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[quote=Schneed10;473315]Well, now [U]you[/U] are making the case for an overreaction with statements like these. I agree we're not strong in the trenches, but judging Zorn and Cerrato as below average and in over his head after one game is premature. You don't have enough evidence yet to judge Cerrato's first draft class which he was solely in charge of. And one game isn't enough time to tell you whether Zorn can hold a team together through crisis and teach his players how to improve.

I do think we'll end up with a top 10 pick in the draft this year, but to rag on Zorn and Vinny at this point is premature. You just can't expect this team to be very good after such a big transition.

Here's the ultimate sniff test: how in the world do you go from Joe Gibbs to Jim Zorn and get better right away? If you expected Zorn to be better off the bat than Joe Gibbs was in his 4th season back, then you either drastically underestimate what a change in scheme does to a team or you think Joe Gibbs 2.0 was a terrible coach (in which case you're a moron).

The Zorn hire marked a new era. It meant we have to spend a year going through a tough learning period in hopes of taking steps forward in 2009, taking us further than where we were in 2007.[/quote]

But there didn't need to be such a big transition. If the FO had half a brain they would've known that JC and the whole offense is going to struggle having to learn yet another offense. A smart FO keeps the OC. If you don't like Al then bring in a guy who runs the same system with the same terminolgy. Wasn't Cam Cameron out there? Why isn't he here? He's got OC and HC experience and I think he runs the Coryell numbers system. Can you name me one NFL Qb that's had to learn 3 NFL systems in his first 4 years?? Sorry but that's just not smart football. JC played poorly Mon. but he sure isn't getting any help from management. Plus you've got Collins who knows that system and played his ass off to help get this team in the playoffs last season. Sorry but if I'm management I'm keeping Al around just for that reason alone. Why make these guys learn something new when they could perfect what was already in place????

These coaches are paid high salaries. To not have a hurry up offense running with 6 min to go in a game where you're trailing by two scores is just stupid. That's high school stuff. Plus if Zorn watched the tapes from last year he'd know that JC runs the no huddle shotgun pretty damn well. Where the hell was it?? So again, why hire a guy who has no HC or OC experience? All I'm saying is there were more qualified guys out there. Just cause you get along with a guy doesn't mean he's the best guy for the job. This shit isn't about getting along, it's about winning games.

I know I'm overracting a bit. NY is just better. But not being prepared is a whole nother issue. We we not prepared Thurs. night and that pisses me off.

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[quote=skinsfan69;473310]I think people just need to realize that man for man we just don't match up with the top teams in the NFL. We lack true playmakers on both sides of the ball and we are not a strong team in the trenches. When you add on that fact that our front office is below average and we've got a rookie head coach that looks to be a little in over his head you've got a 4-6 win team. Sometimes people just need to face the facts. I know it sucks cause we homers tend to think our guys are better then they really are. I think that's just the case, not only around here but all over town. Once people realize it then maybe we won't see all the overreacting.[/quote]

Disagree - plain and simple. I think we agree the guys looked like shit Thurs. I think we agree the transition to the WCO is pretty rough and too slow. We def agree the FO is not up to par w/ elite teams in the NFL. But I can't agree w/ you on our players. Offensively, we're sitting on one of the elite RBs in football, a proven elite TE and another TE that was elite through college, one of the very best fullbacks in football, a QB who has shown flashes of huge potential, WRs that do not fit the WCO but have been major deep threats, and a line that should at least get the job done. To the point I don't think we are utilizing the talent we have on the field at any given time and that is what has been truly frustrating over the last few years and again on Thurs.

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MattyK72, I just want to say god bless you. Sometimes I even wonder if there are real redskins fans still left. We have a rookie HC and a young QB learning his 5 or 6th off. My god people just give them a chance, after the first 5 weeks things ease up on us. All 3 NFC East teams on the road in the first 5 weeks! Come on thats a killer right there, and its not helping Zorn out at all. If Danny will leave Zorn alone, maybe he can flush out this waste on this team and draft some players that will take us to the next level.

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[quote=KWilly_2003;473333]MattyK72, I just want to say god bless you. Sometimes I even wonder if there are real redskins fans still left. We have a rookie HC and a young QB learning his 5 or 6th off. My god people just give them a chance, after the first 5 weeks things ease up on us. All 3 NFC East teams on the road in the first 5 weeks! Come on thats a killer right there, and its not helping Zorn out at all. [B]If Danny will leave Zorn alone, maybe he can flush out this waste on this team and draft some players that will take us to the next level.[/B][/quote]

So essentially you're calling for patience and hope for future seasons. Sounds about right to me, because this season is not likely to end up above .500.

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[quote=Mattyk72;473293]Finally? He's been pretty candid about shouldering blame and what his responsibilities are as head coach from day one.[/quote]

I went back and listened to a number of interviews with Zorn and I still disagree. Watching for the last few months and definitely over the last few games, he has put much of the blame for failures squarely on players. Also, look at the interview that Sonny did with him in the locker room. Do you really think he took responsibility for not getting Cooley the ball and for not managing the clock better?

I'll admit that maybe I'm just used to hearing Gibbs shoulder the blame in a different way. Zorn's critiques just have struck a bad chord with me lately.

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I am already very tired of this stuff.

Here's what's gonna happen. We'll play the season and see what goes down.

Prediction: Skins fans (like most fans) will react as they always do: like fanatics.

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[quote=The Goat;473328]Disagree - plain and simple. I think we agree the guys looked like shit Thurs. I think we agree the transition to the WCO is pretty rough and too slow. We def agree the FO is not up to par w/ elite teams in the NFL. But I can't agree w/ you on our players. Offensively, we're sitting on one of the elite RBs in football, a proven elite TE and another TE that was elite through college, one of the very best fullbacks in football, a QB who has shown flashes of huge potential, WRs that do not fit the WCO but have been major deep threats, and a line that should at least get the job done. To the point I don't think we are utilizing the talent we have on the field at any given time and that is what has been truly frustrating over the last few years and again on Thurs.[/quote]

I agree with the Goat, for some reason, we are not utilizing the talent on the offensive side of the ball. I don't think people really want to see Jason fired or all those other silly things, we just want some effort shown. I have a faith in the Redskins roster. I don't like the excuse of Jason having to learn different systems and he needs an adjustment period. that's not true. he will always have rushers in his face and 5 passing options on the field.

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[quote=redsk1;473319]We all know that some, maybe more than some overreact.

I don't think it's an overreaction to say that it was one of the sloppiest time management games I've seen in a while. A new head coach doesn't get a pass. He should be ready, it's the NFL.

[b]I don't think it's an overreaction to say JC played like s***.[/b] It's not all on JC but he didn't look real comfortable although he settled down a bit.

I'm not ready to throw in the towel but i've been more than concerned for a few weeks.[/quote]
He didn't remind anyone of Tom Brady, but did he really play like sh*t? Is 56% completion, a TD, an 81.6% QB rating and no turnovers playing like sh*t? He didn't look great but to read the boards you would have thought we had a blind hippo playing QB and he single handedly cost us the game.

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[quote=skinsfan69;473321]But there didn't need to be such a big transition. If the FO had half a brain they would've known that JC and the whole offense is going to struggle having to learn yet another offense. [B]A smart FO keeps the OC.[/B] If you don't like Al then bring in a guy who runs the same system with the same terminolgy. Wasn't Cam Cameron out there? Why isn't he here? He's got OC and HC experience and I think he runs the Coryell numbers system. Can you name me one NFL Qb that's had to learn 3 NFL systems in his first 4 years?? Sorry but that's just not smart football. JC played poorly Mon. but [B]he sure isn't getting any help from management[/B]. Plus you've got [B]Collins who knows that system and played his ass off to help get this team in the playoffs last season[/B]. Sorry but if I'm management I'm keeping Al around just for that reason alone. Why make these guys learn something new when they could perfect what was already in place????

These coaches are paid high salaries. To not have a hurry up offense running with 6 min to go in a game where you're trailing by two scores is just stupid. That's high school stuff. Plus if Zorn watched the tapes from last year he'd know that JC runs the no huddle shotgun pretty damn well. Where the hell was it?? So again, why hire a guy who has no HC or OC experience? All I'm saying is there were more qualified guys out there. Just cause you get along with a guy doesn't mean he's the best guy for the job. [B]This shit isn't about getting along, it's about winning games.[/B]

I know I'm overracting a bit. NY is just better. But not being prepared is a whole nother issue. We we not prepared Thurs. night and that pisses me off.[/quote]
1) Why keep the same OC who was responsible for the Lloyd & ARE deals? Why keep the same OC who general consensus is wasn't very effective, just for the sake of continuity?

2) JC didn't get any help from management??? Didn't we draft 2 WRs, a TE and OL with our first four picks?

3) Collins was effective but not the only reason we played strong down the stretch, weather, the D stepping up and the Cowboys securing playoff position had a lot more to do with that run than Collins. Collins is a career back-up for a reason. He was a FA and no one pursued him with starter $$$ even though there are a few teams that desperately needed QB help.

4) The goal is winning a SB, not winning games. What good is it to be 8-8, 9-7 and not advance in the playoffs. The draft picks aren't going to put us in the NFC Cahmpionship this year, but we are building to make a run in 2009 or 2010. DS & VC were right to go in another direction on offense than Saunders. For whatever reason other HC candidates didn't work out, we don't know all the details. Zorn will have some growing pains but appears to have good attention to detail and will be significantly better towards the end of the year than he is now.

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It's called impatience, unfortunately many fans on this board are. They bitch about a young QB not playing like a vet, they forget that in the old days a QB rode the pine for 4-5 years before he got a chance and compare him to other QB's like Brady or Manning that were successful from the start. Do most of you guys know how rare that is? I'll give Zorn and Campbell a chance, it's a new system and that takes time. If you guys want to bitch at someone, how about Vinny he chose to go with the Paul Brown offense instead of the Air Coryell. This creates a whole new philosphy that needs to be learned and the right players plugged in for the system. If you guys think that Collins can do better than JC, then you haven't watched the pre-season, if anything Colt would do better than Collins in this system and that's still a ways away.

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[quote=DIRTEE;473344]I agree with the Goat, for some reason, we are not utilizing the talent on the offensive side of the ball. I don't think people really want to see Jason fired or all those other silly things, we just want some effort shown. I have a faith in the Redskins roster. [B]I don't like the excuse of Jason having to learn different systems and he needs an adjustment period.[/B] that's not true. he will always have rushers in his face and 5 passing options on the field.[/quote]

Tell that to Matt Hasselbeck who struggled in picking up the WCO in Seattle.

It's not an excuse, it's a simple fact of life in the NFL that switching systems is not always the easiest thing to do, and requires some time and patience. It's one of the reasons why playing QB is probably the toughest thing to do in all of sports.

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[quote=Schneed10;473313]Well, I guess it kind of depends on what your definition of "overreaction" is.

If I said that based on what I saw in the preseason, and what I saw the other night, that we will not make the playoffs this season, is that an overreaction? I don't think so at all.

Now, am I saying ridiculous things like trading for Jason Taylor was a bad idea, and Jason Campbell is all wrong for the WCO? Hell no. But I definitely don't think we'll make the playoffs.

You said yourself the offense clearly needs time, alluding to the length of time Hasselbeck took to get up to speed in Seattle as precedent. And if you're willing to wait half a season for the offense to come around, aren't you really saying that you don't expect us to win very much during the first half of the year?

I mean, our defense is solid, but it's not spectacular. It's basically the same group from last year with the same schemes, which placed 9th in the NFL. That's above average, but not good enough to win games for us while our offense finds its way, a la Trent Dilfer and the 2000 Ravens.

Now's about the time during this post when people start saying, "well yeah but it's still possible, there are 15 games left." Of course it's possible, that's not the question. Is it PROBABLE? That's the question.

If our expectations are that the offense will struggle as JC learns it, then we can't possibly expect the 'Skins to beat Dallas in Dallas and Philly in Philly, can we? It's possible, but not probable.

I'll give you this, an overreaction would be to say that it's impossible for the 'Skins to make the playoffs. But it would be right on point to say they probably won't - anything else is irrational exuberance buoyed by the emotional hopes of a football-starved fan in early September.[/quote]

great post

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[quote=Mattyk72;473350]Tell that to Matt Hasselbeck who struggled in picking up the WCO in Seattle.

It's not an excuse, it's a simple fact of life in the NFL that switching systems is not always the easiest thing to do, and requires some time and patience. It's one of the reasons why playing QB is probably the toughest thing to do in all of sports.[/quote]

Hasselbeck was actually benched for Trent Dilfer halfway through his first season in Seattle, which was I believe his 4th in the league. He turned out ok.

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Thank you GMScud. It took two years for Hasselbeck to become a top QB. JC just needs time. And for those who said Zorn lays the blame on the players is not true. He said right off the bat that he wishs he had plays back, and that the clock managment was bad. Hes new to this too people. Football is a little bit harder down on the field then it is in your PS3 people. Gibbs went 0-5 in his first 5 games in 1981, to later finish 8-8......then next year.....hummmm....

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so i also get the impression that this jumping on the team thing keeps coming earlier and earlier in the year, and its unwarranted. honestly, i blame snyder and his shenanigans. fans don't trust that the organization is doing things well or even fairly. various times over the last 8-9 years some of us (defintely me) have felt duped over the latest 'improvements'. and so every year we criticize earlier because dammit, we're not going to get overly optimistic and feel fooled again. even vinny has gotten (a bit) too much criticism because of this. but he probably doesn't deserve as much as he's getting and ndefinitely zorn or jc don't deserve it. let's chill out and give'em a chance...

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[quote=The Goat;473328]Disagree - plain and simple. I think we agree the guys looked like shit Thurs. I think we agree the transition to the WCO is pretty rough and too slow. We def agree the FO is not up to par w/ elite teams in the NFL. But I can't agree w/ you on our players. Offensively, we're sitting on one of the elite RBs in football, a proven elite TE and another TE that was elite through college, one of the very best fullbacks in football, a QB who has shown flashes of huge potential, WRs that do not fit the WCO but have been major deep threats, and a line that should at least get the job done. To the point I don't think we are utilizing the talent we have on the field at any given time and that is what has been truly frustrating over the last few years and again on Thurs.[/quote]

Just look within the division. I don't see anyone on our offense that can take over the game like Burress or TO can. Cooley is a nice player. No doubt. But I'd probably take Witten over Cooley. Portis is a top ten back. No question. But he's not as good as Westbrook. He's not the duel threat like Westbrook is. And Davis may be good in the future but right now he's just an unproven rookie. And where it matters most, at the Qb position, JC is the worst QB within the division. He can't carry us yet, he's only shown flashes. But what we gave up to get him I expect him to be able to carry us at times. Right now his head is probably spining and he's thinking instead of reacting.

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[quote=KWilly_2003;473357]Thank you GMScud. It took two years for Hasselbeck to become a top QB. JC just needs time. And for those who said Zorn lays the blame on the players is not true. He said right off the bat that he wishs he had plays back, and that the clock managment was bad. Hes new to this too people. Football is a little bit harder down on the field then it is in your PS3 people. Gibbs went 0-5 in his first 5 games in 1981, to later finish 8-8......then next year.....hummmm....[/quote]

Sorry but there is no excuse for running Portis into the pile with 6 minutes to go and not running hurry up when we're down two scores. That was almost a fireable offense right there. No urgency what so ever. We might not win against NO cause I think they're better than we are. But at least I want us to be prepared.

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[quote=Mattyk72;473288]Was the defense really the problem though?

They tightened up in the 2nd half (42 yard rushing allowed vs. 74 in the first half) and kept us in the game and only allowed 1 TD. If we had any hint of an offense that was a very winnable game.

Yes the D needs some improvement, but I'm not sure why you are so focused on them vs. the offense, which needs a vast improvement.[/quote]

I am old school, defense wins championships was the name I tried to make as my TWP name. I respect teams that have great defenses and I really appreaciate seeing a good defense play. I played LB and safety in school and I know what to look for and can tell by a few drives if any team has a sound defense or not. We do not. Our team will hang in there and make a game of it on a given week, but we will also get blow out a game or two this year. We are not a a caliber of team that will keep every game close on our defense alone. We have to click on all cylinders to win games this year or be playing a weak team . That makes it difficult and frustrating. Especially since we had a good defense not to long ago.

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I do believe we are all overreacting, every one of us. I mean we have been frustrated the last four years, and with Zorn being hired I think that we all believed there would be a 180 from coach Joe. The thing is that learning a new offense is hard to do especially when it's a big difference from what the team has been doing. I'm not making excuses because these guys are professionals (blocking is blocking, tackling is tackling, going past the first down marker on third down...etc) they should be able to do the fundamentals,
but playing in a new offense in a hostile environment will hinder the things that we want to do. One thing I am throughly disappointed in is Zorn's clock management. A guy who played quarterback in the NFL should know when to use his 2 and 4 minute offensive calls. On a positive Portis will be a beast when he gets his legs under him and Blache adjusted our D in the second half.
By week 4 or 5 this team should really begin clicking

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Matty:

Indeed some folks have over-reacted to a rather poor opening game by the Skins. I might suggest that many of those over-reacting folks are the same ones who were projecting the Skins as the NFC East Champs with a really good shot at the Super Bowl this year. That was - and is - an unrealistic expectation. So, when they played the way they did, those folks panic.

The team's play will have to improve as the season goes along; it's just not possible for them to continue to make those kinds of mistakes (on the field and on the sidelines) week after week.

But in the cold light of day, the Redksins of 2008 have precisely the same weaknesses than they had in 2007.


1. The same 3 wide recievers are out there most of the time and they are a mediocre bunch. They have been for the last three seasons and there is no reason to expect them to "blossom" at this stage of their careers.

2. Jason Campbell still stares down his recievers far too often.

3. Defensive line cannot stop the run effectively.


You would like to think that at least one of these weaknesses would be significantly better in 08 than it was in 07. No indication yet. Time will tell. Patience is called for...

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Its just frustrating because we looked so good in the first to preseason games and we got to excited, when we all knew it was probably going to be like this till we get the new system down. But that first half, I was about to say get the gunslinger brennan in there sometimes you got to go with the hot hand, and he has it. Its like Madden has said a couple of times he just brings some kind energy to the huddle. Not saying lets dump JC cause I think he will be a good QB, but if he is struggling let him sit out a few downs to get his thoughts together. Whats it going to hurt! The thing that bugs me is our offense, we got to put up 35 points a game to go anywhere. I just want a dominating team like we used to have, when we would beat most of the league, a long time ago.

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I haven't had to overreact because I saw this coming and got it all out of my system beforehand.

It's not that bad. They can win some games. I think Zorn needs to focus more on matchups in his game planning. Find the defenses weak link and pick on him. Sometimes you get so caught up in trying to establish your identity, you lose focus. Flexibility is important too. I think Bruce Lee has some good thoughts in this area. Let the opponent dictate how you defeat him.

As fans, once we accept that this team will have to struggle for everything, we can begin to actually root for them again. They're just not going to dominate. If that's what your into, this is not the team.

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[quote=skinsfan69;473363]Just look within the division. I don't see anyone on our offense that can take over the game like Burress or TO can. Cooley is a nice player. No doubt. But I'd probably take Witten over Cooley. Portis is a top ten back. No question. But he's not as good as Westbrook. He's not the duel threat like Westbrook is. And Davis may be good in the future but right now he's just an unproven rookie. And where it matters most, at the Qb position, JC is the worst QB within the division. He can't carry us yet, he's only shown flashes. But what we gave up to get him I expect him to be able to carry us at times. Right now his head is probably spining and he's thinking instead of reacting.[/quote]

Dude, you've got me LMOA. Not laughing at you so don't take this the wrong way but I've never heard Chris Cooley described as a nice player. Shit, just saying that out loud makes me crack up. Cooley has been under-utilized even in his best season, and has shown the talent and athleticism to take over a game. He's a phenom in waiting IMO and I'm hoping Zorn and Co. can hash out a game-plan that let's Cooley be the dominant offensive force he should be.

You could be right about Westbrook over CP but isn't it impossible to say since Westbrook has been blessed in Philly w/ an offensive genius for an HC. CP has been far less fortunate in his path w/ the exception of his brief stint in Denver. More to the point, try thinking about what CP would have done in Westbrook's circumstances. I still think CP can take over a game and it's up to Zorn and the offensive line to give him the opportunity w/ play-calling and decent blocking.

On to Davis, if Zorn and the FO spent a 2nd round pick on the most prolific TE in college ball last year just so he could spend his time blocking we might as well call it a season. Dude showed awesome hands and almost WR like ability to run routes and make defenders miss. If we don't find a way to incorporate him in the offense as a downfield target it looks like the worst pick of the draft.

But here's where we agree - JC is the worst QB in the division (assuming Dono is back to his old self). That is a shitty reality for us, but I'm not ready to say JC is just a shitty QB. He's shown flashes and now he needs to settle into the WCO. Hopefully his experience in the WC from senior year @ Auburn will start to pay dividends. Hopefully he progresses quick enough that we won't have to right '08 off.

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[quote=KWilly_2003;473357]Thank you GMScud. It took two years for Hasselbeck to become a top QB. JC just needs time. And for those who said Zorn lays the blame on the players is not true. He said right off the bat that he wishs he had plays back, and that the clock managment was bad. Hes new to this too people. Football is a little bit harder down on the field then it is in your PS3 people. Gibbs went 0-5 in his first 5 games in 1981, to later finish 8-8......then next year.....hummmm....[/quote]


I don't mean to be rude, but that 0-5 to 8-8 analogy about Gibbs is getting old. Gibbs had everything going for him then: HOF talent, a great owner and probably the best GM in NFL history, to help get him into Canton. Gibbs also had a kick ass offensive scheme ala air Coryell. Since you love the 0-5 to 8-8 analogy, Marty did the same thing in 2000, but didn't go anywhere the next year, as he got canned. Not saying we can't do it this season, but I highly doubt we are going to reach 8-8. THe coach is brand new, the scheme is brand new, and let's face it, other than Portis and maybe Cooley, who is really HOF potential here?

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[quote=Mattyk72;473288]Was the defense really the problem though?

They tightened up in the 2nd half (42 yard rushing allowed vs. 74 in the first half) and kept us in the game and only allowed 1 TD. If we had any hint of an offense that was a very winnable game.

Yes the D needs some improvement, but I'm not sure why you are so focused on them vs. the offense, which needs a vast improvement.[/quote]

the defense def tightened up the 2nd half,but 74 and 42 add up to 116,Jacobs had that by himself,Giants actually had 154 yrds rushing,which is not good.Plus we were getting steamrolled that first half,IMO,the giants let us off easily,especially on their 2nd and 3rd drive,I think they could have easily picked up their first downs if they would have went for them instead of settling for fg's,they had a 4th n 2 and a 4th n 4,the way our def was playing,they should have went for it,on their 4th drive they had 4th n 5,they probably should have went for that too.The worst drive the giants had ended at the 29 yrd line,
first drive,11 plays 84 yrds
2nd,9 plays 45 yrds
3rd 11 plays 62 yrds
4th 11 plays 57 yrds
bottom line,we couldnt stop them,we were extremely lucky they settled for 16 points,if it would have been last yrs Patriots with their mentality,it would have been 28 points,and the bad thing is,your right about one thing,the offense was worse than the defense

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[quote=70Chip;473385]I haven't had to overreact because I saw this coming and got it all out of my system beforehand.

It's not that bad. They can win some games. I think Zorn needs to focus more on matchups in his game planning. Find the defenses weak link and pick on him. Sometimes you get so caught up in trying to establish your identity, you lose focus. Flexibility is important too. I think Bruce Lee has some good thoughts in this area. Let the opponent dictate how you defeat him.

As fans, once we accept that this team will have to struggle for everything, we can begin to actually root for them again. They're just not going to dominate. If that's what your into, this is not the team.[/quote]

People had super high expectations. We have a rookie coach and all we can hope is to finish .500. People need to move on, I'm sure the team have and they're focusing on N.O.

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We must have patience-Cooley's big play called back due to penalty--the defense is solid--the "O" will come around--fact we opened season on a Thursday gives us a couple xtra days to prepare for Saints. We lost a battle but will win the war.

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I agree. But this is typical redskin fandum. Impatient as hell... I knew this was going ot happen and I told my family this, We have a new offense yet again, but this time we have new coaches, and our HC hasnt ever called plays before so if course this is going totake some time.... you people need to learn how to relax, but the best option would have been to hire Greg Williams but oh well. It's going to take a little bit of time guys, stop over reacting

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[quote=Ruhskins;473393]People had super high expectations. We have a rookie coach and all we can hope is to finish .500. People need to move on, I'm sure the team have and they're focusing on N.O.[/quote]

Bring em on Baby!

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I think the main issue is fans are offensively minded. I am positive if the score was 42-21 then the bashing would not be nearly as high.

I personally think it is great our D still looks good(against the SB champs I might add) after being ripped apart a couple times in the preseason.

Let's be honest, you can't except a first year coach and team learning a new offense, to throw up 30 points against SB champs. That is just unrealistic.

I think a major concern is the oline, and heyer's mistakes. The penalties really killed an offensive that needed all the help it could get.

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[quote=Mattyk72;473273]I guess maybe it's just the timing of the overreactions. Week 1 and people are already pulling the plug.[/quote]

Just keep in mind, there are people such as myself that have remained calm, and understand the situation. Do I like the loss, absolutely not, but we can afford to have 6 more of these and still make the playoffs...I am not worried, nor am I even close to hitting the panic button.

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[quote=hooskins;473449]I think the main issue is fans are offensively minded. I am positive if the score was 42-21 then the bashing would not be nearly as high.

I personally think it is great our D still looks good(against the SB champs I might add) after being ripped apart a couple times in the preseason.

Let's be honest, you can't except a first year coach and team learning a new offense, to throw up 30 points against SB champs. That is just unrealistic.

I think a major concern is the oline, and heyer's mistakes. The penalties really killed an offensive that needed all the help it could get.[/quote]

People are acting like the score was 41-3 instead of 16-7.

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[quote=Ruhskins;473468]People are acting like the score was 41-3 instead of 16-7.[/quote]

I don't' know if you saw the Giants but they absolutely sucked. They are not the team that they were last year. Eli played poorly and lot of teams will take advantage of them as a team this year.

We couldn't even compete with them as a team. We made a ass of ourselves in the national spotlight. I think it was that bad and I don't think I'm overreacting.

As long as the offense looks that inept then there is cause for concern. They had four months to prep and looked like they just found out about the game the previous day.

Matt Ryan is a new player, on a new team with a new head coach and he managed not to make a complete ass of himself during a live NFL game. You'd think given those circumstances that Campbell and the Skins wouldn't have laid an egg during the game they've prepped 4 months for.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;473528]I don't' know if you saw the Giants but they absolutely sucked. They are not the team that they were last year. Eli played poorly and lot of teams will take advantage of them as a team this year.

We couldn't even compete with them as a team. We made a ass of ourselves in the national spotlight. I think it was that bad and I don't think I'm overreacting.

As long as the offense looks that inept then there is cause for concern. They had four months to prep and looked like they just found out about the game the previous day.

[b]Matt Ryan is a new player, on a new team with a new head coach and he managed not to make a complete ass of himself during a live NFL game.[/b] You'd think given those circumstances that Campbell and the Skins wouldn't have laid an egg during the game they've prepped 4 months for.[/quote]

Matt Ryan had the benefit of Turner rushing for 220 yards and 2 scores. The TEAM had 318 yards rushing for pete's sake. Washington relied on Campbell, Atlanta did not rely on Ryan at all, as evident with his meezly 13 attempts to 42 rushing attempts. Your comparison makes no sense when presented with the actual facts.

Also, the Giants didn't suck...they dominated the first half...it wasn't until we played some D that they had difficulty in the 2nd half.

OK guys, I'm going to say this one last time, cause apparently we have some pretty ignorant fans here...[b]CAMPBELL IS STARTING A NEW SYSTEM, AND HE IS STARTING IT WITH A HEAD COACH THAT HAS 0 EXPERIENCE AS A HEAD COACH OR AN OC!!!![/b] Holy shit people, give it time. If you expected us to have a great team out of the gates, then it isn't Campbell or Zorn that is sucking...it is YOU that is an idiot.

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[quote=jsarno;473534]Matt Ryan had the benefit of Turner rushing for 220 yards and 2 scores. The TEAM had 318 yards rushing for pete's sake. Washington relied on Campbell, Atlanta did not rely on Ryan at all, as evident with his meezly 13 attempts to 42 rushing attempts. Your comparison makes no sense when presented with the actual facts.

Also, the Giants didn't suck...they dominated the first half...it wasn't until we played some D that they had difficulty in the 2nd half.

OK guys, I'm going to say this one last time, cause apparently we have some pretty ignorant fans here...[B]CAMPBELL IS STARTING A NEW SYSTEM, AND HE IS STARTING IT WITH A HEAD COACH THAT HAS 0 EXPERIENCE AS A HEAD COACH OR AN OC!!!![/B] Holy shit people, give it time. If you expected us to have a great team out of the gates, then it isn't Campbell or Zorn that is sucking...it is YOU that is an idiot.[/quote]

Then why didn't the Lions set out to stop the run and put 8 or 9 guys in the box and let Ryan beat you passing. The Lions Def- Coor- is not a moron. That didn't happen, and the Falcons comparatively looked Super Bowl champions to the performance we gave on THU.

It's not the fact that I want the Skins to dominate it's the fact that I'd like them to compete.

They looked horribly inept on THU. You can give Campbell and Zorn as many rationalizations as you would like. Ryan is working with a lot more obstacles than Campbell is and he managed to pull off a COMPETITIVE performance.

You're giving me reasons why Campbell didn't dominate or win the game but can you give me some as to why he wasn't even competitive?

...Save your caps for someone who dignifies your responses.

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[quote=Paintrain;473345]He didn't remind anyone of Tom Brady, but did he really play like sh*t? Is 56% completion, a TD, an 81.6% QB rating and no turnovers playing like sh*t? He didn't look great but to read the boards you would have thought we had a blind hippo playing QB and he single handedly cost us the game.[/quote]

After a couple days to think about it, maybe JC playing like s*** is an overreaction. He didn't play well, but that could be said for the whole team i think.

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Based on the week 1 JC backlash off of his 15-27, 133, TD, 0 INT performance the internets will be ablaze across the NFL nation with cries of 'BENCH ________' for these Week 1 standouts:

Matt Hasselbeck 17-41, 190, TD, INT-Hail Senaca Wallace!
Marc Bulger 14-26, 158, 0 TD, 0 INT-Free Trent Green!
Carson Palmer 10-25, [b]99[/b], 0 TD, 1 INT-Put in, uh, uh, whoever..
Derek Anderson 11-24, 114, TD, 0 INT-They gave up Charlie Frye for that?

Or maybe other fan bases realize that it's just one week and there are 15 more games to be played..

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[quote=JWsleep;473343]I am already very tired of this stuff.

Here's what's gonna happen. We'll play the season and see what goes down.

[B]Prediction: Skins fans (like most fans) will react as they always do: like fanatics.[/B][/quote]

Bingo. The one thing I get sick of is the notion that all of this "overreaction" is somehow peculiar to Redskins fans.

Please.

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[quote=KWilly_2003;473357]Thank you GMScud. It took two years for Hasselbeck to become a top QB. JC just needs time. And for those who said Zorn lays the blame on the players is not true. He said right off the bat that he wishs he had plays back, and that the clock managment was bad. Hes new to this too people. Football is a little bit harder down on the field then it is in your PS3 people. [B]Gibbs went 0-5 in his first 5 games in 1981, to later finish 8-8......then next year.....hummmm....[/B] [/quote]

Marty Schottenheimer also started 0-5 here, later to finish 8-8.

Then next year ... hummmm ... it was Steve Spurrier. Let's hope Dan Snyder has the same sort of eternal patience some of the fans here have.

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[quote=JWsleep;473343]I am already very tired of this stuff.

Here's what's gonna happen. We'll play the season and see what goes down.

Prediction: Skins fans (like most fans) will react as they always do: like fanatics.[/quote]

I'll see you in four weeks when the bottom drops out.

Til then enjoy your stay in denial.