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[quote=GMScud;489107]Amazing. This is the attitude so many of us had going into today's game. Good thing we learned a lot from assuming a victory. :doh:[/quote]

Yeah we'll probably lose now. I'm just getting a little fired up GMScud, it'll be alright. :)

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[quote=53Fan;489098]Maybe I'm sadistic but I LOVED seeing Wade Phillips jumping around like they just won the Super Bowl after the fieldgoal then losing the game. :food-smil[/quote]

Sadistic? Hell no brother! I think everyone who isn't a Cowboys fan got a huge kick outta that. TO with another bad game. He's had 3 or fewer catches in 4 out of their 6 ballgames. Implosion is imminent. God that makes me happy.

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They got it together at the end, but it was too late. Couple sacks would have iced it for the Skins at the end, but not much of a pass rush, which has always been our Achilles heal today. Still, the sloppy play was inexcusable. We better put up 30+ up on the Browns and Lions. We need to "pad" our record before we face the Steelers.

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[quote=GMScud;489111]Sadistic? Hell no brother! I think everyone who isn't a Cowboys fan got a huge kick outta that. TO with another bad game. He's had 3 or fewer catches in 4 out of their 6 ballgames. Implosion is imminent. God that makes me happy.[/quote]

T.O.= M...E...L...T...D...O...W...N :food-smil

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;488976]The skins are the same team they were 4 hours ago (pretty good) they just got complacent and let the [B]headlines get to their fat heads.[/B] [/quote]Sorry, not buying that lame-ass excuse.

What evidence do you have to support the fact that certain players on the team were overconfident heading into this game? Do you have any names of players who played well below what we would expect from them?

I think there are legitimate analytical reasons for the loss today, but we don't need that half-ass media excuse garbage on this board.

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[quote=That Guy;489097]i think the team looked past them. uninspired play and 3 TOs... ouch. still, we almost won, we should have won, but you gotta figure trap games happen :/.[/quote]Turnovers, yes. Was Carlos Rogers looking past them when he shut down Torry Holt? Was the defensive front looking past them when they pressured and hit Bulger all day making him cower after his throws? Did Portis and the OL overlook the Rams when they were chewing out 5+ yards per carry? Was Pete Kendall overlooking the Rams when he tried to advance a pass he caught?

We did MOST things on the field today just as well as we had been doing them over our first 5 games. We simply 1) turned the ball over too much, and 2) did not protect the quarterback vs. a very impressive pass rush.

Neither of those things constitutes overlooking the Rams. I agreed with you that we probably outplayed them, but they played well enough on defense to keep a single fluke touchdown as the margin of victory.

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[quote=GTripp0012;489116]Sorry, not buying that lame-ass excuse.

What evidence do you have to support the fact that certain players on the team were overconfident heading into this game? Do you have any names of players who played well below what we would expect from them?

I think there are legitimate analytical reasons for the loss today, but we don't need that half-ass media excuse garbage on this board.[/quote]

Agreed. We had 368 total yards to their 200. We had the ball longer, ran for twice as many yards, had fewer penalties, and didn't allow an offensive TD. I'd say 19 out of 20 times that will win you a ball game. I'll also say turning it over 3 times in your opponents territory on what seem like imminent scoring drives will lose you the game 19 out of 20 times.

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[quote=GMScud;489121]Agreed. We had 368 total yards to their 200. We had the ball longer, ran for twice as many yards, had fewer penalties, and didn't allow an offensive TD. I'd say 19 out of 20 times that will win you a ball game. I'll also say turning it over 3 times in your opponents territory on what seem like imminent scoring drives will lose you the game 19 out of 20 times.[/quote]We expected to blow the Rams out today, and the way the defense played (although they dropped two very easy INTs), you would have thought we beat them 20-3.

Now, the offense did get consistently beaten by the Rams in pass protection. But that's the ONLY place that we underperformed expectations, and I believe it's totally unreasonable to expect every unit to play it's best game every week. Plus, the Rams DL did not look like a 0-4 DL. They played really great when we weren't attacking them in the running game.

Two of the turnovers we had, IMO, were a result of the success we were having. Cooley was trying to get YAC, something that he's very good at, and got the ball stripped. Campbell could have fallen on the bad snap from Rabach, but the way Campbell had been playing, if he had fielded it cleanly, don't you just believe that we would have found an open WR? I feel that way.

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[quote=GTripp0012;489125]We expected to blow the Rams out today, and the way the defense played [B](although they dropped two very easy INTs)[/B], you would have thought we beat them 20-3.

Now, the offense did get consistently beaten by the Rams in pass protection. But that's the ONLY place that we underperformed expectations, and I believe it's totally unreasonable to expect every unit to play it's best game every week. Plus, the Rams DL did not look like a 0-4 DL. They played really great when we weren't attacking them in the running game.

Two of the turnovers we had, IMO, were a result of the success we were having. Cooley was trying to get YAC, something that he's very good at, and got the ball stripped. Campbell could have fallen on the bad snap from Rabach, but the way Campbell had been playing, if he had fielded it cleanly, don't you just believe that we would have found an open WR? I feel that way.[/quote]

This is a big problem. Turnovers, as we know from being on both ends of it now, win and lose you ball games. We've dropped by my count 6 gimmie INTs this year. Blache in general has put together good defensive game plans thus far, but our LBs and DBs have got to work on their hands drills.

As far as your point about Campbell, yeah, I feel like he would have either found a WR or scrambled had he fielded it cleanly, but he's got to be aware of the situation. We were losing in a game where we could ill afford further mistakes. Romo seems to pull that crap all the time (fumbling and trying to pick it up rather than falling on it), and it seems like it hurts the Cowboys most of the time. Hard to give JC too much shit, but next time I'd prefer he just fall on it, unless we're in totally dire straits.

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[quote=GTripp0012;489118]Turnovers, yes. Was Carlos Rogers looking past them when he shut down Torry Holt? Was the defensive front looking past them when they pressured and hit Bulger all day making him cower after his throws? Did Portis and the OL overlook the Rams when they were chewing out 5+ yards per carry? Was Pete Kendall overlooking the Rams when he tried to advance a pass he caught?

We did MOST things on the field today just as well as we had been doing them over our first 5 games. We simply 1) turned the ball over too much, and 2) did not protect the quarterback vs. a very impressive pass rush.

Neither of those things constitutes overlooking the Rams. I agreed with you that we probably outplayed them, but they played well enough on defense to keep a single fluke touchdown as the margin of victory.[/quote]

I wholeheartly agree, I hate the pundits that were saying "oh the Redskins overlooked the Rams" or "they were too confident". The Redskins played a decent game save for the turnovers, and the Rams played very well in the second half against a superior team.

Well I rather have a trap game now than later in the season. I must say that the Redskins don't do well with success, and well they won't be the target anymore. The pundits will now overlook our team, drop them from their rankings.

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[quote=skinsfan69;489039]I just think that somewhere down the line this loss is going to come back and bite us in the ass. It's a conference loss and anyway you look at it, we can't lose to the Rams at home.[/quote]The Saints are clearly a better team than the Rams, but are we really better off had we not come back on the Saints, but happened to hold off the Rams?

Perhaps with the tiebreakers, but our luck is going to be all over the place throughout the year.

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[quote=GTripp0012;489116]Sorry, not buying that lame-ass excuse.

What evidence do you have to support the fact that certain players on the team were overconfident heading into this game? Do you have any names of players who played well below what we would expect from them?

I think there are legitimate analytical reasons for the loss today, but we don't need that half-ass media excuse garbage on this board.[/quote]

Did you see the special teams play or lack off. Mistakes by the OL, giving 4 sacks to the Rams? How about the dropped passes by Randle-El and Moss, Yoder (lack of concentration) Campbell looked confused at times or maybe it was the lack of pass protection. Like someone said, it was a trap game and a lack of concentration and execution, why not go after them when their secondary was weak and weaker after Manning got hurt. This is a good team that just had a bad game, every team goes thru that. Look at the Cowboys and yes, mark my words the Giants are going down tomorrow night.

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It's also important to remember that the Rams roster has talent scattered throughout it, and has merely been hampered by the simultaneous decline of Holt, Pace, and Bulger. Holt and Bulger were basically non-factors in this one, but outside of them and piss poor blocking that the Rams have become known for, their talent had a really strong day. I think Steven Jackson played really well, Leonard Little and Pisa Tinoisamoa were strong, and Chris Long might have had a breakout day with a fumble recovery.

So yeah, we got beat by a team that isn't that good, but they are probably better than the next two teams we will play.

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[quote=GTripp0012;489156]It's also important to remember that the Rams roster has talent scattered throughout it, and has merely been hampered by the simultaneous decline of Holt, Pace, and Bulger. Holt and Bulger were basically non-factors in this one, but outside of them and piss poor blocking that the Rams have become known for, their talent had a really strong day. I think Steven Jackson played really well, Leonard Little and Pisa Tinoisamoa were strong, and Chris Long might have had a breakout day with a fumble recovery.

So yeah, we got beat by a team that isn't that good, but they are probably better than the next two teams we will play.[/quote]

Don't underestimate the Browns, they have more talent than the Rams and Lions combined and will beat the Giants tomorrow night

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;489155]Did you see the special teams play or lack off. Mistakes by the OL, giving 4 sacks to the Rams? How about the dropped passes by Randle-El and Moss, Yoder (lack of concentration) Campbell looked confused at times or maybe it was the lack of pass protection. Like someone said, it was a trap game and a lack of concentration and execution, why not go after them when their secondary was weak and weaker after Manning got hurt. This is a good team that just had a bad game, every team goes thru that. Look at the Cowboys and yes, mark my words the Giants are going down tomorrow night.[/quote]We dropped passes against the Eagles and the Giants. Did we overlook them?

I agree that we got beat by an inferior team, but I think the phrase trap game also implies that we were looking past that, and that obviously wasn't the case. We didn't play our best game, but we both could have predicted us to be less than perfect in this game. It's important to make this distinction: we didn't lose because the Rams [I]outplayed [/I]us, we lost because we got careless with ball security. Phrases like "trap game" and overlooking the opponent imply that we would have been more careful to protect the ball if we weren't playing the Rams. That, of course, makes no sense, because none of the turnovers came on plays in which we made a stupid mental mistake. It just sort of happened that we fumbled, and then fumbled again and again. There's really no sort of coaching adjustment to be made.

The Cowboys lost on the road to a team that might actually be better than them. At least, the Cardinals looked better against us on our home turf than the Cowboys did on theirs. We'll see about the Giants, but there would REALLY need to be a bunch of fluky stuff, and Derek Anderson would have to get lost on his way to the stadium to close the gap in talent between the two teams.

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You were just waiting to make this thread weren't you?

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[quote=cpayne5;489077]The Skins lost the Giants game. ;)[/quote]
yeah yeah, i think I had an itchy keyboard finger

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;488976]The skins are the same team they were 4 hours ago (pretty good) they just got complacent and let the headlines get to their fat heads. Now that they are back to reality hopefully they won't repeat the same mistake of under estimating the opponent.[/quote]


Nice post, did anyone think you were'nt going to lose another game?I don't know if it will be the Browns but the Giants will lose some games it will happen, you just need to be patiant.

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Uh....I'm not a betting man but I would almost bet my next paycheck(which is small) that we hear from Sally Jenkins this week. Just a feeling.

Giantone....you are correct. I was not niave enough to think we would not lose a game, it's just I was hoping it would be against an opponent with a winning record. I just didn't want us to be the ones who lost to the Rams. I knew they would get their first one just hoping it wouldn't be us. Like the Dolphins of last yr. lol.

The only solice I had was the fact that Dallas lost keeping the records the same. This week I am a Brown fan....beat Giants. Sorry Giantone. The hole Division is hoping the Giants lose so they don't get out of reach.

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[quote=GTripp0012;489116]Sorry, not buying that lame-ass excuse.

What evidence do you have to support the fact that certain players on the team were overconfident heading into this game? Do you have any names of players who played well below what we would expect from them?

I think there are legitimate analytical reasons for the loss today, but we don't need that half-ass media excuse garbage on this board.[/quote]

You probably don't consider this evidence but...

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2008/10/portis_says_skins_were_too_loo.html#more]Portis Says Skins Were Too Loose - D.C. Sports Bog[/url]

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[quote=SBXVII;489170]Uh....I'm not a betting man but I would almost bet my next paycheck(which is small) that we hear from Sally Jenkins this week. Just a feeling.

Giantone....you are correct. I was not niave enough to think we would not lose a game, it's just I was hoping it would be against an opponent with a winning record. I just didn't want us to be the ones who lost to the Rams. I knew they would get their first one just hoping it wouldn't be us. Like the Dolphins of last yr. lol.

The only solice I had was the fact that Dallas lost keeping the records the same. This week I am a Brown fan....beat Giants. Sorry Giantone. The hole Division is hoping the Giants lose so they don't get out of reach.[/quote]

I think SJ had already said she's going to be writing something this week, according to the thread Matty started last week

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I know just seems convenient. I wonder if its pro or con....I'm betting con.

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I honestly can't get too upset about this loss. We know exactly why they lost, the 3 turnovers killed them, simple as that. Going by some of the player comments after the game I think it's obvious some guys started to believe the hype a bit and perhaps weren't as focused as they needed to be. Just gotta brush this one off and use it as a learning experience going forward.

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[quote=Mattyk72;489184]I honestly can't get too upset about this loss. We know exactly why they lost, the 3 turnovers killed them, simple as that. Going by some of the player comments after the game I think it's obvious some guys started to believe the hype a bit and perhaps weren't as focused as they needed to be. Just gotta brush this one off and use it as a learning experience going forward.[/quote]

While all 3 turnovers were bad, only one of them absolutely hurt us. How hard is it to fall down after you've made a catch? Olinemen have as much business trying to run with the ball as I do walking in Southeast.

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The Kendall fumble was a 10 point swing. We were driving for at least 3 and THEY got 7! Fumbles were eventually going to happen, and they just happened everytime we were driving for scores, so they really hurt.

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[quote=Angry;489186]While all 3 turnovers were bad, only one of them absolutely hurt us. How hard is it to fall down after you've made a catch? Olinemen have as much business trying to run with the ball as I do walking in Southeast.[/quote]

Dumb move by Kendall but it was such a freak thing. How often does a lineman have a ball land in their hands? Kendall did the wrong thing but I can't get too upset over it.

The other turnovers might not have led to scores but they were lost scoring chances, so they still hurt.

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[quote=Mattyk72;489189]Dumb move by Kendall but it was such a freak thing. How often does a lineman have a ball land in their hands? Kendall did the wrong thing but I can't get too upset over it.

The other turnovers might not have led to scores but they were lost scoring chances, so they still hurt.[/quote]

Yes, but if you take away 7 points from the Rams, we win. You a right though all three were on drives we could have scored on. IDK, maybe I am still in disbelief.

At least the Cowgirls lost. Now only if Cleveland can give us some help tonight. I doubt it, but hey we lost to the Rams so anything is possible.

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[quote=GTripp0012;489125]We expected to blow the Rams out today, and the way the defense played (although they dropped two very easy INTs), you would have thought we beat them 20-3.

Now, [B]the offense did get consistently beaten by the Rams in pass protection. But that's the ONLY place that we underperformed expectations[/B], and I believe it's totally unreasonable to expect every unit to play it's best game every week. [/quote]


GTripp,
That is certainly not true.
Our kicking game was horrible,
Kickoffs out of bounds, punting? punt coverage, kickoff coverage?
Hell, the kicking game plus turnovers seemed to give them the ball at midfield to start....I consider major kicking blunders almost as bad as a turnover.
As we learned from Shottenheimer, field position and defense can win games.
The defense was solid....
But, who won the coaching?
Saunders knew what to expect on that last play and he knew who which receiver would have the nickle back and they threw to him.
It is true that the Skins essentially shut down the running game and even the passing game all day, but awesome field position always kept the Rams 1 big play away from victory.

The only reason we shouldn't seriously consider cutting Brooks at this point is because the Skins have not groomed a backup QB as holder.
As I said in preseason, they should have done this to give them more flexibility with who to keep as punter....now, we are kinda stuck with this guy that may take a half a season to figure it out....if he keeps it up, we just may lose a game because of him....
And I love Swishy but, hasn't he kicked out of bounds twice this year?
I am not sure, but that is inexcusable.
What is worse is the special teams coaching, why even try a corner kick if your kicker struggles with that?...last game they pooched one late giving the opposition the ball at the 40...and what the hell is with the coverage units?
I say put every LB on the squad in there, something is definately wrong.

Fumbles happen.
2 of 3 of them shouldn't have if the skins fell on them...and they would have won because of it....this is basic.

Kicking coverage teams stink right now...and that is a major factor in why we lost.

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[quote=skinsfan69;489039]I just think that somewhere down the line this loss is going to come back and bite us in the ass. It's a conference loss and anyway you look at it, we can't lose to the Rams at home.[/quote]

Yeah agreed. The "lets get over it and look ahead to the Browns" might be an approach some want to take for now. But that doesn't mean I can't still be pissed off! IMO Pete Kendall screwed us BIG time! Yes there are other reasons we lost. But that was what changed the game.

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The Skins saw was a combination of pride and desperation can do. However, the Rams didn't win this ball game, the Skins lost it. Mental errors and mistakes cost the Redskins the game.

Hopefully they can look past it, sure up the mistakes, and play focused next week.

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[quote=BDBohnzie;489261]The Skins saw was a combination of pride and desperation can do. However, the Rams didn't win this ball game, the Skins lost it. Mental errors and mistakes cost the Redskins the game.

Hopefully they can look past it, sure up the mistakes, and play focused next week.[/quot

Not to be a dick about what you said but some people on here were mad because Dallas and the Eagles wouldn't admit defeat. They kept saying something along the lines of ....." The better team didn't win," "The Redskins didn't win the game Dallas gave it away."

I know you probably were not one of the ones complaining about the not showing the Skins respect theory but we can't have it both ways. They beat us. They used a little ingenuity by getting into our heads and taking us out of our game but they did it. They won. Lets move on.

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[quote=GTripp0012;489125]We expected to blow the Rams out today, and the way the defense played (although they dropped two very easy INTs), you would have thought we beat them 20-3.

Now, the offense did get consistently beaten by the Rams in pass protection. But that's the ONLY place that we underperformed expectations, and I believe it's totally unreasonable to expect every unit to play it's best game every week.[B] Plus, the Rams DL did not look like a 0-4 DL. [/B] They played really great when we weren't attacking them in the running game.

Two of the turnovers we had, IMO, were a result of the success we were having. Cooley was trying to get YAC, something that he's very good at, and got the ball stripped. Campbell could have fallen on the bad snap from Rabach, but the way Campbell had been playing, if he had fielded it cleanly, don't you just believe that we would have found an open WR? I feel that way.[/quote]

Simultaneously our O-line did not look like a 4-1 line in pass protection...

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Execution Execution Execution.

Uh....I mean they poorly executed NOT that we should execute any of the players...well...maybe...no...no....not that

I saw good effort but just all around poor execution and lack of concentration. That can be fixed. They proved they can do it already this year and hopefully they will learn from this....another cliche I know...but...sometimes they fit.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;489157]Don't underestimate the Browns, they have more talent than the Rams and Lions combined and will beat the Giants tomorrow night[/quote]

I guess I called that one.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;489630]I guess I called that one.[/quote]And here, sir, is your crow.

Nice call.

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[quote=skinsnut;489205]GTripp,
That is certainly not true.
Our kicking game was horrible,
Kickoffs out of bounds, punting? punt coverage, kickoff coverage?
Hell, the kicking game plus turnovers seemed to give them the ball at midfield to start....I consider major kicking blunders almost as bad as a turnover.
As we learned from Shottenheimer, field position and defense can win games.
The defense was solid....
But, who won the coaching?
Saunders knew what to expect on that last play and he knew who which receiver would have the nickle back and they threw to him.
It is true that the Skins essentially shut down the running game and even the passing game all day, but awesome field position always kept the Rams 1 big play away from victory.

The only reason we shouldn't seriously consider cutting Brooks at this point is because the Skins have not groomed a backup QB as holder.
As I said in preseason, they should have done this to give them more flexibility with who to keep as punter....now, we are kinda stuck with this guy that may take a half a season to figure it out....if he keeps it up, we just may lose a game because of him....
And I love Swishy but, hasn't he kicked out of bounds twice this year?
I am not sure, but that is inexcusable.
What is worse is the special teams coaching, why even try a corner kick if your kicker struggles with that?...last game they pooched one late giving the opposition the ball at the 40...and what the hell is with the coverage units?
I say put every LB on the squad in there, something is definately wrong.

Fumbles happen.
2 of 3 of them shouldn't have if the skins fell on them...and they would have won because of it....this is basic.

Kicking coverage teams stink right now...and that is a major factor in why we lost.[/quote]Okay, I can give you the kicking/punt coverage being awful, and it's a very good point. But that was a big issue vs. the teams we beat as well, and we did play well enough to overcome it.

I agree that field position makes a big difference in how many points you score/give up, but the biggest problem in field position was the turnovers. Punt coverage was important, but secondary.

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