseing Dan.

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[QUOTE=Jake2008;445217]The teams you mentioned also had great lines. Look what happened to Brady when he finally got pressured. Moss didn't make a difference. All these guys had time to look over the defense and wait for someone to get open. You can only do that with a great offensive line. Without it, you better have John Elway.[/QUOTE]

You got that right! Great offensive lines win championships, they make everyone around them better not the other way around.

Re: Vinny Cerrato
 

[quote=Smooter;445300]04-28-2008, 01:03 PM







[B]Dude from reading your recent posts all I can say is you are a complete bitch[/B].[/quote]
this is hysterical

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[QUOTE=irish;445228]I am not amazed at all that people on this site now love the experts and think they are experts because they gave the Skins high marks (thereby agreeing with what they think as fans). Had the experts given the Skins low marks these same people would have called the experts idiots with an anti-Redskins bias. Its the same old stuff, if they agree with me they are smart and if they dont they are idiots.[/QUOTE]

Hitting the nail on the head! Well done!:thumb:

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[quote=GTripp0012;445198]I mean, there's the train of thought that you filled a critical need cheaply, but you have to ask yourself if the need was actually filled, and at what cost. Yes, the "red zone weapons" need was filled, but it cost THREE second round draft picks. Was the red zone weapons need worth three second round draft picks? A rational person would say no.

I think who we didn't draft is a very critical factor in evaluating a draft. If it wasn't, no one would every have a bad draft. I'm not advocating hindsight three years from now if Calais Campbell becomes an all-pro. That's pretty pointless. I'm looking at a roster that is seven deep with competent receivers, and I'm just thinking to myself, as we all should be:

Fact: Wide Receivers and Tight Ends don't have the impact on the game to make the offense score ten more points per game than it did last season. People don't have any clue what they are talking about. That's just not the way things work.

What we didn't do was add any significant help for a front seven that is starting 4 players over the age of thirty, and a 5th next year when Andre Carter hits 30. [B]That matters. [/B]It really does.

Yes, we can address those needs next year, but do you have any confidence that we will?[/quote]
I wouldn't classify the three 2nd rounders as exclusively "Red Zone" threats. Thomas runs a 4.4, Davis can stretch the middle of the field, and Kelly while initially may be a "Red Zone" guy, should develop into A. Boldin-lite as long as he doesn't act like a whiny-baby.

I agree with your point about improving the offensive point production not being done by [B]a single WR[/B]. However if you give a developing QB three more large targets that can make plays on the ball, that will definitely help keep drives alive and compensate for inaccuracy as JC learns the system and improves. I think two major factors in the improvement to our offense will be a combination of Zorn's playcalling and JCs improved play.

We did address the OL with the 3rd rounder and some of the UDFAs. I'll wager Buges develops at least one of the UDFAs into a solid back-up. DL & LB is still a concern that I share with you.

I was hoping for DL to be addressed early, then WR later, but unfortuantely the draft didn't play out that way. Merling was taken right before our #34 pick by Miami, (based on SS's G2 we may have gone with Thomas even if Merling was there). Trevor Laws was taken a pick or two before our # 48, Harrison, DT, Ark was taken shortly before our 3rd or 4th rounder. So VC & crew went with "best available" and I thought addressed needs pretty well on Day 2.

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[QUOTE=HOGTIMUS PRIME;445313]You got that right! Great offensive lines win championships, they make everyone around them better not the other way around.[/QUOTE]

You arew 100% correct. Everyone (except the Skins, even though they used to know it) knows that you build a team from the inside out. That means having strong O & D lines and then filling in around them. All the successful teams have done it that way and I doubt that formula for success will change anytime soon.

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[quote=irish;445320]You arew 100% correct. Everyone (except the Skins, even though they used to know it) knows that you build a team from the inside out. That means having strong O & D lines and then filling in around them. All the successful teams have done it that way and I doubt that formula for success will change anytime soon.[/quote]
Really? Let's come out of the 80's glory years and look at recent history.

QB is the key to everything. In today's NFL you win with a great QB.
Patriots: got Brady and built around him, their OL & DL haven't been filled with Pro-Bowlers during their successful run.
Indy: Manning, then fill in the pieces
Steelers: couldn't get over the hump until Big Ben arrived and when he struggled, no matter how good the OL & DL are, they struggled.
Seattle: solid, but playoff caliber when Hasselbeck put it together.
Green Bay: One of the better OL & DL, but Favre sucks, they suck. Favre plays well they go deep into the playoffs.
Dallas: (as much as I hate it) very solid OL & front 7, Romo goes to Mexico with Jess and they choke.
Jaguars: I'd argue they have the best OL & front 7 in the NFL. They can't get over the hump. Garrard's play improves and now they are on the cusp of doing something special.
Bears: outside of the miracle D in 2006, with no QB, they struggle.

How does this apply to us? JC is coming to the point where it is $hit or get off the pot. Zorn needed to get him the weapons to be successful. JC should have learned the system and be primed for a Pro-Bowl performance in 2009, the receivers should be ready in 2009 after a year to adjust to the NFL and learn the system. Even if we have an average OL / DL, JC playing at a Pro-Bowl level with the weapons the FO has provided should put us deep in the playoffs.

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[QUOTE=Slingin Sammy 33;445340]Really? Let's come out of the 80's glory years and look at recent history.

QB is the key to everything. In today's NFL you win with a great QB.
Patriots: got Brady and built around him, their OL & DL haven't been filled with Pro-Bowlers during their successful run.
Indy: Manning, then fill in the pieces
Steelers: couldn't get over the hump until Big Ben arrived and when he struggled, no matter how good the OL & DL are, they struggled.
Seattle: solid, but playoff caliber when Hasselbeck put it together.
Green Bay: One of the better OL & DL, but Favre sucks, they suck. Favre plays well they go deep into the playoffs.
Dallas: (as much as I hate it) very solid OL & front 7, Romo goes to Mexico with Jess and they choke.
Jaguars: I'd argue they have the best OL & front 7 in the NFL. They can't get over the hump. Garrard's play improves and now they are on the cusp of doing something special.
Bears: outside of the miracle D in 2006, with no QB, they struggle.

How does this apply to us? JC is coming to the point where it is $hit or get off the pot. Zorn needed to get him the weapons to be successful. JC should have learned the system and be primed for a Pro-Bowl performance in 2009, the receivers should be ready in 2009 after a year to adjust to the NFL and learn the system. Even if we have an average OL / DL, JC playing at a Pro-Bowl level with the weapons the FO has provided should put us deep in the playoffs.[/QUOTE]

I would consider getting a great QB & LB the only other part of building from the inside out. Teams need great QBs and need to protect them. If they dont the rest is meaningless. JC can have all the targets he wants but if he has no time to throw to them than they arent weapons.

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[quote=irish;445347]I would consider getting a great QB & LB the only other part of building from the inside out. Teams need great QBs and need to protect them. If they dont the rest is meaningless. JC can have all the targets he wants but if he has no time to throw to them than they arent weapons.[/quote]
"No time to throw" would indicate a poor OL. Our OL was above average with all the injuries and as long as Joe Bugel is our line coach, no matter the talent, will continue to be at worst, average. Stats from 2007:

Sacks Allowed - NFL Rank 13th
Sack % - 12th

Rush Yds - 12th
Pass Yds - 14th
INTs - 4th lowest

The only poor OL stat was Yards per Carry and that has as much to do with the playcalling as OL performance.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;445362]"No time to throw" would indicate a poor OL. Our OL was above average with all the injuries and as long as Joe Bugel is our line coach, no matter the talent, will continue to be at worst, average. Stats from 2007:

Sacks Allowed - NFL Rank 13th
Sack % - 12th

Rush Yds - 12th
Pass Yds - 14th
INTs - 4th lowest

The only poor OL stat was Yards per Carry and that has as much to do with the playcalling as OL performance.[/quote]

Thanks for posting these stats, I was just looking for this. We were one of the least sacked teams in the NFL. I think what happened here was, we just yieled some very untimely sacks.

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[quote=SmootSmack;445299]I think unfortunately what's reported is inaccurate. Better said, incomplete. The real story is that they were exploring multiple options to do what was best for their team. And they identified early on that improving the WR position was best for the team. So they looked at drafting one in the first round, trading down to pick up a WR later and pick up draft choices, discussing various trade options for established veterans. It's just like every other team did (should have done) throughout the past several weeks. But the sexy story is "multiple picks offered for Chad Johnson." It just doesn't tell the whole story.[/quote]


I hope it is inaccurate. I just am of the camp that the way to build the team is focus on the draft first and than fill your holes with trades and free agents, as this method gives you more salary cap flexability and also injects youth into the lineup. I know that getting a proven WR may seem to be the safer route, I just hate it when someone gets that $10-20 million signing bonus and kicks their legs up knowing they are set for life and does not produce. Whereas if you draft a lower round pick (2 and below in my opinion) you often don't have to give a huge signing bonus and get 4-5 possible years of great production for a good value. Would Chad johnson be productive - probably, but what does everyone think he would cost - I heard in the range of a $20 million signing bonus, which to me is pretty excessive and if I had my way I would rather put that $20 million into multiple players (like a couple of lineman) instead. Just my opinion.

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[QUOTE=Bill B;445366]I hope it is inaccurate. I just am of the camp that the way to build the team is focus on the draft first and than fill your holes with trades and free agents, as this method gives you more salary cap flexability and also injects youth into the lineup. I know that getting a proven WR may seem to be the safer route, I just hate it when someone gets that $10-20 million signing bonus and kicks their legs up knowing they are set for life and does not produce. Whereas if you draft a lower round pick (2 and below in my opinion) you often don't have to give a huge signing bonus and get 4-5 possible years of great production for a good value. Would Chad johnson be productive - probably, but what does everyone think he would cost - I heard in the range of a $20 million signing bonus, which to me is pretty excessive and if I had my way I would rather put that $20 million into multiple players (like a couple of lineman) instead. Just my opinion.[/QUOTE]

I guarantee you it's inaccurate. You have my word.

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Well, however we got here, we still have a needs on the d line, O line, LBs, and Dbs. We MAY have gotten a potential starter on the O line, but on the d line we drafted late and that's a long shot. Likewise with the safeties and CB.

So we had, what, 10 picks, with 3 in the 2nd round, and we didn't fill those needs. Or we could have done much more to fill them than we did. That's my worry with VC. They overvalued WRs and missed a good chance to meet some needs. Even if the WRs and TE do well (and we have too many WRs now, it looks like), we still have to do lots more to get younger and to get better "from the inside out".

UDFAs are an even longer shot than drafted players, and camp cuts are generally cut for a reason. It's rare to pick someone up who is anything more than a stop-gap type player.

Next year, I hope we draft more towards the O/D lines, and I think we should explore a serious impact FA for our defensive front 7. At least we haven't added a huge FA cap hit a la AA or Lloyd!

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I liked that Cerrato made the trades, but I do feel like he might have stuck to close to the draft trade chart. With what the Panthers gave up for the nineteenth pick I felt like the most we needed to throw in to get the fourth round pick should have been the fifth rounder.

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[QUOTE=irish;445320]You arew 100% correct. [b]Everyone (except the Skins, even though they used to know it) knows that you build a team from the inside out.[/b] That means having strong O & D lines and then filling in around them. All the successful teams have done it that way and I doubt that formula for success will change anytime soon.[/QUOTE]
And Bill Parcells who always advocated building from the outside in. The lines are important, not disputing that, but skill position players put points on the board and keep them off..

The best O-line for most of this decade was the KC Chiefs, what did they win? The best D-line has been in Tampa for most of the decade, TB won once.

You've got to have better skill position (QB and LB) and perimeter players (WR & CB) than your opponent in order to win and win consistently.

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[quote=Paintrain;445399]And Bill Parcells who always advocated building from the outside in. The lines are important, not disputing that, but skill position players put points on the board and keep them off..

The best O-line for most of this decade was the KC Chiefs, what did they win? The best D-line has been in Tampa for most of the decade, TB won once.

You've got to have better skill position (QB and LB) and perimeter players (WR & CB) than your opponent in order to win and win consistently.[/quote]

Which leads me to a question, does defense really win championships? I'll save that for another thread.

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[QUOTE=12thMan;445407]Which leads me to a question, does defense really win championships? I'll save that for another thread.[/QUOTE]I think the 2000 Ravens will tell you it most certainly can.

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;445409]I think the 2000 Ravens will tell you it most certainly can.[/quote]

That's starting to look more and more like an anamoly. In the sense that, they had literally no offense that year.

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[QUOTE=Paintrain;445230]I acknowledged the line, but also said we have a good one. Samuels is a perennial pro bowler, Thomas and Rabach are very good, Jansen and Kendall are just about done but we can probably get another good season out of them both. Last year our inability to score points didn't have as much to do with not being able to protect the QB as our lack of weapons the defense had to account for and the playcalling did. Our OL depth needed (and needs) improvement, but we didn't go into the draft needing starters on the OL in '08. If Samuels or Jansen goes down for an extended period, I'm ok with Heyer and to a much lesser extent, Wade. If Thomas or Kendall goes down, we've got Alexander and the rookie. We've got a top 15 OL in the NFL right now when everyone is healthy, now we have the weaponry to utilize them.[/QUOTE]

All our OL are on the wrong side of 30 and Jansen missed the whole season with a major injury and Thomas missed most of the season so who knows how they will come back this year. But odds are we will lose 2-3 of the starting 5 to at least injury assuming they can still perform at their former levels. A good starting lineman is probably harder to find then a second TE or another possesion type receiver in which we now have the 2 we drafted to go with ARE. Hopefully Davis's blocking skills have improved because I can see us needing to hold a TE back to help out the line.

Re: Vinny Cerrato
 

Has anyone ever drafted the #1 AND#2 wide receiver and the number #1 tight end.Hell even throw in the #1 ranked punter.vinny vinny he's are man!!!!!!!

Re: Vinny Cerrato
 

Good draft Vinny! I wish we had focused a bit more on defense but with the #1 and #2 receivers in the Draft taken, the #1 TE, a good punter, and a decent OL, I really cannot be disapointed.

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[quote=irish;445228]I am not amazed at all that people on this site now love the experts and think they are experts because they gave the Skins high marks (thereby agreeing with what they think as fans). Had the experts given the Skins low marks these same people would have called the experts idiots with an anti-Redskins bias. Its the same old stuff, if they agree with me they are smart and if they dont they are idiots.[/quote]

I liked our draft before any grades came out.

The problem with your take is the experts DID like our draft.

I don't think anyone formed their opinions solely based on what the experts said. It was pretty hard to hate what the Skins did overall IMO.

Re: Vinny Cerrato
 

[quote=HOGTIMUS PRIME;445311]And here it is I thought it was brown noseing Dan.[/quote]

how am I brown nosing?

Or were you referring to Kiper?

Re: Vinny Cerrato
 

I'll be honest and admit I have criticized Vinny Cerrato in the past, but he and the rest of the "Command Staff" did a great job this weekend with the draft. I think Daniel Synder is finally maturing as an owner. I like how things are looking for the Skins in the next few years and beyond. Could be some good times to come.

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[QUOTE=irish;445347]I would consider getting a great QB & LB the only other part of building from the inside out. Teams need great QBs and need to protect them. If they dont the rest is meaningless. JC can have all the targets he wants but if he has no time to throw to them than they arent weapons.[/QUOTE]

I tend to agree that great teams have great lines. I really wanted us to pick up another O-lineman and a quality D-lineman. But, while our depth isn't that good, our starting lines are more than adequate. Moreover, fielding a bunch of quality players at skill positions in West Coast spread formations would, arguably, make some teams less eager to blitz.

Re: Vinny Cerrato
 

The one thing I never really hated about Cerrato was his ability to draft talent. I feel like he's always done a good job with the picks that we have...the biggest probelm was he always traded away those picks before he had a chance to do anything. I really never thought the people he drafted was the issue with him.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;445506]I tend to agree that great teams have great lines. I really wanted us to pick up another O-lineman and a quality D-lineman. But, while our depth isn't that good, our starting lines are more than adequate. Moreover, fielding a bunch of quality players at skill positions in West Coast spread formations would, arguably, make some teams less eager to blitz.[/quote]Well, Andre Carter had a career year last year. I don't think it would be wise to expect that kind of production again.

If Corneilus Griffin can stay healthy all year, I think our DL will do fine. However, the second he stops getting a push up the middle, Carter and Evans are no longer a threat to anyone.

Perhaps Phillip Daniels can help us as a defensive tackle/interior pass rusher this season.

Re: Vinny Cerrato
 

I'm very pleased. I like we got the number 1 and number 2 rated WR's and one of the top 3 TE's. All in the second round. I love that we got Colt Brennan. I love the other pics, they are going to work out. All of them. Mark my words. The punter is even more. A young rookie to make a pro bowler. We haven't had a good punter in YEARS. REGGIE ROBY. Anyway, the only thing I dont like, is Cerrato's eyes. Has he had botox or something? NO expression. LOL. Anyway, I just think that Cornellius is a run smasher, and since Andre has come into his own (10 1/2 sacks this year), we didn't feel DE was of that much concern. We the fans may have thought it, but I guess they didn't. We've got some core backups for DE, since we have versitle lineman in Wilson and Montgomery. We could have used better secondary help, but maybe well trade or something, I dunno. Needless to say, we had a decent draft. B+

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[QUOTE=12thMan;445407]Which leads me to a question, does defense really win championships? I'll save that for another thread.[/QUOTE]

And the answer is a resounding "no". If defense did win champiionships, we should have done a whole lot better in 2004 when we had the #3 ranked D in the NFL. We finished a whopping 6-10.

Re: Vinny Cerrato
 

[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;445506]I tend to agree that great teams have great lines. I really wanted us to pick up another O-lineman and a quality D-lineman. But, while our depth isn't that good, our starting lines are more than adequate. Moreover, fielding a bunch of quality players at skill positions in West Coast spread formations would, arguably, make some teams less eager to blitz.[/QUOTE]

I was getting really nervous about our O-line, but Jon Jansen and Randy Thomas going down in two straight games to a torn bicep and broken foot were really flukey. Otherwise we had about the frequency of injuries any offensive line should expect, maybe a little more.

There's no doubt our front five will have to start restocking for the future, but it's not like the guys we have now are keeling over left and right. We should be fine without the fluke injuries for at least this season. But next April going after another highly ranked guard and tackle should be a priority.

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As 'ol Ken Beatrice used to say, "defense wins championships and offense puts people in the stands."

I really love the fact that there are so many optimists on The Warpath and people are getting behind the team.

I'm sorry I can't be one of them. I still think Cerrato is not a legitimate General Manager and I think their picks and constant infatuation with wide receivers is simply put, a recipe for disaster.

I would have preferred for them to have gone out and taken Campbell and possibly John Greco - or traded up to pick up Merling.

Ah well, we'll see what happens, no?

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;445539]And the answer is a resounding "no". If defense did win champiionships, we should have done a whole lot better in 2004 when we had the #3 ranked D in the NFL. We finished a whopping 6-10.[/QUOTE]

Defense win championships. hands down. you just have to have the offense to accomodate that defense. not allowing the other team to score is more important than scoring, but some scoring must be done... after all thats what determines a winner.

Re: Vinny Cerrato
 

[QUOTE=Drift Reality;445571]As 'ol Ken Beatrice used to say, "defense wins championships and offense puts people in the stands."

I really love the fact that there are so many optimists on The Warpath and people are getting behind the team.

I'm sorry I can't be one of them. I still think Cerrato is not a legitimate General Manager and I think their picks and constant infatuation with wide receivers is simply put, a recipe for disaster.

I would have preferred for them to have gone out and taken Campbell and possibly John Greco - or traded up to pick up Merling.

Ah well, we'll see what happens, no?[/QUOTE]

I've got to agree. I loved the trade back, but it seems like using all your top picks on the same skill set seems like you are playing the odds. I also don't like the recent track record of USC offensive picks in the NFL, hope Im wrong.
And the standard cop-out line of the weekend is "we took the guys that were highest on OUR board, regardless of position." Since it was THEIR board, that means they took whoever the hell they wanted. I'm sorry, but what is wrong with drafting for needs when you have glaring needs and are confident in your evaluations.
But hey, I'm glad that this is clearly Vinny's team now, so we will know who is accountable. Whoever made the calls on Lloyd and Arch, as well as Peirce, should have been fired, and maybe they have been for all I know.
And yeah, defense does win championships. The Giants D-line got to Brady. That's the only thing that could have beaten the Pats.

Re: Vinny Cerrato
 

[QUOTE=Mattyk72;445497]how am I brown nosing?

Or were you referring to Kiper?[/QUOTE]

Neither, it was VC.

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I gotta say I was impressed with Vinny during the draft. And it seems like he really stuck to his guns, because he talked about how they were drafting the BPA and that's why they took guys like Fred Davis and Malcolm Kelly even though we had other needs, he said those were the top guys on our board, and he stuck with those picks probably knowing that some of the fan base would go berserk and question his intelligence about it. I was one of those fans right after it happened, but I've learned a lot about these guys the last couple days and now I do believe that all these picks can work out for us and make an impact.

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[QUOTE=Stuck in TX;445573]Defense win championships. hands down. you just have to have the offense to accomodate that defense. not allowing the other team to score is more important than scoring, but some scoring must be done... after all thats what determines a winner.[/QUOTE]

If what you say is true, then why didn't we win a championship in 2004?

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;445657]If what you say is true, then why didn't we win a championship in 2004?[/QUOTE]

Lets be clear - defense wins championships but it isn't like you can't have any offense at all. Your offense has to be able to maintain possession to some extent and ultimately, score the ball -

Now, that can be mitigated to some extent by having elite special teams (which we didn't have in 2004) or if you have a defense that creates turnovers (which we didn't have in 2004).

If we had an elite special teams unit and created turnovers then we would have won in 2004. Unfortunately, what we had was a tough defense that limited opponents yards but did not get many takeaways. Our special teams were average.

Additionally, I think we had some questionable coaching that year to compound things.

In general though - defense will win you championships. And someone else on this thread made the comment - just look at the current NFL champs. If they were all built on one side of the ball there is no way they would have stopped the machine.

Incidentally, Justin Tuck was the 74th pick overall in his draft. Just food for thought - that while we were taking three receivers, there were probably talented pass rushers who could have helped us waiting to be drafted.