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[quote=GTripp0012;469629]I don't know about soft, he was ALWAYS strong vs. the run. I don't know what your definition of soft is, but to me at least, any CB that will come up and hit in the running game isn't soft. His hands, of course, are anything but soft.

Carlos was very bad at coverage his first two seasons, but he showed good signs last year, and had a much better preseason then anyone thought he was capable of given his injury.[/quote]

yeaa ill take a wait an see approach on em this year. my definition of soft is leaving a 10-15 yard cushion on 3rd and 2. I HATE THAT

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why is colt brennan on the team????? over devine??? devine played LIGHTS OUTTT. now that my friend is a headscratcher...

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[quote=dall-assblows;469633]yeaa ill take a wait an see approach on em this year. my definition of soft is leaving a 10-15 yard cushion on 3rd and 2. I HATE THAT[/quote]That's coaching...

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We really need to discuss the WR situation. I am thrilled if they think Kelly and Thomas are going to step up as the #4 and #5, but that means at least one of them will play alot and with one injury both of them will play and that basically goes against all the evidence from the preseason. Do they know something we don't? I'm confused? Should we be encouraged?

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[quote=dall-assblows;469633]yeaa ill take a wait an see approach on em this year. my definition of soft is leaving a 10-15 yard cushion on 3rd and 2. I HATE THAT[/quote]That's pretty soft.

Though if Grilliams had a problem with it, all he had to do is tell Rogers to move up. Grilliams seemed to want to bait the opponent to throw on 3rd and short, figuring he would make them play pitch and catch to get the first down as opposed to grinding it out.

Still pretty soft, I agree.

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I can't believe Mcmullen was cut. I swear to God if Kelly ends up sitting all season I'll flip shit, but I hope this means he's healing better then they have let on.

Some have suggested they may make a play for another vet wr, any idea who might be available after cuts? Why would we even bank on that when Mcmullen played so well for us?

As for Thrash over McMullen . . . that's a tough call. Based on this preseason alone I'd say Billy is the clear choice, but Thrash has been so clutch for us over the years, he is probably a consistent performer in practice, and he doesn't seem to be injured much, so I can see why he made it over McMullen, but I'm still upset to see him go.

I hope Mason makes it somewhere, he is fun to watch.

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No love for Thrash? His one of our best special team players. And if we cut him, that leaves us with only 2 WRs with true NFL experience, to run the WCO.

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[quote=dall-assblows;469634]why is colt brennan on the team????? over devine??? devine played LIGHTS OUTTT. now that my friend is a headscratcher...[/quote]

I sure hope this is supposed to be sarcasm. Devine was what? 3 of 8 for 32 yards and 1 int? thats lights out?? that statement is a head scratcher if it wasnt meant as sarcasm.

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Here is what I don't understand. Devin Thomas has shown nothing all pre season. Put his ass on IR or do something with him to make room for Billy M. Billy M. clearly outplayed him this pre season. Makes no sense. Our situation at wr is a joke.

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In all fairness to Thomas he's behind schedule because of injury. It's too early to bail on him for a journeyman guy like McMullen.

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[quote=skinsfan69;469643]Here is what I don't understand. Devin Thomas has shown nothing all pre season. Put his ass on IR or do something with him to make room for Billy M. Billy M. clearly outplayed him this pre season. Makes no sense. Our situation at wr is a joke.[/quote]

Man you really want Billy x 2, all kidding I would have liked to have seen him get a spot I think he earned it.

It could be they are thinking about bringing Reche back..... after St. Louis just cut two Ex-Skins? j/k

Jim Thomas of the [I]St. Louis Post-Dispatch[/I] reports that the Rams have [URL="http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/rams/story/AB0C0AA114265082862574B5006FC259?OpenDocument"]made their cuts [/URL]and finalized their 53-man roster.


No big names were among the players released; wide receiver Reche Caldwell and cornerback David Macklin are probably the best known veterans who failed to make the roster.

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[quote=skinsfan69;469643]Here is what I don't understand. Devin Thomas has shown nothing all pre season. Put his ass on IR or do something with him to make room for Billy M. Billy M. clearly outplayed him this pre season. Makes no sense. Our situation at wr is a joke.[/quote]

If we put Devin Thomas on IR then who is going to return kicks to the 17 yard line and then crap his pants for us every game?

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well duh thats easy... Tryon will

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I ws rooting for Brooks over Frost. They both had good preseasons though, and if it's all even, you usually keep the veteran. But I know Frost's history, so hopefully the Redskins made the right decision.

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How do the guys that were kept stack up on special teams? was there maybe a tradeoff to keep brooks smith wanted certain st guys? i dont understand not keeping mcmullen

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[quote=BugelDisciple;469616]I wonder if Vinny's ego had a factor in the WR cuts. After the way McMullen played this preseason there is no way he deserved to be cut.[/quote]Billy McMullen was our only WR who had a firm grasp of the WCO. I would have cut Tryon before McMullen. With these cuts Thomas and/or Kelly had better step up quickly.

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[quote=NM Redskin;469605]Its official
[URL="http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Decision_Day__Wade_Among_22_Cuts_By_Redskins_19885.jsp"]Decision Day: Wade Among 22 Cuts By Redskins[/URL]
Matthias Askew, DT
Ryan Boschetti, DT
Nehemiah Broughton, FB
Devin Clark, T
Andrew Crummey, G
Derek Devine, QB
Derrick Frost, P
Horace Gant, WR
Curtis Gatewood, LB
Patrick Ghee, S
David Holloway, LB
Cedrick Holt, CB
Maurice Mann, WR
Marcus Mason, RB
Fred Matua, G
Billy McMullen, WR
Anthony Mix, WR
Matteral Richardson, CB
Danny Verdun-Wheeler, LB
Todd Wade, T
Tavares Washington, T
Byron Westbrook, CB[/quote]

fuck
richardson and mcmullen should be kept

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wonder if Mason would be on his way to the Texans. i see they are having probs at rb there.

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You can virtually guarantee that the guy who gets the bulk of the carries and the guy that makes the most catches in preseason will both get cut. Seems to happen every year.

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I'm disappointed to see Mason cut but as has been mentioned he was in a numbers crunch, with the depth we have and since he didn't excel at pass blocking he was expendable to the coaches.

I too am amongst the confused about our wr situation, but time will tell what happens. Maybe they want to see what happens with Kelly before they bring in another wide receiver. Other than that I'm not really suprised here, but I am glad Brooks won the battle.

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[quote=Darrell_Green_28;469642]I sure hope this is supposed to be sarcasm. Devine was what? 3 of 8 for 32 yards and 1 int? thats lights out?? that statement is a head scratcher if it wasnt meant as sarcasm.[/quote]

hahaaaaa

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I half expected R. Doughty to be cut, and fully exptected Tryon to be cut.

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[quote=SouperMeister;469666]Billy McMullen was our only WR who had a firm grasp of the WCO. I would have cut Tryon before McMullen. With these cuts Thomas and/or Kelly had better step up quickly.[/quote]

Don't get carried away grasshopper. Thrash has a handle on the WCO any day over BM and can play great on teams. Thats why hes our #3 WR a great teamer, leader and still a Redskin.

I will agree on we should have kept Billy over Big Mouth No action Tyron!

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[quote=backrow;469674]I [B]half expected R. Doughty to be cut[/B], and fully exptected Tryon to be cut.[/quote]

I would have predicated the exact same with that limp ass Tryon, he's not cut out for the NFL!

But Reed why so? I expect him to have a strong season.

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[quote=EXoffender;469627]I liked McMullen. Thrash should've been cut.[/quote]

That is crazy talk. I like Billy too but not over JT.

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mason, mcmullen, crummey, richardson are somewhat surprising... nobody that'll turn into a superstar, but hopefully we get at least 2 on our PS (i know mcmullen is 4 years in).

tryon? seriously? that's guy is total trash... i don't remember a single game where he looked like he was worth keeping. that reeks of the FO over riding coaches, unless blache is the one that insisted on him...

i wouldn't have kept wilson either, and not sure hamilton is really going to be anything beyond our #5 safety...

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Keeping Hamilton says something about R. Doughty (confidence) and Landry (health). I like Hamilton also, although it is hard to assess him fully given his competition on the field.

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Good we kept Justin Hamilton.

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i guess wilson is going to handle a lot special teams work.

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I am betting Hamilton was a pure ST keeper. He probably showed more value on ST than either McMullen or Mason.

Also, for all of you who voted for Mix on the "Who's gonna have a breakout year?" poll, I guess the man-crush is officially over.

For those backing Wilson- we're still in it.

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I don't understand why we kept Tryon over Richardson. Richardson completely outperformed Tryon in preseason. Hopefully Richardson will be signed to our PS. I think Hamilton was kept because of Landry and Moore's injuries. If we pick up a veteran I would venture to guess either Hamilton, Wilson, or Jackson would be the first ones gone.

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[quote=That Guy;469679]mason, mcmullen, crummey, richardson are somewhat surprising... nobody that'll turn into a superstar, but hopefully we get at least 2 on our PS (i know mcmullen is 4 years in).

[B] tryon? seriously? that's guy is total trash...[/B] i don't remember a single game where he looked like he was worth keeping.[B] that reeks of the FO over riding coaches[/B], unless blache is the one that insisted on him...

i wouldn't have kept wilson either, and not sure hamilton is really going to be anything beyond our #5 safety...[/quote]

I agree 100% on Tryon, if someone doesn't IMO they don't know jack shit about NFL quality talent, he will NEVER make it in this league.....Trash he is!

On to the front office. Frosty apparently is making a case that the front office/Vinny is behind his departure. You have to wonder how much say so if any Coach Zorn, Danny and the coaching staff really had on this issue? Vinny and the scouts did use a draft pick on Brooks.

[B]Posted at 5:02 PM ET, 08/30/2008[/B]

[B]Frost Unhappy With Decision, But Moving On (First Stop - Seattle)[/B]

[FONT=Times New Roman,times,serif] Just got off the phone with released punter Derrick Frost. He praised special teams coach Danny Smith and implied that the decision to let him go in favor of rookie draft pick Durant Brooks was made by the front office.
"I feel like I was dealt with dishonestly," Frost said. "I want to thank Danny Smith for the three years he gave me here, and I feel like he always treated me well, and I will continue to think that. But I think we all know who made the decision, and when you've got a draft that isn't starting to look so good, you're going to do whatever you can to make it look as good as possible."
This is Vinny Cerrato's first draft and offseason with his new title, executive vice president, and the team kept all 10 of his picks. The Redskins, informed of Frost's statement, declined to comment.
Frost said he is at peace with his performance this summer: "In hindsight you often say, 'What if I could have done this or that?' But I really feel like no matter what I would have done it would have come out this way." Within a few hours of being released Frost had calls from other teams and will be in Seattle Tuesday for a tryout.

Frost said he loves living in this area, and will make it his home here even if he finds another NFL club. He also said he hopes to keep ties to many people in the organization.
He was not given any reasoning for the decision, Frost said, but is looking forward to the future and wants to continue displaying the form he showed in training camp and the preseason games.
"I was given no explanation by anyone," Frost said. "They kept trying to tell me that it was close, that it was close and that it was an open competition, but I don't feel that was really the case."
I'd be the first to say that Frost had a shaky tenure here and the team needed to upgrade at punter, whether through a new-and-improved Frost, or someone else. But this was also by far the most consistent I had ever seen him perform in practices and games, and his leg looked bigger than ever. To me, he outproduced the kid.
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frost sounds like a crybaby. does he really need an explanation? he was inconsistant, a draft pick was used on a punter, thats your explanation.

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Guys that earned it and got it: Alfred Fincher, Justin Hamilton, Justin Geisinger

Things that puzzled me:

1. 6 defensive ends? Wow. Is Taylor more serious than they let on?

2. Justin Tryon was awful, he should not have made any nfl roster. This is a pick to save face for taking him in the 4th round. Richardson wasn't the greatest, but play for play, he simply out played Tryon.

3. Is Kelly really hurt? If he is, that means we are going into week 1 with 4 healthy receivers? Or is there something else brewing, like maybe Reche Caldwell coming back? Caldwell was released today.

Now, thing I agree with. You have to give the job to Brooks over Frost. Why? His net average was better, he put more balls within the 20 and you spent a 6th round pick on him. Decision was easy.

Marcus Mason. Fact is, he can run the ball, but little else. His pass protection is horrendous and his specials team play less than special. Given that Portis and Betts will get all the work and maybe a few carries for Rock, what was the point when he simpyl can't contribute in the one way we needed him to --- special teams.

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[quote=wolfeskins;469687]frost sounds like a crybaby. does he really need an explanation? he was inconsistant, a draft pick was used on a punter, thats your explanation.[/quote]

I agree... Frost wasn't just trying to beat out Brooks 1 on 1 in the preseason, he was taking on Brooks and all the inconsistent punts that he had during his time here...and always at the worst times. I still remember that Tampa game in 2005 where he shanked that one with a minute to go in the 4th quarter... I think Frost was slightly better than Brooks in the preseason, but I still have absolutely no problems with this decision.

I agree with everyone here about Tryon. If he sees extended playing time this year, it could be a very long year.

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I'm a little surprised with McMullen being cut, we must be going with Cooley and Davis when we go with a spread formation. I think that's a pretty decent alternative if Thomas and Kelly aren't ready from day one.

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If Zorn did not cut a single one of Cerrato's draft picks, I hope this does not mean he's afraid to stand up to the front office.

J-Dawg

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[quote=jgalecpa;469693]If Zorn did not cut a single one of Cerrato's draft picks, I hope this does not mean he's afraid to stand up to the front office.

J-Dawg[/quote]
JZ does not strike me as one easily intimidated

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I'm kinda glad Wade is gone. The dude was constantly getting manhandled.

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;469685]I agree 100% on Tryon, if someone doesn't IMO they don't know jack shit about NFL quality talent, he will NEVER make it in this league.....Trash he is!

On to the front office. Frosty apparently is making a case that the front office/Vinny is behind his departure. You have to wonder how much say so if any Coach Zorn, Danny and the coaching staff really had on this issue? Vinny and the scouts did use a draft pick on Brooks.

[B]Posted at 5:02 PM ET, 08/30/2008[/B]

[B]Frost Unhappy With Decision, But Moving On (First Stop - Seattle)[/B]

[FONT=Times New Roman,times,serif] Just got off the phone with released punter Derrick Frost. He praised special teams coach Danny Smith and implied that the decision to let him go in favor of rookie draft pick Durant Brooks was made by the front office.
"I feel like I was dealt with dishonestly," Frost said. "I want to thank Danny Smith for the three years he gave me here, and I feel like he always treated me well, and I will continue to think that. But I think we all know who made the decision, and when you've got a draft that isn't starting to look so good, you're going to do whatever you can to make it look as good as possible."
This is Vinny Cerrato's first draft and offseason with his new title, executive vice president, and the team kept all 10 of his picks. The Redskins, informed of Frost's statement, declined to comment.
Frost said he is at peace with his performance this summer: "In hindsight you often say, 'What if I could have done this or that?' But I really feel like no matter what I would have done it would have come out this way." Within a few hours of being released Frost had calls from other teams and will be in Seattle Tuesday for a tryout.

Frost said he loves living in this area, and will make it his home here even if he finds another NFL club. He also said he hopes to keep ties to many people in the organization.
He was not given any reasoning for the decision, Frost said, but is looking forward to the future and wants to continue displaying the form he showed in training camp and the preseason games.
"I was given no explanation by anyone," Frost said. "They kept trying to tell me that it was close, that it was close and that it was an open competition, but I don't feel that was really the case."
I'd be the first to say that Frost had a shaky tenure here and the team needed to upgrade at punter, whether through a new-and-improved Frost, or someone else. But this was also by far the most consistent I had ever seen him perform in practices and games, and his leg looked bigger than ever. To me, he outproduced the kid.
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Ahhhhhhh, poor JLC - looks like he just lost another source.

It was a close competition, but Frosty has shown inconsistency in games, Brooks is the unknown. Also, Frost had nice yardage but Brooks had the better hang time. He was dealt with dishonestly?? Please. If I am a vet with demonstrated inconsistency, I know the only way I stick is to bury the rookie.