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The idea behind this plan is good, but I don't think it is a very realistic one. There is no possible way the entire country's infrastructure could be completely replaced by renewable sources in ten years. It would cost way too much money. It can be done eventually, but it isn't going to happen in ten years.

There are also still problems with solar and wind power. Solar panels don't work at night and are very expensive. Wind turbines don't work if there is no wind. That means these systems need backup power sources, because there are no batteries big enough to store energy for everyone when it is dark out or there is no wind.

Also electric cars are very expensive and it would be impossible to get everybody in the country to replace their cars with electric ones in 10 years.

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I don't think anything is impossible for us production-wise. Looking back at our country's history we see numerous situations that were very nearly impossible logitics-wise to overcome but we've always used our number one resource to conquer. Smarts. Given a motivated populous and even more motivated gov't I believe we could re-infrastructure in Gore's 10 years. The bigger questions are how do we really motivate everyone, how much are we willing to sacrifice, and what are the RIGHT solutions for tomorrow and beyond?

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[quote=FRPLG;457562]I don't think anything is impossible for us production-wise. Looking back at our country's history we see numerous situations that were very nearly impossible logitics-wise to overcome but we've always used our number one resource to conquer. Smarts. Given a motivated populous and even more motivated gov't I believe we could re-infrastructure in Gore's 10 years. [B]The bigger questions are how do we really motivate everyone[/B], how much are we willing to sacrifice, and what are the RIGHT solutions for tomorrow and beyond?[/quote]

Tax breaks for companies who build wind turbines, nuclear power plants, or solar panel fields.

It's that easy. You'll be amazed how many companies jump at it.

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[quote=FRPLG;457562]I don't think anything is impossible for us production-wise. Looking back at our country's history we see numerous situations that were very nearly impossible logitics-wise to overcome but we've always used our number one resource to conquer. Smarts. Given a motivated populous and even more motivated gov't I believe we could re-infrastructure in Gore's 10 years. The bigger questions are how do we really motivate everyone, how much are we willing to sacrifice, and what are the RIGHT solutions for tomorrow and beyond?[/quote]

And there's nothing wrong with setting lofty goals. I too think it's possible if the right people and resources are in place.

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[quote=jsarno;457551]I understand. That was my point about him being the spokesperson, whether we like it or not, [B]the message is going to be lost with MANY people because of who Gore is. [/B] It's unfortunate.[/quote]

That's the fault of those that choose to not listen to the message. Not much you can do about closed minded folks like that.

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[QUOTE=FRPLG;457562]I don't think anything is impossible for us production-wise. Looking back at our country's history we see numerous situations that were very nearly impossible logitics-wise to overcome but we've always used our number one resource to conquer. Smarts. Given a motivated populous and even more motivated gov't I believe we could re-infrastructure in Gore's 10 years. The bigger questions are how do we really motivate everyone, how much are we willing to sacrifice, and what are the RIGHT solutions for tomorrow and beyond?[/QUOTE]

Very good points, and those are exactly the kind of tough questions that need to be answered by the two candidates in the upcoming political race. I think the motivation by the populace is rapidly becoming more evident, the higher prices that we are paying at the pump are trickling down into the prices we pay for goods and ultimately services.

This has already started to show in certain areas, Budweiser bought by In-Bev. Coke is already on record as saying it wants to save $500 million in the next two years, which means a buyout for it could be forthcoming. As we lose more and more American icons to foreign investors, as more American jobs are outsourced, and as more Americans' daily lives are affected, these could be the motivating factors for the sacrifice necessary. Perhaps, just a theory...

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[quote=Schneed10;457537]That's simply you trying to justify to yourself why it's OK to turn a blind eye to the energy crisis.[/quote] I happen to ride my bike to work most days . I never stated using alternative fuels , wind , solar ect. are not what we should be doing . We should be exporting coal , drilling for gas and Natural gas . If you want to follow a man who live's like a king telling you to not have the comforts he enjoys , more power to you .

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[quote=Schneed10;457547]That's good. It's just frustrating to hear people let themselves get distracted from an issue that costs us all so much real money out of our pockets. Nobody should care whether Al Gore's a hypocrite when he's laying out a plan that could ultimately save each American household $2000 a year or more.

Would you like a $2000 raise? (rhetorical directed at everyone, not you Jsarno) I know I would. And hell, if I need to watch Al Gore on TV every single night on the news to get it, it's worth it.[/quote] How do you get 2,000 per year ? This coming from a socialist who wanted to keep the income tax rate at 70 % in 1981 and wanted raise cap gaines tax ,, at 39% ? IN 1996 he told Virginian's that we should " be ashamed " for wanting the car tax reduced ? He is against Nuke power ,Drilling for oil and Nat. gas at home ? He says that China should have NO emissions standards because they are a " developing " nation ? China is 7,000 years older than us ,,, screw him . I agree with you that the "issue" is most important , But most of us do not care to have a self centered lying Ass telling us to live below his standards .

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[quote=budw38;457704]How do you get 2,000 per year ? This coming from a socialist who wanted to keep the income tax rate at 70 % in 1981 and wanted raise cap gaines tax ,, at 39% ? IN 1996 he told Virginian's that we should " be ashamed " for wanting the car tax reduced ? He is against Nuke power ,Drilling for oil and Nat. gas at home ? [B]He says that China should have NO emissions standards because they are a " developing " nation ? China is 7,000 years older than us[/B] ,,, screw him . I agree with you that the "issue" is most important , But most of us do not care to have a self centered lying Ass telling us to live below his standards .[/quote]

See, you were making some sense and then you blew it with the highlighted segment. Now I'll have to verify if anything you actually wrote is credible...I'm feeling kinda lazy right now so I'm going to assume it's not and write you off as an idiot.

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[QUOTE=budw38;457704] He says that China should have NO emissions standards because they are a " developing " nation ? China is 7,000 years older than us ,,, screw him . [/QUOTE]

China's status as a developing nation has nothing to do with the age of the culture and civilization. Here's a breakdown from wikipedia on development.

"Development entails a modern infrastructure (both physical and institutional), and a move away from low value added sectors such as agriculture and natural resource extraction. Developed countries, in comparison, usually have economic systems based on continuous, self-sustaining economic growth in the tertiary and quaternary sectors and high standards of living."

China is probably better categorized as an emerging country. As far as emissions standards for other countries, I think the history of our nation shows that we probably should focus on our own environmental efforts. This way we can lead from the forefront, instead of shrinking into a "They're not doing it, why should we" argument that neither deals with the issue or generates any positive dialogue.

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[quote=djnemo65;457504]"Mr. Buster, where the f--- you at? Can't scrap or lick, so I know you got yo gat." Hilarious.

Schneed pointed this out already, but switching the source of energy production from fossil fuels to renewables means Gore can keep his house and still be green. So his energy consumption has nothing to do with this conversation. Pointing out that Gore's energy consumption is higher than usual, while usually a somewhat dishonest attempt to obfuscate an important issue, is in this case completely irrelevant.

And I love how you respect buster enough to call him Mr. but Gore is just Al. I mean, I don't care about the latter but you are seriously killing me with the Mr. Buster.[/quote]

Interesting........you seem to be a little.............sensitive on the Al issue? To much caffeine....or truth?

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[QUOTE=Hog1;457744]Interesting........you seem to be a little.............sensitive on the Al issue? To much caffeine....or truth?[/QUOTE]

You just dropped too much truth on me MR. Hog, and I lost my mind.

And what is the Al issue? The fact that there is a so called "Al issue" is what's wrong with this thread, imo.

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:)

[url=http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=7431198]CFL Bulbs Have One Hitch: Toxic Mercury : NPR[/url]

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[quote=djnemo65;457513]You guys make it sound like Gore is burning barrels of oil in his yard. He lives in a mansion, which uses more electricity than a not-mansion. He's not riding around the country on a coal-powered bicycle, OK?

And Jsarno, you are confused about what we are discussing. This isn't about Gore reducing his home's dependence on fossil fuels - which means nothing more than the symbolic - it's about America completely changing its infrastructure, for both security and environmental reasons. So when you question whether or not Gore has done "it" yet, I question if you understand what we are talking about here, because that response makes no sense to me.[/quote]
No Gore and his wife own several very, very large homes, a private jet, a fleet of large cars etc... ect... He needs to start at home and then start preacing to us and what we should do in our lives. I don't have a problem with what he says only with how he does not even follow his own advise.

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For all of you that say listen to the message and do not focus on the messenger are probably people that voted for Gore. If Bush was doing the same thing you guy's would be bashing hime all over the place.

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[quote=firstdown;458121]For all of you that say listen to the message and do not focus on the messenger are probably people that voted for Gore. If Bush was doing the same thing you guy's would be bashing hime all over the place.[/quote]

I really don't care who the message comes from to be honest. I only wish that Bush would step up and say these sort of things.

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[QUOTE=firstdown;458121]For all of you that say listen to the message and do not focus on the messenger are probably people that voted for Gore. If Bush was doing the same thing you guy's would be bashing hime all over the place.[/QUOTE]

Wow, nothing like making baseless statements like that one...

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[QUOTE=firstdown;458121]For all of you that say listen to the message and do not focus on the messenger are probably people that voted for Gore. If Bush was doing the same thing you guy's would be bashing hime all over the place.[/QUOTE]

If Bush was doing the same thing? You mean living like a rich person? He is. He does. I've never heard anyone anywhere criticize Bush for his carbon footprint. Being a great leader is about having an aggressive vision for a better future and articulating it, and sometimes asking the public to make sacrifices and changes in the name of what's right. Bush hasn't done that, and that's the problem.

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[quote=djnemo65;458165]If Bush was doing the same thing? You mean living like a rich person? He is. He does. I've never heard anyone anywhere criticize Bush for his carbon footprint. Being a great leader is about having an aggressive vision for a better future and articulating it, and sometimes asking the public to make sacrifices and changes in the name of what's right. Bush hasn't done that, and that's the problem.[/quote]


[url=http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/house.asp]snopes.com: A Tale of Two Houses[/url]

FYI

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[quote=djnemo65;458165]If Bush was doing the same thing? You mean living like a rich person? He is. He does. I've never heard anyone anywhere criticize Bush for his carbon footprint. Being a great leader is about having an aggressive vision for a better future and articulating it, and sometimes asking the public to make sacrifices and changes in the name of what's right. Bush hasn't done that, and that's the problem.[/quote]
Bush is not the person who says the world is coming to an end thats Gore so he is not being hipocritical which was my point.

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[quote=Mattyk72;458135]I really don't care who the message comes from to be honest. I only wish that Bush would step up and say these sort of things.[/quote]
So if Bush was saying these things and doing the opposite you would be praising him for doing so?

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[QUOTE=firstdown;458121]For all of you that say listen to the message and do not focus on the messenger are probably people that voted for Gore. If Bush was doing the same thing you guy's would be bashing hime all over the place.[/QUOTE]

BS. I think Gore is a crackpot. But on this he is right. Whether or not he follows his own advice is comeltely irrelevant to the message. I'm confounded by those who don't see that.

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[quote=FRPLG;458189]BS. I think Gore is a crackpot. But on this he is right. Whether or not he follows his own advice is comeltely irrelevant to the message. I'm confounded by those who don't see that.[/quote]
But isn't following your own advise showing that you really believe in what your saying and/or doing?

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[quote=firstdown;458181]So if Bush was saying these things and doing the opposite you would be praising him for doing so?[/quote]

Again, I'm concerned about the message. I could care less who is saying it.

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"Gore insists the only real obstacle is the reluctance of America's leaders to seek bold solutions to high energy prices and global warming."

What about his reluctance?

"It represents a challenge to all Americans in every walk of life: to our political leaders, entrepreneurs, innovators, engineers and to every citizen."

All but him I guess?

"But he said Thursday he also likes the idea of cutting the payroll tax and creating a new tax on carbon emissions, which would give a leg up to low-carbon sources."

Maybe he just wants to help fund the program with his own high carbon emissions?

It is only a truly dysfunctional system that would buy into the perverse logic that the short-term answer to high gasoline prices is drilling for more oil 10 years from now."

He thinks with all the bright minds we can do his plain in 10 years but it will take us 10 years to get oil and we allready have the technology? HMMM

I guess if he does not feel he needs to make the change maybe next time he should have the press conference in front of his hugh mansion.

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Ugh just forget about who is saying it, that's not what's important. :doh:

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[quote=saden1;457708]See, you were making some sense and then you blew it with the highlighted segment. Now I'll have to verify if anything you actually wrote is credible...I'm feeling kinda lazy right now so I'm going to assume it's not and write you off as an idiot.[/quote]
The " idiots " are the people who base their opinions on emotion , not facts .

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[quote=firstdown;458190]But isn't following your own advise showing that you really believe in what your saying and/or doing?[/quote] Yes . Al just wants to take credit for the changes taking place now , as spending on alternative energy has gone from 20 billion a year when he left office to 130 billion now . 20 years from now he will claim to have discovered Natural gas and invented solar energy :) . I honestly hope we just do what is going to get us off of importing oil from the middle east . If I ever win the lottery , I will buy the Warpath a Natural Gas powered bus and drive us to all the home games ,,,, as long as I can have a few cold beers

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[quote=budw38;458317]Yes . Al just wants to take credit for the changes taking place now , as spending on alternative energy has gone from 20 billion a year when he left office to 130 billion now . 20 years from now he will claim to have discovered Natural gas and invented solar energy :) . I honestly hope we just do what is going to get us off of importing oil from the middle east . If I ever win the lottery , [B]I will buy the Warpath a Natural Gas powered bus and drive us to all the home games ,,,, as long as I can have a few cold beers[/B][/quote]

You can drink the beers after I get home safely.

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[quote=budw38;458316]The " idiots " are the people who base their opinions on emotion , not facts .[/quote]

It would be wise to follow your own edict... then again i doubt you see the irony of your own proclamation. Sad really.

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[QUOTE=Hog1;458175][url=http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/house.asp]snopes.com: A Tale of Two Houses[/url]

FYI[/QUOTE]

Excellent link, thanks. I had no idea! (about Bush's house that is)

I do find it odd that some people don't think we should question Gore. To me, he's the kind of person that is the problem. We as "the little people" are making strides to go more green (with or without his message) and he is not making an effort at all. If we can't put him into question, who can we??? I don't know about where you guys live, but I am seeing more and more motorcycles, and scooters around here as well as a TON of hybrids. The message is being heard loud and clear by millions upon millions of americans. SO maybe it's time to question the so called leaders of "green". Maybe then we'll actually have a greener america.

I do find it even more upsetting that Gore actually seemed to rip off the idea. Is that all this guy does is try to take credit for others ideas???

On a side note, my wife and I are looking at building a house, so any "green" suggestions (minus geo thermal heating / cooling, and solar panels) would be appreciated. I'd like to go as green as possible, but due to the fact that I have an older house, I really don't know everything that could be done. (within reason).

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[quote=jsarno;458361]Excellent link, thanks. I had no idea! (about Bush's house that is)

I do find it odd that some people don't think we should question Gore. To me, he's the kind of person that is the problem. We as "the little people" are making strides to go more green (with or without his message) and he is not making an effort at all. If we can't put him into question, who can we??? I don't know about where you guys live, but I am seeing more and more motorcycles, and scooters around here as well as a TON of hybrids. The message is being heard loud and clear by millions upon millions of americans. SO maybe it's time to question the so called leaders of "green". Maybe then we'll actually have a greener america.

I do find it even more upsetting that Gore actually seemed to rip off the idea. Is that all this guy does is try to take credit for others ideas???

On a side note, my wife and I are looking at building a house, so any "green" suggestions (minus geo thermal heating / cooling, and solar panels) would be appreciated. I'd like to go as green as possible, but due to the fact that I have an older house, I really don't know everything that could be done. (within reason).[/quote]
What are you thinking? Gore should follow his own advise and go more green. He has done his part by asking the goverment to do its part and for all Americans to do their part so why should he have to lead by example? Him just saying what we should do is good enough. Forget that he is flying around in his gas sucking private jet from one place to the next spreeding the word to go green or sitting around in his home which burns all that energy.

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[quote=firstdown;458391]What are you thinking? Gore should follow his own advise and go more green. He has done his part by asking the goverment to do its part and for all Americans to do their part so why should he have to lead by example? Him just saying what we should do is good enough. Forget that he is flying around in his gas sucking private jet from one place to the next spreeding the word to go green or sitting around in his home which burns all that energy.[/quote]

RELAX..............Gore is out right now, feverishly shopping for a solar conversion kit for ...........one of his jets......DAMMIT, where did I park the Hummer?

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[quote=Hog1;458427]RELAX..............Gore is out right now, feverishly shopping for a solar conversion kit for ...........one of his jets......DAMMIT, where did I park the Hummer?[/quote]
Oh well that clears up everything. One question. If he is looking for a solar conversion kit for one of his jets what happens if it gets cloudy when they are up in the air?

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i cant take it anymore. you guys that will make excuses for anything that our president does, make me chuckle. this venom and hatred of Bush started back in 1992, when the republican party declared war on then president, Bill Clinton. you guys feverishly attacked him on everything from foreign policy, to how much he paid for a hair cut. you spewed down right nastiness towards any decisions he made, right or wrong. and now you guys don't like it, now that the tables are turned. well, as much as i don't like it, you had better get used to it. i guess its known as the new politics?

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[QUOTE=dmek25;458579]i cant take it anymore. you guys that will make excuses for anything that our president does, make me chuckle. this venom and hatred of Bush started back in [b]1992[/b], when the republican party declared war on then president, Bill Clinton. [b]you guys[/b] feverishly attacked him on everything from foreign policy, to how much he paid for a hair cut. you spewed down right nastiness towards any decisions he made, right or wrong. and now you guys don't like it, now that the tables are turned. well, as much as i don't like it, you had better get used to it. i guess its known as the new politics?[/QUOTE]

cause we were all on this site in 1992??????

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[quote=dmek25;458579]i cant take it anymore. you guys that will make excuses for anything that our president does, make me chuckle. this venom and hatred of Bush started back in 1992, when the republican party declared war on then president, Bill Clinton. you guys feverishly attacked him on everything from foreign policy, to how much he paid for a hair cut. you spewed down right nastiness towards any decisions he made, right or wrong. and now you guys don't like it, now that the tables are turned. well, as much as i don't like it, you had better get used to it. i guess its known as the new politics?[/quote]
Bush started the hat toward Clinton? This is not even about Clinton or Bush its about a man who goes out in public and talks of all this change we need to make but he fails to do so himself. I'm not saying what he is saying is wrong its is inactions to do so himself is what is the issue. Its like congress pushing SS down our throat but they have a different plan for themself and that encludes both Dem & Rep.