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[quote=Mattyk72;506753]Jansen seems to be taking the brunt of this but let's face it he's not the only guilty party here. With Samuels I'm willing to give him some slack due to him playing with a bad knee, and Kendall has generally been pretty solid. Rabach, Thomas, and Jansen/Heyer have all had their moments of shitty play.[/quote]

Agreed, but we can fix one of those problems with a young upcoming tackle in Heyer right now. Heyer can actually block speed rushers and stand up the bull rushers. Jansen can't do it like that no more. His last injury really hurt him. Heck, I'm even surprised he was able to come back from that. Because that picture they showed of that ankle...............I'm not a mathematician, but that spelled ouch in 27 different languages.

I love Jansen he really anchored that part of the line for us for many years. He played through injuries while shutting down Michael Strahan, Julius Peppers, and other top noch pass rushers. But, if Campbell really is the fifth most sacked quarterback in the league we got to do something too change that. I don't care if we keep Jansen on the line, but we should place Lorenzo Alexander on the line next to Jansen. Then Cooley or Yoder next to Samuels or Alexander. Something must be done!

Portis' great pass blocking skills, even when he's hurt, has forced teams to blitz the outside a heck of alot more. And with Jansen playing the way he is and Samuels playing on a bumb knee.............defenses are just licking their chops! It seems as if that part is always open for a quick pressure by the defense when they need to bring it. And we can't let that continue.

We can't let Campbell continue to get hit the way he has been. Our offense will sputter and we will lose against the Ravens, and definetly against San Fran, and maybe even the Bengals too! Marvin Lewis knows how to bring pressure. And he's going to want too go out with a bang. I can't see a better way then to beat your former team, which hired a dumbass college coach over you.

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I don't recall Heyer playing all that well when in the lineup either, so I'm really not sure if he's a real solution to anything right now.

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[quote=SBXVII;506777]Am I the only one who noticed that the whole O-line started it's downward spiral when Buges left for his family emergency and has not recovered since? Whether it's technique or execution...lol. I'm not sure but the whole line has sucked since then.


I know Buges is back but just wonder if he lost his zing for coaching or are the players simply blowing him off?[/quote]No, you're not the only one trying to simplify all the problems with our offensive line into a single event, unfortunately.

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The funny thing is the perfect position for Jansen right now might be left guard. Few of us doubt the fact that Jansen is a mauler when it comes to run blocking (a fact that many Jansen bashers know but fail to mention when talking about replacing him) however a lot of us will agree that he has struggled in pass protection. Left guard is a position that is important in the run game (though not as important as right guard) and at the same time the left guard usually gets the most help from the center when it comes to pass protection. Of course I don't know what the teams plans are for Kendall and Rhinehart after this year but I do think it's interesting to consider the fact that Jansen might be a perfect fit at LG.

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How good is Jansen in pass protection? I think the answer for any Redskin fan can be summed up in one simple observation. Renaldo Wynn, cast off from the Skins for being completely and totally ineffective as a pass rusher (and this being relative compared to the rest of the Skins' d-line) beat Jansen for a sack last weekend. Wynn ... the 34 year old, twice cut, Redskin reject cruised past Jansen. That's how good Jansen is in pass protection. He's a pass rushing slug with 25 sacks in 11 pro seasons, averaging slightly more than 2 per season. He has one this season ... against Jansen. No blitz, no stunt, no nothing except a straight up dash past Jansen on his way to sacking Campbell.

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[quote=Brokenstriker;507155]How good is Jansen in pass protection? I think the answer for any Redskin fan can be summed up in one simple observation. Renaldo Wynn, cast off from the Skins for being completely and totally ineffective as a pass rusher (and this being relative compared to the rest of the Skins' d-line) beat Jansen for a sack last weekend. Wynn ... the 34 year old, twice cut, Redskin reject cruised past Jansen. That's how good Jansen is in pass protection. He's a pass rushing slug with 25 sacks in 11 pro seasons, averaging slightly more than 2 per season. He has one this season ... against Jansen. No blitz, no stunt, no nothing except a straight up dash past Jansen on his way to sacking Campbell.[/quote]

Thanks for making your way over Brokenstriker. Brokenstriker is a long time poster where Tom and I have been over the past 8 or 9 years and will provide some outstanding comments and opinions!

Good point on Wynn.

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[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2008/11/26/DI2008112603359.html"]JLC gives an interesting observation[/URL] on Stephon Heyer in his Post Live chat today.

[quote]From talking to guys on defense who see him in practice, they tell me that they can't bank on Heyer being a definite as a starting tackle in this league. He still has leverage issues, his backside gets too high, and he lacks Jansen's drive in the run game.

If Heyer was a given he'd be in there. Now, to me they're reaching a point where you might want to play the kid against some serious defenses and get a clearer idea (and does Rinehart ever see the field, just got a look-see to self scout). With the playoffs still a possibility (though a long playoff run looking highly doubtful to me), they may reach a point soon where they go with some youth and start, to, gasp, dare I ever say it, rebuild? You know, like every other pro sports franchise has had to do at one time or another.[/quote]

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i agree with that post. sooner or later you have to take your lumps, and find out if the kid can play. but the skins are still in it, so i don't see it happening just yet

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Jansen is going to continue to take the brunt of the criticism because of the positin that he plays. He is on the edge and if you can't protect the edges in pass game, then you are hosed. Not only that, he let Kiwanuka blow right by him to nail Portis on that 4th down play.

Jansen is easily the worst of the starting 5 and if you are looking to improve that group, then that is where you should start.

The two guards are the least of our worries right now, IMO.

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Once Heyer is 100% healthy, play him. Jansen moves to C or stays on as depth next year, his cap hit is too huge to absorb next year.

We loaded up on skill positions in the draft this year, expect to reload the OL / DL /LBs in April. JC will probably get an extension in the off-season and we have a solid foundation moving forward to 2009/2010.

Buges probably retires after this year.

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The main point: lots of right tackles in this league are worse than Jansen, even with all the room to improve.

We should have made the switch at the beginning of November before the Steelers game, but now that we're this late in the season, I think we have to ride it out with Jansen. The damage done to the right side of the line in pass protection communication would be greater with Heyer in there than the one on one matchups we lose with Jansen in there will cost up.

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There may be better , hahaha, there are many RT better than Jansen, younger, quicker, get paid less, and can pass protect too.
RT is not the hardest spot to play on the line, its fair to point fingers at the weakest link on the line. Jansen is fair game to any scrutiny he receives. His feet are cemented in cinderblocks. If maybe he would take the time to improve himself and get in shape he wouldn't be a laughing stock. How many times does he escape to Michigan and go hunting ?? He needs to be in the weight room not just in a room waiting being slow. But lose him after this year. Jon at this point in the season is on par with Wade last year and Jon is a veteran to this line years more so too.

Jon can run block but if all he brings to the table is being a mauler against CB's than we aren't missing anything in letting him go we need someone to get to the next level after flatenning a DE or LB.

Heyer can pass block better but that youth and his Wookie genetics prevailing.

Zorn is faced with the horrible task of renovating this OL b/c we are way aged and Samuels/Thomas are strong points about halfway IF AT BEST to retiring so we really need a miracle to fix that.