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I am neither condoning or defending JLC's actions. It is what it is. Also, people are jumping into conclusions without knowing the full story.

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[quote=saden1;479867]Also, people are jumping into conclusions without knowing the full story.[/quote]

That's true. However, JLC supposedly refused to comment on VC's accusation, saying that he needs to talk with his editors first. So, while we don't have the full story, it sounds like there is indeed something to what VC reported this morning.

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[quote=saden1;479859]I don't really care what JLC does and what he does shouldn't be relevant at all. I find the Redskins potentially putting themselves in a position to be at the mercy of a sports writer more bothersome.[/quote]

Vinny did'nt do anything wrong. They are'nt at the mercy of JLC or any other sports writer. It just seems screwed up that a so-called professional would try to get a team in trouble because he does'nt like the FO.

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[quote=Paintrain;479578]On Vinny's show this morning VC said that JLC called the NFL and requested the Redskins be sanctioned for tampering because VC and Schefter discussed the Lane Kiffin situation last Friday.

There's an axe to grind and there's trying to hurt the franchise. It'll be interesting to see what JLC says in Insider to respond.[/quote]



Jason is a conniving SOB and should be banned from covering the Redskins. It's obvious he has an ax to grind with Washington Redskins because of whatever bias he has towards the team.

Do you think the WP will recall him and assign another reporter to cover the Skins? I don't think that will happen.

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[quote=tripod123;479900]Jason is a conniving SOB and should be banned from covering the Redskins. It's obvious he has an ax to grind with Washington Redskins because of whatever bias he has towards the team.

Do you think the WP will recall him and assign another reporter to cover the Skins? I don't think that will happen.[/quote]

As mentioned before I think certain fractions of the Post encourage this sort of behavior so if anything JLC will probably get off with a warning.

I honestly don't believe that the Skins hate the entire Post rather they're not to fond of the Boren, Jenkins, JLC brigade. If I remember correctly Cerrato did an interview this past summer with either Wise or Boswell (another great Post reporter that I forgot to give credit to).

Maybe I'm wrong but I have not seem this type of animosity from Reid and if anything I feel like he should be given full control over the Insider column.

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I think that JLC is a trader, that loves seeing our team fail. Get him out of there and let someone else do what he does. We have all critized the Redskins, but most of us are happy when our team wins. JLC picks apart every move that the Skins make. He is a jerk.

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[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/09/a_note_from_the_sports_editor.html]A Note from the Sports Editor - Redskins Insider[/url]

What the editor says, well JLC still snitched. Snitches get stitches...

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From the above article:
[The Washington Post] called the league today to confirm that Jason had not charged the Redskins with tampering. [B]Here's what NFL spokesman Michael Signora had to say: "Jason LaCanfora called our office and said that Vinny Cerrato was talking in specifics on his radio show about the Raiders' coaching position. Jason wanted to know if that could possibly be a tampering issue.[/B] Jason has been told that there is no general prohibition against publicly talking about another team's players or staff. It routinely occurs throughout the league."

That sure sounds like someone trying to cause an issue to me, and not a reporter doing an investigation. And the league's response was just as telling.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;480044]From the above article:
[The Washington Post] called the league today to confirm that Jason had not charged the Redskins with tampering. [B]Here's what NFL spokesman Michael Signora had to say: "Jason LaCanfora called our office and said that Vinny Cerrato was talking in specifics on his radio show about the Raiders' coaching position. Jason wanted to know if that could possibly be a tampering issue.[/B] Jason has been told that there is no general prohibition against publicly talking about another team's players or staff. It routinely occurs throughout the league."

That sure sounds like someone trying to cause an issue to me, and not a reporter doing an investigation. And the league's response was just as telling.[/quote]
I agree.

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JLC has lost his credibility, and unless they take some action against him, as far as I'm concerned, The Washington Post has lost theirs too.

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What a bitch!!!! JLC that is.

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first, bill polian (colts GM) has had a 1 hour weekly show, so the GM/radio thing isn't ground breaking or new, second, can't they BOTH stop acting like they're five years old. dragging this out on air isn't all that much better than the initial phone call, though i don't really have details (or care) about either.

and absolutely do not put JLC on the caps. el-bashir does a great job and that world is drama free from a beat perspective. give JLC united. soccer sucks, but he likes it, so there you go.

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[quote=FRPLG;479597]Don't forget "know it all".

What I think is funny is how much Larry Michale's hates him. On Mchael's comcast show he does the source-meter thing where it basically is a shot directly at JLC for using uncited sources all the time. It is a feature specifically designed for JLC and JLC only. It is quite alarming that Larry would do it which makes it pretty clear how much he disrespects JLC.[/quote]

Dude I saw the TV brodcast of that show. Larry stood up and straight called out LaConfora. It looked like If JLC was in the room there would have been some fists flying. I couldnt believe it.

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This is ridiculous, JLC f'ed up no matter what. I mean one thing is to criticize your team, but another thing is to do this. What was he hoping to get out of this, other than either cause embarrassment to the team or even worst cause them to get into trouble. After reading that other GMs have radio shows (especially the likes of Pollian and the Pats GM, you know successful GMs), this has become a non-issue to me. And the fact that JLC made it an issue adds to our questioning of his motivations. I'm done with JLC, besides I can get my Redskins news from other places (like thewarpath.net :silly: )

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the only reason i don't understand vinny having a show is cause he really doesn't seem like he'd be very good at it, or that he'd really have enough to talk about that zorn/cp/cooley/the 980 crew/etc didn't already tread into the ground. we can wait and see on that though...

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[quote=That Guy;480095]the only reason i don't understand vinny having a show is cause he really doesn't seem like he'd be very good at it, or that he'd really have enough to talk about that zorn/cp/cooley/the 980 crew/etc didn't already tread into the ground. we can wait and see on that though...[/quote]

And since when do you have to be good to have a radio/tv show? LOL. :rofl:

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[quote=That Guy;480080]first, bill polian (colts GM) has had a 1 hour weekly soccer sucks, but he likes it, so there you go.[/quote]

try and keep an open mind and not insult those who would disagree with you

as for JLC's antics. They mirror a 7 yr olds.

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That seems like a rule that JLC should know pretty well as a beat reporter for an NFL team. I don't know that I can fault him entirely for doing the research, though his past seems to indicate that there certainly was hope on his part to find indiscretion, but he should have known that is not tampering to begin with. I personally think it's a bit more disconcerting that he doesn't know some NFL basics.

By the way, did anyone see what JLC was wearing during Zorn's press conference yesterday? It was like Radar meets LL Cool J

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I don't live in the area so I don't watch the shows but I used to read JLC's blog. I grew up reading the Post and know I still check it out online. The first thing JLC should have learned is don't piss on the team you are covering. Most of the guys covering the Panthers here are from other parts of the country and like other teams. However, they are bright enough to report on the team from a "homer" perspective. JLC isn't covering the war or doing investigative reports on corrupt politicians. He's covering a sports team where 90% of his readership are fans of the team. He should either cover a different team that he doesn't hate, or apologize publicly to the team and fans and wise up.

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[quote=rypper11;480117]I don't live in the area so I don't watch the shows but I used to read JLC's blog. I grew up reading the Post and know I still check it out online. The first thing JLC should have learned is don't piss on the team you are covering. Most of the guys covering the Panthers here are from other parts of the country and like other teams. However, they are bright enough to report on the team from a "homer" perspective. JLC isn't covering the war or doing investigative reports on corrupt politicians. He's covering a sports team where 90% of his readership are fans of the team. He should either cover a different team that he doesn't hate, or apologize publicly to the team and fans and wise up.[/quote]I agree. And thats not to say that he should only post "fluff" articles for the Skins, I don't want that shit either. Just report on the TEAM. His personal issues with the front office should be checked at the door, along with his ego.

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Jason is a reporter and should report the news and investigate matters that may be newsworthy. Tampering is newsworthy and, so, Jason should investigate incidents that could constitute tampering.

That said, Jason should not have had to consult the league office to realize that Vinny's comments regarding Kiffin would never, ever, ever be deemed tampering. Either Jason played dumb and wanted to needlessly stir the pot, in which case he is childish, or he does not know what tampering is, in which case his competence is questionable.

Also, Jason would be wise to avoid taking personal swipes at Snyder and Cerrato. His credibility rests, at least in part, upon being perceived as a neutral, objective observer. Getting in little jabs at Snyder and Cerrato might make Jason feel better, but those petty slights work to his detriment as a reporter.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;480158]Jason is a reporter and should report the news and investigate matters that may be newsworthy. Tampering is newsworthy and, so, Jason should investigate incidents that could constitute tampering.


That said, Jason should not have had to consult the league office to realize that Vinny's comments regarding Kiffin would never, ever, ever be deemed tampering. Either Jason played dumb and wanted to needlessly stir the pot, in which case he is childish, or he does not know what tampering is, in which case his competence is questionable.


Also, Jason would be wise to avoid taking personal swipes at Snyder and Cerrato. His credibility rests, at least in part, upon being perceived as a neutral, objective observer. Getting in little jabs at Snyder and Cerrato might make Jason feel better, but those petty slights work to his detriment as a reporter.[/quote]

I have no problem with JLC getting the answer straight from the horses mouth. He wants to get it right and takes a beating. If he gets it wrong he takes a beating. Either way he cant win.

Why does JLC have to know that? Hell, lots of players play the game and they dont know all the rules. I suspect JLC knows in general what tampering is but something specific like this could be a potential grey area. I have no problem with him wanting to get his facts straight because if he's wrong he will get crushed by the arm chair experts.


JLC writes a column for the Wash Post. It is not a columnists job to be neutral or objective. I understand the beat reporter being objective but JLC is a columnist.

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JLC is a beat reporter, Wilbon, Wise, Boswell, and Jenkins are the columnists.

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[quote=SmootSmack;480173]JLC is a beat reporter, Wilbon, Wise, Boswell, and Jenkins are the columnists.[/quote]

JLC writes a column called On Football for the Post. It was in Monday's paper.

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Even if he writes a column, do you think it is wise for him to make his animosity towards Cerrato and Snyder public? It's one thing to intelligently criticize Snyder and Cerrato for their decisions which directly affect the franchise, it's quite another to take cheap, petty shots at them as people. In case you haven't noticed, Jason frequently attacks their character in stories which have no bearing whatsoever on the Redskins franchise.

He's undermining his own credibility as a neutral, objective observer. Neutrality and objectivity are NOT synonymous with negativity and petty personal gripes. He's biased and makes no bones about making his biases well known to the public.

Also, from a practical standpoint, Jason is dumb for alienating his constituents (i.e., Redskins fans). Redskins fans don't want puff pieces, but we don't want pessimism and personal attacks either. Nunyo and Maske were good beat reporters; Jason is not.

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JLC could have gone about this so many other ways, including not being specific about why he called the NFL offices...but he thought he was onto something and played his hand. Which turned out to be crap that he should have folded...

If JLC wants to criticize the Skins, so be it. But get your ducks in a row first. JLC needs a lesson in subtlety. That is a big problem with the age of 24/7 media...too many people jump the gun before getting their shit together.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;480187]Even if he writes a column, do you think it is wise for him to make his animosity towards Cerrato and Snyder public? It's one thing to intelligently criticize Snyder and Cerrato for their decisions which directly affect the franchise, it's quite another to take cheap, petty shots at them as people. In case you haven't noticed, Jason frequently attacks their character in stories which have no bearing whatsoever on the Redskins franchise.

He's undermining his own credibility as a neutral, objective observer. Neutrality and objectivity are NOT synonymous with negativity and petty personal gripes. He's biased and makes no bones about making his biases well known to the public.

Also, from a practical standpoint, Jason is dumb for alienating his constituents (i.e., Redskins fans). Redskins fans don't want puff pieces, but we don't want pessimism and personal attacks either. Nunyo and Maske were good beat reporters; Jason is not.[/quote]

Maske was thought of as too friendly by the post and Nunyo might have been murdered by a deranged Skins fan because of his confrontational and negative reporting. JLC was def much more reasonable in the early stages of running this beat but now he is has moved into Nunyo territory. I guess the Skins just make it hard for reporters and wear them down into bitter confused twits.

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In general I'm tired of the bickering back and forth between the Skins and the media. I think the Skins are probably mostly to blame. I just wish they would squash it already.

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[quote=BDBohnzie;480203]JLC could have gone about this so many other ways, including not being specific about why he called the NFL offices...but he thought he was onto something and played his hand. Which turned out to be crap that he should have folded...

If JLC wants to criticize the Skins, so be it. But get your ducks in a row first. JLC needs a lesson in subtlety. That is a big problem with the age of 24/7 media...too many people jump the gun before getting their shit together.[/quote]

Exactly. It is why JLC calls Dave Elfin at the Time "Day Late Dave". Because Elfin doesn't throws bombs. He actually reports what he finds out once he has sourced it properly and deteremined is validity. JLC has prescribed to the new notion that no news is worse than wrong news.

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If he calls the league office and asks "what are the tampering ruless if a team representative is talking about another teams coach or player in specifics", this is easy. He just doesn't know and wants to get clarification. But he didn't. He called and used Vinny's name.


Obviously trying to get a guy in trouble. He should own up and apologize to Vinny and the fans. He just created a lot of enemies. He better start a little damage control (not just try to "spin" it).

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Vinny said that one of the reasons he wanted to be on the show was so he could respond to all the garbage being thrown out there. I can understand that.

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[quote=53Fan;480241]Vinny said that one of the reasons he wanted to be on the show was so he could respond to all the garbage being thrown out there. I can understand that.[/quote]

Ironically I've always have seen Vinny as innocent in all this. To be honest theres a lot of stuff I don't like about Snyder, but one thing I know is the fact that he wants to win and rarely cuts corners when it comes to getting the Redskins a chance to compete. Is he misguided at times? Probably. Hiring Larry Michael was a pretty Angelos like move on his part, and stuff like that will always make me wonder, but at the same time the only thing I really care about is winning short of fielding a team with murders, premadonnas, and the like.

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[quote=Mattyk72;480216]In general I'm tired of the bickering back and forth between the Skins and the media. I think the Skins are probably mostly to blame. I just wish they would squash it already.[/quote]

Agreed, except that I think this is almost 100% the Redskins' fault. It is JLC's job to report on the team... the Redskins should not be employing these fear tactics- fall in line, or I won't let you cover me (etc). I don't know how many of you remember the "obstructed view seats" fiasco, but if it weren't for the Post's reporting on the issue (JLC being one of them) I know many fans would have a had a lot harder time resolving the issue. For those of you that don't remember, the Redskins' initial response was to chastise the Washington Post while threatening to reduce the amount of "corporate seats" allocated to the Post for speaking against them. The REdskins have routinely attempted to dominate/muzzle the press. Jason is doing his job, and he's doing it well.

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[quote=GoSkins!;480219]If he calls the league office and asks "what are the tampering ruless if a team representative is talking about another teams coach or player in specifics", this is easy. He just doesn't know and wants to get clarification. But he didn't. He called and used Vinny's name.


Obviously trying to get a guy in trouble. He should own up and apologize to Vinny and the fans. He just created a lot of enemies. He better start a little damage control (not just try to "spin" it).[/quote]


True, he could have called and said hypothetically speaking, "what if..."
but in the same breath, Vinny is the first VP to host a talk show...Jason was just trying to get to the bottom of it- which is his job. Its not his job to cover the redskins legal behind (who are just seeking- not a bad thing- another venue to make more money). Do you think the white house was pleased to learn about what Bob Woodward was researching? NO, but he did it anyway becuase that is what reports do, they dig and report back to the public- I for one am damn glad Jason's doing it.

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It is JLC's job to report on the team. It is not his job to try an instigate trouble by calling the league office an insinuating that the VP of the team is guilty of tampering. It has already been noted that Bill Polian of the Colts has a similar show already. Hard to keep the facts straight when you have a reporter reporting whatever serves his purpose is'nt it?

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[quote=BrunellMVP?;480289]Agreed, except that I think this is almost 100% the Redskins' fault. It is JLC's job to report on the team... the Redskins should not be employing these fear tactics- fall in line, or I won't let you cover me (etc). I don't know how many of you remember the "obstructed view seats" fiasco, but if it weren't for the Post's reporting on the issue (JLC being one of them) I know many fans would have a had a lot harder time resolving the issue. For those of you that don't remember, the Redskins' initial response was to chastise the Washington Post while threatening to reduce the amount of "corporate seats" allocated to the Post for speaking against them. The REdskins have routinely attempted to dominate/muzzle the press. Jason is doing his job, and he's doing it well.[/quote]

Even if the Skins are mostly to blame, JLC certainly isn't helping matters at times. So it goes both ways.

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[quote=Mattyk72;479580]If that's true that's pretty shitty on JLC's part, but really not surprising.[/quote]

Yeah not to mention it could lead to us losing draft picks and being fined. But its not true. cna't believe he actually had the audacity to call the league offices.

JLC is a db (and that doesn't stand for defensive back)

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I wonder if one day we'll see a confrintation between good ol Vinny and JLA. Though in this case I'm willing to bet that the roles would be reversed.

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[quote=GoSkins!;480219]If he calls the league office and asks "what are the tampering ruless if a team representative is talking about another teams coach or player in specifics", this is easy. He just doesn't know and wants to get clarification. But he didn't. He called and used Vinny's name.


Obviously trying to get a guy in trouble. He should own up and apologize to Vinny and the fans. He just created a lot of enemies. He better start a little damage control (not just try to "spin" it).[/quote]

Why did he have to call the league office. I am sure its on google or on the web somewhere. He knew exactly what he was doing?

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As someone who has worked in that local media covering the Redskins (Wizards, Capitals, Mystics, Freedom, United, Bison, Terps. Hoyas, Eagles, Colonials, Patriots, etc.) I would say that as far as getting access to a team's front office the Redskins are certainly the most difficult. They're the big dogs in town and they know it.

It stems from a few things. When Snyder bought the team, he brought in a new mentality when it came to media coverage. First, because of his marketing/media background he wanted a more consolidated/streamlined line of communication making it more difficult to get "inside scoops." Secondly he, or someone in his group, would hold stories to leak them to the national media first because he wanted the Redskins to be thought of nationally, not just locally. Needless to say, this irked a lot of local media. In that sense, Snyder and the Redskins didn't handle things right in my opinion.

But I think to an extent, the Redskins have some legitimate concerns. There are a lot of people who work in the media in the DC area (current friends and former colleagues of mine) who quite honestly have made serious blunders in their zeal to break a story on the Redskins. Whether it's providing erroneous information or reporting on issues that were strictly off the record. There are plenty of good, objective professional media people down in DC but then there are those who simply are looking for a career boost (by whatever means necessary). JLC strikes me as one of the latter.