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I think the saints are going to get exposed this year. I think that's a pretty winnable game. Brees has been very good, but now he has to contend with shockey and he's had a streaky career. Their D is suspect as well. I could be wrong but I think well beat them at home. Our skins are embarassed. Portis, Cooley, etc looked absolutely infuriated. They can respond and lead others on board to an emotional home victory.

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for me i,m going to let the season take shape and hopefully the skins will do the same as we move forward..

work in progress

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I think that if jc would look to the flats he would see clinton portis open alot ... but are defense was shaky and I hate seeing the skins get smashed on the run and pass... I like our run attack portis broke aye nice run for 22 yards.. I think jansen should come back in unstead of heyer.. Heyer is kinda soft to me.. Jason taylor is shaky at run defense but by next game he will shut that side down.. When springs comes back he will aye monster corner locking stuff up again... so I'm not worried.. I just can't wait for next week when they smash the saints and I guarentee that we beat dallas and philly yall might call me crazy but I saw mad pontential in are offense

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[quote=Paintrain;472688]I don't know if we'll beat the Saints or not but I expect to see improvement in that game. I really don't care if we have a winning record after 6 games, it's after 16 that I am concerned with. I didn't realize that games stopped counting after Columbus Day, did I miss that rule change?

I'm not ready to judge an entire draft class on one preseason game. If that were the case there would be a whole bunch of unemployed Pro Bowlers who didn't show anything early in their careers and a ton of fired executives. Draft classes can be judged in Year 3, not Day 1.

Please explain to me how 'depth' at CB, OL, DL or S would have reversed the outcome of tonights games. We didn't get beat on 'depth', our starters got their asses whipped for a half.

I believe in miracles but I don't think one is necessary for us to have a decent season.[/quote]
Amen Brother!

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[quote=jdot26;473079]... yall might call me crazy but I saw mad pontential in are offense[/quote]

What were you drinking?... because I need to get me some of that!

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[quote=hesscl34;473095]What were you drinking?... because I need to get me some of that![/quote]

QFT. lol

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I am not ready to give up on this team, not by a long shot. There are many reasons to be optimistic, or at least to not be downright depressed. However, it's tough to stomach last night's performance - especially since it was the first game we've seen in 8 months, we had such high expectations, and we love the team so much. It's a long season and things could very easily turn around; I'm just anxious to see things turned around sooner rather than later.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;473114]I am not ready to give up on this team, not by a long shot. There are many reasons to be optimistic, or at least to not be downright depressed. However, it's tough to stomach last night's performance - especially since it was the first game we've seen in 8 months, we had such high expectations, and we love the team so much. It's a long season and things could very easily turn around; I'm just anxious to see things turned around sooner rather than later.[/quote]

Understood, keep in mind though that the team we saw yesterday is not entirely the team they (the Redskins) have spent the last 8 months putting together. The front office and coaches were not preparing to win the opening game. They were, and still are, preparing to win long term. That's why they brought in Zorn to develop Campbell; Brennan to challenge and learn from Campbell; Kelly, Davis, and Thomas to grow with Campbell; Geisinger and Rinehart to protect Campbell; not to mention the continued development of Heyer and the veteran experience of Moss, Portis, ARE, and Cooley.

And that's just the offense.

So yeah we're all frustrated with a game one loss, but let's remember the big picture.

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I want to be an optimist when it comes to my Redskins. But the truth is we have regressed. We were a playoff team last year, with a decent defense and an upcoming team. We have taken several steps backwards this year. Anyone that does not see that is not looking at the performance of the team on the field. Our defense is not nearly as good and disciplined in its play as it was last years.
The reality is DC Gregg Williams should have been named our head coach and Zorn our OC. But Snyder choose Cerratto over Williams, because Williams wanted Ceratto out as part of his deal of taking over for Gibbs. Plain and simple. So Snyder choose Cerrato over Williams.
IMO we lost in that exchange.
I still do not get the love Snyder has for Cerrato? What is it based on?
We give up on a coach (Williams) that year after year proven his worth on the field as a Redskins coach, for a guy (Ceratto) that has not PROVEN HIS WORTH as a Redskins talent evaluator.
Just my overall opinion of the state of the Redskins.
I hope I am wrong.

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[quote=Ruhskins;472664]Besides, as I said before if I were a Giants fan I'd be happy for the win but concerned for the inability to put the game away. So overall it wasn't a pretty game on both sides. The Redskins do not have a potent offense, had they had one they could have easily come back in that game. And for all those yards they racked up, in the end all they had to show for was a TD (ran by the QB) and three field goals. Which by the way, if a banged up defense can hold the Giants to a TD and 3 FGs, then I have hope that a healthy defense can do great things.[/quote]


I agree, we should have been smoked, but our D hung in there and their O sputtered in all their drives even if they started them off rolling. Gmen won't be winning the East this season.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;473114]I am not ready to give up on this team, not by a long shot. There are many reasons to be optimistic, or at least to not be downright depressed. However, it's tough to stomach last night's performance - especially since it was the first game we've seen in 8 months, we had such high expectations, and we love the team so much. It's a long season and things could very easily turn around; I'm just anxious to see things turned around sooner rather than later.[/quote]


We need the younger taller draft pick WRs in the mix badly, plus quit this underneath stuff that is well short of the first down. Aren't there any longer pass plays within the WC system? Santana will only thrive(be athreat) if he is allowed to go deep.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;473121]I agree, we should have been smoked, but our D hung in there and their O sputtered in all their drives even if they started them off rolling. Gmen won't be winning the East this season.[/quote]

I disagree. The way I see it is they were ahead enough with enough of a cushion that we did not pose a threat. So they backed off the pedal. I do not see that our Defense played well. They moved the ball on us on the first 3 to 4 drives at will. Our defense did not look great or even good. Their offense backed off. They showed mercy. This was not the Patriots game of last year. The score of the game could have been alot worse if they kept on trying to score TD's.
The Giants ran the ball for over [B]150 yards and averaged 5.16 yards a carry[/B]. Our defense did not play well.

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[quote=Defensewins;473125]Our defense did not look great or even good. Their offense backed off. They showed mercy. This was not the Patriots game of last year. The score of the game could have been alot worse if they kept on trying to score TD's.
The Giants ran the ball for over [B]150 yards and averaged 5.16 yards a carry[/B]. Where exactly was the great defense?[/quote]

The D pitched a shutout the last half. Yes, the stats show a huge rushing avg against... but they didn't allow a point after the first half, regardless of yardage.

Teams in the NFL don't show mercy... especially when you're only up by two possessions.

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It's one game but I could have honestly done a better job. Portis, Cooley, Portis, Cooley, Portis, Portis, Portis, Moss! TD!

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Key point, we have 3 extra days to prep for the next game.

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[quote=Ruhskins;472664]Besides, as I said before if I were a Giants fan I'd be happy for the win but concerned for the inability to put the game away. So overall it wasn't a pretty game on both sides. The Redskins do not have a potent offense, had they had one they could have easily come back in that game. And for all those yards they racked up, in the end all they had to show for was a TD (ran by the QB) and three field goals. Which by the way, if a banged up defense can hold the Giants to a TD and 3 FGs, then I have hope that a healthy defense can do great things.[/quote]Yup. Of the two drives that ended in short FG's, one has to be put in the endzone. That, and I thought Eli was very rusty. Had the interception which was a stupid ball to throw, a few others that easily could have been picked and a few bad passes into the ground. Burress had some sick catches to help Eli's stats.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;473114]I am not ready to give up on this team, not by a long shot. There are many reasons to be optimistic, or at least to not be downright depressed.[/quote]

I can't believe I have to be a voice of reason, but you are 100% correct. Remember, the Giants D surrendered 80 points in the first two games last season and things worked out fairly well for them. Obviously something like that doesn't happen to often, but despite what some may say, the dice and roullette wheels do not have memories.

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[quote=SmootSmack;473115]Understood, keep in mind though that the team we saw yesterday is not entirely the team they (the Redskins) have spent the last 8 months putting together. The front office and coaches were not preparing to win the opening game. They were, and still are, preparing to win long term. That's why they brought in Zorn to develop Campbell; Brennan to challenge and learn from Campbell; Kelly, Davis, and Thomas to grow with Campbell; Geisinger and Rinehart to protect Campbell; not to mention the continued development of Heyer and the veteran experience of Moss, Portis, ARE, and Cooley.

And that's just the offense.

So yeah we're all frustrated with a game one loss, but let's remember the big picture.[/quote]
You make some great points . As far as preparing for the long term , they better stop the trend of throwing away draft picks . We will need to replace Samuals, Kendall, Thomas , Jansen , Sellers , and maybe Portis in the next 2 or three years . Portis will still be a good back , but he will not be as fast in three years . We will also have to replace Griffin , Taylor , Washington , Fletcher , Springs and possibly Smoot in the same time frame . I just hope Zorn can win enough games and stay here for 5 years , so JC and Colt can stay in the same Offense year in / out . I cannot see us being able to win in the playoffs until we build better lines on both sides of the ball . As far as Cooley , he needs to stop blogging and doing radio , he sucks at blocking ,, he looked like a ten year old last night !!

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[quote=Defensewins;473125]I disagree. The way I see it is they were ahead enough with enough of a cushion that we did not pose a threat. So they backed off the pedal. I do not see that our Defense played well. They moved the ball on us on the first 3 to 4 drives at will. Our defense did not look great or even good. Their offense backed off. They showed mercy. This was not the Patriots game of last year. The score of the game could have been alot worse if they kept on trying to score TD's.
The Giants ran the ball for over [B]150 yards and averaged 5.16 yards a carry[/B]. Our defense did not play well.[/quote]

Why back off the pedal with only a 9 point lead?

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The giants showed mercy? Are you F@#king kidding me?

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[quote=GusFrerotte;473172]Why back off the pedal with only a 9 point lead?[/quote]

Agreed.

What bothered me the most is the playcalling, which made me think that JZ has no confidence in JC at all. Run, Run, pass. Sound familiar? That isn't West coast, last time I checked. It was as though after a terrible first series with a sack and batted ball and the G-men swarming on D, we went conservative in play calling. I kept yelling, "Just throw the damn ball." I was channeling Keyshawn, I guess. Most of the passes came in the last half (and last quarter) when we were playing catch up. Not a balanced attack, and the Giants knew it.

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[quote=calia;473175]Agreed.

What bothered me the most is the playcalling, which made me think that JZ has no confidence in JC at all. Run, Run, pass. Sound familiar? That isn't West coast, last time I checked. It was as though after a terrible first series with a sack and batted ball and the G-men swarming on D, we went conservative in play calling. I kept yelling, "Just throw the damn ball." I was channeling Keyshawn, I guess. Most of the passes came in the last half (and last quarter) when we were playing catch up. Not a balanced attack, and the Giants knew it.[/quote]

What frustrated me was JZ's response for not throwing enough to Cooley. He said on the two plays that he drew up for Cooley, they were offside penalties on both of them. ON THE TWO PLAYS TO COOLEY!? When did Cooley have only two passes in a regular season game? JZ better utilize Cooley, Betts and Sellers if he wants to keep his job. He minimized his chances after leaving them out of the playbook.

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[quote=SUNRA;473179]What frustrated me was JZ's response for not throwing enough to Cooley. He said on the two plays that he drew up for Cooley, they were offside penalties on both of them. ON THE TWO PLAYS TO COOLEY!? When did Cooley have only two passes in a regular season game? JZ better utilize Cooley, Betts and Sellers if he wants to keep his job. He minimized his chances after leaving them out of the playbook.[/quote]Maybe JC decided because Cooley did NOT show up to play he did not bother to look his way ? I know it is just one game ,,, but Cooley did not attempt to block on several plays ,,, he should be ashamed of the effort he gave last night . CC is a great receiver , but he better watch CP and learn to block once in awhile !

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I do apologize for giving up on the season after week 1. Thing that really bothered me that every weakness CB, DL, OL weren't really addressed were actually still REAL weaknesses. Also the 4th quarter play calling and situational game plan (ie 5 mins 2 scores). JC locking in on a WR, telegraphing in his 4th year now. The time is now or never. I hope we play better in our home opener. Brees is a smart guy and Brunell is there to tell the Saints every thing he knows. If Springs plays and Rogers, Smoot play better we have a shot, but Saints will be another tough test. I'm disappointed in apparent weaknesses still being apparent weaknesses.

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[quote=Defensewins;473120]I want to be an optimist when it comes to my Redskins. But the truth is we have regressed. We were a playoff team last year, with a decent defense and an upcoming team. We have taken several steps backwards this year. Anyone that does not see that is not looking at the performance of the team on the field. Our defense is not nearly as good and disciplined in its play as it was last years.
The reality is DC Gregg Williams should have been named our head coach and Zorn our OC. But Snyder choose Cerratto over Williams, because Williams wanted Ceratto out as part of his deal of taking over for Gibbs. Plain and simple. So Snyder choose Cerrato over Williams.
IMO we lost in that exchange.
I still do not get the love Snyder has for Cerrato? What is it based on?
We give up on a coach (Williams) that year after year proven his worth on the field as a Redskins coach, for a guy (Ceratto) that has not PROVEN HIS WORTH as a Redskins talent evaluator.
Just my overall opinion of the state of the Redskins.
I hope I am wrong.[/quote]

Unfortunately I TOTALLY AGREE with you! Williams has fire, integrity and is extremely qualified.

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[quote=calia;473175]What bothered me the most is the playcalling, which made me think that JZ has no confidence in JC at all. Run, Run, pass. Sound familiar? That isn't West coast, last time I checked. It was as though after a terrible first series with a sack and batted ball and the G-men swarming on D, we went conservative in play calling. I kept yelling, "Just throw the damn ball." I was channeling Keyshawn, I guess. Most of the passes came in the last half (and last quarter) when we were playing catch up. Not a balanced attack, and the Giants knew it.[/quote]

On the play calling:

1. Zorn only has a certain amount of his offense in place, knows he has a good defense and special teams - so he does what any PRO coach would do: Plays field position and smart football until his O starts clicking. If anything his conservative playcalling makes me believe in Zorn more- he is here to win games not just run his system.

2. Situational play calling was ass in the second half (first half 2 min was perfect, score w/ little time left on the clock) - no reason for staying in the huddle and we wasted alot of time. This is where Zorn has to grow.

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[quote=Mwoody85;472766]If anyone keeps stats on DB's droping INT's, I would put money on carlos rodgers being in the top 3.[/quote]Smoot had a big one as well!

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[quote=Luxorreb;473221]I do apologize for giving up on the season after week 1. Thing that really bothered me that every weakness CB, DL, OL weren't really addressed were actually still REAL weaknesses. Also the 4th quarter play calling and situational game plan (ie 5 mins 2 scores). JC locking in on a WR, telegraphing in his 4th year now. The time is now or never. I hope we play better in our home opener. Brees is a smart guy and Brunell is there to tell the Saints every thing he knows. If Springs plays and Rogers, Smoot play better we have a shot, but Saints will be another tough test. I'm disappointed in apparent weaknesses still being apparent weaknesses.[/quote]
I think we saw the o line is over the hill and not in a good way. They got push around by the Giants. Also we saw that JC isn't and may never be a very good QB. He lost on the field. If the a player isn't wide open he stops like a deer caught in head light! If these two things are going on I don't care who is calling the plays it not going to work! It's funny when most around football thought we will finish last in our divison and our QB rated c or less we say they don't know what they are talking about. We are going to see everyone we play come at us hard with pressure untill JC or who ever can make them pay big gainers with the short pass!

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After Watching the game this weekend I had two thoughts

1. The NFC Beast is very good

2. If the worst we play was thursday night then we will be fine.

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[quote=Defensewins;473120]I want to be an optimist when it comes to my Redskins. But the truth is we have regressed. We were a playoff team last year, with a decent defense and an upcoming team. We have taken several steps backwards this year. Anyone that does not see that is not looking at the performance of the team on the field. Our defense is not nearly as good and disciplined in its play as it was last years.
The reality is DC Gregg Williams should have been named our head coach and Zorn our OC. But Snyder choose Cerratto over Williams, because Williams wanted Ceratto out as part of his deal of taking over for Gibbs. Plain and simple. So Snyder choose Cerrato over Williams.
IMO we lost in that exchange.
I still do not get the love Snyder has for Cerrato? What is it based on?
We give up on a coach (Williams) that year after year proven his worth on the field as a Redskins coach, for a guy (Ceratto) that has not PROVEN HIS WORTH as a Redskins talent evaluator.
Just my overall opinion of the state of the Redskins.
I hope I am wrong.[/quote]

What has Williams proven as a head coach that Cerrato hasn't as a front office executive?

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[QUOTE]
What has Williams proven as a head coach that Cerrato hasn't as a front office executive?[/QUOTE]

excellent point....williams tanked as a head coach and nobody jumped on him this offseason. Cerrato has done a decent job, and i think it is a step in the right direction having a GM

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i just watched indy lose... what a horrible team... that peyton guy can't play. i hope they cut him and fire the coach.

seriously, i waited 4 months for this?

/rant

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[quote=RedskinPete;473715]I think we saw the o line is over the hill and not in a good way. [B]They got push around by the Giants[/B]. Also we saw that JC isn't and may never be a very good QB. [B]He lost on the field[/B]. If the a player isn't wide open he stops[B] like a deer caught in head light[/B]! If these two things are going on I don't care who is calling the plays it not going to work! It's funny when most around football thought we will finish last in our divison and our QB rated c or less we say they don't know what they are talking about. We are going to see everyone we play come at us hard with pressure untill [B]JC or who ever can make them pay big gainers with the short pass[/B]![/quote]Wow! That is really hard to read.