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[quote=freddyg12;450159]right
my bad, got some names mixed up. The skins looked hard at Brown in 2000 when we had the 2 & 3 overall picks & got Lavar & Samuels instead.[/quote]

Brown went #1 overall though, so the Skins never had the option of taking him.

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;449924]Would you cut Chris Wilson or Demetric Evans? I think both of those guys have done more than James [I]in the NFL[/I].[/QUOTE]

That is exactly what I was thinking. Evans and Wilson are currently better than the one knee James.
James has two ACL replacement surgeries on the same knee with in two years.. ..not good. Pius he is an undersized speed pass rush DE, so having a bad knee pretty much takes away his strength (speed). I would not touch the guy.

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I just saw on Redskins.com that we TRADED for James. A conditional 7th round pick. Wasn't he cut? That's BS. Only the Redskins could trade for a player that was cut. Also, what does that mean for salary? Instead of picking him up as a FA and giving him a vet. minimum, are we now liable for the rookie 1st Round salary that he's supposed to get paid? Anyone know what that is? This doesn't smell right...

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[quote=Ade Jimoh Fan Club;450189]I just saw on Redskins.com that we TRADED for James. A conditional 7th round pick. Wasn't he cut? That's BS. Only the Redskins could trade for a player that was cut. Also, what does that mean for salary? Instead of picking him up as a FA and giving him a vet. minimum, are we now liable for the rookie 1st Round salary that he's supposed to get paid? Anyone know what that is? This doesn't smell right...[/quote]

Exactly what I was thinking.

[url=http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/05/redskins_trade_for_erasmus_jam.html]Redskins Trade for Erasmus James - Redskins Insider[/url]

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At least we only gave up a conditional 7th round pick. Just don't think he will be healthy enough to help.

Has he taken or passed team physical?

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[QUOTE=Ade Jimoh Fan Club;450189]I just saw on Redskins.com that we TRADED for James. A conditional 7th round pick. Wasn't he cut? That's BS. Only the Redskins could trade for a player that was cut. Also, what does that mean for salary? Instead of picking him up as a FA and giving him a vet. minimum, are we now liable for the rookie 1st Round salary that he's supposed to get paid? Anyone know what that is? This doesn't smell right...[/QUOTE]

Well, the Vikings had actually changed their mind on waiving him. There is some loophole that lets you do that. I think after he's gone through 24 hours on the waiver wire, or something like that.

Either way, this is a bit of a headscratcher. I mean a conditional 7th round pick isn't grand larceny. But what about my main men Wilson and Buzbee? I really wanted James though...back in March 2005. Now? Not so much.

Let's see what happens

Big question: Does he get the vet min?

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I've updated the thread title

I guess the Jason Taylor talk is probably out now

Mixed emotions on this. It's not a terrible move, but seems kind of pointless.

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Just noticed that John Palermo, our D-Line Coach, coached James at Wisconsin, so he at least knows what he's getting in terms of character/work ethic.

The injured legs is the biggest concern. Is the conditional 7th rounder structured so that we give them a 7th rounder IF he plays XX% of games/downs? Or is it structured so that the pick we give them goes HIGHER if he plays XX% games/downs. Surely a 7th rounder is not a problem to trade for him if he works out - even if he's simply solid D-Line depth. 7th rounders rarely turn out that good.

Second biggest concern is the salary. I'm sure his 1st Rounder rookie contract has some big $$ thrown in for this year and next - are we now liable? 7th Rounder and Vet Min. for a guy that the coaches know is a good deal. Otherwise, we've been hoodwinked.

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[quote=SmootSmack;450194]I've updated the thread title

I guess the Jason Taylor talk is probably out now

Mixed emotions on this. It's not a terrible move, but seems kind of pointless.[/quote]


If he is able to come in and be even a RELIABLE backup then it would have been a very good move

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Great move. This will give him motivation to do well since this is his last year of his contract

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Hopefully the deal is that we give a 7th if he makes the team and nothing if he doesn't make it.

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This is a great move. James is an absolute handful as a pass rusher. We just need to get lucky with his knees. If he can stay healthy he makes the team easily. Buzbee and Wilson are just nowhere near James in terms of strength at the point of attack and talent. This guy is definitely someone you want to take a gamble on.

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[QUOTE=Ade Jimoh Fan Club;450196]Just noticed that John Palermo, our D-Line Coach, coached James at Wisconsin, so he at least knows what he's getting in terms of character/work ethic.

The injured legs is the biggest concern. Is the conditional 7th rounder structured so that we give them a 7th rounder IF he plays XX% of games/downs? Or is it structured so that the pick we give them goes HIGHER if he plays XX% games/downs. Surely a 7th rounder is not a problem to trade for him if he works out - even if he's simply solid D-Line depth. 7th rounders rarely turn out that good.

Second biggest concern is the salary. I'm sure his 1st Rounder rookie contract has some big $$ thrown in for this year and next - are we now liable? 7th Rounder and Vet Min. for a guy that the coaches know is a good deal. Otherwise, we've been hoodwinked.[/QUOTE]

Yeah I had never made that connection about Palermro before.

As for the pick, apparently if he makes the team the Vikings get our 7th round pick and if he doesn't they don't

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[QUOTE=steveo395;450199]Hopefully the deal is that we give a 7th if he makes the team and nothing if he doesn't make it.[/QUOTE]

I think you're right

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Good move, hopefully when Erasmus and Chris Wilson hit the field at the same time hopefully they can bring a good pash rush.

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good move by vinny. f the naysayers. the DE we drafted in THIS years seventh round is no lock to make the roster. regardless of his injury history, we got a 1st round talent for a 7th round pick. even if we end up cutting him, that's the same risk we'd be running using the pick on a rookie next year.

also, i can't imagine why so many people are ready to banish this kid to the CFL just because the vikes cut him. who cares??? sometimes a player doesn't fit the team. sometimes a team doesn't fit the player. how quickly we forget that this is the same vikings administration that recently cut our beloved smoot....

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I don't care that the Vikings cut him, or thought about cutting him. That means nothing. My only concern is his health, or lack thereof. How long until his next crippling injury?

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He had three operations on the same knee. The first two were performed by a doctor not named James Andrews. The last surgery performed in early December was performed by Dr. James Andrews. Hopefully he will be all fixed now because if Andrews can't fix it you are done.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;450207]I don't care that the Vikings cut him, or thought about cutting him. That means nothing. My only concern is his health, or lack thereof. How long until his next crippling injury?[/QUOTE]

or jansen's or thomas' or griff's or marcus' or moss' or springs' or... you get my point.

of course his injuries are a concern. but i'd say our pass rush is a far greater concern. considering we did virtually nothing to address it in the draft/free agency, i'd say the potential reward here far outweighs the risk.

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I'll be damned. Guess Cerrato wasn't kidding when they said they like adding guys who have experience with the coaching staff. Oh well we got the fan base screaming [I]low risk, high reward[/I], which is true but when 45 people say it like they're the first ones to notice, it gets annoying.

Anyway even though this falls under the fans acting like kids in the cereal aisle with "[I]this guy was released lets get him, or this guy this guy and this guy how about that guy mom I want him he's a 1st round pick buy me a country"[/I] its still nice to have some news at this point, and on top of that it's not the type that makes me say what were they thinking, kind of like my initial reaction during the draft or the signing of a deviant like Mathis, but I guess that balanced out when they signed the equally righthous JT Mapu, because you know thats how the world works.

In other news we've lost mini-Strahan aka Dorian Smith as a result. Fire Cerrato.

Also Scouting report from 2005. Things to notice:
1. 8 sacks his senior year
2. His nickname is the eraser
3. Durability concerns

[B]Strengths:[/B] Has adequate overall size, a terrific frame and the potential to get bigger. Has a powerful upper body. Knocks offensive linemen back upon initial contact. Is athletic and smooth. Has the COD skills to work back inside as a pass rusher. Has long arms and has learned to use them well. Has shown much improved array of pass rush moves. Is quicker than fast. Has very good anticipation and initial quickness. Fires off the ball quickly and with good leverage Has good instincts and does a fine job of locating the ball. Is disciplined for such a productive pass rusher. Does a good job of keeping contain. Played with a much higher motor in 2004. Fights through double teams and shows terrific stamina. Shows very good closing burst to the quarterback. Is a powerful tackler that also has improved in terms of wrapping up in space. Will chase and pursue versus the run.

[B]Weaknesses:[/B] Lack of ideal base is a concern. Still needs to improve lower body strength. Must be able to hold his ground better at the POA in the NFL. Has adequate top-end speed for an edge rusher but not elite. Won't be able to turn the corner as easily in the NFL. Durability is a severe concern.

[B]Overall:[/B] James improved his draft value as much or more than any other prospect in the 2005 class as a senior in 2004. After sitting out the entire 2003 season with a hip injury there were lots of questions about James' durability, shape, explosiveness and strength. With 34 total tackles, including 11.5 tackles for loss and eight sacks in 10-of-11 regular season games played in 2004, the fifth-year senior put a lot of those fears to rest. James did miss one game in 2004 due to an ankle injury but it was not serious and he showed no ill effects from the previous season's hip injury. James lacks elite top-end speed and he still must improve his bulk and lower body strength, but his improvement as a senior shocking. He played with better technique, a much higher motor, showed more power at the POA and also showed much more explosive burst when closing in on the quarterback/ball carrier. He could slip a little bit due to his durability concerns but James played his way into the first round of the upcoming draft.

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[B]Comment: [/B]James brings tremendous potential having shown flashes of explosive ability as a pure pass rusher especially the second half of his rookie season finishing with four sacks, two passes defended and 29 combined tackles only to tear his ACL early in his second season. James brings an explosive first step, terrific edge speed and excellent athleticism in the pass rush. His lateral explosiveness may be affected following his knee surgery as well as his change of direction skills. James has impressive football instincts along with body control and outstanding use of his hands that help him both separate from blockers and win in pass rush situations. James compensates for being undersized playing with good knee bend and leverage, yet versus the run he struggles to hold point and cannot anchor against bigger offensive linemen. This lack of bulk and strength is a liability especially when opponents attack his edge in the run game. The major question will be how this young athlete whose game depends on speed, quickness and athleticism will return from major knee surgery.

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[quote=SeanTaylor21;450203]Good move, hopefully when Erasmus and Chris Wilson hit the field at the same time hopefully they can bring a good pash rush.[/quote]

Why are you taking Andre Carter out?

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There's nothing about this move that has me jumping for joy, like problem answered OR we now have some stud at DE, couldn't be any further from the truth. This guy has proven he can not stay healthy could not even pass a recent physical in Minn., what makes me think he all of a sudden will? Nothing!

I will take a wait and see approach on him, first off just see if the kid can pass the physical tomorrow. If so we didn't as it appears give up much of anything for him IF he happens to make the team. If we get VERY lucky maybe the kid can provide depth at DE for us something that surely would not hurt. But with his injury track record I'm not very optimistic about him providing much of anything to our team.

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[QUOTE=Dirtbag359;450211]Why are you taking Andre Carter out?[/QUOTE]

Everyone needs rest.

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[quote=SeanTaylor21;450214]Everyone need rest.[/quote]

Alright thats fair, but not every 3rd down situation. We don't exactly have a Justin Tuck type that can move inside (save Daniels but he might be moving to DT anyway).

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Thats awsome, that his line coach was Palermo, and he wanted him. He must have liked him alot more tha Calais Campbel, who he passed on twice.

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I will take the wait and see approach on this one as well. Worst case scenario is that he doesn't make the team and we lose nothing. Best case is the knee is repaired and he has a good year rushing the passer and we lose a 7th rounder. Tremendous upside to this deal if it works out and very little risk. I would take those kind of deals all day long.

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wow thats a tough one to call..not..pass if the guy can't pass physicals why are we gonna tie our money up with him.Lets concentrate on the players we have.

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I remember this guy coming out of Wisconsin a few years ago and he was a monster. But he hasn't been able to do much of anything since he turned pro and there is a reason Minn basically cut the guy. Good pass rushing DE's in the NFL don't get cut or traded for 7th round draft picks if they're any good. I just don't think this guy can play at the NFL level.

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jbcjr -- worst case scenario is he makes the team, we lose a 7th, and he does nothing. For those of you complaining about the 7th round pick, it comes down to the waiver wire. If James were waived, we wouldn't necessarily have first crack at him would we? Wouldn't other teams get first shot?

Either way -- good depth. There's a chance he could become a pass rusher -- I doubt it. However, he's a very very good backup for us.

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[quote=skinsfan69;450221]I remember this guy coming out of Wisconsin a few years ago and he was a monster. But he hasn't been able to do much of anything since he turned pro and there is a reason Minn basically cut the guy. Good pass rushing DE's in the NFL don't get cut or traded for 7th round draft picks if they're any good. I just don't think this guy can play at the NFL level.[/quote]

Back to back to back knee injuries are the major factor with James being released.

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I don't have much of a problem with taking a chance on him, except for the fact that we could have paid him the vet min, instead of 1 mil base he is do now, due to the trade. I hope he does not make the team because I think Wilson will be a 6-9 sack guy and I want Evans and Buzbee to be the other 2 DE backups. WE NEED A NICKLE DB!!!!! We were 16th in pass defense last year and we had Taylor and Rogers for half a season(ranked No.1 before they went out). We are going to have our season ruined by bad pass defense!!!! That is the only issue I have with Cerratto is that he is not good at evaluating a roster. Any GM would notice this glaring need, but Cerratto sees Springs and Smoot and thinks we are set, when any elite football guy would say wow we are thin at DB. We can not put our season on the hope that Springs will play 16 games, which he has only done 1 time, since signing with Washington. We should have drafted Carl Nicks instead of Tyron and then got Tyron in the 6th, where he was projected to go, or drafted Scandrick in the 4th over Tyron because he is so much more physically gifted. I like Synder's enthusiasm, but he and Vinny just do not know how to properlly evaluate a roster, particullarly depth and they do not understand the value of certain positions, just the obvious positions like WR and RB.

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I don't think James will make the team. I don't mind the Skins giving him a shot though.

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Also how do you start a thread on this web site, because I really want to discuss this Fred Davis pick. Mark my words: Three years from now, we will be on Warpath asking ourselves how the skins could pick Davis over Bennett, who our rival Cowboys picked. He is an awsome blocker, which we need at TE and an awsome redzone target at 6'7, with a 34 inch vertical jump. He played B-ball and could dunk over his coach. Yes, he had 49 receptions, compared to Davis' 62, but most scouts agreed he was poorly utilized at Texas A&M and he was a junior, where as Davis is a senior. Davis only had 38 receptions as a junior and he is a converted WR. Bennett will be WAYYYYY better.

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Wait and see, a next year 7th round pick for an ex-1st rounder i'll take that worst case he gets cut if we start him on 3rd down pass rushing situations and his age is great 25, we might use rotate DL and keep them fresh lets wait and see at least it gives us something to talk about.

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Yeah even though I don't think he'll be able to cut it for the 'Skins, if it does work out a 7th rounder isn't that high of a price to pay for him. And if he doesn't work out then no loss.

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[QUOTE=RIGGO/NYC;450229]Also how do you start a thread on this web site, because I really want to discuss this Fred Davis pick. Mark my words: Three years from now, we will be on Warpath asking ourselves how the skins could pick Davis over Bennett, who our rival Cowboys picked. He is an awsome blocker, which we need at TE and an awsome redzone target at 6'7, with a 34 inch vertical jump. He played B-ball and could dunk over his coach. Yes, he had 49 receptions, compared to Davis' 62, but most scouts agreed he was poorly utilized at Texas A&M and he was a junior, where as Davis is a senior. Davis only had 38 receptions as a junior and he is a converted WR. Bennett will be WAYYYYY better.[/QUOTE]

LOL, your career is not off to a great start huh? I think you have to get to 10 posts first.

BTW, there is already at least one Fred Davis thread. Would have made more sense to post this rant there rather than in the Erasmus James discussion. [url]http://www.thewarpath.net/nfl-draft-central/23331-fred-davis-profile.html[/url]

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Anyway, I don't have any issues with this move. While James has certainly been a disappointment, he still has enough upside to warrant the investment of a conditional 7th. In college he was arguably the best end in the country, and it has been injuries rather than talent which has prevented him from achieving that kind of success in the pro's. Also, remember Minnesota has what many consider to be the best Dline in football. We don't, so the fact that there wasn't room for him on that roster doesn't mean we should necessarily dust off the old "chasing other people's trash again" argument.

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[QUOTE=djnemo65;450233]Anyway, I don't have any issues with this move. While James has certainly been a disappointment, he still has enough upside to warrant the investment of a conditional 7th. In college he was arguably the best end in the country, and it has been injuries rather than talent which has prevented him from achieving that kind of success in the pro's. Also, remember Minnesota has what many consider to be the best Dline in football. We don't, so the fact that there wasn't room for him on that roster doesn't mean we should necessarily dust off the old "chasing other people's trash again" argument.[/QUOTE]

I have to agree w/ most of this. I know he has been injured and injuries are a problem. I think (if he can pass him physical) he could be an asset to this team as a solid back-up, something we need on the dline.

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huh, actually I have more than 10 posts, but please do not refer to this passing of time as a carreer. But back to my point, this trade should have been done for a nickle, instead of a washed out pass rusher. I know some idiot is going to say washed out is inaccurate, due to his age of 25, but he is washed out and will do absolutely nothing with the skins. Just to show you how stupid this front office is, he will make the team, costing us a 7th rounder and have no more than 2 sacks. This is Jerome Mathis all over again, but at least Mathis was the vet min and did not cost a pick potentially.

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Not a bad risk at all. We only lose a pick if he makes the team.