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Here's the kick in the nuts. If this guy doesn't have a big turnaround and soon, he'll get cut, we will end up with a journeyman type (in all likelihood inferior to Frost), and we will have wasted a 6th round pick. Maybe this is why most teams don't draft punters.

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he will turn around...how many bad games did frost have? a ton. Keep the faith and the patience

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Where was this support for Frost back in the preseason? Even when he was outkicking Brooks all we heard was Frost still needed to be cut.

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[quote=That Guy;476938]if by frost turned the corner, you mean, he just gave up a safety as he let a ball that hit him in the hands bounce out of the endzone....[/quote]

Yes, he did give up a safety. He also averages 10 net yds more than Brooks and is the holder that Suisham prefers. Brooks may come around, I seem to recall a certain Chip Lohmiller who never really did...

Honestly, I'd MUCH rather have an argument about the punter than the qb.

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[quote=Mattyk72;476968]Where was this support for Frost back in the preseason? Even when he was outkicking Brooks all we heard was Frost still needed to be cut.[/quote]
You did not here that from me and I thought we should have kept Frost. Brooks will be OK its just fustrating when we had a decent punter and we let him go for some guy who is unproven.

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[quote=firstdown;476988]You did not here that from me and I thought we should have kept Frost. Brooks will be OK its just fustrating when we had a decent punter and we let him go for some guy who is unproven.[/quote]

Not saying it was you but it just seems strange that all of a sudden there's all this support for Frost. Hindsight sure is a bitch.

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Whil I did not agree with letting Frost go brooks will be OK. I think he is just a little nerv problem and is trying too hard. Punting in the NFL is no harder then college so he should be fine. One question though. Was he the holder in college and if not why would we have him holding instead of a backup QB?

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[quote=Mattyk72;476968]Where was this support for Frost back in the preseason? Even when he was outkicking Brooks all we heard was Frost still needed to be cut.[/quote]


So true! Everyone cries for change and when it doesn't work they start crying for the old guy. So funny.

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Frost had a snap go right through his hands and out of the endzone resulting in a safety yesterday. I think either way we were screwed.

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[quote=GMScud;477015]Frost had a snap go right through his hands and out of the endzone resulting in a safety yesterday. I think either way we were screwed.[/quote]


2 Points versus 10. hhhhhhhmmmmmm.......

Yeah I will stick with the rookie because there is room for development.

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Dude if frost was here he wouldve completely speared reggie bush on that return and ripped off his helmet screaming like an animal. Probably wouldve landed bush on IR and he wouldve scooped up the ball and thrown 17 stiff arms while moon walking 80yds to the end zone effectively killing 8minutes of game clock while the saints try in vain to tackle him. All this helmetless.

Then in celebration he would bareback bang the entire cheerleading squad on the sidelines as the saints stared effeminately at his magnificent junk.

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[quote=firstdown;476997]Whil I did not agree with letting Frost go brooks will be OK. I think he is just a little nerv problem and is trying too hard. [B]Punting in the NFL is no harder then college so he should be fine[/B]. One question though. Was he the holder in college and if not why would we have him holding instead of a backup QB?[/quote]

Why do so many college punters not make the transition to the NFL then?

It's a different ball, it's not quite the same.

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Didn't Frost out punt Brooks in the pre season? If that's the case why isn't he still our punter? Brooks was simply terrible yesterday. I know the guy's a draft pick in all but still.

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Really, 2 points versus 3.

If you watched the hang time counter they had up on the Bush return, it was almost 5 seconds. *IF* it was Brooks' fault, it was because he was supposed to punt directionally (and didn't) and the coverage was cheating to the side he was supposed to kick to.

I haven't heard anything about whether that was Brooks' fault, though. The hang time on that punt was good and the coverage was AWFUL. They got sealed off from the hash over to the sideline. That punt with that coverage could have been returned for a touchdown by most returners in the NFL.

The blocking on punt returns has also been AWFUL. ARE hasn't been stellar, but then again he has had little to work with.

For those arguing that Frost "outkicked" Brooks in the preseason, look at the net and not the actual yardage of the kicks. Brooks' net was longer and his actual kicks were shorter on average. This was because he put his punts up higher and didn't outkick coverage. That's something frost did with regularity. Lots of shanks, lots of outkicked coverages.

Seriously, we play one of the most dangerous returners in the NFL and the rook drops a hold and Frost is suddenly jumping Jesus on a pogo stick.

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The punt coverage really was the main problem on the Bush return. I think it may have been the ballhawk Horton that I noticed got sealed off inside and didn't stick with his lane.

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Brooks Has Been A Major Disapointment.

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[quote=Mattyk72;477101]The punt coverage really was the main problem on the Bush return. I think it may have been the ballhawk Horton that I noticed got sealed off inside and didn't stick with his lane.[/quote]

I don't know Matt...I had a nice view of that punt from good old section 419and it was very low...a total line drive. The coverage didn't have a chance to get down the field by the time Bush had the ball. But when i watch the TV copy later I will take a look at Horton on that play.

Anyway, I already said earlier in the thread that I wanted Brooks to get the job so I am not bailing on him. He will eventually improve. And the fans at the game need to stop booing that kid...it is not helping him get better.

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[quote=celts32;477212]I don't know Matt...I had a nice view of that punt from good old section 419and it was very low...a total line drive. The coverage didn't have a chance to get down the field by the time Bush had the ball. But when i watch the TV copy later I will take a look at Horton on that play.

Anyway, I already said earlier in the thread that I wanted Brooks to get the job so I am not bailing on him. He will eventually improve. And the fans at the game need to stop booing that kid...it is not helping him get better.[/quote]

The TV angle is pretty good, there was simply no outside contain and Bush bounced to the outside and took advantage of it.

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[quote=Mattyk72;477216]The TV angle is pretty good, there was simply no outside contain and Bush bounced to the outside and took advantage of it.[/quote]

I saw that there was no outside contain...but when the punt comes out that low it f's everything up. I guess we can agree that there was plenty of screwing up to go around on that play!

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B-Mitch put it all on Brooks, saying the coverage team had no shot if it's a low, short line drive like that..

Brooks has been a disappointment for 2 games, Frost was a disappointment for 4 years! Does anyone think the light bulb was magically going to come on this year? Sir Shank-a-lot was good for a 46 yard punt when you were near mid-field in a 7-0 game, but he was really great at shanking a 27 yarder in the 4th quarter when we needed to pin our opponent deep.

I'm fine with some growing pains with Brooks if he makes the transition over the long haul.

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[quote=Paintrain;477236]B-Mitch put it all on Brooks, saying the coverage team had no shot if it's a low, short line drive like that..

Brooks has been a disappointment for 2 games, Frost was a disappointment for 4 years! Does anyone think the light bulb was magically going to come on this year? Sir Shank-a-lot was good for a 46 yard punt when you were near mid-field in a 7-0 game, but he was really great at shanking a 27 yarder in the 4th quarter when we needed to pin our opponent deep.

I'm fine with some growing pains with Brooks if he makes the transition over the long haul.[/quote]

Absolutely...and I know it's a PK and not a punter but does anyone remember when the skins pulled the plug on David Akers over a couple bad kicks?

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[quote=celts32;477238]Absolutely...and I know it's a PK and not a punter but does anyone remember when the skins pulled the plug on David Akers over a couple bad kicks?[/quote]

Yeah, that decision didn't come back to screw us for the past 10 years did it?!?!?

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[quote=Mattyk72;476968]Where was this support for Frost back in the preseason? Even when he was outkicking Brooks all we heard was Frost still needed to be cut.[/quote]
I supported Frost all through preseason. I even voted for him on the Punter competition poll.

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[quote=That Guy;476938]if by frost turned the corner, you mean, he just gave up a safety as he let a ball that hit him in the hands bounce out of the endzone....[/quote]
Giving up a safety is trivial compared to giving up ten points. Frost might not have been the greatest punter for us but I can never remember a time when he cost us ten points.

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[quote=EternalEnigma21;476713]This from a guy who has chosen to have his Permanent username reflect negativity towards a player. IF there was an ass hat of the year award you just won it dbag.[/quote]

That is irony at it's greatest, a dude who's name is dissing a player telling everyone we need to love and show these guys support.

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[quote=Mattyk72;477101]The punt coverage really was the main problem on the Bush return. I think it may have been the ballhawk Horton that I noticed got sealed off inside and didn't stick with his lane.[/quote]

The punt was a line drive to Bush. They had no chance to even get down the field. Reggie was able to field the punt and had enough time and distance to find holes. They weren't at fault on a shanked punt.

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A line drive punt doesn't excuse crappy coverage.

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I still don't know why we deploy a punter to hold for field goals. It doesn't seem right. I mean, what if you want to try for a fake field goal. To me, it seems you would have better success with a back-up qb than someone who punts the football. It's also another way to get your back-up qb in the game, and experience real-time game situations.

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[quote=4mrusmc;477632]I still don't know why we deploy a punter to hold for field goals. It doesn't seem right. I mean, what if you want to try for a fake field goal. To me, it seems you would have better success with a back-up qb than someone who punts the football. It's also another way to get your back-up qb in the game, and experience real-time game situations.[/quote]


because in practice and training camp when the offense is running you want your backup running the backup offense or watching and participating with the offense, not working on special teams. I don't see why this is so hard for everyone to understand. A kicker needs to practice too. A kicker needs a holder. Why pull a guy who's one injury away from LEADING the offense, and practically the team, away from learning the offense to hold for the freaking kicker...

Its much smarter that special teams guys practice as much as they can together, especially in this age of the specialists.

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[quote=firstdown;476758]The point is that Frost out kick him in preseason but some how Brooks won the jod, Thats my problem, and Frost has goten better each season.[/quote]

yeah i agree with you that frost, with some real 60 yard boomers, did outperform brooks this preseason. with that being said i wanted and still want brooks over frost. the kid will and should turn out solid.

frost did have a legit grip when he left but he had plenty of time to show what he had and shouldnt have waited until we draft some competition for him before he starts to punt well. the writing was on the wall for me when zorn said the punters will be judged on what they did in the preseason and [B]in years past[/B]. sorry frost, you stepping up in preseason when death is on the line doesnt cut it for us.

go skins!

ps - real good debate topic of whom should hold: the punter or backup qb. i guess it comes down to who does it the best but id prefer the backup qb if they are dead even.

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Hope I don't eat my words, but I full anticipate Brooks booming the hell out of the ball this week.

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[quote=EternalEnigma21;477645]because in practice and training camp when the offense is running you want your backup running the backup offense or watching and participating with the offense, not working on special teams. I don't see why this is so hard for everyone to understand. A kicker needs to practice too. A kicker needs a holder. Why pull a guy who's one injury away from LEADING the offense, and practically the team, away from learning the offense to hold for the freaking kicker...

Its much smarter that special teams guys practice as much as they can together, especially in this age of the specialists.[/quote]

how did tony romo manage to start and hold ??????????????? hmmmmmmm???????

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we could have colt brennan exclusively learn to hold the ball and he cvould do it, and like someone said, then, we really could use a trck play and maybe get a TD on a fake fg.

brennan should be holding the ball imo

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[quote=4thGenRedskin21;478124]we could have colt brennan exclusively learn to hold the ball and he cvould do it, and like someone said, then, we really could use a trck play and maybe get a TD on a fake fg.

brennan should be holding the ball imo[/quote]
I'm pretty sure as Emergency QB, Brennan can only come in if the 1st two QBs are injured, or in the 4th quarter...

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[quote=4thGenRedskin21;478122]how did tony romo manage to start and hold ??????????????? hmmmmmmm???????[/quote]

I never said everyone does it, i just explained the logic that seemed to evade a few people, but thanks for your insightful comment. :)

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Great, great punt by Brooks before the half. Let's see more of that!

Also, anybody see why Zorn got on Brooks after the long FG miss? Looked like a pretty good placement by Brooks on TV.

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zorn really chewed his ass out did'nt he? i thought the missed kick was all suisiam.

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Zorn was mad because Brooks messed up the timing of the kick by calling for the snap before the ref had put the ball in play, or something to that effect

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wonder if zorn will bring in a couple of free agent punters this week?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;479284]Zorn was mad because Brooks messed up the timing of the kick by calling for the snap before the ref had put the ball in play, or something to that effect[/quote]

Oh...that makes sense. It looked like Suisham had a false start before that kick...I was wondering what that was.