Re: What this all means for Moss?
 

I was comparing him to his teammates, as in the fact that he vastly outproduced every other receiver on the team in 2006, and Randle El was more productive in less time in 2007.

His traditional stats do look very similar in 06 and 07 though, he just simply dropped more passes. Catch those questionable drops, and its a great year for him. Based on that much, I think he will have a rebound season this year.

Re: What this all means for Moss?
 

Providing Moss stays healthy, I see no reason why he shouldn't be able to post numbers comparable to his 2005 season. The only uncertainty for him is injury.

The fact we signed Thomas and Kelly will only serve to strenghten the competition. Don't look for Moss or ARE to take a back seat to two rookies who still have to find their way in the league.

Much has been made of the fact we signed two receivers from the draft, but we must keep in mind we lost three receivers in Caldwell, Lloyd, and McKardell. The only receiver we have who could be in future jepordy is ARE, his salry will take a huge hike in 2009.

Depending on how swiftly Devin Thomas can develop, he's the only receiver on the roster who could possibly compete with Moss as a deep threat. Since Thomas is still a rookie, Moss's services are going to be sorely needed.

Re: What this all means for Moss?
 

I honsetly don't see this as a competition for who will be our number 1. Moss is. Hands down. He needed help. Before we had Moss, and that was it. Moss would be double teamed and either the QB (Brunell) never threw to anyone besides Moss or they missed him (Campbell). When healthy Moss can torch just about anyone but you need another receiver out there to garner some type of respect from the defense. Hopefully Kelly or Thomas can do that this year which will open up opportunities for Santana. Once defenses know that there is more on the field receiving wise other than Moss and Cooley then the Skins will be in a good spot. I think that Moss will have a good year, because of the help that he has now.

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If these Rooks turn out to be decent. It can open up things for SM...alot of things. He could be in for a big year.

If he stays healthy.

Re: What this all means for Moss?
 

My only thing with Moss is this. He himself said he "Quit" in the Green Bay game. What kind of message does this send to the team and to the Rookies. That it's ok to quit, because the game isn't going your way. Overall he is a great WR when healthy, and with him, ARE, Cooley, and anyone of the Rooks out there, I see his numbers (YAC, and TD's) increasing, b/c its his style of game. Let him catch, and run. But I lost lots of respect for him in the Green Bay game. I mean seriously even TO doesn't quit on games, he just sucks but thats a different story.

I just hope that he will be able to bounce back, and with less pressure from opposing defenses on him this year I believe that we will see a good WR in him again.

Re: What this all means for Moss?
 

The thing that I noticed about Moss is that he goes down to easily after the first hit. That is probably due to the fact that he is a bit small.

In 2005 he was hot and a kind of an unknown in our conference, and that is why he had the good success that he enjoyed. Now, teams have done their homework on him, and have him scouted-out pretty good. He was also doubled-up alot, because we really didn't have another receiver that had playmaking potential. Hopefully that has changed now with our two draft picks.

Also, because of his lack of size, he was not a threat in the redzone, and that hurt us far too many times. We need ball hungry playmakers who have crazy heart when they are out on the field. And we need people who can be counted on to extend drives when we need it. I think Moss is a great number 2 or 3 wideout, but not a number 1 or your prototypical possesion type receiver. If he continues to have injury issues and games where he does not give it his all, then he needs to go. I hope that he can still contribute for us.

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This has the potential to help him but I have seen it as the main point in this thread... he gets hurt [B]way[/B] too much. I've heard him compared to a thoroughbred horse... when healthy very good, but the slightest injury throws him off. His size really doesen't help too much either.

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I think the added depth could help Moss only indirectly. What I noticed most out of him last year were the dropped passes. Statistically, I don't know if it was the worst among starting WRs or anything like that, but what I do know is that in way too many 3rd and long situations when Moss got his hands on the ball he dropped it to end the series. As many have pointed out the passes from JC aren't always perfect but in the NFL if a "#1" WR can just get his hands on the ball then it is supposed to be a catch, right? So the other targets on O might get him open for a bit longer but he still has to make the catch to be dominant.

I've been wondering how reactive Zorn might be if Moss has really terrible performances. Would Zorn bench him for a quarter or maybe even a full game if the replacement is productive? I say this because there were games last year when Moss played so poorly I thought he should have been benched, but then the question of who to put in was always hard to answer. Maybe, if Kelly and/or Thomas develop quickly we'll see a type of rotation emerge where Moss only gets to play when he's performing.

Beyond this year I hope Moss is not our #1 WR. Overall he seems to make a lousy possession WR due to his small stature, sketchy hands and overall inconsistency.

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[quote=SmootSmack;447240]I think Kelly is more ready to play right away. Thomas is still a bit raw by comparison.[/quote]

How? Kelly didn't play in a pro style offense. From what I saw of Thomas, the coaches did a nice job of getting him the ball in different places and he was running all kinds of different pass patterns. He looked pro ready the games I saw.

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[quote=pstylee;447305]My only thing with Moss is this. He himself said he "Quit" in the Green Bay game. What kind of message does this send to the team and to the Rookies. That it's ok to quit, because the game isn't going your way. Overall he is a great WR when healthy, and with him, ARE, Cooley, and anyone of the Rooks out there, I see his numbers (YAC, and TD's) increasing, b/c its his style of game. Let him catch, and run. But I lost lots of respect for him in the Green Bay game. I mean seriously [B]even TO doesn't quit on games[/B], he just sucks but thats a different story.

I just hope that he will be able to bounce back, and with less pressure from opposing defenses on him this year I believe that we will see a good WR in him again.[/quote]

Randy Moss quit on games before..

Yes, you are right he did quit on the game but he said that he quit the game because he believed that he wasn't any use to the team due to his terrible performance? If I was a coach; I would want a player, who wants to play, on the field..

Re: What this all means for Moss?
 

[quote=pstylee;447305]My only thing with Moss is this. He himself said he "Quit" in the Green Bay game. What kind of message does this send to the team and to the Rookies. That it's ok to quit, because the game isn't going your way. Overall he is a great WR when healthy, and with him, ARE, Cooley, and anyone of the Rooks out there, I see his numbers (YAC, and TD's) increasing, b/c its his style of game. Let him catch, and run. But I lost lots of respect for him in the Green Bay game. I mean seriously even TO doesn't quit on games, he just sucks but thats a different story.

I just hope that he will be able to bounce back, and with less pressure from opposing defenses on him this year I believe that we will see a good WR in him again.[/quote]

I actually admired him for that. It takes a lot of guts to say I'm hurting the team, put in someone else, especially for a star player like Santana. From what I've seen Moss always plays hard, even during the Green Bay game, so it's not like he's a quitter and on top of that I bet no one felt worse after that game then Moss himself. Plus the coaching staff should have taken Moss out to begin with.

Re: What this all means for Moss?
 

He had some bad games early in the year, w/the GB game being probably the worst of his career. While he may have lost that one, he's also single-handedly won or turned games around, which we saw a lot of in 05 & we saw late last year. At the end of last year I don't think there was any more dangerous reciever in the league. He was healthy & confident & Collins was confident in him. He might not've racked up major stats, but he made big plays in big games, e.g. NYG, Minn. & Dallas.

He's still a home run hitter & brings that threat to the offense, plus he's pretty good on the short stuff if he's hit in stride & able to make some moves after the catch. Let's face it, there are only a few recievers in the league that produce major #s & are good team players & don't gripe when they don't get the ball. M. Harrison, Holt, Fitzgerald, Marshall & H. Ward come to mind. It's a position known as much for media highlights as game highlights.

For that reason, I'm glad we traded for Moss, he's been a good player & team leader, always seems to carry himself well on & off the field and has said he likes being a Redskins, unlike the dude we traded for him. He's still our go to guy on the outside & I hope he puts up some big #s again.

Re: What this all means for Moss?
 

[quote=4mrusmc;447333]The thing that I noticed about Moss is that he goes down to easily after the first hit. That is probably due to the fact that he is a bit small.

In 2005 he was hot and a kind of an unknown in our conference, and that is why he had the good success that he enjoyed. Now, teams have done their homework on him, and have him scouted-out pretty good. He was also doubled-up alot, because we really didn't have another receiver that had playmaking potential. Hopefully that has changed now with our two draft picks.

Also, because of his lack of size, he was not a threat in the redzone, and that hurt us far too many times. We need ball hungry playmakers who have crazy heart when they are out on the field. And we need people who can be counted on to extend drives when we need it. I think Moss is a great number 2 or 3 wideout, but not a number 1 or your prototypical possesion type receiver. If he continues to have injury issues and games where he does not give it his all, then he needs to go. I hope that he can still contribute for us.[/quote]

Don't really agree that the conference has scouted him therefore they've figured him out.

I do think the lack of any other threat besides Cooley has left him doubled a majority of the time. I do believe he can be a legit red zone threat w/ some more weapons at WR. That's why if the Rooks...Thomas, Kelly, Davis can prove worthy it'll open some things up for everyone else.

Re: What this all means for Moss?
 

[QUOTE=redsk1;447457]Don't really agree that the conference has scouted him therefore they've figured him out.

I do think the lack of any other threat besides Cooley has left him doubled a majority of the time. I do believe he can be a legit red zone threat w/ some more weapons at WR. That's why if the Rooks...Thomas, Kelly, Davis can prove worthy it'll open some things up for everyone else.[/QUOTE]

or he can help in the redzone and draw attention to himself while its dumped off the Kelly, Davis, Sellers, or Thomas.

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i really don't think moss is in as much danger as El..But all that means is ship up or ship out..