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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;462128]Don't worry the Zornometer Poll™ is going to be a regular occurrence here to take the temperature of the Skins fan base.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, let's see if this is delivered as consistently as BrudLee's Weekly Power Poll ;)

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Pregame it would have been 2.
Never a head coach.
Never called plays
Very little experience.

After the game he showed he knows how to call plays.
Head coaching is more than a successful preseason game though.
I give him a 3.....he'll have to beat NY or Dallas to get a 4 out of me.
To me....a 5 is a coach who gets you to the playoffs and beyond.

He's still a rookie folks

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Wrong!!!

The Correst Answer is 3.

Bye Bye.

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Wrong!!!

The Correst Answer is 3.

Bye Bye.[/quote]

LOL nice

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[quote=Hog1;462134]Is the correct pronunciation Zorn-ahm-iter, or Zorn-O-meater?
Mod's, please, a ruling?[/quote]

If you graphed all our responses would it be a Zornograph? And couldn't such an endeavor be called Internet Zornography? I'm so clever.

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He's an inspiration to me. Unfortunately I entered 1 when I ment 5.

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[quote=RedskinRat;461985]What are you basing your 3 on? Surely 3 would be a fair assessment for someone with nothing to judge on but credentials from a previous job, not his current one?

The 4 I'm giving is based on how he's handled Training Camp, interviews, media, and the 'meaningless' pre-season game. Did you notice how amped up the Vets were after the pick in the final few minutes of the 'meaningless' game? Would that have happened last season? He deserves a 4.[/quote]

Given this:

"Rank your current confidence level in Zorn with 5 being total confidence and 1 being none."


It seems to me that 3 would be the natural choice seeing he hasn't done squat-diddly for me to give him positive or negative confidence rating. Also, pre-season doesn't build confidence...not when you subscribe to sadenism anyways.

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Draft -Pretty Good
Offseason Moves - Pretty Good
Pre-season Game - Dam Good
Training Camp - Great

I see no reason not to give him a 4 or 5, He's seemed to done everything perfect thus far. No crazy outlandish garbage, but good, solid, aggresive moves. Without Jason Taylor I would definetly lower my grade, he got that deal done in 2 hours. Lets just hope that he doesn't start salsa dancing his way to the QB. Zorn's the man thus far, and as of right now I got mad faith in this cat. He's impressed me to the point where I actually think we have a chance at making the playoff's. And beat the cowgirls in Week 3. I gave him a 5

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[quote=mauiRedskinbarn;462295]Draft -Pretty Good
Offseason Moves - Pretty Good
Pre-season Game - Dam Good
Training Camp - Great

I see no reason not to give him a 4 or 5, He's seemed to done everything perfect thus far. No crazy outlandish garbage, but good, solid, aggresive moves. Without Jason Taylor I would definetly lower my grade, he got that deal done in 2 hours. Lets just hope that he doesn't start salsa dancing his way to the QB. Zorn's the man thus far, and as of right now I got mad faith in this cat. He's impressed me to the point where I actually think we have a chance at making the playoff's. And beat the cowgirls in Week 3. I gave him a 5[/quote]

Seems like you're grading Vinny more than you are Zorn.

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I voted a 3. I love the attention to detail, the improvements in JC's mechanics, so far the O looks solid and pretty fluid (but it is pre-season). I like the cut-back lanes that appear to be opening, that didn't in Gibbs/Saunders more compressed formations.

Also, no off-the-field issues with players or coaches power struggles/bickering. We've got a ways to go, but so far so good.

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[quote=hesscl34;462144]1.5 (.5 being for his first pre-season game) - he's never coached a team before. With every passing game I'll increase my rating, or it will remain 1.5. He has to prove himself first.[/quote]


i think some of you are misinterpreting the question. it's not how you think zorn is gonna do in the future, it's rank your CURRENT feelings. basicaly, how has he done thus far. i would CURRENTLY give a 5 . i know this could all come to a screaching halt but CURRENTLY i couldn't be more thrilled. the players really seem upbeat, they seem to be taking a liking to the new offense and to his coaching style and even though it was only a preseason game, the team looked pretty good. they were efficiant on offense, stingy on defense and they played smart.

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He gets a 3 from me right now. It's been one preseason game, way too early to accurately judge how good of a coach he is. I will say this, if he shows me good stuff in the regular season my confidence in him will grow.

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I like the direction of the team; its not all Zorn. I'm thankful they took their time to select him. Hope all goes well.

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[quote=saden1;462282]Given this:

"Rank your current confidence level in Zorn with 5 being total confidence and 1 being none."


It seems to me that 3 would be the natural choice seeing he hasn't done squat-diddly for me to give him positive or negative confidence rating. Also, pre-season doesn't build confidence...not when you subscribe to sadenism anyways.[/quote]

As I said, what I've seen so far I like. But then I'm no Sadenist.

Given your position vis a vis pre-season you shouldn't have answered the Poll until after the first regular season game, right?

I subscribe to Rattist Zen. Costs me $10 a month.

:oink:

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5. for the reason that he is the right person for this team and most importantly JC and for that matter, CB.

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[QUOTE=wolfeskins;462325]i think some of you are misinterpreting the question. it's not how you think zorn is gonna do in the future, it's rank your CURRENT feelings. basicaly, how has he done thus far. i would CURRENTLY give a 5 . i know this could all come to a screaching halt but CURRENTLY i couldn't be more thrilled. the players really seem upbeat, they seem to be taking a liking to the new offense and to his coaching style and even though it was only a preseason game, the team looked pretty good. they were efficiant on offense, stingy on defense and they played smart.[/QUOTE]

I'm thrilled too. I'm happy, excited, satisfied, and by golly I just feel good about Jim Zorn. However, I'm not totally confident.

I guess the question is somewhat vague. I took it to mean, "Do you have confidence that Jim Zorn is going to succeed?" The next Zornometer must not be so ambiguous! ;)

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[quote=wolfeskins;462325]i think some of you are misinterpreting the question. it's not how you think zorn is gonna do in the future, it's rank your CURRENT feelings. basicaly, how has he done thus far. i would CURRENTLY give a 5 . i know this could all come to a screaching halt but CURRENTLY i couldn't be more thrilled. the players really seem upbeat, they seem to be taking a liking to the new offense and to his coaching style and even though it was only a preseason game, the team looked pretty good. they were efficiant on offense, stingy on defense and they played smart.[/quote]

Still 1.5.

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[quote=hesscl34;462471]Still 1.5.[/quote]

i'm not trying to start an arguement with you or anything but why just a 1.5. do you not think he's been good thus far, from the day he was hired as head coach till today. have you seen something that you find troubling? something that i might not be seeing.

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[quote=wolfeskins;462562]i'm not trying to start an arguement with you or anything but why just a 1.5. do you not think he's been good thus far, from the day he was hired as head coach till today. have you seen something that you find troubling? something that i might not be seeing.[/quote]

I just don't think his coaching job is all that hard right now. It won't really get hard until the season starts and then we will see the real coach. So I don't want to give him a 5. Anybody could come in and make things better just because they are different. It's like meeting a new girlfriend/boyfriend.. the rose colored glasses are always on at first, and then later the truth comes out. He's been good so far, normal I'd say. Nothing I wouldn't expect has happened, but nothing I'm going to call home about either. We have a great group of players out there that should be making it rather easy for him in my opinion. You want me to give someone a 5? I give it to our Skins... the players. When things start getting tough during the season is when we'll see if this coach shines or not. I hate giving too much credit to a coah for something I'm not so sure he deserve yet.

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;462469]I guess the question is somewhat vague. I took it to mean, "Do you have confidence that Jim Zorn is going to succeed?" The next Zornometer must not be so ambiguous! ;)[/quote]


you could be right, maybe i'm the one misinterpreting the question.

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[quote=hesscl34;462575]I just don't think his coaching job is all that hard right now. It won't really get hard until the season starts and then we will see the real coach. So I don't want to give him a 5. Anybody could come in and make things better just because they are different. It's like meeting a new girlfriend/boyfriend.. the rose colored glasses are always on at first, and then later the truth comes out. He's been good so far, normal I'd say. Nothing I wouldn't expect has happened, but nothing I'm going to call home about either. We have a great group of players out there that should be making it rather easy for him in my opinion. You want me to give someone a 5? I give it to our Skins... the players. When things start getting tough during the season is when we'll see if this coach shines or not. I hate giving too much credit to a coah for something I'm not so sure he deserve yet.[/quote]


fair enough. to me though, things just seem different from these past couple seasons. i know it's only been one game but the team just seemed more together or there was less confusion out there. i'm sorry, i'm not doing a good job explaining it, things just seem different.

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I didn't read all of the posts, but will take time to scroll back through tomorrow. I was completely going to suggest a weekly approval poll... as it would be much more interesting and less emotional without Joe Gibbs as the head coach

I gave him a 4, but if it were a 10 point scale I would have given him a 6. I have above average confidence in him, but not at an 80% point yet... more like 60-65...

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[quote=hesscl34;462575]I just don't think his coaching job is all that hard right now. It won't really get hard until the season starts and then we will see the real coach. So I don't want to give him a 5. Anybody could come in and make things better just because they are different. It's like meeting a new girlfriend/boyfriend.. the rose colored glasses are always on at first, and then later the truth comes out. He's been good so far, normal I'd say. Nothing I wouldn't expect has happened, but nothing I'm going to call home about either. We have a great group of players out there that should be making it rather easy for him in my opinion. You want me to give someone a 5? I give it to our Skins... the players. When things start getting tough during the season is when we'll see if this coach shines or not. I hate giving too much credit to a coah for something I'm not so sure he deserve yet.[/quote]

I think the job that coaches do during the offseason is just as important as the regular season, maybe more so in regard to certain areas. As a rookie head coach he's had to install his offense and convey his principles and beliefs to the players, and in the process hopefully get them to buy in to what he's selling. I think you're really underestimating what he's done so far. To say that what he's done so far isn't all that hard tells me you either don't really understand what he's done to date, or you just want to slam him for some reason.

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[quote=Mattyk72;462704]I think the job that coaches do during the offseason is just as important as the regular season, maybe more so in regard to certain areas. As a rookie head coach he's had to install his offense and convey his principles and beliefs to the players, and in the process hopefully get them to buy in to what he's selling. I think you're really underestimating what he's done so far. To say that what he's done so far isn't all that hard tells me you either don't really understand what he's done to date, or you just want to slam him for some reason.[/quote]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Good grief. I'm not slamming him. It's some silly rating game we are playing and I gave my reason for rating him, and I explained why I rated him 1.5. Maybe you are right and I don't understand the off season the way you very wise football gurus do, but it is just an opinion, and one I'm allowed to have without be accused of slamming people... for God's sake.[/FONT][/COLOR]

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I guess there's always gotta be someone to throw off the curve.

I wasn't accusing you of anything. Lighten up.

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[quote=Mattyk72;462736]I guess there's always gotta be someone to throw off the curve.

I wasn't accusing you of anything. Lighten up.[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Then quit it with the "slamming" language every time I speak my mind about a player or coach. It’s getting really old.[/FONT][/COLOR]

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Well, as I said a 1.5 seems like a slam or ignorance to me. Just my opinion.

It's nothing personal.

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[quote=Mattyk72;462743]Well, as I said a 1.5 seems like a slam or ignorance to me. Just my opinion.

It's nothing personal.[/quote]

Giving him a 5 after one pre-season game seems a little over the top, and is ignorant to me. Nothing personal.

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Except I didn't give him a 5.

Nice try though.

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[quote=Mattyk72;462755]Except I didn't give him a 5.

Nice try though.[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I feel like I'm 5 and arguing with my little brother..... UNCLE! ... [/FONT][/COLOR]

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I'd like to give Zorn a 6. Can I do that Matty?

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[quote=hesscl34;462758][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I feel like I'm 5 and arguing with my little brother..... UNCLE! ... [/FONT][/COLOR][/quote]

I know... being wrong sucks.

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[quote=Mattyk72;462762]I know... being wrong sucks.[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I'd rather be wrong on occasion, then have to exhaust myself proving that I'm always right... [/FONT][/COLOR]

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hey you two...take the lover's quarrel elsewhere...

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LOL... pot calling the kettle black?

Anyway, back on topic if we can. Since there are no 1/2 ratings did you round up to 2 for this poll?

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[quote=Mattyk72;462774]LOL... pot calling the kettle black?

Anyway, back on topic if we can. Since there are no 1/2 ratings did you round up to 2 for this poll?[/quote]

.... Heck, I'll make it a 5, just for you... I love him, I love him, I love him!!!

Happy? :silly:

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4. I feel good about him right now, which is what were polling. He hasn't dismantled a good playoff team in order to make sure people know it's his team. I always thought that was extremely arrogant when a coach takes over and gets rid of good, quality players and coaches. He hasn't really had to handle players attitudes yet that I'm really aware of. We'll see after 3 early division road games if he's got what it takes.

Also, is this an oral zornometer or rectal zornometer? I'd hate to unceremoniously insert it in the wrong end for several reasons.

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OK, so after hearing Zorn tonight I'm going to say I might be with you guys. Two games in and he is on the money and more importantly DOING what I like. He speaks the truth no matter what about the players regardless of their status.. and I like it. So I will up my oringinal vote of 1.5 to 3.5..but not to a 4 because he needs a hair cut.

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[QUOTE=Jamaican'Skin;461946]3 because he has appeared to have done well so far, but its only the preseason. Gotta see him in the rigors of the regular season before I can rate him higher[/QUOTE]

Didn't Spurrier go undefeated in the pre-season? Yeah he gets a 1 by default..I like what i see so far but Spurrier killed it for ya

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[QUOTE=hesscl34;463690]OK, so after hearing Zorn tonight I'm going to say I might be with you guys. Two games in and he is on the money and more importantly DOING what I like. He speaks the truth no matter what about the players regardless of their status.. and I like it. So I will up my oringinal vote of 1.5 to 3.5..but not to a 4 because he needs a hair cut.[/QUOTE]

Wow...that's a HUGE jump in only 1 PRESEASON game difference. Not really convicted in your opinion huh?