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Made this...

:D

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[quote=hesscl34;469213]I wouldn't call it "nice" irony...

Well, then I'm unfair. I don't think we are ready as a country to have a woman leading us, and I AM a woman..[/quote]

Wow, a woman who paints all women with a broad brush. Strange.

I never opposed women in power, it's just that Hillary Clinton is NOT a woman we want there. :D

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yeah, i'm not following that women generically bad for president logic either....

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[quote=Buster;469221]Made this...

:D

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Oh yeah, we are ready for a woman to lead..... totally. Please...

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[quote=hesscl34;469196][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Can you see Binladen taking her seriously? ... not that he takes anyone seriously, but don't you think a woman leading the US is the perfect situation in his eyes.. considering their beliefs about women? ... [/FONT][/COLOR]
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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Having a son, the last thing I want is a woman leading this country during a war with terrorists. I hope John boy is taking his vitamins.[/FONT][/COLOR]
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Woman on woman hate. Can't we all just get along?!??!!

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[quote=FRPLG;469227]Woman on woman hate. Can't we all just get along?!??!![/quote]

Woman on Woman hate = BAD

Woman on Woman Love = AWESOME.








[SIZE="2"]couldn't resist...[/SIZE] :silly:

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Reading these post the people I believe to be democratic from their prior and current post have made sexest and racest type remarks. Funny isn't that what they say consevatives do.

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[quote=FRPLG;469227]Woman on woman hate. Can't we all just get along?!??!![/quote]

You've got it wrong. It's that I don't think MEN are really ready for a woman to lead and the majority will not respect her. They might put on a good face, but behind her back there will be comments and words..etc. The magazine cover is a perfect example. I think it will not be good for the county over all becuase I don't think the county is ready....

OK, that's it.. I'm done.. :)

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[quote=FRPLG;469227]Woman on woman hate. Can't we all just get along?!??!![/quote]

It must be the jealous catfight effect. :D

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[quote=hesscl34;469237]You've got it wrong. It's that I don't think MEN are really ready for a woman to lead and the majority will not respect her. They might put on a good face, but behind her back there will be comments and words..etc. The magazine cover is a perfect example. I think it will not be good for the county over all becuase I don't think the county is ready....

OK, that's it.. I'm done.. :)[/quote]

Not a shot at you at all, just a comment: I haven't heard anything similar coming out of the African American community about not wanting a black president, the country's not ready etc... I'm not saying anything here, just an observation on the barriers being broken here and the commentary thereof.

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[quote=firstdown;469235]Reading these post the people I believe to be democratic from their prior and current post have made sexest and racest type remarks. Funny isn't that what they say consevatives do.[/quote]

Yep. The Bush administration has put more Hispanics, Blacks and other minorities in HIGH-LEVEL cabinet positions and staff than the Clinton admin...yet Bush is still the racist and Clinton, who had an all-white cabinet is the one who represents minorities.

Aren't stereotypes great?

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;469240]Not a shot at you at all, just a comment: I haven't heard anything similar coming out of the African American community about not wanting a black president, the country's not ready etc... I'm not saying anything here, just an observation on the barriers being broken here and the commentary thereof.[/quote]

Because race is different from gender.

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[quote=hesscl34;469237]You've got it wrong. It's that I don't think MEN are really ready for a woman to lead and the majority will not respect her. They might put on a good face, but behind her back there will be comments and words..etc. The magazine cover is a perfect example. I think it will not be good for the county over all becuase I don't think the county is ready....

OK, that's it.. I'm done.. :)[/quote]
Maybe you might need to reevaluate the guys you hang around. I don't have a problem with a women as Pres. or VP if they are the right person for the job and hold my values. I also like to listen to Barry Manalow but I'm not worried about my man hood.

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[quote=firstdown;469235]Reading these post the people I believe to be democratic from their prior and current post have made sexest and racest type remarks. Funny isn't that what they say consevatives do.[/quote]

Whose posts are you referring to? Hess's?

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Margaret Thatcher is regarded as a foremost world leader and she went out of power 20 years ago.

I strongly believe that neither race nor gender should not play a role in who is president or vice-president. I also strongly believe that it does. In this case I think we are far more ready as a populous for a woman leader than a black leader. It's crap for sure but I do think it to be the case.

I like this pick. Reservedly though since I know so little of her. If she can reresent herself well against Biden then I think it is a great pick. Her core values fit in with waht many conservative detractors were uncomfortable with McCain. She's a young outside actually known more for leading than "organizing". My fears are that she hasn't been nearly as vetted as other candidates. What skeletons exist?

In that same vein though, I find the notion that "no one knows her" being a negative to be laughable.

We elect incumbents and outsiders for President in this country lately. It is very difficult for insiders to make headway.

Not since Nixon has a true insider been elected. Hell Ford almost lost his own primary and then got trounced by Carter.

It has gone:

Carter (governor)
Reagan (governor)
Bush I (vice-president incumbent)
Clinton (govenor)
Bush (govenor)

It is noteworthy that many of those Presidents ran against insiders too.

In fact I think one thing Obama has going for him in this is that he is so fresh and seen as an outsider. Repubs are doing the darndest to paint that as inexperience but for a good amount of people it actually is a positive.

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[quote=firstdown;469244]Maybe you might need to reevaluate the guys you hang around. I don't have a problem with a women as Pres. or VP if they are the right person for the job and hold my values.[/quote]

Maybe you need to be more realistics about the majority of the country. I feel lucky to live where I live knowing that women are respected (mostly)... but that is not the case everywhere. You know, like the places she'll be getting the "horndog" vote...

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[quote=hesscl34;469243]Because race is different from gender.[/quote]

Discrimination is equally bad no matter what reason you hold it.

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[quote=FRPLG;469248]Margaret Thatcher is regarded as a foremost world leader and she went out of power 20 years ago.
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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]You are talking about a place far older and wiser than the US. I hate to say it but we haven't grown up yet. We are still adolescents in the eyes of the rest of the world. That's not a knock on America, it's just fact.[/FONT][/COLOR]

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I don't like McCain or Obama, but frankly I think McCain's VP selection is brilliant compared to Obama's.

Biden seems like nothing but more of the same Washington political garbage.

McCain has managed to solidify his base of evangelicals, pro-lifers and NRA members. Mock them all you want or disagree with them all you want, but you can't deny they make up a massive portion of the vote.

At the same time he's brought in someone young and fresh to combat his decidedly aged image. A pretty face doesn't hurt either. Again, you can disagree all you want, but my experience in marketing and advertising has taught me that a pretty face goes a long way in convincing an audience of a point.

Look how much Obama's youth and charisma have gotten him - McCain getting a dose of that when he's seriously lacking in that area helps tremendously.

I think two things are very interesting about this: assuming Nader doesn't make some kind of surprise end-around, whoever wins the election will make history. First black president or first female vice president any way you slice it. Fascinating.

Second, of the four (Obama, Biden, McCain, Palin), as far as I know Palin is the only one with actual experience running and administrating a government. The other three are Senators and, as far as I know, never spent any time actually running a local or state government.

Once again this race gets very, very interesting. Either way we're watching history in the making.

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[quote=djnemo65;469246]Whose posts are you referring to? Hess's?[/quote]
I'm not going to name each peoson but if you read the post on this thread its not hard to figure out. I'm not sure if Hess is a Dem because I cannot rember her post from prior threads to know. If I had to guess I'd lean that way.

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[quote=firstdown;469254]I'm not going to name each peoson but if you read the post on this thread its not hard to figure out. I'm not sure if Hess is a Dem because I cannot rember her post from prior threads to know. If I had to guess I'd lean that way.[/quote]

Wrong.. :) ....

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[quote=mheisig;469253]I don't like McCain or Obama, but frankly I think McCain's VP selection is brilliant compared to Obama's.

Biden seems like nothing but more of the same Washington political garbage.

McCain has managed to solidify his base of evangelicals, pro-lifers and NRA members. Mock them all you want or disagree with them all you want, but you can't deny they make up a massive portion of the vote.

At the same time he's brought in someone young and fresh to combat his decidedly aged image. A pretty face doesn't hurt either. Again, you can disagree all you want, but my experience in marketing and advertising has taught me that a pretty face goes a long way in convincing an audience of a point.

Look how much Obama's youth and charisma have gotten him - McCain getting a dose of that when he's seriously lacking in that area helps tremendously.

I think two things are very interesting about this: assuming Nader doesn't make some kind of surprise end-around, whoever wins the election will make history. First black president or first female vice president any way you slice it. Fascinating.

Second, of the four (Obama, Biden, McCain, Palin), as far as I know Palin is the only one with actual experience running and administrating a government. The other three are Senators and, as far as I know, never spent any time actually running a local or state government.

Once again this race gets very, very interesting. Either way we're watching history in the making.[/quote]
While people think conservatives do not care about the enviroment she is very pro enviroment.

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[quote=firstdown;469254]I'm not going to name each peoson but if you read the post on this thread its not hard to figure out. I'm not sure if Hess is a Dem because I cannot rember her post from prior threads to know. If I had to guess I'd lean that way.[/quote]

I ask because I read through and didn't see anything particularly offensive. I'm not saying this is the greatest political discussion of all time but I don't think it is sexist.

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[quote=hesscl34;469237]You've got it wrong. It's that I don't think MEN are really ready for a woman to lead and the majority will not respect her. They might put on a good face, but behind her back there will be comments and words..etc. The magazine cover is a perfect example. I think it will not be good for the county over all becuase I don't think the county is ready....

OK, that's it.. I'm done.. :)[/quote]

No worries babe. I was just poking a little fun.

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[quote=hesscl34;469252][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]You are talking about a place far older and wiser than the US. I hate to say it but we haven't grown up yet. We are still adolescents in the eyes of the rest of the world. That's not a knock on America, it's just fact.[/FONT][/COLOR][/quote]

It's a fact? How so?

Do you have quantitative data to backup a massive, sweeping assertion about what the "rest of the world" thinks?

Have you spoken with a sufficient portion of the non-U.S. population of the world to extrapolate that "the rest of the world" holds a certain view of the U.S.?

Simply declaring something a fact doesn't make it so. I can declare that up is down and red is blue as well, but it doesn't make it any more rational.

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[quote=hesscl34;469256]Wrong.. :) ....[/quote]
Thats why I did not name who I thought because they would say I'm wrong. Let me guess your an independent but leaning toward OBama.

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[quote=FRPLG;469260]No worries babe. I was just poking a little fun.[/quote]

I think Hess is way off base in her thoughts here, but I don't think calling her "babe" helps the case against her thoughts.

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She just gave an incredible speech and even gave credit to Ms. Clinton for furthering the progress of women. She told about her accomplishments of holding people accountable in government, her great experience and qualifications, and how her son joined the army.

She is infinitely more qualified than Obama with all of her executive experience and she has a strong set of morals on top of that. She;s a great speaker too and did nothing to trash her opponents.

McCain looks like a genius now.

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[quote=Buster;469241]Yep. The Bush administration has put more Hispanics, Blacks and other minorities in HIGH-LEVEL cabinet positions and staff than the Clinton admin...yet Bush is still the racist and Clinton, who had an all-white cabinet is the one who represents minorities.

Aren't stereotypes great?[/quote]

It's about quality not quantity.

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[quote=hesscl34;469252][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]You are talking about a place far older and wiser than the US. I hate to say it but we haven't grown up yet. We are still adolescents in the eyes of the rest of the world. That's not a knock on America, it's just fact.[/FONT][/COLOR][/quote]

I think Thatcher is universally regarded very highly. Not just in the UK and Europe. I understand your points and I agree that it exists here but I just don't agree that her being female actually matters. It sure doesn't matter to me at all. And the fact that she is attractive and could get the "horndog" vote is meaningless to me. There are "horndogs" everywhere. Not just here.

Anyone else think it is ironic that McCain, the painted womanizer, choose a younger attractive female as is his running mate? I wonder if CIndy said "Oh no you di'nt!"

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[quote=hesscl34;469252][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]You are talking about a place far older and wiser than the US. I hate to say it but we haven't grown up yet. We are still adolescents in the eyes of the rest of the world. That's not a knock on America, it's just fact.[/FONT][/COLOR][/quote]

Are you Barack Obama posing as a redhead on here? Wow...

That "America is worse than Europe" theme...I'm sick of it.

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[quote=saden1;469266]It's about quality not quantity.[/quote]

I think you can say the quality of the positions the individuals in question were appointed to is pretty damn high. The quality of the individuals however... that's another story.

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[quote=saden1;469266]It's about quality not quantity.[/quote]

Colin Powell, Condi Rice, others aren't quality?


You could say that if Clinton's quantity wasn't zero. :D

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[quote=mheisig;469253]I don't like McCain or Obama, but frankly I think McCain's VP selection is brilliant compared to Obama's.

Biden seems like nothing but more of the same Washington political garbage.

McCain has managed to solidify his base of evangelicals, pro-lifers and NRA members. Mock them all you want or disagree with them all you want, but you can't deny they make up a massive portion of the vote.

At the same time he's brought in someone young and fresh to combat his decidedly aged image. A pretty face doesn't hurt either. Again, you can disagree all you want, but my experience in marketing and advertising has taught me that a pretty face goes a long way in convincing an audience of a point.

Look how much Obama's youth and charisma have gotten him - McCain getting a dose of that when he's seriously lacking in that area helps tremendously.

I think two things are very interesting about this: assuming Nader doesn't make some kind of surprise end-around, whoever wins the election will make history. First black president or first female vice president any way you slice it. Fascinating.

Second, of the four (Obama, Biden, McCain, Palin), as far as I know Palin is the only one with actual experience running and administrating a government. The other three are Senators and, as far as I know, never spent any time actually running a local or state government.

Once again this race gets very, very interesting. Either way we're watching history in the making.[/quote]
Good post man. Intersting indeed. I do love the game of politics almost as much as football. Being from Washington must have ingrained that in me.

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[quote=SmootSmack;469264]I think Hess is way off base in her thoughts here, but I don't think calling her "babe" helps the case against her thoughts.[/quote]

Again with the joking. It was intended satirically.

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[quote=Buster;469272]Colin Powell, Condi Rice, others aren't quality?


You could say that if Clinton's quantity wasn't zero. :D[/quote]

Colin Powell? Yes with an astrik. Condi Rice? Absolutely Not! Senior Alberto? No comment.

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA [IMG]http://www.teamzx2.com/images/smilies/rofl.gif[/IMG]

Obama released this statement, "She is not the change we need."


This man can not put a rational thought together.

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I've never understood what Condi Rice did to be so derided?

And Colin Powell gets no asterisk from me. If he had been given a larger voice in Bush's administration he'd have been a superstar. I love the guy and see Bush's failure to use him as a resource over Rumsfeld as his biggest political screwup. Powel is infinitely more capable of guiding, leading and making the right decisions than Rummy ever was.

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You guys shouldn't be so quick to chastise Hess for her views. Though our reasons differ at bit, I'm not crazy about a female candidate for President/VP either. My views are probably more religious based, which I won't debate anyone over. Let's just say I prefer a man to be in the highest positions of authority.