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Anybody else find it strange that Taylor said he wanted to go to a contender but here he finds himself going to a team that is starting up with a new Head Coach? I'm optimistic about this year, but if I were in Taylor's shoes, I don't know that this would have been the first place on my list. That said, if we somehow make the playoffs this year, I can definitely see him sticking around for 2 or 3 more years.

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It was a desperate move but a good one because you lose two DE's one a starter not sure how E. James will be after his injury plus Chris Wilson isn't a every down DE I would have preferred a 3rd rounder but yeah this might be one of the best 2nd round trades in a while for us.

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[quote=70Chip;457924]We're going to get squashed in the running game. Taylor is the type of phony that ESPN loves to hype but he's not an everydown guy which is why Parcels has been trying to dump his ass from the moment he got there. Leave it Snyder and Ceratto to make his dreams come true. These two are quite a piece of work. Dumb and Dumber.[/quote]
I'm concerned about the run game too, but this does help our pass rush. Blache will need to be creative/aggressive on run downs so we don't get exposed there. I don't have a problem with the move, I just wish we could've gotten Miami down to a 3rd & 6th rather than a 2nd.

Taylor doesn't fit in Parcells' 3-4, he's a 4-3 DE. This isn't a case of dumb & dumber, it's a case of "Oh $hit, we just lost 2 DEs in one day". JT will need to make the transition from Weak to Strong-side though, this is a very legit concern. Blache being a DL coach, I'm sure will scheme to protect him in the run game.

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i dont like the fact that the espn article says that he has said in the past that this is his last year, but i am glad that we didnt give up a first rounder. welcome to the team jason, dont let us down

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This trade and picking up the best punter available in the draft has in my opinion made this defense 20-30% better. Now if our offense can learn this Zorn offense quickly, this could be a lot of fun.

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[QUOTE=EXoffender;457919]Updating Madden roster as we speak.[/QUOTE]

Yes!!!!

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Based on this years draft we gave up our 1st round pick for (2) 2nd round picks, we will try to do a similar deal next year so giving up a 2nd for next year in my opinion isn't a big deal for a player of JT talent HAIL TO THE SKINS!

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Good Deal for everyone........way better than P. Daniels.....best thing that could have happen to us

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No More Injuries Please

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Love this move! JT for 2 years is better than any of this year's 2nd round picks so a 2nd rounder next year (hopefully a pick in the bottom third of the round) is a great deal. As for his detriment to the run game, expect him to play LB in Goalline or short yardage situations. He's been an OLB in the 3-4 recently so he would actually make the short yardage run D better.

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I can't wait to here the John Thompson show tomorrow and here Al Kokin complain about this deal.

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This brings up a question for Chris Wilson, as what will happen to him? Since P. Daniels was not going to play as pass rusher - when D plays that package, then Chris Wilson comes in.. But now we have 2 premier rushers, what will happen to him? I'm not saying that we would release him or anything like that but I believe that would stunt his growth on the field..

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;457888]The 6th is almost valueless, just a throw in deal, but Miami really made out on us with the 2nd. I mean, if Daniels doesn't go down, they either have to settle for a 4th from someone else, or just hold on to him for this season.

This is almost as nice for them as getting a 2nd for Chris Chambers. Not quite that good, but close.[/QUOTE]

Seem to remember a certain Quarterback taken in the 6th round (#199 overall) that seems better than average.......guy named Tom Brady.

Don't discount the value of later round picks, although semi-rare some tend to pan out nicely. That is why so many teams trade out of the early rounds to acquire more picks in the second day rounds. Diamond in the rough and not paying rounds 1 to 3 contract is worth that risk.

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You have got to love the quickness by the front office to fill in the gap. Great job

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[quote=sandtrapjack;457940]Seem to remember a certain Quarterback taken in the 6th round (#199 overall) that seems better than average.......guy named Tom Brady.

Don't discount the value of later round picks, although semi-rare some tend to pan out nicely. That is why so many teams trade out of the early rounds to acquire more picks in the second day rounds. Diamond in the rough and not paying rounds 1 to 3 contract is worth that risk.[/quote]Spergon Wynn was also a sixth rounder. Scouts were just as high on him as they were on that other guy.

My point is this: people (and some football execs) overvalue 5th-7th round picks, but they seem to undervalue undrafted free agency as a means for roster filling. Because the bottom of the draft is screwed up, it makes sense to trade those picks for veteran talent, and be very agressive in signing undrafted free agents.

Many UDFAs don't get a fair shot because the team "invested" in a late rounder. If, instead, they kept the spots on their roster open, and signed a bunch of quality talent while only keeping the best, they'd be more efficient in team building.

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You have to wonder how we did this so quickly. I mean we must have been in the talks for a couple weeks because it doesn't make sense that we could do this so quickly when teams have been trying to move Taylor for months. Also when we didn't give the dolphins more than they were being offered before. Again, good job front office

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Going to be sooooo weird seeing a Taylor jersey out there linded up with the D again ... Do us Taylor fans and the name proud Mr. JT!!!! ....

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otl9BQdjzo4]YouTube - Sean Taylor LEVELS a punter[/url]

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[QUOTE=hesscl34;457944]Going to be sooooo weird seeing a Taylor jersey out there linded up with the D again ... Do us Taylor fans and the name proud Mr. JT!!!! ....

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otl9BQdjzo4]YouTube - Sean Taylor LEVELS a punter[/url][/QUOTE]

I was thinking the exact same thing. It will be surreal.

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I am ok with the 2nd. It's not like we traded for a chump. Is he a downside guy? Yes but we didn't trade a 1st (our m.o. usually) and we got a high charcter guy who will bring something to the table almost guaranteed. If we get one good year it was an ok deal if we get two then it was a good deal. If he gets hurt and sucks then that's life. If he just plain blows then we're cursed and it doesn't matter anyways to me.

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How strange, we lose two DE’s to season ending injuries and we actually improve at the position.

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Ain't that the truth

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I really like this move but do have a couple of concerns.

I was reading an article earlier today on the Redskins official site that said that Zorn's practices were going to be more up tempo and have more contact, especially in the trenches. I just hope that these 2 very early injuries are just a fluke and there are not more to come. I don't know much about NFL practices but maybe it is better to ease into full pads with contact. On the other hand, I have always liked coaches who work the players hard.

I also worry about stopping the run. How nice would it be to still have Wynn right now?

All in all, I think this is going to make our entire D a LOT better.

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BTW - if JC gets hurt tomorrow expect to see a #4 on this team.

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[QUOTE=81forHOF;457951]BTW - if JC gets hurt tomorrow expect to see a #4 on this team.[/QUOTE]

LOL. Don't even joke about JC...

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I’m actually anxious to hear more players opinions on the tempo of practice, it sounds pretty rough out there. I hope that it does not have a negative effect on team morale, especially if there are more injuries early in camp.

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I like this deal a lot. Its gonna be weird seeing another Taylor and it not being #21.

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Daniels' injury could be a blessing in disguise.

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I'm still not a fan of this deal, but I spin it this way: at least we didn't give up a mid round pick to go after a guy who really wouldn't help us in the short term and has no development potential.

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The idea of Carter and Taylor coming off the edges... wow I'm super pumped right now.

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It's going to be great if we can get 10 point leads into the second half. That was actually a pretty significant problem last year.

The pass rusher is sort of like the bullpen in baseball. Having it is always a weapon, but it really earns its pay when the game is being won late.

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And it doesn't hurt on those 3rd and longs when you need that extra pressure.

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I wonder what # he's going to take. I doubt AC is gonna give up #99.

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Taylor coming off the left side is exciting. He's used to the right end spot, but the three other QBs in the division are all right handed throwers. Our D has been 9th or better 3 out of the last 4 seasons, and that's with basically no backside QB pressure. Now we get fierce pass rush from both sides. He and AC bookending that line is gonna be fun to watch. This is a great move for us, especially if he plays two seasons. (btw Taylor hasn't missed a start this decade).

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Well our pass rush certainly has improved with the addition of Taylor. Still, definitely feel bad for Daniels, an underappreciated run-stopping DE whose career may have just ended considering his age; and Buzbee a local kid trying to make it in the league.

This isn't a dumb move by any means by the front office, considering the cards they were dealt. But someone will have to step up on the run defense. Evans?

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[quote=Mattyk72;457960]Daniels' injury could be a blessing in disguise.[/quote]

Blessing in disguise? How? The guy has been dancing all off season. Plus he wants to only play one more year. This is why you have draft picks waiting in the wings when your 50 year old DE does down. And don't give me any Buzbee talk cause he didn't even see the field last year. He was a practice squad player. I'm talking about a draft pick that can step right in. What about Evans?? You don't see the NYG trading for anyone once Strahan stepped down. That's cause they prepared for his retirement. I think depending on Daniels to make it through another year was a mistake and this trade was a knee jerk reaction. Awful trade.

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[quote=81forHOF;457950]I really like this move but do have a couple of concerns.

[B]I was reading an article earlier today on the Redskins official site that said that Zorn's practices were going to be more up tempo and have more contact, especially in the trenches. I just hope that these 2 very early injuries are just a fluke and there are not more to come.[/B] I don't know much about NFL practices but maybe it is better to ease into full pads with contact. On the other hand, I have always liked coaches who work the players hard.

I also worry about stopping the run. How nice would it be to still have Wynn right now?

All in all, I think this is going to make our entire D a LOT better.[/quote]

Well, today's practices were half-pads, and apparently PD just got his leg tied up with someone on the line. I don't think practice intensity had much to do with his injury, especially on the very first play. And Buzbee's ruptured achilles occurred without contact while he was just backpedaling, so that's definitely a fluke.

That being said, I hope Zorn and Co. use this as an opportunity to explain to the players how critical it is to stay well hydrated, stretch thoroughly, and to properly communicate each and every physical issue that comes up to the doctors/training staff in order to receive proper treatment. Taking care of their bodies is absolutely mandatory. Fluke injuries occur, but you can cut down the likelihood by taking good care of yourself and paying attention to your body.

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What about E. James?? Or was that move just a waste of time?

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[quote=skinsfan69;457975][B]Blessing in disguise? How?[/B][/quote]

Simple, Jason Taylor is a Pro Bowl caliber player. Phillip Daniels while a solid player was nothing special. We needed this upgrade even before Daniels went down. Now we have two ends who can both get around the corner. I don't see how you can not like this deal considering the circumstances. And there's already been indications that he will play out his 2 years at the least.

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[quote=skinsfan69;457977]What about E. James?? Or was that move just a waste of time?[/quote]

He's not even healthy enough yet. He was never looked at as being an immediate solution anyway.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;457975]Blessing in disguise? How? The guy has been dancing all off season. Plus he wants to only play one more year. This is why you have draft picks waiting in the wings when your 50 year old DE does down. And don't give me any Buzbee talk cause he didn't even see the field last year. He was a practice squad player. I'm talking about a draft pick that can step right in. What about Evans?? You don't see the NYG trading for anyone once Strahan stepped down. That's cause they prepared for his retirement. I think depending on Daniels to make it through another year was a mistake and this trade was a knee jerk reaction. Awful trade.[/QUOTE]

Some thoughts

1. Agree that losing Daniels is not a blessing in disguise

2. So he danced, so what? It's not like he got out of shape or has ever come to a season unprepared

3. How do you know a draft pick would be any more prepared to come in than a player who actually has a year of NFL experience, albeit limited, under his belt?

4. How exactly did the Giants prepare for Strahan's retirement?

5. I think labeling this trade awful is...a knee jerk reaction