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[QUOTE=goredskins1983;447641]I would rather have Todd Collins start anyways. Granted, he ran an Al Saunders offense that he knew in KC, but he has what it takes to win games and run an offense. his QB rating was about 100, and lead us to 5 straight wins. Its clear Campbell cannot run an offense. He makes too many key mistakes, like the ends of the TB and Dallas games where he threw costly picks. His TD and INT ratio is bad, and his QB rating has been low as well, in the high 70's. The upsetting thing is that his stats show no improvement year to year. We cannot win with him, just look at his record as a starter, its below 500. though collins is old, he really hasnt been banged up much in his career due to being a backup.[/QUOTE]

There's a reason that he was a backup for 10 years. HE'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO BE A 16 GAME STARTER! Campbell after 16 games has a better TD:INT, QB rating and completion percentage than many Hall of Famers (Elway and Favre to name a couple quick ones) at the same point in their careers.

Do some of you guys not actually watch football and realize it takes some/most QB well into their 3rd year as a consistent starter to establish what type of QB they are going to be? Would anyone take Drew Brees, Matt Hasselbeck, Donovan McNabb or Marc Bulger right now? I'd say just about anyone who says Campbell isn't going to be good would take one of them now. All of them experienced significant growing pains and struggles early in their careers and have been Pro Bowl QB since.

Give him time before writing him off.

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believe me, i hope i am wrong
he just doesnt appear comfortable running an offense. and so far it has showed.

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[quote=goredskins1983;447641]I would rather have Todd Collins start anyways. Granted, he ran an Al Saunders offense that he knew in KC, but he has what it takes to win games and run an offense. his QB rating was about 100, and lead us to 5 straight wins. Its clear Campbell cannot run an offense. He makes too many key mistakes, like the ends of the TB and Dallas games where he threw costly picks. His TD and INT ratio is bad, and his QB rating has been low as well, in the high 70's. The upsetting thing is that his stats show no improvement year to year. We cannot win with him, just look at his record as a starter, its below 500. though collins is old, he really hasnt been banged up much in his career due to being a backup.[/quote]

If you do a search you can probably find a whole bunch of other threads about Jason Campbell and copy and paste into those as well.

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campbell is a deadbeat loser. his record as a starter sucks. his QB rating sucks. he throws untimely INTs (TB and Dallas games). he has shown NO improvement year to year. let me guess, you probably liked ramsey too, right? The QB position requires brains as well as skill...you put in Collins and he goes 4-1. No superbowl, but Campbell was 4-6 as a started including a win against AZ in which the Skins had 178 yards of total offense and used the D to win. wow thats great, let me tell you. I want to win now, and I want the guy who can get wins. You may like a 4-6 record, and perhaps you used to be an ex Lions or ex Cardinals fan? lucky for you, there was a coaching change, else, Gibbs and Saunders would have kept Collins as a starter for next year.

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[QUOTE=goredskins1983;447678]campbell is a deadbeat loser. his record as a starter sucks. his QB rating sucks. he throws untimely INTs (TB and Dallas games). he has shown NO improvement year to year. let me guess, you probably liked ramsey too, right? The QB position requires brains as well as skill...you put in Collins and he goes 4-1. No superbowl, but Campbell was 4-6 as a started including a win against AZ in which the Skins had 178 yards of total offense and used the D to win. wow thats great, let me tell you. I want to win now, and I want the guy who can get wins. You may like a 4-6 record, and perhaps you used to be an ex Lions or ex Cardinals fan? lucky for you, there was a coaching change, else, Gibbs and Saunders would have kept Collins as a starter for next year.[/QUOTE]

Good luck on lasting a week.

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wow great comeback.

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Hopefully, it doesn't linger through the season.

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The Z man isin't worried about it, so neither am I

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[quote=goredskins1983;447678]campbell is a deadbeat loser. his record as a starter sucks. his QB rating sucks. he throws untimely INTs (TB and Dallas games). he has shown NO improvement year to year. let me guess, you probably liked ramsey too, right? The QB position requires brains as well as skill...you put in Collins and he goes 4-1. No superbowl, but Campbell was 4-6 as a started including a win against AZ in which the Skins had 178 yards of total offense and used the D to win. wow thats great, let me tell you. I want to win now, and I want the guy who can get wins. You may like a 4-6 record, and perhaps you used to be an ex Lions or ex Cardinals fan? lucky for you, there was a coaching change, else, Gibbs and Saunders would have kept Collins as a starter for next year.[/quote]


Every QB every year will throw costly and untimely int's, thats part of the game. Did JC happen to run over your dog this weekend or something?

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7 -12 record as a starter and a QB rating thats been in the bottom third of the league the last 2 years isint going to get us any NFC east crowns....

i just want to win

and im sorry, he's not a diamond in the rough......

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[quote=goredskins1983;447678]campbell is a deadbeat loser. his record as a starter sucks. his QB rating sucks. he throws untimely INTs (TB and Dallas games). he has shown NO improvement year to year. let me guess, you probably liked ramsey too, right? The QB position requires brains as well as skill...you put in Collins and he goes 4-1. No superbowl, but Campbell was 4-6 as a started including a win against AZ in which the Skins had 178 yards of total offense and used the D to win. wow thats great, let me tell you. I want to win now, and I want the guy who can get wins. You may like a 4-6 record, and perhaps you used to be an ex Lions or ex Cardinals fan? lucky for you, there was a coaching change, else, Gibbs and Saunders would have kept Collins as a starter for next year.[/quote]
Are you serious or just trolling? Let's look at some facts:

Todd Collins is a career back-up. He QB'd games against the Bears (lots of rain), Giants (wind storm), Vikings, and Cowboys (resting for playoffs). He threw for 156 against the Giants, 261 against the Vikes, 223 against the Cowboys. Our D was playing very well in those four games and those are not stellar passing numbers. Collins played solid and came through in those games to his credit. However after a few weeks of film on him, Seattle made him look pretty bad and I recall a couple of "untimely interceptions" in that game.

You imply that Campbell lacks "brains". I would say the Wonderlic test is a good raw indicator of "brains". Campbell scored a 28. Lets look at some other "smart" QBs: Hasselbeck - 29, Peyton Manning - 25, Marc Bulger - 29, Drew Brees - 28, Carson Palmer - 26, Tom Brady - 33. Not only is your statement insulting, it's flat-out wrong. Before you make statements like that you should check your facts so you don't appear to lack "brains".

A 77.6 QB rating, while not stellar, surely doesn't "suck". Campbell has shown improvement year-to-year even with a rookie QB coach. His Yards per Game went from 185 to 207. His completion % went from 53.1 to 60. His Int % dropped from 2.9 to 2.6 (7th best in the NFL).

Campbell is basically entering his sophomore season, having started only 19 games. If you look at Matt Hasselbeck in his first 12 games he had a 54.8 completion % and a 70.9 QB rating. The next seaon he started 12 games and improved to 63.7 completion % and an 87.8 rating. The following season he was a Pro-Bowl caliber QB, posting a 61 completion % and a 91.4 QB rating. Campbell has better physical skills, a stronger arm and the same "brains" as Hasselbeck. With Zorn mentoring and developing JC, expect him to be playing at a Pro Bowl level towards the end of this season or early next season.

Also, No way Gibbs would've made Collins the starter had he stayed either.

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[QUOTE=LMsexyAO;447567]Assuming that does happen (which I highly believe it wont), don't you think TODD COLLINS, the proven backup and team leader, will lead the team to the playoffs, not the unproven, 6th round draft pick rookie who has never so much as play a down of professional football in his life?[/QUOTE]


Dude thats Fantasy okay not reality..But i do think Colt is the Qb of the future...A Passion Project if you will. I'm not sold on JC really. He had a few okay games last year but not a 1st round draft level thats for sure. Who has good seasons first year starting? Big Ben, Phillip Rivers and Tom Brady all has.

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JC will prove he is the man, this WC system will suit him much better, wait and see

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slingin sammy - a 77 QB rating is below average. its in the bottom third of the league. His rating was 77 the previous year which means he is showing no improvement. collins may not be the answer, but he would feel more confident in him running an offense.

and for every hasselback there is a patrick ramsey and heath shuler

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they ran a WCO at Auburn when he was there, no?

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[quote=goredskins1983;447759]slingin sammy - a 77 QB rating is below average. its in the bottom third of the league. His rating was 77 the previous year which means he is showing no improvement. collins may not be the answer, but he would feel more confident in him running an offense.

and for every hasselback there is a patrick ramsey and heath shuler[/quote]

Are you saying that if right now you had to choose a starting QB to take us through the year you would go with Collins over Campbell?

you just need to respond with a yes or no, no explanation needed.

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chris140-64 just scroll through the thread to see my stance

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[QUOTE=prinzeofmoval;447751]Dude thats Fantasy okay not reality..But i do think Colt is the Qb of the future...A Passion Project if you will. I'm not sold on JC really. He had a few okay games last year but not a 1st round draft level thats for sure. Who has good seasons first year starting? Big Ben, Phillip Rivers and Tom Brady all has.[/QUOTE]

Are you serious with Big Ben and Phillip Rivers? Tom Brady, is an exception because at the time NE didn't have a very good running game. But as for the other 2 they only passed when they had to they both relied on their teams running game. I mean Ben had games in his first year where he only had 9 or 10 attempts in a game. Tell me a game where Ben or Rivers put the team on his back and won the game through the air. I am pretty sure that you can't. Because either the other teams shut down the running game or it was the running game that won it for Ben or Rivers...

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[quote=Redskins8588;447771]Are you serious with Big Ben and Phillip Rivers? Tom Brady, is an exception because at the time NE didn't have a very good running game. But as for the other 2 they only passed when they had to they both relied on their teams running game. I mean Ben had games in his first year where he only had 9 or 10 attempts in a game. Tell me a game where Ben or Rivers put the team on his back and won the game through the air. I am pretty sure that you can't. Because either the other teams shut down the running game or it was the running game that won it for Ben or Rivers...[/quote]

A thoughtful comeback, and something that crossed my mind as well. Of course, I had trouble taking much of what he said seriously after he said "Colt Brennan is the future".

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Cambells still to young to be throwing him under the bus.. if cambell does well this year guarantee we wont see your dumbass on the board anymore. And your right he's not a diamond in the rough, we got him in the first round

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I'm not going to repeat that post by quoting it, but that is totally uncalled for, I'd suggest you edit that right away.

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Dude's just trying to get under peoples skin and its working

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quick random question, does anyone know if we have signed any of our draft picks to a contract yet??

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[QUOTE=DiehardSkin88;447774]Cambells still to young to be throwing him under the bus.. [/QUOTE]

No man, that's what a lot of Redskins "fans" do. If a guy isn't great right outta the gate then he's not a good player and never will be.

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DiehardSkinsFan - I just write my thoughts but I dont call people dumbasses as you do. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Isint that what this website is for? to talk about topics.

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yea, and my opinion is your a dumbass haha

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lol, useless tool.

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[quote=goredskins1983;447768]chris140-64 just scroll through the thread to see my stance[/quote]

Well, in that case, if Zorn doesnt cut it this year, you have my vote for the opening next year.

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great, nice compliment

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[quote=goredskins1983;447759]slingin sammy - a 77 QB rating is below average. its in the bottom third of the league. His rating was 77 the previous year which means he is showing no improvement. collins may not be the answer, but he would feel more confident in him running an offense.

and for every hasselback there is a patrick ramsey and heath shuler[/quote]
So that's your comeback....QB rating & Ramsey? There are several factors in QB rating. To look at that stat alone and judge a QB, especially one with only 19 starts, is very short-sighted. Eli Manning had a 73.9 QB rating and that turned our pretty good for the Giants once he "got it" toward the end of the season / playoffs. Vince Young had a 71.1, Marc Bulger had a 70.3, should those guys be benched?

If Collins is so much better than Campbell, why did no other NFL team snatch him up in the FA market this off-season? Why did he re-sign for back-up QB $$$? You are definitely entitled to your opinion, but your opinion is wrong. I will take the opinion of Joe Gibbs, Jim Zorn and every other coach & GM in the NFL who passed on Collins as a free agent before your mis-guided one.

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[quote=goredskins1983;447678]campbell is a deadbeat loser. his record as a starter sucks. his QB rating sucks. he throws untimely INTs (TB and Dallas games). he has shown NO improvement year to year. let me guess, you probably liked ramsey too, right? The QB position requires brains as well as skill...you put in Collins and he goes 4-1. No superbowl, but Campbell was 4-6 as a started including a win against AZ in which the Skins had 178 yards of total offense and used the D to win. wow thats great, let me tell you. I want to win now, and I want the guy who can get wins. You may like a 4-6 record, and perhaps you used to be an ex Lions or ex Cardinals fan? lucky for you, there was a coaching change, else, Gibbs and Saunders would have kept Collins as a starter for next year.[/quote]

I usually respect everyone's opinions and debate with it if my opinions happen to be different.. But I always think that nobody has right to put football players down, especially when that person does not have great knowledge about football..

You are right, Campbell did blow some games but he also won some games for us.. Everyone have their good and bad days including during the gamedays.. You said that Campbell is not smart? I find that very hard to believe, along with some people's facts they just posted to prove you wrong in this thread, if Campbell is not smart as you claimed - then tell me this, how did he managed to survive with 7 different offense system in 8 years? (I believe the numbers are right? If it's not, I'm pretty sure that the number is close to correct number.) It is VERY difficult to learn different offense every year, and I believe Campbell handled it very well.. Please, next time before you start talking shit about someone, think it out and find all facts before you start say something..

I do understand your "anger", as Redskins haven't been exactly great team lately.. But dude, we were great in 80's; every team will have their turn to shine.. You cannot expect a team to be GREAT for years and years, perhaps unless you have same coach for years.. But this does not give you a right to lash out on players who you have not spend time to get to know them. Chill out dude!

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[QUOTE=Redskins8588;447771]Are you serious with Big Ben and Phillip Rivers? Tom Brady, is an exception because at the time NE didn't have a very good running game. But as for the other 2 they only passed when they had to they both relied on their teams running game. I mean Ben had games in his first year where he only had 9 or 10 attempts in a game. Tell me a game where Ben or Rivers put the team on his back and won the game through the air. I am pretty sure that you can't. Because either the other teams shut down the running game or it was the running game that won it for Ben or Rivers...[/QUOTE]

Its about the system and how quickly one can adapt. Ben beat both the SuperBowl teams two weeks straight Eagles and Patriots whom both had one loss between them at the time and only loss in one start that season before losing in the playoffs.After his Superbowl season he started every game except the season opener (missed after having appendectomy)…broke the team single-game record for completions as he posted 38 against Denver…his 433 yards passing against Denver were the second-highest total in team history…finished the season with a career-best 3,513 passing yards with 18 touchdowns.It wasn't Jerome Bettis or the defense that got him there because if so what happened when Maddox and Batch start? As for Rivers do you not remember that herioc drive vs Seattle his first starting season? Last play of the game was a pass to Vincent Jackson in the back of the endzone. Also if it wasn't for an injured knee he would've taking out the Patriots in the Afc Championship. Phillip Rivers is 25-7 as a starter..what other stats you need?

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[QUOTE=prinzeofmoval;447819]Its about the system and how quickly one can adapt. Ben beat both the SuperBowl teams two weeks straight Eagles and Patriots whom both had one loss between them at the time and only loss in one start that season before losing in the playoffs.After his Superbowl season he started every game except the season opener (missed after having appendectomy)…broke the team single-game record for completions as he posted 38 against Denver…his 433 yards passing against Denver were the second-highest total in team history…finished the season with a career-best 3,513 passing yards with 18 touchdowns.It wasn't Jerome Bettis or the defense that got him there because if so what happened when Maddox and Batch start? As for Rivers do you not remember that herioc drive vs Seattle his first starting season? Last play of the game was a pass to Vincent Jackson in the back of the endzone. Also if it wasn't for an injured knee he would've taking out the Patriots in the Afc Championship. Phillip Rivers is 25-7 as a starter..what other stats you need?[/QUOTE]

So the running game that both teams have did nothing for them? You mean to tell me that if you take away Tomlinson and Pittsburgh running attack that Rivers and Ben are on the same level as Brady and Manning? I don't believe it. I am not saying that they are bad QB's, but what I am trying to say is that they fell into teams with a good system in place...

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[QUOTE=Redskins8588;447830]So the running game that both teams have did nothing for them? You mean to tell me that if you take away Tomlinson and Pittsburgh running attack that Rivers and Ben are on the same level as Brady and Manning? I don't believe it. I am not saying that they are bad QB's, but what I am trying to say is that they fell into teams with a good system in place...[/QUOTE]

Like the message started out the are in a system they were able to adapt to. L.T. is the best back in the league of course it helped having him back there. Yet it does matter about the Qb also. Matt Leinart(whom I love dearly as a passionate U.S.C. fan) fell into a perfect system where he shouldv'e rocked yet he's getting rocked, lets face it leinart grabbed way more press into the draft then Ben and Phillip. Its how well you adapt and work your skill.

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[QUOTE=Slingin Sammy 33;447802]So that's your comeback....QB rating & Ramsey? There are several factors in QB rating. To look at that stat alone and judge a QB, especially one with only 19 starts, is very short-sighted. Eli Manning had a 73.9 QB rating and that turned our pretty good for the Giants once he "got it" toward the end of the season / playoffs. Vince Young had a 71.1, Marc Bulger had a 70.3, should those guys be benched?

If Collins is so much better than Campbell, why did no other NFL team snatch him up in the FA market this off-season? Why did he re-sign for back-up QB $$$? You are definitely entitled to your opinion, but your opinion is wrong. I will take the opinion of Joe Gibbs, Jim Zorn and every other coach & GM in the NFL who passed on Collins as a free agent before your mis-guided one.[/QUOTE]

Well if I was a backup QB who knew the QB in front of me couldn't cut the mustard I would sign on, especially with a team and players I already know, Collins doesn't have a whole lot of time, our situation is probably his best shot, to start up somewhere new at his age would be very difficult.

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[QUOTE=Redskins8588;447830]So the running game that both teams have did nothing for them? You mean to tell me that if you take away Tomlinson and Pittsburgh running attack that Rivers and Ben are on the same level as Brady and Manning? I don't believe it. I am not saying that they are bad QB's, but what I am trying to say is that they fell into teams with a good system in place...[/QUOTE]

Campbell had a HOF coach, and an apparent HOF back in his prime, with as good or better receiving corps as either of those teams, and he also had a very good defense as well. Campbell has a ton to prove we better hope that the WCO makes a bell go off in his head because he's been inadequate to say the least so far in his career.

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[QUOTE=prinzeofmoval;448044]Like the message started out the are in a system they were able to adapt to. L.T. is the best back in the league of course it helped having him back there. Yet it does matter about the Qb also. Matt Leinart(whom I love dearly as a passionate U.S.C. fan) fell into a perfect system where he shouldv'e rocked yet he's getting rocked, lets face it leinart grabbed way more press into the draft then Ben and Phillip. Its how well you adapt and work your skill.[/QUOTE]

True, that Leinart fell in to a system with 2 pro-bowl receivers but lets face facts also, the O-line that Leinart has to protect him is far from being one of the best in the league. I mean that line last season gave up 24 sacks and only alowed there running game to average 3.6 yards a carry only leaving KC and the Bears worse than them. Where Ben and Rivers not only fell in to a good system but they also fell in to good teams...

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[quote=HOGTIMUS PRIME;448045]Well if I was a backup QB who knew the QB in front of me couldn't cut the mustard I would sign on, especially with a team and players I already know, Collins doesn't have a whole lot of time, our situation is probably his best shot, to start up somewhere new at his age would be very difficult.[/quote]
My point was that if Collins was such a good QB, potential starter material, why didn't any other team make him an offer with starter $$$, or close to it. The Bears, Vikes, Lions, Jets, Falcons all need QB help, why no big $$ offers (rhetorical)....Because the talent evaluators in the NFL know he is what he has been for the last 10 years, a back-up QB.

For you guys that think Collins is the "second-coming" did you not see the Seattle playoff game.

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[QUOTE=HOGTIMUS PRIME;448046]Campbell had a HOF coach, and an apparent HOF back in his prime, with as good or better receiving corps as either of those teams, and he also had a very good defense as well. Campbell has a ton to prove we better hope that the WCO makes a bell go off in his head because he's been inadequate to say the least so far in his career.[/QUOTE]

I understand what you are saying, I am not defending Campbell. I am just saying that Ben and Rivers had everything set up for them to succeed. And the one thing that you are missing is that Campbell did not have a very good playcaller and the offense that he was running has not fully matured under Sanders and Gibbs. I guess you could say that some of the offense was predictable at times...

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This thread is retarded.