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[quote=T.O.Killa;482731]I am still not 100% sold on Campbell, but if he keeps playing like this he will go down as a hall of famer. He has been unbelievable.[/quote]

T.O.Killa, you are a hard person to please. What does Jason Campbell have to do to win you over? He just bitch-slapped the Cowgirls in Cowtown. It doesn't get any better than that.

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[quote=GMScud;482952]Wait a second, I thought this thread got locked? What happened? I coulda sworn I saw SS lock it...[/quote]

I locked the other one.

As for JC, great to see him playing so well. Aikman made a good point yesterday, that Zorn isn't doing the conventional things to protect a young QB but he's putting the team in position to make plays (to some extent, at the expense of Jason Campbell). To me, that shows great confidence in Campbell to be the man.

As a coach, maybe Joe Gibbs couldn't quite make a star out of Campbell but props to JG the President for believing that JC was our future and going after him.

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[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80b32a3a&template=with-video&confirm=true]Efficient Campbell, Redskins ascending in NFC East[/url]

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[quote=Mattyk72;482984][URL="http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80b32a3a&template=with-video&confirm=true"]Efficient Campbell, Redskins ascending in NFC East[/URL][/quote]You could post about half a dozen of these articles. All the major sports sites have a lead story about how good the Redskins are.

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How's this taste?

NFC East QB Ratings

Jason Campbell: 102.2
Tony Romo: 99.0
Donovan McNabb: 95.7
Eli Manning: 91.1

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The one thing consistent no matter who was our OC was that they all said JC was putting the work in studying film and the playbook, they might of complained about his technique but never about is work ethic, it seems like it's finally paying of for him -- all is hard work.

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[quote=Mattyk72;482986]How's this taste?

NFC East QB Ratings

Jason Campbell: 102.2
Tony Romo: 99.0
Donovan McNabb: 95.7
Eli Manning: 91.1[/quote]Very good thank you. May I have another.


Its also pretty impressive that all are above 90.

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Well I can honestly say that I was in the minority week one. I wasn't calling for JC's head. Nope not me. I saw the potential, and knew he would be fine. JC is not what I thought he was because he has progressed so quickly. I mean, moving from where he was at the beginning of September to where he is now? 180 degrees. Plus I'm going to have a good taste in my mouth for the rest of the week. Dallas Week pt. I is over, and we're 1-0

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I thought when I watched him against the Giants, he wasn't making mistakes, but he also wasn't seeing his receivers properly and getting rid of the ball. Hence the sacks. But also, we didn't have a running game to speak of. Now the offense looks more of a unit, and able to move the ball on long drives (i.e. 10 plays for 79 yards!). That goes a long way to helping a QB feel comfortable in there.

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So far so good. We'll know for certain in week 17.

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[quote=Paintrain;482946]You said it perfectly. You know who (by fanbase definition) didn't look like an NFL QB 20 starts into his career? Drew Brees. Yes, the same one who is leading the NFL in every passing category. Some fans either don't believe in or don't know how to measure progress.[/quote]

I remember they drafted Rivers cause they didn't thought Brees wasn't going to be any good. SD had no patience. Brees got it done yesterday w/out Colston and Shockey. He's not the biggest guy, or he doesn't have the best arm, but all he does is get the job done. 100% stud of a QB.

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just gonna plug this in this thread because i really like this picture a lot:


[IMG]http://static.nfl.com/static/content/catch_all/nfl_image/J_Campbell_080928_2_Wide.jpg[/IMG]

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The thing I'm noticing now is that a lot of the long pass plays we're seeing are direct results of Jason's escapability from the rush. He's turned plays that could have been losses into huge gains with some nifty footwork. Direct byproduct of Zorn's teachings this year.

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I am glad I didn't throw him under the bus early. I always said give the guy a chance. I got kicked off a board for that. I got grief for saying the D-Line needs to get more sacks and pressures (which is still true). Another one of my assesments was that Horton needs to start (I see Doughty got burned again).

But enough of that. I saw JC get torn down by so many people. The Colt Cult is quiet now. People who were hating JC are coming around now. They were saying he wasn't smart enough. He couldn't be a QB in this league. He can't be a leader. His release is too slow. Now the haters are eating crow and I am glad because by them eating crow it relates to us winning. I am glad I kept the faith towards the end of preseason I got kind of weary. But the scary thing is. This is only one quarter of the season. Imagine what he is going to do when he gets more comfortable and Kelly Davis and Thomas are adding to the receiving corp. Scary isn't it.

I guess Joe Gibbs did know what he was doing with Campbell. Its still early and I hope he progresses even more along the way and makes more people eat crow.

HTTR!!

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JC is finally living up to the potential he was credited with when he came out of college. I think confidence is the important thing. He now has all the confidence in his O line his recievers, and his defense.

Hail to the redskins

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He is on 980 right now with Doc and Kevin.
kevin to Jason: "Jason, how did it feel to run the Cowboys into the ground in the fourth quarter? They were tired and you guys just kept pounding them". Jason: "It felt.....GREAT!!""
This is dude is VERY happy with the situation we have. he describes the other guys the same..Cooley, Moss, El are having a REAL good time.
I CANNOT help but believe we are just a Juggernaut like, Perfect Storm......just beginnning to gather momentum. Might be this year, might be next, but [B]IT WILL [/B]be unleashed full force!
HTTR

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Props to him...i hope he continues to grow this year and gets that big contact extension this year to be the franchise guy:pimp:

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Those 10-12 lbs he lost during the off season is really starting to benefit him. What a big difference from last year when he couldn't hang onto the ball in the pocket.

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What I'm loving is he escapes in the pocket, resets and makes big plays down the field. Love seeing this young man play like this, 3-1 in the first quarter is a heckuva start!

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[quote=itvnetop;483436]The thing I'm noticing now is that a lot of the long pass plays we're seeing are direct results of Jason's escapability from the rush. He's turned plays that could have been losses into huge gains with some nifty footwork. Direct byproduct of Zorn's teachings this year.[/quote]

I think there will be more long plays as vets get more comfortable and Thomas and Kelly get in the mix more. With the rookies in gear there also will be big targets for that goal line fade.

It was JC's year to no longer be a beginner, and either shine or bust. Since he is shining in a big way, we may be well set at quarterback for years. SWEEET!

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I am starting to believe JC is the problem with the offense again. I just cant believe our recievers are the reason our offense has performed so bad. Where ever you have a good QB the recievers follow. I hope he starts to prove me wrong, just in time for the playoffs, but he has got me worried again.

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$10 says that someone's head is going to spin 360 degrees and spit pea soup as soon as they see this thread has been bumped.

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:doh::doh:

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oooo-line

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[quote=T.O.Killa;506012]I am starting to believe JC is the problem with the offense again. I just cant believe our recievers are the reason our offense has performed so bad. Where ever you have a good QB the recievers follow. I hope he starts to prove me wrong, just in time for the playoffs, but he has got me worried again.[/quote]So...you were wrong twice, but you're right now?

I agree that if Campbell was seeing everything, he would be making the receivers look good, but just because he isn't doesn't mean he's the big problem.

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[quote=GTripp0012;506018]So...you were wrong twice, but you're right now?[/quote]

Please see my sig.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;506022]Please see my sig.[/quote]

I thought we all had enough of the QB carousel when Spurrier was here? :doh: I'm definitely a fan not in favor of yanking ANYONE right now. The Eagles tried that shit last week and got blown out of the water. Come on now..

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[quote=DynamiteRave;506023]I thought we all had enough of the QB carousel when Spurrier was here? :doh: I'm definitely a fan not in favor of yanking ANYONE right now. The Eagles tried that shit last week and got blown out of the water. Come on now..[/quote]

I realize you probably know my sig is dripping with sarcasm, but let me just confirm as much. I do not believe we should yank JC.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;506025]I realize you probably know my sig is dripping with sarcasm, but let me just confirm as much. I do not believe we should yank JC.[/quote]

Oh yeah. I know. I'm just bitching about how I don't know why anyone would want that.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;506025]I realize you probably know my sig is dripping with sarcasm, but let me just confirm as much. I do not believe we should yank JC.[/quote]

He is NOT our problem. First off, there were some AWFUL drops today, not to mention he's been harassed in the pocket all season.

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The jury is still out on Campbell but he has shown enough progression this season to give him a break for now.

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here is a crazy idea. how about let him be in the same system for more than one year?

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[quote=hooskins;506037]here is a crazy idea. how about let him be in the same system for more than one year?[/quote]

Crazy talk.

Bring in the next guy, if he doesn't turn out to be the next Brady or Manning by halfway through next season, toss him on the scrap heap too.

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When do I get my tryout for QB of the Redskins?

More importantly, when am I going to be called out for lacking heart?!

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[quote=GTripp0012;506044]When do I get my tryout for QB of the Redskins?

More importantly, when am I going to be called out for lacking heart?![/quote]

When you lose, you don't have any heart.

When you win, you've got mad heart.

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[quote=DesertHog;506034]The jury is still out on Campbell but he has shown enough progression this season to give him a break for now.[/quote]

Huh? He really only had what 3-4 games where we can say he played like a pro-bowler. The other wins came on the back of Clinton Portis. Blame the O-line or play calling...I'm just calling a spade a spade.

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[quote=prinzeofmoval;506051]Huh? He really only had what 3-4 games where we can say he played like a pro-bowler. The other wins came on the back of Clinton Portis. Blame the O-line or play calling...I'm just calling a spade a spade.[/quote]

Jason played at an outstanding level in four games, poorly in four games and okay in two games. That, to me, is reason enough to give him more time to prove himself. To those who think otherwise, please consider the following:

[B](1) Jason is a FAR superior QB than his predecessors[/B]. In the past decade or so I have suffered through Heath Shuler Gus Frerotte, Jeff George, Tony Banks, Shane Matthews, Patrick Ramsey, Danny Wuerfel, Tim Hasselbeck and a few others. Jason is, by far, the best of the bunch. The thought of going through another decade or so searching for a better option at quarterback makes me sick to my stomach.

[B](2) Quality free agent QBs don't grow on trees[/B]. In the past few years, how many teams have found a quality, young quarterback in free agency? Not many. New Orleans is the only team I can think of, and they took a MAJOR gamble in signing Brees. He signed a monster contract after coming off of an injury that threatened his career. How many great QBs are hitting the free agent market this offseason? None. Matt Cassel will likely hit free agency, but if JC doesn't please you, neither will Matt Cassel.

[B](3) Colt is NOT ready[/B]. Yes, we all know Colt Brennan has that "it" boy quality. But, that "it" factor doesn't mean squat. One day he might be a fine QB, but he's not there yet. He looked great in 2 games and struggled mightily in 2 others against 3rd stringers (many of whom have never played a single down in a regular season NFL game). If he struggled to move the ball and put up decent stats against guys who couldn't make other teams' practice squads, what in the world makes you think he'll excel against starting NFL defensive units? Yes, I am aware of the whole "he was drafted in the 6th round like Tom Brady" argument. However, not only is that argument unpersuasive, it's grade A tarded. So please spare me that garbage.

The point isn't that Jason is the best quarterback. The point is Jason is the best option we have right now, and he'll likely be the best option we have next season as well.

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In somewhat related news, I'd like to see Brennan move up to No. 2 on the depth chart...next season.

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Jason Campbell does many things well and he is gaining experience. Hopefully coach Zorn will figure out how to maximize his talents to the fullest. JC works hard and he is talented so why not give him maximum support until he hits a clear and definite plateau. I just hope we don't sign him long term until the end of next season. That seems to be the window of time that makes the most sense with regards to assesing his progression as a player.

Great defenses are exposing this team right now, but I'm not sure what that even means? I kind of feel like the coaches aren't exactly sure either.

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[quote=wilsowilso;506059]Jason Campbell does many things well and he is gaining experience. Hopefully coach Zorn will figure out how to maximize his talents to the fullest. JC works hard and he is talented so why not give him maximum support until he hits a clear and definite plateau. I just hope we don't sign him long term until the end of next season. That seems to be the window of time that makes the most sense with regards to assesing his progression as a player.

Great defenses are exposing this team right now, but I'm not sure what that even means? I kind of feel like the coaches aren't exactly sure either.[/quote]

Ditto, JC needs another year in this system. He hasn't earned a contract yet barring a good finish to this season. He's got, what 10 TD passes all season in 12 games. I think it would be premature to give him a contract at this point.

I like JC and I like the improvement he has shown. However, there are a lot of QB's out there that can be fairly successful when things are going well. When you've got a CP running for 150 yards it opens some things up. When you've got a oline blocking well, you can scan the field. What the elite QB do, is to find ways of scoring points and winning. I'm not convinced yet w/ JC. I do hope we've found our QB but i'm not going to annoint him yet.