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[quote=erik2680;486472]As a Seahawks fan I ask you to please give Jim Zorn back!!! But for real I am glad my second favorite team is doing well[/quote]

Sorry can't help! Soon to be your favorite team...lol

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[quote=SmootSmack;486396]To play devil's advocate, how much of this do you think is due to lack of faith in Brooks right now?[/quote]
that, and if the skins don't convert that fourth down play. but it is nice to play to win, and not to lose. i like the aggressiveness

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[quote=SmootSmack;486396]To play devil's advocate, how much of this do you think is due to lack of faith in Brooks right now?[/quote]

I really don't think that had anything to do with it. Zorn has shown he trusts his players and will go for the throat, I think that was the case yesterday.

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[quote=GMScud;486398]I don't think that has much to do with it. If Brooks was that bad, wouldn't we have tried to cut our losses with him and at the very least brought other punters in for a workout? These very short 4th downs we're going for are really in keeping with the style of playcalling Zorn has shown overall.[/quote]

I agree. It had nothing to do with the punter. Plus how great of a call was that? Zorn had the field spread out and ran the ball out of shotgun. We never ever ever did that in the past. If that was last year we would've punted. But let's say we did go for it we would've been in jumbo package and the defense would know we were running to the left. Two times yesterday we ran the ball out of shotgun when the defense wasn't expecting it.

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[quote=SeanTaGodsSafety;486060]Ill be honest after the Giants game I thought Coach Z was a bonehead. I retract that. And I trully believe hes a great coach. The team has really taken to this offense. And hes running the football.[/quote]

me too i was cusing Danny for hiring him and Vinny too

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Joe Gibbs probably left because of the stress of the game, including Sean Taylor's death, and as has been said, Joe handled that better than any of us could have. There were other incidents that happened, like the constant criticism of his hand-picked quarterback, Mark Brunell, which didn't help his judgment of when a player has given all he can give, which I believe Brunell did. He brought in Brandon Lloyd who failed miserably and cost the Redskins two very high draft picks. But JG was a decent man and a great football coach in the 80's and 90's. After he left the first time, the Redskins were never the same kind of team...until now. Jim Zorn is the new coach and he's full of fresh ideas and innovative plays. It's a thrill to watch games again and not worry about Norv Turner, Marty S. or Steve Spurrier.

I thought Dan Snyder gave us what we wanted and needed in Spurrier. The sports writers and sports casters all were highly critical of Snyder, but he was just trying to win. All I can say is I'm glad that Jim Zorn is not another Spurrier.

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Lets not forget that Gibbs built this team. Last year our team was decimated by injuries and somehow he willed us into the playoffs. Lets also give praise to Dan Snyder for bringing us Jim Zorn and never putting money infront of winning.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;486910]Lets not forget that Gibbs built this team. Last year our team was decimated by injuries and somehow he willed us into the playoffs. Lets also give praise to Dan Snyder for bringing us Jim Zorn and never putting money infront of winning.[/quote]

Well said!! What a difference a healthy OL makes in the running and passing game + a healthy Santana Moss who people were saying was washed up last year.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;486910]Lets not forget that Gibbs built this team. Last year our team was decimated by injuries and somehow he willed us into the playoffs. Lets also give praise to Dan Snyder for bringing us Jim Zorn and never putting money infront of winning.[/quote]

I love Zorn, did since his first press conference (go maroon and black!). But does anyone think he could have stepped into the mess left behind by Spurrier (as Gibbs did) and had the success he is currently having? I don't.

As hess so eloquently said in another thread - Gibbs gave the team heart, Zorn is making it beat.

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Here is a little comment from ESPN. Talks about what Gibbs did for this team. Also if you want to read the whole article as it is about JC, I have provided the link...


"I'm thrilled for Jason Campbell and the rest of the guys on offense," said Saunders, now the offensive coordinator in St. Louis. "[B]The thing Joe [Gibbs] did was bring together a group of high-character, great work-ethic guys.[/B] To see Jason come back from his injury and maturing like that, it's great to see. I said when I got there that there was no limit to what he could do. With all the offenses he's been through, he's able to process information quickly, break it down to things he can understand and apply it on the field. I'm just thrilled for him. He's a true professional."

[url=http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nfceast/0-4-40/Campbell-deserves-our-praise.html]ESPN - Campbell deserves our praise - NFC East[/url]

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At first I didit think Zorn was good choice for our head coach. But I like how he has bounced back from that week 1 loss and completely turned things around for the team. Things are looking great.

Hail to the redskins!

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The Redskins job is a dream for any coach. A top 10 defense and an elite running back. Zorn is doing his job and getting the most out of every player. I'm so happy that Campbell is showing all his potential and I look forward to the offense gelling in the red zone.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;486071]How about the job he did last year with all those injuries and , especially to the OL and ST's death? Are you forgetting? You think Zorn could have done that? I doubted. Campbell matured last year, he arrived after the Dallas loss in Dallas, we couldn't run a lot of the plays with the right side of the line missing and therefore Campbell wasn't as effective as he is this year. Yes, they held him back so he wouldn't get killed and then he got injured. OL being healthy is the difference this year.[/quote]

amen 110% joe gibbs built alot of character with this team but jim zorn has brought his aggressive style and the west coast offense with and thus far has the right pieces in place..so far so good..

keep it up especially against teams like the rams,detroit.....

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I would like to see the Redskins blow somebody away, like 45-7. If they lose a couple of the next 3 or 4 games, I guess I'll come back down to earth; But right now it feels so good to have a coach who trusts his players. I'm still floating from the Cowboys and Iggles wins, and my season will be complete if we tear the Giants up at FedEx Field. Zorn is still giving credit to the players for making plays, and that's part of the reason they're winning!

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The Redskins should have blown away the Rams for an easy win. I hate days after a loss. When we win, everyone seems to want to give Joe Gibbs a lot of the credit. I haven't heard his name mentioned when the 'Skins lose.

Joe Gibbs was great, but he chose Greg Williams. Blatche was promoted and is doing much better (so far) as the defensive coordinator. I wonder if Gibbs had anything to do in (maybe) advising Snyder not to give the head coaching job to Williams. Also, if Williams had been named head coach, would we still have Al Saunders as the offensive coordinator? Maybe Gibbs had a lot to do with Zorn being brought to the Redskins. I think maybe Jim Fassel thinks it was his idea. (Please excuse this rambling comment.)

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speaking of building a team and bringing in a solid core of players . . . i heard a st louis rams reporter (on the radio bad reception) say the rams only have 1 draft pick on the team from the 2000 - 2004 drafts which should make up the core of their team. if i heard that right, that is down right unbelievable.

go skins!

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I enjoyed all the years of Gibbs I, but none of Gibbs II. I didn't like Mark Brunell as the quarterback, and Gibbs stayed with him way too long. I thought LaVar Arrington was treated like an outcast, and he happened to be my favorite Redskin at the time. There was a lot of dissension on the team, and some of it was because of Gregg Williams and the linebackers coach. Plus while other teams built themselves into stronger units through the draft, the Skins were content to trade draft choices for players who failed here, like Brandon Lloyd. Gregg Williams was responsible for the Skins getting London Fletcher, not JG. So I resent it when people try to give most of the credit to Joe Gibbs for today's five wins because of the "foundation" that Joe built.

My favorite memory is of Number 44 running for the touchdown that beat the Dolphins in the 1982 Super Bowl. And Joe Gibbs had the guts to call it. So I have my memories of Joe's successes, but they're all from his first years as head coach. Now it's Zorn's time and the players are Zorn's. Lady Brave is correct in the statement that Zorn's successes will not diminish what Gibbs did. So we move on with Jim Zorn, and I'm just worn out after yesterday's 14-11 win over the Browns. I need a blowout win!

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[quote=JoeRedskin;486967]I love Zorn, did since his first press conference (go maroon and black!). But does anyone think he could have stepped into the mess left behind by Spurrier (as Gibbs did) and had the success he is currently having? I don't.

As hess so eloquently said in another thread - Gibbs gave the team heart, Zorn is making it beat.[/quote]
Nicely done!
HTTR.........Maroon, and Black!

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[quote=JLee9718;492005]I enjoyed all the years of Gibbs I, but none of Gibbs II. I didn't like Mark Brunell as the quarterback, and Gibbs stayed with him way too long. I thought LaVar Arrington was treated like an outcast, and he happened to be my favorite Redskin at the time. There was a lot of dissension on the team, and some of it was because of Gregg Williams and the linebackers coach. Plus while other teams built themselves into stronger units through the draft, the Skins were content to trade draft choices for players who failed here, like Brandon Lloyd. Gregg Williams was responsible for the Skins getting London Fletcher, not JG. So I resent it when people try to give most of the credit to Joe Gibbs for today's five wins because of the "foundation" that Joe built.

My favorite memory is of Number 44 running for the touchdown that beat the Dolphins in the 1982 Super Bowl. And Joe Gibbs had the guts to call it. So I have my memories of Joe's successes, but they're all from his first years as head coach. Now it's Zorn's time and the players are Zorn's. Lady Brave is correct in the statement that Zorn's successes will not diminish what Gibbs did. So we move on with Jim Zorn, and I'm just worn out after yesterday's 14-11 win over the Browns. I need a blowout win![/quote]

We made some boneheaded personnel moves, to be sure, under Gibbs the past four years. But you have to be an idiot (or think that the only measure of success the past four years is how many Super Bowls we won, or didn't win) not to recognize the foundation that Gibbs built for Zorn to succeed. And look, that's not to take anything away from Zorn. Not everyone can take talent developed by another coach and lead them and take them to another level. And I have no doubt that Zorn will one day win with his players. But right now, with maybe the exception of Horton I suppose, he's winning with the guys brought in under Gibbs.

Campbell, Portis, Moss, ARE, Cooley, Golston, Griffin, Washington, Landry, Rogers, McIntosh, Blades, Montgomery, Heyer, Kendall, even Suisham. Those guys (along with others) have been buidling as a team long before Zorn arrived.

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[quote=SmootSmack;492011]We made some boneheaded personnel moves, to be sure, under Gibbs the past four years. But you have to be an idiot (or think that the only measure of success the past four years is how many Super Bowls we won, or didn't win) not to recognize the foundation that Gibbs built for Zorn to succeed. And look, that's not to take anything away from Zorn. Not everyone can take talent developed by another coach and lead them and take them to another level. And I have no doubt that Zorn will one day win with his players. But right now, with maybe the exception of Horton I suppose, he's winning with the guys brought in under Gibbs.

[B]Campbell, Portis, Moss, ARE, Cooley, Golston, Griffin, Washington, Landry, Rogers, McIntosh, Blades, Montgomery, Heyer, Kendall, even Suisham. Those guys (along with others)[/B] have been buidling as a team long before Zorn arrived.[/quote]

Just looking at the list in Black and White of quality players that we have is enough to yell HAIL SKINS!!! That is as solid a lineup on both sides of the ball as a fan could ask for! Go Skins!
(seriously, i got siked up just reading that list of names!)

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[quote=SmootSmack;492011]We made some boneheaded personnel moves, to be sure, under Gibbs the past four years. But you have to be an idiot (or think that the only measure of success the past four years is how many Super Bowls we won, or didn't win) not to recognize the foundation that Gibbs built for Zorn to succeed. And look, that's not to take anything away from Zorn. Not everyone can take talent developed by another coach and lead them and take them to another level. And I have no doubt that Zorn will one day win with his players. But right now, with maybe the exception of Horton I suppose, he's winning with the guys brought in under Gibbs.

Campbell, Portis, Moss, ARE, Cooley, Golston, Griffin, Washington, Landry, Rogers, McIntosh, Blades, Montgomery, Heyer, Kendall, even Suisham. Those guys (along with others) have been buidling as a team long before Zorn arrived.[/quote]

True, the players were there. But for him to have begun to win so quickly implementing a totally new system, is what makes it so special. No question that if we go into the playoffs (god bless) having a 1st year at helm coach, with NO previous HC experience, would not be anything short of incredible!

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[quote=Takeuon;492018]True, the players were there. But for him to have begun to win so quickly implementing a totally new system, is what makes it so special. No question that if we go into the playoffs (god bless) having a 1st year at helm coach, with NO previous HC experience, would not be anything short of incredible![/quote]

Well, I think our passing game will tke off sooner than later. It's already shown signs thanks in large part to the maturation of Campbell (and Zorn's tutelage). But the bread and butter of this team so far has been defense and the running game. Defense is Blache running a much more simplified version of what Williams ran, and the running game philosophy is largely (if not entirely) a product of Gibbs and Bugel.

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[quote=Takeuon;486028][COLOR="DarkRed"][/COLOR]So I'm as happy as a pig in sh*t! A serious and down right TEAM win today! That being said....over our last few wins I have felt like Zorn has this "connection" with the team. Something that was missing before. And I think his personal attention to Campbell is really key.
My point is, we were all a little concerned when he was hired a HC. But maybe his youth is what makes him understand today's game better. (Hell of a call on 4th & 1 today) And allows him to have a closer connection to the entire team.

Sorry Joe G....I love ya. But maybe the game had passed you by.[/quote]

Ahhhhhhh the good old days! Very interesting to re read these posts. Amazing how fast almost everyone changed there tune. Fun!!!

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I can't help thinking that reactivating these old threads (thank God I haven’t contributed to any of them so far) is a little bit cruel. There is nothing worse than a disillusioned believer. I think we all fall in to that category a little bit this year.

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[quote=YellowBirdy;512564]I can't help thinking that reactivating these old threads (thank God I haven’t contributed to any of them so far) is a little bit cruel. There is nothing worse than a disillusioned believer. I think we all fall in to that category a little bit this year.[/quote]

yea. Well can't blame the fans. We seem to be the only part of the Skins that still cares about winning. Sorry for activating this thread but after stumbling across it I could not help it. It's so contrasting to our current threads. Unfortunatly.

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You can blame the fans too....

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/26422-f-selling-tickets-to-visiting-team.html[/url]

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[quote=rypper11;512570]You can blame the fans too....

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/26422-f-selling-tickets-to-visiting-team.html[/url][/quote]

Honestly, if fans really want to have any part in helping the Skins return to greatness....they should sell their tickets.

Once the fans stop rewarding Snyder for putting a mediocre product on the field MAYBE he will actually get a clue and get a legit GM and stop running the team like fanatasy owner with no patience.

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[quote=maroonandblack30;512593]Honestly, if fans really want to have any part in helping the Skins return to greatness....they should sell their tickets.

Once the fans stop rewarding Snyder for putting a mediocre product on the field MAYBE he will actually get a clue and get a legit GM and stop running the team like fanatasy owner with no patience.[/quote]

imagine what a empty FedEx field could do. It's the only way to get Snyders attension. Hit his wallet! Never happen though and he knows it.