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[quote=ChillWill;476590]How did this not get addressed in the Offseason and preseason. ARE is getting worse at this. Did we have anyone attempt this in the preseason? Not only are we not gaining any yards but now he looks like a liability. Come on Danny Smith. What about Rock Cartwright?[/quote]

i would put rock back there he runs hard without running into his own teammates...
ARE stunk it up pretty much all day long and that fumble didn,t help any either.

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[quote=firstdown;476924]Returning kicks v/s punts is two different things and maybe rock has problems fielding punts. ARE while I agree dances arund way too much he usually holds on to the ball so I say leave him back there until we have someone better. Do we want to risk having a guy who might get a few extra yards but might cough up the ball more than ARE?[/quote]

we have thrash, he's proven he can do it.

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Marcus Mason!....oh, wait

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I think we should send 11 men after the block one every punt. PR problem solved.

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How about COOLEY!!!!!!

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how about malcom kelly making his first catch.. that was nice

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[quote=doughtydoubter;477003]how about malcom kelly making his first catch.. that was nice[/quote]


Yay, now all of our 2nd round draft picks have made a contribution to the team. Maybe next wee we can pull them off of the "bust" bus.

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Thrash or Malcom Kelly should get a shot.

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[quote=70Chip;476950]I think we should send 11 men after the block one every punt. PR problem solved.[/quote]

Not a bad idea. Besides, they can only block 10 of them even if everyone makes a solid block.

Our punt block team should be:

Taylor
Fletcher
Carter
McIntosh
Sellers
Landry
Horton
F. Davis
Cartwright
Thrash
L. Alexander


:)

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[quote=Buster;477060]Not a bad idea. Besides, they can only block 10 of them even if everyone makes a solid block.

Our punt block team should be:

Taylor
Fletcher
Carter
McIntosh
Sellers
Landry
Horton
F. Davis
Cartwright
Thrash
L. Alexander


:)[/quote]

Meanwhile, the punter lofts an easy pass to the gunner for a touchdown. Of coarse I recognized the sarcasm.

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Punt returning has to be the toughest position on the field when it comes to success. You catch the ball and are a sitting duck for 10 guys going on a headhunting mission for you. Sometimes you have less than a second before getting hit.

I still think we should give someone else a chance to avoid letting our #2 WR be a target...but Randel El is not a horrible returner. That fumble yesterday was, but he can make big plays too. I don't want Moss back there. It should be someone who we can afford to lose without disrupting our offense. Thrash or Malcolm Kelly would be best.

Check out the averages from last season. Tops in the NFL was 15.4 yards and that's only because the Bills took a lot of them to the house. Most teams would love to have a 10 yard/return average.

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/stats/byteam?group=Special&cat=Returns&conference=NFL&year=season_2007&sort=320&old_category=Returns&old_group=Special]NFL - Statistics by Team - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

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[quote=Angry;477064]Meanwhile, the punter lofts an easy pass to the gunner for a touchdown. Of coarse I recognized the sarcasm.[/quote]

If someone has a punter who can do that, we need to trade for him. :)

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;476584]I know they are rookies but how about Tryon or Thomas?[/quote]

I really think they should give D. Thomas a shot, ARE always runs sideways like the silly crap reggie bush does I hate that little bastard. But yeah I've had it with ARE's returns.

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d thomas was terrible doing returns in preseason. thrash or betts might be better options, or maybe a rookie db, but tryon is the only one with speed, and that's a wasted active spot on sundays... hamilton maybe? he's a 4.5 guy...

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Thomas returned kicks in college but not punts. I don't think we need to risk our WRs any more than we have to. Zorn mentioned the possibility of working some other guys in on punt returns, but he also said he hasn't given up on ARE.

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Also, perhaps most importantly, ARE sucks at PRs in Madden.

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landry needs to be out there like darrell green was on the cover team. the only other redskin that may be faster is portis,and he sure as hell ain't gonna be out there.
he's the"angle"on defense,maybe he should be the angle on the punt team too.

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Anyone else not wild about that "Angel" nickname Blache apparently bestowed upon LL? Sounds a little fay to me...

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I am down on ARE also...but you guys who want to throw a rookie back there are crazy. If you bench ARE then it has to be Thrash for the rest of this season and we can address a perminent replacement in the off season. I know ARE dropped one yesterday but aside from yesterday he has not been a fumbler back there and that is the most important thing. Thrash is the only other guy on the team that I trust will safely field ALL the punts.

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Devin Thomas should return, the only way he will get better is through game time experience, if a vet is going fumble or gain no yards then why not try a rookie what do we have to loose

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;477214]Devin Thomas should return, the only way he will get better is through game time experience, if a vet is going fumble or gain no yards then why not try a rookie what do we have to loose[/quote]
You say that as if ARE fumbles them all. Did Devon Thomas return punts in College?

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I just read where Zorn said he is considering changing punt returners. He mentioned Moss and Thrash as possible replacements.

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[quote=celts32;477217]You say that as if ARE fumbles them all. Did Devon Thomas return punts in College?[/quote]

No, only kickoffs and Zorn said he is not an option at PR.

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[quote=53Fan;477231]I just read where Zorn said he is considering changing punt returners. He mentioned Moss and Thrash as possible replacements.[/quote]
We cannot afford for Moss to be back returning punts unless we use him like Darrell Green was used.

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I really hope we don't put Moss back there to return punts... I would like to see Thrash do the honors. He knows how to run forward, Randle El looks like he's trying to go in every single direction at once.

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ARE tries too much, he's been watching too many Devin Hester clips. LOL.

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Ok this may sound like a knee jerk from yesterday, but what about Horton? He looked good catching the tipped up balls, and he seems to have a certain savvy, plus it gets him on the field more!!

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;477303]Ok this may sound like a knee jerk from yesterday, but what about Horton? He looked good catching the tipped up balls, and he seems to have a certain savvy, plus it gets him on the field more!![/quote]

Yes, it is knee jerk. Catching a punt is not as easy as it looks and Horton isn't a returner (or wr or rb or OL). Thrash won't break a big return but he's consistent. ARE has always been a boom or bust returner and now that it is mostly bust he needs to focus on offense solely.

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[quote=rypper11;477305]Yes, it is knee jerk. Catching a punt is not as easy as it looks and Horton isn't a returner (or wr or rb or OL). Thrash won't break a big return but he's consistent. ARE has always been a boom or bust returner and now that it is mostly bust he needs to focus on offense solely.[/quote]

I certainly didn't say catching a punt is easy, my main point was that he seems to be able to see the ball in space, all three turnovers required what I think a punt returner needs, mainly an awareness of the ball and taking it in. I was impressed with his pickup of the fumble, you could tell he was watching the ball the whole way and still knew the field, and the two pop ups again required the type of focus that a punt returner needs. He is a safety which requires a whole field awareness. I know he is not the first option,(or 2nd or 3rd) but Certainly you don't want your main receiving threat in Moss as a primary punt returner, and other than Thrash (who would be my first choice) I don't see any other player standing out for it.

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[quote=Cowell;477243]I really hope we don't put Moss back there to return punts... I would like to see Thrash do the honors. He knows how to run forward, Randle El looks like he's trying to go in every single direction at once.[/quote]

I guess we can forget about Thrash, he's in a boot.

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What do you need for someone to have a big return?
Thrash returned only 2 punts last year and one was about 70 yards. (He had 71 yards in 2 punt returns.)

[quote=rypper11;477305]Yes, it is knee jerk. Catching a punt is not as easy as it looks and Horton isn't a returner (or wr or rb or OL). Thrash won't break a big return but he's consistent. ARE has always been a boom or bust returner and now that it is mostly bust he needs to focus on offense solely.[/quote]

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hamilton's able to return punts.

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ARE is terrible at punt returns. Overall he has been a disappointing signing by the Skins as he really hasnt done much since he got here.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;477200]Also, perhaps most importantly, ARE sucks at PRs in Madden.[/quote]

Absolutely. If the defenders are close to hitting him when he catches the punt and he doesn't get to take a few strides, he'll fumble as soon as he gets hit. I either bail out or field it and hit the "dive" button right away so the other team won't scoop up the ball and take it back for a TD.

It happens almost every time. If the defenders get blocked decently, he can field it and get maybe 10 yards, but that's not often.

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that would have been the perfect position for mason if we had not cut him.but moss sure as hell does'nt need to be doing it unless it's ocassionally.i alwayd knew when gibbs put darrell green returning punts,he was going for the TKO,and a lot of times it worked great.

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[quote=Mattyk72;476935]ARE's punt return numbers have been in the toilet since he got here. But I will say I think he's developed into a pretty decent receiving option. He's got 11 catches on the year.[/quote]

I agree. They need to get Randle El's hands on the ball more on offense. If he's utilized correctly, and if he can keep up his production as a wideout, he, along with Moss, Cooley, and Portis form an arsenal of weapons that defenses just won't be able to answer.

Since our offense has seemingly been in a constant state of flux, even during the Gibbs years, I don't think we've seen anything close to his potential as a crucial part of this offense.