Re: Picking Kelly over Sweed
 

How many times does anyone just run 40 yards in the NFL without changing direction at all?

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[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;446636]How many times does anyone just run 40 yards in the NFL without changing direction at all?[/QUOTE]

every time you run a fade

Re: Picking Kelly over Sweed
 

[QUOTE=Stuck in TX;446637]every time you run a fade[/QUOTE]

Or just a go route.

Re: Picking Kelly over Sweed
 

so only 2 routes that Moss or Randle El or Devin Thomas can run. You dont have to be a bunner to be a good reciever. Remember game speed and timed speed 2 different things.

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[QUOTE=Stuck in TX;446637]every time you run a fade[/QUOTE]

so the fade route that won the super bowl was 40 yards cause I could have sworn it was like 14

Re: Picking Kelly over Sweed
 

[QUOTE=Daseal;446633]Didn't this guy run the same speed 40 as Jerry Rice? I'm not saying he's going to be Jerry Rice -- what I am saying is straight line speed may not be the best NFL indicator.[/QUOTE]


Too much is made of 40 times, with Kelly, his ability to explode off the the line, get position on DB's, and use his frame to shield defenders will be more important in this offense than straight line speed. His ability to go in the middle (where we hardly threw the ball at all last year) and make the tough catch to move the chains is just as valuable an asset as speed. I consider him a perfect comlement to Moss, and Randle El.

As far a comparing him to Limas Sweed, only time will tell on that one. It's difficult to try to make a production comparison at this time because there's nothing to compare them too. We need to see them both play at the NFL level in order to make any determination.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;446466]Yeah, but the point was no one is going to confuse Keyshawn Johnson for Steve Smith/Terrell Owens/Randy Moss/Chad Johnson/Torry Holt.

That's the kind of player Malcolm Kelly can never be. A very good player is something he can be.[/QUOTE]

No one is going to mistake steve smith for Terrell Owens or Regie Wayne for Rnady Moss because although they are all WR they all play the game differently ... Johnson was one of the top WRs in the game until people focused on his attitude rather than his production ... I don't see how you can write Kelly off because he is similar to another NFL star who didn't quite live up to his extremely lofty expectations ...

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[QUOTE=bedlamVR;446700]No one is going to mistake steve smith for Terrell Owens or Regie Wayne for Rnady Moss because although they are all WR they all play the game differently ... Johnson was one of the top WRs in the game until people focused on his attitude rather than his production ... I don't see how you can write Kelly off because he is similar to another NFL star who didn't quite live up to his extremely lofty expectations ...[/QUOTE]

Good post.

ps- if Kelly turns out to be the next Keyshawn Johnson, we got a STEAL!

Re: Picking Kelly over Sweed
 

[QUOTE=Longtimefan;446650]Too much is made of 40 times, with Kelly, his ability to explode off the the line, get position on DB's, and use his frame to shield defenders will be more important in this offense than straight line speed. His ability to go in the middle (where we hardly threw the ball at all last year) and make the tough catch to move the chains is just as valuable an asset as speed. I consider him a perfect complement to Moss, and Randle El.

As far a comparing him to Limas Sweed, only time will tell on that one. It's difficult to try to make a production comparison at this time because there's nothing to compare them too. We need to see them both play at the NFL level in order to make any determination.[/QUOTE]

Nice post LTF, kind of stole my thunder.

Burst, quickness, suddenness are IMO better attributes for a WR than flat line speed, these attributes will allow WR's to get open more frequently, couple that with Kelly's size, his ability to use his body to shield defenders, and his great hands, I believe he is a great fit for the WCO. He may not have tested well but his game speed looked very good to me, I do not believe that speed will be an issue with Kelly.

Although we had IMO more pressing needs in this draft I do believe we definitely picked a very talented draft, I look for almost the entire draft class to be on the opening day roster and that ain't bad.

As for the Sweed comparison? He received the nod on going over the middle, that evaluation couldn't be more wrong, he dropped plenty of passes in traffic over the middle, Kelly made every catch that he could put a finger on over the middle. I wouldn't be a happy camper right now if we had picked Sweed over Kelly, time will tell who really is better but I think it will be Kelly!

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Also Malcolm Kelly is more explosive off the ball than Sweed is in my opinion.

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sweed seems more like a bust... i mean, i don't think any of this year's WRs were locks for pro bowls, but sweed would probably be #7 or 8 on my list, which puts him deep in the 3rd round.

Re: Picking Kelly over Sweed
 

Sweed is somewhat enticing because he is a 4 year senior in the middle of a heavily Junior class, but that wrist injury does make him a less-appealing guy from an experience standpoint.

For now, I'll take Kelly over Sweed, but I'm going to follow Sweed's career closely, he'll be an interesting case study.

I believe that the Redskins probably had Kelly overrated on their own board, but at the spot where they actually drafted him, the only foul was that the need was theoretically filled at that point. The value was excellent.

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[quote=GTripp0012;447179]Sweed is somewhat enticing because he is a 4 year senior in the middle of a heavily Junior class, but that wrist injury does make him a less-appealing guy from an experience standpoint.

For now, I'll take Kelly over Sweed, but I'm going to follow Sweed's career closely, he'll be an interesting case study.

I believe that the Redskins probably had Kelly overrated on their own board, but at the spot where they actually drafted him, the only foul was that the need was theoretically filled at that point. The value was excellent.[/quote]

The thing I hated about Sweed was the fact that he didn't seem to show up in big games, but when he played against the Rice's and North Texas he pwn3d n00bs. Plus thinking of that wrist injury makes me feel uneasy, not his durability, just the idea of a wrist that can't move much but makes cracking noises when it does.

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[I]Didn't this guy run the same speed 40 as Jerry Rice? I'm not saying he's going to be Jerry Rice -- what I am saying is straight line speed may not be the best NFL indicator.[/I]
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While we're on it, can anyone think of a straight line more important then the 40 yard dash?

Re: Picking Kelly over Sweed
 

game speed is the most important thing, when having this conversation. Jerry Rice wasn't the fastest 40 guy, but i cant ever remember him being caught from behind

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[quote=Dirtbag359;447222]While we're on it, can anyone think of a straight line more important then the 40 yard dash?[/quote]


The 100 Meter Dash

Re: Picking Kelly over Sweed
 

[quote=GTripp0012;446459]I think Malcolm Kelly can be a very valuable player for us for a long time and DEFINATELY seems to be a good value pick at 51. Problem is that his speed issues do prevent him from having the potential to develop into a top of the line receiver.

Still, I'm happy we have him.[/quote]40 yard time is incredibly overrated. Jerry Rice and Cris Carter both ran around 4.7 and they did nothing but make plays. We drafted Taylor Jacobs over Anquan Boldin after Boldin ran a 4.7. I've said it before, and it bears repeating, put more stock in game footage than the combine, film doesn't lie. Had we heeded the Rose Bowl film of Desmond Howard struggling to get off the line against a physical Washington Huskies D, we might have avoided that bust.

Kelly looks great on film and good luck to CBs that try jamming him at the line of scrimmage.