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[quote=Angry;474990]I will keep this short and sweet.

If I still believed that our role and involvement in Iraq was necessary and we needed a strong Commander in Chief then I would be voting for McCain.

Right now America is in more debt that it ever has been, the value of the dollar is down, and the economy sucks (not to mention the value of my mutual funds). I am voting for Obama to get us out of this mess.

Fact: according to Ali Velshi of CNN "The economy is the strongest with a Democratic president and a Republican Congress"[/quote]

But we're likely to have a Democratic congress, no? So should we then have a Republican President?

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[quote=saden1;475002]There's nothing wrong with being liked by your allies. I'm not saying we should take our cues from them but I am stating the obvious. It helps if the people we're dealing with have confidence in our leadership if you feel otherwise you're a sticks only person. If you still don't get it I recommend you read "[URL="http://www.amazon.com/Habits-Highly-Effective-People/dp/0743269519/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1221144568&sr=8-1"]The Seven Habits of Highly Effective People[/URL]."[/quote]
Well your saying because they like Obama its because they feel they will have covidence in his leadership. It could be just the opposite and they think they can get more stuff over on him then McCain.

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[quote=firstdown;474947]I'm sure all those people overseas has our best interest at heart and not their own. If you have not seen the news Biden admitted that Hillary would have made a better VP and I'm sure Obama loved that statement.

[URL="http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/10/biden-hillary-clinton-might-have-been-a-better-pick-for-vp/"]Biden: Hillary Clinton ‘Might Have Been a Better Pick’ for VP - America’s Election HQ[/URL][/quote]

He actually stud up for her when she got attacked by a woman by praising her and saying she might be more qualified and would have been better choice. You know what McCain did when she got called a "bitch?"

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[quote=jsarno;474958]That's a knock against him if you ask me.

(not saying this is Obama, but the antichrist would be liked by all)[/quote]

Since we've already suffered through 8 years of a President who was hated all around the world, it might not be a bad idea to go in the other direction.

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It never seems to occurr to people that foreigners don't really want America to succeed. It's like asking me who the Cowboys should hire as their HC. I'd say, "Les Steckel!" or "Gerry Faust!" The difference is, of course, that not even Cowboy fans are stupid enough to make the opinion of an oppossing or disinterested party an argument in favor of anyone.

Let's everyone finish these two sentences:

"If Europeans are so good at judging political leaders, then how come..."

and

"The reason that Hamas wants Baraq Obama to be President is..."

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Surprised no one has pulled this out yet...
[img]http://dubyad40.com/images/blogimages/brewster.jpg[/img]

I'm undecided at this point, leaning towards Obama. Even with the banter strewn across the Parking Lot, I really haven't done much research. But it's hard to, being a Registered Republican in a state that is dominated by 2 counties and a independent city. I'll get around to it and make an educated choice. But until then, it'll be swell watching the smear ads, and hearing one call the other a snake in the grass, or whatever banter they throw around.

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[quote=Mattyk72;475004]Covey is good stuff. You ever read anything from Ken Blanchard? I'm a big fan of both.[/quote]

No, never read anything by him. Any particular book recommendation?

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[quote=saden1;475013]No, never read anything by him. Any particular book recommendation?[/quote]

I would start with

[ame="http://www.amazon.com/One-Minute-Manager-Kenneth-Blanchard/dp/0688014291/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1221145512&sr=1-1"]Amazon.com: The One Minute Manager: Kenneth H. Blanchard, Spencer Johnson: Books[/ame]


I recently read this one:

[ame="http://www.amazon.com/Leadership-One-Minute-Manager-Effectiveness/dp/0688039693/ref=pd_sim_b_2"]Amazon.com: Leadership and the One Minute Manager: Increasing Effectiveness Through Situational Leadership: Ken Blanchard, Patricia Zigarmi, Drea Zigarmi: Books[/ame]

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[quote=Mattyk72;474980]I guess it's too much to ask the candidates to stick to the issues when the people clearly cannot.

Everyone hates the propaganda machine but it obviously works when you see people buying in to the stupidest shit.[/quote]

Look at us here. We've got saden posting a bunch of YT clips and equating the Republicans with dirty tampons, Buster implying the whole left is a bunch of flag-burners, jsarno clinging to one minor little clip of Obama during the Pledge of Allegiance and saying who knows what about the antichrist, and so on.

And for the most part we're talking about people here who (even if I don't agree with their political beliefs/opinions) have shown they have pretty good knowledge of the actual issues. (Others here, of course, have shown they should just stick to football). Yet it's like no one even cares anymore about anything but belittling the other side. Hopefully, whoever it is that is elected, the country can rally around the new President and put Country First (couldn't resist :) )

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[quote=70Chip;475010]It never seems to occurr to people that foreigners don't really want America to succeed. It's like asking me who the Cowboys should hire as their HC. I'd say, "Les Steckel!" or "Gerry Faust!" The difference is, of course, that not even Cowboy fans are stupid enough to make the opinion of an oppossing or disinterested party an argument in favor of anyone.

Let's everyone finish these two sentences:

"If Europeans are so good at judging political leaders, then how come..."

and

"The reason that Hamas wants Baraq Obama to be President is..."[/quote]

I have to disagree. People are people no matter the country, and I happen to think most are honest.

If you were following Britain's election for Prime Minister, and you participated in a similar poll, would you vote for who you think is worst?

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;475033]I have to disagree. [B]People are people no matter the country, and I happen to think most are honest.[/B]

If you were following Britain's election for Prime Minister, and you participated in a similar poll, would you vote for who you think is worst?[/quote]


Oh really? Here I was thinking the only people that have America's best interest at heart are Republicans and the Republican party.

Re: If the election was held today
 

[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;475033]I have to disagree. People are people no matter the country, and I happen to think most are honest.

If you were following Britain's election for Prime Minister, and you participated in a similar poll, would you vote for who you think is worst?[/quote]
Britian is a bad choice because they are on our side and they want us to be as successful as they and the only real devide was the war but that was the same here. Now lets use another one like Iran. Would you want them to have a strong leader which is hard for us to deal with or a weak leader who is a push over?

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Let's do France then. BTW the British PM sorta endorsed Obama.

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[quote=firstdown;475042]Britian is a bad choice because they are on our side and they want us to be as successful as they and the only real devide was the war but that was the same here. Now lets use another one like Iran. Would you want them to have a strong leader which is hard for us to deal with or a weak leader who is a push over?[/quote]

I know what you're saying, it just doesn't discredit the poll and/or Obama. Most of the countries polled are our allies, so it's not like our enemies are skewing the poll. In fact, Russia and China were included in the poll (not Iran), and they both prefer Obama over McCain (although the majority voted "No Difference" in Russia).

So basically, all of our allies (the people who have a vested interest in our country) want Obama.

Bottom line, no country polled favored McCain over Obama. Here's the list of countries polled:

Australia, Brazil, Canada, China, Egypt, France, Germany, India, Indonesia, Italy, Kenya, Lebanon, Mexico, Nigeria, Panama, the Philippines, Poland, Russia, Singapore, Turkey, the UAE and the UK.

[url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/10_09_08_ws_us_poll.pdf]Detailed poll results...[/url]

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I hope Bill is right:

[url=http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jHMeKqFP_LzUVeindmXH3n3SkHewD934LQA80]The Associated Press: Bill Clinton predicts Obama will win 'handily'[/url]

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Barack H. Obama

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I think the real question is whether or not all of the Obama supporters actually turn up to vote. I have this idea of all of these college kids being all psyched for Obama and none of them actually putting down the joint long enough to hit the polls. Obama's supporters seem to be a louder, more fervent sort but I'm not sure that is going to translate into a victory. It will definitely be interesting...




EDIT- no insult to Obama supporters, just dealing in stereotypes to make a point. I think if any politician is counting on a "youth movement" to get them elected, they're grasping at straws in this country.

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[quote=12thMan;475104]Barack H. Obama[/quote]

Hey so if he wins

A) Will you be joining his administration full time
B) Can you get him to do a chat with us
C) Should we start addressing you as Secretary of 12thMan

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I believe the polling booth is rigged by Matty because everytime I clicked McCain it switched my vote to Obama.

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[quote=firstdown;475112]I believe the polling booth is rigged by Matty because everytime I clicked McCain it switched my vote to Obama.[/quote]

It's unnatural that McCain even gets that many votes.

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[quote=SmootSmack;475111]Hey so if he wins

A) Will you be joining his administration full time
B) Can you get him to do a chat with us
C) Should we start addressing you as Secretary of 12thMan[/quote]

A) Is well underway. Hours suck though.
B) Obama is really a closet Redskins fan. He especially envies Clinton Portis' cool pressers. So a Warpath chat is likely
C) Naw, you guys can keep calling me 12th. Everybody except 70Chip, of course.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;475107]I think the real question is whether or not all of the Obama supporters actually turn up to vote. I have this idea of all of these college kids being all psyched for Obama and none of them actually putting down the joint long enough to hit the polls. Obama's supporters seem to be a louder, more fervent sort but I'm not sure that is going to translate into a victory. It will definitely be interesting...




EDIT- no insult to Obama supporters, just dealing in stereotypes to make a point. I think if any politician is counting on a "youth movement" to get them elected, they're grasping at straws in this country.[/quote]

It's a good question and I really hope that young voters get out there and vote. Clinton the first time around did a great job at capturing the young vote and it paid off at the polls. I see a lot of similarities between '92 and today.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;475107]I think the real question is whether or not all of the Obama supporters actually turn up to vote. I have this idea of all of these college kids being all psyched for Obama and none of them actually putting down the joint long enough to hit the polls. Obama's supporters seem to be a louder, more fervent sort but I'm not sure that is going to translate into a victory. It will definitely be interesting...




EDIT- no insult to Obama supporters, just dealing in stereotypes to make a point. I think if any politician is counting on a "youth movement" to get them elected, they're grasping at straws in this country.[/quote]

Turn out has always been a problem. I mean there are ~72 million registered Democrats and ~55 million registered Republicans and ~42 million independents registered. It's always about turn out which is why you'll never see Republicans agree to moving election day to a weekend instead of the first Tuesday of November.

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I don't think there's any reason to believe that voters on either side won't turn out. The electorate has never been more energized. The Dems had record turnouts in nearly every Primary contest, and I think it will continue during the General.

I must say, Palin has energized the GOP base in a way that no one -- and I mean no one could have possibly imagined. And I think they will see a record turnout on their side as well.

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[quote=12thMan;475122]I don't think there's any reason to believe that voters on either side won't turn out. The electorate has never been more energized. The Dems had record turnouts in nearly every Primary contest, and I think it will continue during the General.

I must say, Palin has energized the GOP base in a way that no one -- and I mean no one could have possibly imagined. And I think they will see a record turnout on their side as well.[/quote]

i don't know man, humans are a pathetically lazy and apathetic species on average. It's one thing to get juiced up for a convention or a speech or whatever other social event, not so much for the solitary drive down to the local voting station. Now if we ever get our shit together and institute online voting, then you'll see much improved turnout.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;475123]i don't know man, humans are a pathetically lazy and apathetic species on average. It's one thing to get juiced up for a convention or a speech or whatever other social event, not so much for the solitary drive down to the local voting station. Now if we ever get our shit together and institute online voting, then you'll see much improved turnout.[/quote]

You're right, dude. But there's something about this year -- disagree with the candidates all you want, but people are engaged and eager to vote. Both sides are stepping up their ground efforts to get people to the polls. It's going to be crazy on Nov. 4th.

I would like to see us go to a system similiar to that of Oregon. After this election, I think we're going to see some changes in that direction.

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[quote=12thMan;475122]I don't think there's any reason to believe that voters on either side won't turn out. The electorate has never been more energized. [B]The Dems had record turnouts in nearly every Primary contest, and I think it will continue during the General.[/B]

I must say, Palin has energized the GOP base in a way that no one -- and I mean no one could have possibly imagined. And I think they will see a record turnout on their side as well.[/quote]

I agree, I think the primary was a preview of what's going to happen in November, and don't forget about how the Dems swept the 2006 general elections, I think that was quite the statement as well. But until November rolls around I'm cautiously optimistic.

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[quote=Mattyk72;475117]It's a good question and I really hope that young voters get out there and vote. Clinton the first time around did a great job at capturing the young vote and it paid off at the polls. I see a lot of similarities between '92 and today.[/quote]
I heard this on Fox radio yesterday, don't remember the source. Of new voters, those registered within the last 2 years were split 47% Obama / 44% McCain. I would've expected a bigger advantage to Obama here. Normally new voters are younger and lean more Dem. (They usually wisen up once they get decent paying jobs and look at their taxes) :)

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[quote=saden1;475040]Oh really? Here I was thinking the only people that have America's best interest at heart are Republicans and the Republican party.[/quote]
Funny, I was thinking the same thing. :silly:

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;475134]Normally new voters are younger and lean more Dem. (They usually wisen up once they get decent paying jobs and look at their taxes) :)[/quote]

Most decent paying jobs are under 100 grand, and Obama is lowering taxes for most Americans. More than McCain. Obama is raising taxes for the super rich, over 600k.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/06/09/ST2008060900950.html]Obama and McCain Tax Proposals - washingtonpost.com[/url]

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;475123]Now if we ever get our shit together and institute online voting, then you'll see much improved turnout.[/quote]It's hard to believe this could ever get passed because the Republicans would be so opposed to it.

And yes, if online voting got passed, I would totally take advantage of it, but it would be a huge disadvantage for the Republicans, and there's that part of me that still thinks that people too lazy to get to a polling place during voting hours probably shouldn't be allowed to have a vote counted.

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[quote=saden1;475114]It's unnatural that McCain even gets that many votes.[/quote]

I'm actually happy to see as many votes as there is for McCain. We all know the DC area is mainly dems...so mccain to be making this good a showing, that's a good sign for the election. (of course I understand this is a world wide website, but we all know the majority of people live in or around the DC area.)

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[quote=firstdown;474799]I'm voting against Saden.[/quote]
Not to worry First, I took the bullet for you and "canceled out" Saden.

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You can't cancel out a baller, you can only hope to contain him.

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[quote=12thMan;475116]A) Is well underway. Hours suck though.
B) Obama is really a closet Redskins fan. He especially envies Clinton Portis' cool pressers. So a Warpath chat is likely
C) Naw, you guys can keep calling me 12th. Everybody except 70Chip, of course.[/quote]


What do I call you?

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[quote=SmootSmack;475006]But we're likely to have a Democratic congress, no? So should we then have a Republican President?[/quote]

Statistically a Dem pres is always best for the economy. I just threw that out ther so that you guys know what to do during the elections 2 years from now, (Put some Reps. in Congress!) But you are correct in your thinking. You want a Dem Congress if you have a Rep President.

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In no way am I claiming that this information is mine or that I know the original sender. My mother forewarded this to me earlier today and I believe that it provides a simple explanation on each candidates views. Of coarse you have to dig deeper into each issue to get a full understaning of why each candidate supports or opposes a certain issue. Some issues are not as simple as yes or no answers, but this email makes is seem like there are.


[QUOTE]"This is a good summary of our candidates' views.


This came to me from a lengthy list of emails. Please pass it along to anyone you think may be interested in our future.

2008 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE COMPARISON TALKING POINTS
ISSUE JOHN McCAIN
BARAK OBAMA

Favors new drilling offshore US
Yes
No

Will appoint judges who interpret the law not make it
Yes
No


Served in the US Armed Forces
Yes
No

Amount of time served in the US Senate
22 YEARS
173 DAYS

Will institute a socialized national health care plan
No
Yes

Supports abortion throughout the pregnancy
No
Yes

Would pull troops out of Iraq immediately
No
Yes

Supports gun ownership rights
Yes
No

Supports homosexual marriage
No
Yes

Proposed programs will mean a huge tax increase
No
Yes

Voted against making English the official language
No
Yes

Voted to give Social Security benefits to illegals
No
Yes

CAPITAL GAINS TAX

MCCAIN
0% on home sales up to $500,000 per home (couples). McCain does not propose any change in existing home sales income tax.

OBAMA
28% on profit from ALL home sales. (How does this affect you? If you sell your home and make a profit, you will pay 28% of your gain on taxes. If you are heading toward retirement and would like to down-size your home or move into a retirement community, 28% of the money you make from your home will go to taxes. This proposal will adversely affect the elderly who are counting on the income from their homes as part of their retirement income.)

DIVIDEND TAX

MCCAIN
15% (no change)

OBAMA
39.6% - (How will this affect you? If you have any money invested in stock market, IRA, mutual funds, college funds, life insurance, retirement accounts, or anything that pays or reinvests dividends, you will now be paying nearly 40% of the money earned on taxes if Obama becomes president. The experts predict that 'Higher tax rates on dividends and capital gains would crash the stock market, yet do absolutely nothing to cut the deficit.')

INCOME TAX

MCCAIN
(no changes)
Single making 30K - tax $4,500
Single making 50K - tax $12,500
Single making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 60K- tax $9,000
Married making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 125K - tax $31,250

OBAMA (reversion to pre-Bush tax cuts)
Single making 30K - tax $8,400
Single making 50K - tax $14,000
Single making 75K - tax $23,250
Married making 60K - tax $16,800
Married making 75K - tax $21,000
Married making 125K - tax $38,750
Under Obama, your taxes could almost double!

INHERITANCE TAX

MCCAIN
- 0% (No change, Bush repealed this tax)

OBAMA
Restore the inheritance tax

Many families have lost businesses, farms, ranches, and homes that have been in their families for generations because they could not afford the inheritance tax. Those willing their assets to loved ones will only lose them to these taxes.

NEW TAXES PROPOSED BY OBAMA

New government taxes proposed on homes that are more than 2400 square feet. New gasoline taxes (as if gas weren't high enough already) New taxes on natural resources consumption (heating gas, water, electricity) New taxes on retirement accounts, and last but not least....New taxes to pay for socialized medicine so we can receive the same level of medical care as other third-world countries!!!







You can verify the above at the following web sites:


[url=http://money.cnn.com/news/specials/election/2008/index.html]Election 2008: The candidates and your money - CNNMoney[/url]

[url=http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/issues/issues.taxes.html]Taxes: Election Center 2008 - CNN.com[/url]

[url=http://elections.foxnews.com/?s=proposed+taxes]RAW DATA: Fred Thompson’s Remarks at GOP Convention - America’s Election HQ[/url]

[url=http://bulletin.aarp.org/yourworld/politics/articles/mccain_obama_offer_different_visions_on_taxes.html]McCain, Obama Offer Different Visions on Taxes[/url]

[url=http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/candidates/barack_obama/]Fact Checker Archive by Category[/url]

[url=http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/candidates/john_mccain/]Fact Checker Archive by Category[/url]



Bob Beauprez
Catch all the latest in policy and politics at A Line of Sight www.bobbeauprez.com" [/QUOTE]

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They lost me at:

[quote][B]Will appoint judges who interpret the law not make it[/B]
Yes
No
[/quote]

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[quote=saden1;475282]They lost me at:[/quote]

Like I said, I didn't write it nor do I know the original sender. If you will look you will notice that McCain's answers are on top and Obamma's are on bottom.

I dont fully understand the Judge thing either, nor do I really care. Correct me if I should.

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[quote=Schneed10;474875]McCain.

- Obama's healthcare plan, while noble, has no chance of getting put in place. Sometimes reality has to trump vision.

- Obama's platform for bringing the troops home from Iraq now is kind of losing steam, given that Bush and Petraeus have started setting the stage for pulling troops out.

- I'd rather have McCain in charge of our military than Obama.

- I'm in danger of getting hit by the alternative minimum tax sometime within this upcoming presidential term, and McCain is the only one suggesting we do away with it. That will mean a difference of several thousand bucks a year for me and my family. And yes, at least a portion of everyone's vote is selfish!

- Alternative energy is great and should be pursued, but I see no reason why we shouldn't use our own petroleum resources immediately. Drilling now makes sense, in conjunction with the search for other energy sources. It's not like drilling precludes us from also investing in other sources.

- McCain's economic and tax ideas make more sense. History shows tax revenue collected by the federal government is generally higher when policies similar to McCain's are put in place.

- Obama wants to stop jobs from being shifted overseas, yet he wants to raise taxes on businesses. Um, hello. The reason companies ship the jobs overseas in the first place is because the labor costs are way cheaper. If you increase taxes on them here in this country you're just adding more weight to that burden. You're actually incenting them to headquarter themselves elsewhere.[/quote]

Basically my feelings in a nutshell as well.

I'm no fan of McCain and I have my issues with him. My vote for him, however, is more a case of "choosing the lesser of two evils." Which is what I did last election. And the one before that. In fact I can't remember a candidate that I truly, genuinely supported as much as I just didn't like the other guy.

I guess I vote out of spite ;)