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[quote=firstdown;472571]Eli seemed to get his passes off when undeg pressure. The first sack JC wandered right into his coverage not away from it like a natural QB should do.[/quote]

Plaxico was also getting open on every play too. That helps. ;)

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[quote=mauiRedskinbarn;472553]Put in collins, He spanked the giants 8 months ago, he won 4 in a row, he's still got momentum. He should be this teams captain, he can guide this team better than JC. Having him in is the best chance we have.

Just like in Arizona, sit the sucker, start the veteran[/quote]

That was in Saunders system though. Obviously you didn't watch him in preseason.

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[quote=cpayne5;472573]It's naive to think that JC's problem is a lack of intelligence.[/quote]

It's naive to thinks it's not. He has all the talent in the world but he can't put two and two together...

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[quote=skinsguy;472552]It's actually on both Campbell and the receivers. The receivers have to run the precise routes, and Campbell has to learn to throw timing passes to spots. Zorn's been saying the whole time the Jason is waiting for the receiver to be open, and that's not how the west coast offense works. Couple that with Jason still not reading the defenses and it makes for a long learning curve.[/quote]
First sack he took he went back rolled right into a sack as he stared down Moss. He could have run streight up the middle for a few yards or thrown to the guy wide open 6 yards down field.

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[quote=wilsowilso;472567]My bad. You made a long argument about how we should accept the status quo with regards to this mess? Sound familiar?[/quote]

Between politics and Brunell banter, I think I'm gonna lose my mind.

Where's Ramsey when you need him? (Fight fire with fire right? :))

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[quote=wilsowilso;472567]My bad. You made a long argument about how we should accept the status quo with regards to this mess? Sound familiar?[/quote]

No, I never made an argument about any status quo. I'm afraid it really is [I]your bad.[/I] I guess if I just basically said, people need to chill out and stop being whiny bitches, that probably would've been easier to understand. You think? 15 more games left in this season.

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[quote=hesscl34;472576]It's naive to thinks it's not. He has all the talent in the world but he can't put two and two together...[/quote]

So, with JC out from behind center, this team is a Super Bowl contender?

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[quote=firstdown;472577]First sack he took he went back rolled right into a sack as he stared down Moss. He could have run streight up the middle for a few yards or thrown to the guy wide open 6 yards down field.[/quote]

Which guy was wide open 6 yards down field? I just remember Campbell getting engulfed in a sea of blue.

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[quote=firstdown;472571]Eli seemed to get his passes off when undeg pressure. The first sack JC wandered right into his coverage not away from it like a natural QB should do.[/quote]

exactly,you hit the nail on the head,I've been cutting jc slack when hes been under a lot of pressure for not completing his passes,but how many times tonite did Eli make great throws when pressured? granted he did throw 1 int from the pressure,but he made plays.JC has got to be able to make plays when he's under pressure,{McNabbs done it his whole career}this is the nfl and rarely do you have the luxury of Tom Bradys protection

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So then basically the general consensus is that Jason Campbell is not cut out to be a first string quarterback, correct?

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[quote=skinsguy;472580]No, I never made an argument about any status quo. I'm afraid it really is [I]your bad.[/I] I guess if I just basically said, people need to chill out and stop being whiny bitches, that probably would've been easier to understand. You think? 15 more games left in this season.[/quote]

15 more games sounds like 4 more years.

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[quote=skinsguy;472580]No, I never made an argument about any status quo. I'm afraid it really is [I]your bad.[/I] I guess if I just basically said, people need to chill out and stop being whiny bitches, that probably would've been easier to understand. You think? 15 more games left in this season.[/quote]

Nuff said.

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[quote=htownskinfan;472584]exactly,you hit the nail on the head,I've been cutting jc slack when hes been under a lot of pressure for not completing his passes,but how many times tonite did Eli make great throws when pressured? granted he did throw 1 int from the pressure,but he made plays.JC has got to be able to make plays when he's under pressure,{McNabbs done it his whole career}this is the nfl and rarely do you have the luxury of Tom Bradys protection[/quote]

Eli made some good throws, no doubt about it. Eli also threw a lot of passes that should've been intercepted. In fact, our secondary dropped a few INTs. He also has the luxury of the same offensive line that protected for him last year in every single game. He also has the luxury of playing in the same offense as he did last year as well. Not taking anything away from Manning though, he made the plays when he was supposed to, and Campbell looked lost. I certainly expect Campbell improve and have this system down pat by the end of the year. If not, give someone else a shot.

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I think JC is a fine QB, it's just that we Redskin fans have ridiculously irrational expectations for what our passing offense should look like in week one of year one of a totally new system.

Look how long it took Hasselbeck to get up to speed in Seattle.

I've been saying around here for weeks but nobody wants to listen to the harsh truth:

1) Those preseason performances were not a mirage and
2) Our passing offense will struggle this year as JC tries to learn it

There's a very slim chance we'll be any better than mediocre until the second half of the season.

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[quote=htownskinfan;472584]exactly,you hit the nail on the head,I've been cutting jc slack when hes been under a lot of pressure for not completing his passes,but how many times tonite did Eli make great throws when pressured? granted he did throw 1 int from the pressure,but he made plays.JC has got to be able to make plays when he's under pressure,{McNabbs done it his whole career}this is the nfl and rarely do you have the luxury of Tom Bradys protection[/quote]

Eli has Plax as a receiver, and there were some throws that Plax saved Eli by making a catch or just using his size advantage.

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[quote=wilsowilso;472589]15 more games sounds like 4 more years.[/quote]

Well if you're really dreading this season that much, I'm sure you can catch some figure skating on some other channel opposite of football! :)

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[quote=skinsguy;472537]And every year there's a bitch.[/quote]

You could solve that problem and leave.

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This thread is so freakin stupid.

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[quote=Beemnseven;472598]You could solve that problem and leave.[/quote]

Why? I'm not the one bitching.

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[quote=skinsfan69;472599]This thread is so freakin stupid.[/quote]

I second that. Everyone either hates JC or thinks he's still in an evolving process.

[I]Personally, I'm down for Brennan. I mean if he was starting, we obviously would have killed the Giants.. Pats style.[/I]

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[quote=skinsfan69;472599]This thread is so freakin stupid.[/quote]

How stupid are you going to push it?

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[quote=DynamiteRave;472603]I second that. Everyone either hates JC or thinks he's still in an evolving process.

[I]Personally, I'm down for Brennan. I mean if he was starting, we obviously would have killed the Giants.. Pats style.[/I][/quote]

I think the guy is going to be awesome in the NFL someday, but I'm not willing to call him the second coming of Joe Montana just yet, or....I know Madden would like this, the second coming of FavreAH! LOL! But, I will say, if it's meant for him to step in and lead the team, I think things could get exciting. Sort of the same thing a lot of us Redskins fans were saying about Jason Campbell a couple of years ago.

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[quote=skinsguy;472606]I think the guy is going to be awesome in the NFL someday, but I'm not willing to call him the second coming of Joe Montana just yet, or....I know Madden would like this, the second coming of FavreAH! LOL! But, I will say, if it's meant for him to step in and lead the team, I think things could get exciting. Sort of the same thing a lot of us Redskins fans were saying about Jason Campbell a couple of years ago.[/quote]

lol my italics was sarcasm.

But I loooooove Brennan and would not be opposed to giving him a starting role if we got that damn desperate.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;472588]So then basically the general consensus is that Jason Campbell is not cut out to be a first string quarterback, correct?[/quote]

I'd like to see Campbell be a huge success because i've never had anything against him but judging from what i saw today and this preseason I really don't think he's playing like a first string QB should play. I never thought Colt would get a chance at playing in Washington because you have 2 good QB's but the way JC is playing right now I wouldn't get mad if they put him in. It doesn't matter who's the QB as long as it's the QB who gives you the most chance to win wether it be Collins, Campbell, or Brennan but IMO i don't think that guy is Campbell but hey I might be wrong...

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[quote=DynamiteRave;472610]lol my italics was sarcasm.

But I loooooove Brennan and would not be opposed to giving him a starting role if we got that damn desperate.[/quote]

Agreed! And sorry I missed the italics. :) In a weird sort of way, he kind of reminds me of Jim McMahon. Not necessarily with how we plays, but just how laid back he is.

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[quote=sancho2613;472611]I'd like to see Campbell be a huge success because i've never had anything against him but judging from what i saw today and this preseason I really don't think he's playing like a first string QB should play. I never thought Colt would get a chance at playing in Washington because you have 2 good QB's [B]but the way JC is playing right now I wouldn't get mad if they put him in.[/B] It doesn't matter who's the QB as long as it's the QB who gives you the most chance to win wether it be Collins, Campbell, or Brennan but IMO i don't think that guy is Campbell but hey I might be wrong...[/quote]

Nor would I. I think the kid has the chance to blossom into something special.

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[quote=wilsowilso;472551]You are arguing for a failed policy aren't you? Very Republican don't you think?[/quote]He didn't start a retarded thread based on about 15 meaningful plays and then garbage time. Why in the world has your opinion changed?

He wasn't efficient today, and hurt the team today more then he helped it. Whatever. He'll be back there again in Week Two.

Retarded Thread.

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Either way, I'm thinking this year is Campbell's "make it, or break it year." No matter how many games this team wins this season, Campbell needs to show that he can adapt to this offense. I'm thinking if it doesn't look like he's making any progress by mid-season, it could be possible that we'd maybe see Colt. I, too, wouldn't be unhappy if that happens, but I just want the best guy for the job, no matter who it is.

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[quote=wilsowilso;472506]That wasn't a joke. I'm not asking for jack. I'm asking for a QB that isn't a bitch.[/quote]
I haven't even watched the game yet(DVR'd), but isn't Week 1 just a bit early to be calling our starting QB a bitch. Have you ever lined up under center at any level....I doubt it.

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[quote=GTripp0012;472618]He didn't start a retarded thread based on about 15 meaningful plays and then garbage time. Why in the world has your opinion changed?

He wasn't efficient today, and hurt the team today more then he helped it. Whatever. He'll be back there again in Week Two.

Retarded Thread.[/quote]

MY BAD! gTRIPP KNOWS how important QB play is right? You are actually trying to break down this game like that? This isn't preseason. The QB played very very very bad.

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[quote=wilsowilso;472625]MY BAD! gTRIPP KNOWS how important QB play is right? You are actually trying to break down this game like that? This isn't preseason. The QB played very very very bad.[/quote]You'll get a full game breakdown tomorrow courtesy of me, assuming that Matty doesn't have to give you a vacation to keep some sanity.

Campbell was very, very slow tonight in his reads. To me, that totally 100% backs up Schneed's hypothesis that he's not comfortable yet in the offense. Apparently to you, that means everything you've seen from him in 20 starts was a mirage, and that he's "a bitch" (which is totally meaningless to us).

Schneed's pretty smart, and I think I'm going to side with him on this one. I'll review the game tomorrow.

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[quote=wilsowilso;472625]MY BAD! gTRIPP KNOWS how important QB play is right? You are actually trying to break down this game like that? This isn't preseason. The QB played very very very bad.[/quote]

Wilsowilso,

Nobody here is implying that Jason Campbell played great or even average tonight. We all see that he has A LOT to learn with this new offense. We all know he played a bad game. But man, this IS the first game of the season. If the guy continues to struggle and doesn't look like he's making progress, then crap on the guy then if you must. But, give him at least a few games to redeem himself. It isn't like he's been playing in the same offense for the last four years.

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People on this site love to blame just ONE person when many people are at fault. It happened with Doughty in the Jacksonville game and it is happening with Campbell in this game. I don't think anyone is out to defend Campbell's bad plays, but people act like he single handedly brought down the team, while overlooking other areas in which the team screwed up such as pass protection, play calling, and dropped passes.

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[quote=GTripp0012;472632]You'll get a full game breakdown tomorrow courtesy of me, assuming that Matty doesn't have to give you a vacation to keep some sanity.[/quote]

Let me ask you a question Gtripp? Was it the fact that I used the word bitch that bothered you? I didn't do anything wrong except use the word bitch right?

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I'm not going to say we wouldn't have won this game with Peyton Manning at Quarterback, because we did hold them to 17 points. And Quarterback was certainly part of the problem tonight.

Other problems:

-No semblance of a running game
-Poor run defense
-No pressure on the QB in the first half
-Multiple Blown Coverages on the Giants TD Drive
-Piss poor blocking most of the night
-Receivers never, ever open

The defensive problems were minor, and as the game went on, they disapeared. The offensive issues seem to be rather major, and not bound to fix themselves anytime soon. Rest assured that Jason Campbell will be part of the solution, and a force that offsets the other problems. It will take time though.

If that isn't acceptable to you, then don't watch the games. It's not worth your time, because there are about 20 teams in the NFL that are better than this one that you can be rooting for.

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[quote=wilsowilso;472647]Let me ask you a question Gtripp? Was it the fact that I used the word bitch that bothered you? I didn't do anything wrong except use the word bitch right?[/quote]I'm not bothered. I think you've totally overreacted, and then you tried to draw an asinine political tie when skinsguy was being rational. I was simply saying the thread was retarded.

It boils down to you being ridiculously impatient. I don't care what you call Campbell, but you've been on his side the whole offseason, and if 15 plays can convince you otherwise, I don't know what I can say to you besides "thats crazy."

He'll play better in the future -- obviously.

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[quote=GTripp0012;472651]I'm not going to say we wouldn't have won this game with Peyton Manning at Quarterback, because we did hold them to 17 points. And Quarterback was certainly part of the problem tonight.

Other problems:

-No semblance of a running game
-Poor run defense
-No pressure on the QB in the first half
-Multiple Blown Coverages on the Giants TD Drive
-Piss poor blocking most of the night
-Receivers never, ever open

The defensive problems were minor, and as the game went on, they disapeared. The offensive issues seem to be rather major, and not bound to fix themselves anytime soon. Rest assured that Jason Campbell will be part of the solution, and a force that offsets the other problems. It will take time though.

If that isn't acceptable to you, then don't watch the games. It's not worth your time, because there are about 20 teams in the NFL that are better than this one that you can be rooting for.[/quote]

thank you GTripp the blame was not totally on JC.

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Let me get this straight. I argue that JC is not capable and you say that(directed to me) Matty might have to step in after that in general why don't you watch another team? I was a JC fan all along so when I get mad about his development this year you come up with this?

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[quote=wilsowilso;472656]Let me get this straight. I argue that JC is not capable and you say that(directed to me) Matty might have to step in after that in general why don't you watch another team? I was a JC fan all along so when I get mad about his development this year you come up with this?[/quote]

You don't sound like a JC fan

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On the hierarchy of blame for this one, I'd put Campbell no higher than 4th or 5th..
D-Line-not getting any push in the running game
WR-Moss, catch the f'ing ball. The rest of you, get to the 1st down sticks. They were drive killers all night!
DB (Rogers)-Catch the f'ing ball
Campbell-He's thinking way too much, as to be expected at this stage of learning the offense but giving him the chances to throw the ball and get in a rhythm will help accelerate that.
OL-Too many breakdowns in protection

To put this loss on Campbell proves that you have no actual knowledge about football and are simply echoing the morons that always blame or praise the QB for the team's fortunes.