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I don't see how McRage compares to calling someone a towelhead. Not even in the same ballpark.

Who knew a stupid name could get someone so riled up. LOL that was too easy.

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[quote=Mattyk72;495365]I don't see how McRage compares to calling someone a towelhead. Not even in the same ballpark.

Who knew a stupid name could get someone so riled up. LOL that was too easy.[/quote]

You don't see it, but let's say I think it [B]is[/B] in the same "ballpark." So what? What if someone thinks McRage is incredibly offensive? I guess they're overreacting and they have no sense of humor, right?

It would appear the line of reasoning goes something like this: McRage isn't offensive because I say it is. Towelhead is offensive because I say it is.

This really just highlights the epidemic of lousy thinking in this country: the complete inability for anyone to get outside their own sheltered little bubble of a life and see the world through the eyes of someone else. Believe it or not there are more opinions out there beyond what shows up on The Daily Show and SNL, as hard to believe as that may be.

Funny you think I'm riled up ;) Though I suppose operating on the same line of reasoning as before, I must be riled up because you say I am, right?

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Based on one name you sure are making a ton of generalizations and assumptions. But I guess that just highlights the epidemic of lousy thinking in this country as you say.

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[quote=Mattyk72;495377]Based on one name you sure are making a ton of generalizations and assumptions. But I guess that just highlights the epidemic of lousy thinking in this country as you say.[/quote]

I had to assume your line of reasoning because no other contrary evidence was offered. I asked a question, your response was "I don't see how McRage is in the same ballpark as towelhead." Your statement is either one of opinion, in which case the ignorance is rhetorical ("I don't see how") , or you're genuinely claiming ignorance. I suppose a third option is that you meant it literally and you actually have some kind of vision problem that would prevent you from seeing the "ballpark" where this takes place. As far as I know you are an otherwise intelligent person, so based on the principle of charity I'm going to ignore the second and third option and assume you were making a statement of opinion. Therefore I can really only conclude that you deem "McRage" appropriate and "towelhead" inappropriate based solely on your personal opinion. As long as you're providing your opinion, I might as well offer up a contrary opinion, right? We can throw around contrary opinions that are based on nothing but personal preference all day long and never get anywhere. That was kind of the point.

If you'd like to explain how "towelhead" is different from "McRage" from a societal, cultural, anecdotal or empirical standpoint I would be more than happy to hear it. "I don't see how" simply isn't an argument.

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[quote=mheisig;495385]I had to assume your line of reasoning because no other contrary evidence was offered. I asked a question, your response was "I don't see how McRage is in the same ballpark as towelhead." Your statement is either one of opinion, in which case the ignorance is rhetorical ("I don't see how") , or you're genuinely claiming ignorance. I suppose a third option is that you meant it literally and you actually have some kind of vision problem that would prevent you from seeing the "ballpark" where this takes place. As far as I know you are an otherwise intelligent person, so based on the principle of charity I'm going to ignore the second and third option and assume you were making a statement of opinion. Therefore I can really only conclude that you deem "McRage" appropriate and "towelhead" inappropriate based solely on your personal opinion. As long as you're providing your opinion, I might as well offer up a contrary opinion, right? We can throw around contrary opinions that are based on nothing but personal preference all day long and never get anywhere. That was kind of the point.

[B]If you'd like to explain how "towelhead" is different from "McRage" from a societal, cultural, anecdotal or empirical standpoint I would be more than happy to hear it. "I don't see how" simply isn't an argument[/B].[/quote]

I didn't think it needed an explanation as I thought it was pretty obvious. Perhaps I was wrong in my assumption. Towelhead is generally considered offensive as it's commonly used in a deragatory manner towards Muslims or those of Arab origin. McRage is a joke about McCain's temper, and he has a well documented record of being a hothead. It was meant to be a joke, while towelhead is a racial and religious slur.

If you would like to offer up an opinion as to why you feel McRage is equally as offensive as towelhead, I'm all ears.

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[quote=hooskins;495299]And by attacks I mean:
-Ayers
-Acorn
-"terrorist"(not his attack, but he should go farther to call out some of his crazy supporter)
-and now this "socialism" bullshit. It isn't spreading around wealth, if you tax more and put those dollars into things like schools, infrastructure, etc.

I dont see why people think Obama is going to take money from the rich, and go to the inner city an give that money directly to the poor. That is just a fabrication by the McCain campaign and it is bullshit. Very low.

I think the majority of educated America realize this and they are just sick of it.[/quote]
Well maybe Obama can say it better. Not so low when your man admitts that is what he wants to do.
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LOL are you kidding firstdown? Just a few pages back you said

[QUOTE]No I'm not watching another one of your videos. You made the statement so back it up.[/QUOTE]

And now you're posting a clip to make your point? Wow.

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I'll go ahead and call Joe the Plumber a first class retard...hope no one is offended.

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[quote=Mattyk72;495397]LOL are you kidding firstdown? Just a few pages back you said



And now you're posting a clip to make your point? Wow.[/quote]

Hey no double standards here. I asked someone to explain their point. I was just making a point about what some said by showing Obama's actual words. You could humor me some sense its the first clip I have been able to get to post like this.

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[quote=saden1;495401]I'll go ahead and call Joe the Plumber a first class retard...hope no one is offended.

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Whats worse is the quote from the socialist Obama's view.
quote "If you spead the wealth around its a good thing"

Wow, who else have these same type of words come from?

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[quote=Mattyk72;495391]I didn't think it needed an explanation as I thought it was pretty obvious. Perhaps I was wrong in my assumption. Towelhead is generally considered offensive as it's commonly used in a deragatory manner towards Muslims or those of Arab origin. McRage is a joke about McCain's temper, and he has a well documented record of being a hothead. It was meant to be a joke, while towelhead is a racial and religious slur.

If you would like to offer up an opinion as to why you feel McRage is equally as offensive as towelhead, I'm all ears.[/quote]

Now see, that's the kind of thinking I can get behind!

For the record I never claimed I thought calling Obama a "towelhead" was appropriate, I merely suggested it given the apparent pattern of calling McCain names with which nobody has a problem. Either way they're both juvenile.

And I completely agree that "towelhead" does tend to be more offensive than "McRage" and for all the reasons you stated. See, that wasn't so hard, was it?

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What's really sad to me is that McCain prior to gearing up for this Presidential run really was a Senator who could reach across the aisle and cut through the BS. Since he tacked right in the primaries and brought on the Rovies, it's been nothing but name-calling and nonsense. The fact that we are debating over which is worse, McRage or Towel head, is well, nuts. The economy is is the tank. We've got armies in 2 very nasty parts of the world. China and India are emerging powers. Russia is resurgent. Health care is a mess. The housing market has collapsed, taking with it the equity of millions of Americans.

You can see why McCain is losing in the polls--Rovian 'business as usual' is not flying this time. And it's too late for McCain to change course. Too bad--if McCain had picked a decent centrist running mate, tacked to the CENTER (as he obviously should have in this election climate), and run an issue-based campaign, he just might have won. And I wouldn't have really minded that--it would have confirmed what has been best about John McC this last 20 some years. But he didn't. This is his bed, now he's got to lie in it. Maybe he'll pull off the big upset. But the country will be damaged from his campaign in any event, IMHO.

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[quote=Mattyk72;495335]McCain is many things, but a retard? Pretty harsh.[/quote]

Ask saden what he thinks

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[quote=Mattyk72;495259]It's totally ridiculous... and those that can't see it amaze me, or maybe they just refuse to see it which is probably worse. He's all over the map on issues from one minute to the next. I'm for tax cuts, now I'm against them, now I'm for them, I'm for gay marriage, now I'm not, now I am... etc.[/quote]

But let's not act like Obama, or any successful politician, has had the same stance throughout their career on every issue.

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[quote=SmootSmack;495452]But let's not act like Obama, or any successful politician, has had the same stance throughout their career on every issue.[/quote]

Oh I know, I'm not saying that at all. With McCain it's just insane how back and forth he goes so quickly. I've honestly never seen something so bizarre.

So much for straight talk

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioy90nF2anI]YouTube - John McCain vs. John McCain[/ame]

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[quote=SmootSmack;495452]But let's not act like Obama, or any successful politician, has had the same stance throughout their career on every issue.[/quote]

I'd be terrified by anyone who was so close minded they would never recognize when they were in error and change their position.

I have no problem with either candidate refining their position and articulating the evolution of their beliefs. The hair trigger cries of "flip flopper" are really over done by both sides.

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[quote=mheisig;495462]I'd be terrified by anyone who was so close minded they would never recognize when they were in error and change their position.

I have no problem with either candidate refining their position and articulating the evolution of their beliefs. The hair trigger cries of "flip flopper" are really over done by both sides.[/quote]

I agree, one of the worst things you could want from a leader is stubbornness and inflexibility.

The flip flop term is so played out I don't think it even fazes people anymore.

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[quote=Mattyk72;495457]Oh I know, I'm not saying that at all. With McCain it's just insane how back and forth he goes so quickly. I've honestly never seen something so bizarre.

So much for straight talk

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioy90nF2anI]YouTube - John McCain vs. John McCain[/url][/quote]

Didn't you post this video already? Or was that saden?

Either way, the problem is really that McCain really hasn't changed all that much. I mean in the sense that "straight talk" was always about "Hey, let's sit down and talk. And I'll give it to you straight what I'm thinking (at this moment, on this circumstance)." And everyone said wow that's great, a politician who doesn't feed me tired lines. The point of view might change over time, but that's straight talk. "I said a few months ago this, that, and the other...but I don't feel the same anymore. Here's why." But that doesn't fly when you're running for President.

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[quote=SmootSmack;495466]But that doesn't fly when you're running for President.[/quote]

Not if he's not your candidate of choice.

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[quote=firstdown;495409]Whats worse is the quote from the socialist Obama's view.
quote "If you spead the wealth around its a good thing"

Wow, who else have these same type of words come from?[/quote]

Err, I reckon you meant to spell "spread" rather than "spead" or at least that's what I'm going to assume here.

Who else has said this kind of thing? Most notably in my opinion is Warren Buffet. You may have heard he is one of the richest guys in America (well, depending on how much he's already given to charity). He is also the most modest, decent and wholeheartedly progressive member of America's billionaire club. Buffet has openly said countless times 1) the estate tax ought to be set where it was before Bush lowered it 2) the wealthy ought to be paying [B]more [/B]taxes than they are today 3) the middle class and working class (which is really now the working poor) have not gotten a fair shake for a quarter century. But nothing he says is more poignant than the simple point he's consistently made about how deeply wrong it is for his secretary to be taxed at a higher [B]rate[/B] than he, a multi-billionaire, is taxed.

But here's what I'd like someone to explain. When Buffet tells you and I that he thinks it's right for the rich to pay more taxes and the rest to pay less, how the hell does anyone not so fortunate to be truly rich say "thanks, but no thanks." First of all, I understand most of the rich have neither the integrity nor the courage to speak up the way Buffet has - most are simply thinking about their own self interest and nothing more and that's just human nature. But when regular folks support massive tax breaks and/or elite welfare for corporations and the richest Americans I just find myself speechless. I suppose these folks just hope they become billionaires one day and are thinking ahead so they don't get taxed too much down the road. Now that's f'ing retarded IMHO.

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[quote=Mattyk72;495457]Oh I know, I'm not saying that at all. With McCain it's just insane how back and forth he goes so quickly. I've honestly never seen something so bizarre.

So much for straight talk

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioy90nF2anI"]YouTube - John McCain vs. John McCain[/URL][/quote]

Well as of now I have heard Obama say anyone making under 250,000 will not see their taxes go up. Last night and just recently he said people making under 200,000. Biden in an interview set the bar at $150,000. So which one is it?

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My thoughts on wealth redistribution: It's acceptable, within reason.

The U.S. Government has a right to tax it's citizens as it sees fit, but as this is true, the citizens have the right to take their wealth and leave the country if the government adopts unfair taxing practices. Obviously, a mass exodus of per capita wealth hurts the economy far more than an imperfect tax bracket system.

If/when Obama is elected president, this might be his biggest challenge in his first few months on the job. Throughout the election process, Obama has seen no issue in establishing a divide between the wealthy and the "working class". Unfortunately, he cannot be a successful president unless he can come to middle ground with the people who have most of the money.

If Obama tries to implement his reformed tax brackets without coming to a consensus with the wealthy...I think you can all see where this will lead.

Good points by The Goat on Warren Buffett, but understand that pleasing Buffett is far easier than pleasing most of the people of similar financial status. It's not the government's money he's dealing with.

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[quote=GTripp0012;495667]My thoughts on wealth redistribution: It's acceptable, within reason.

The U.S. Government has a right to tax it's citizens as it sees fit, but as this is true, the citizens have the right to take their wealth and leave the country if the government adopts unfair taxing practices. Obviously, a mass exodus of per capita wealth hurts the economy far more than an imperfect tax bracket system.

If/when Obama is elected president, this might be his biggest challenge in his first few months on the job. Throughout the election process, Obama has seen no issue in establishing a divide between the wealthy and the "working class". Unfortunately, he cannot be a successful president unless he can come to middle ground with the people who have most of the money.

If Obama tries to implement his reformed tax brackets without coming to a consensus with the wealthy...I think you can all see where this will lead.

Good points by The Goat on Warren Buffett, but understand that pleasing Buffett is far easier than pleasing most of the people of similar financial status. It's not the government's money he's dealing with.[/quote]

Good post. I do think this will be a challenge, but remember that whatever Obama wants he must get through Congress. My guess is that you'll get some provisions helping upper bracket folk there--pushed by dems in the Senate (surprise, surprise, both sides care about rich folk!)--at the cost of a (hopefully) temporary swelling of the deficit. I doubt that there will be a mass exodus: there's still too much money to be made, even at 39%. We had rates WAY above that in the 40's and 50's and things boomed and the rich made lots of money (as did everyone else). But the current economic crisis will alter the plan, IMO, and the dem fatcats will throw a bone to their wealthy patrons. C'est la vie. It will still be better than McBush's trickle down. (All this is assuming Obama wins, of course--and that hasn't happened yet!)

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[quote=firstdown;495551]Well as of now I have heard Obama say anyone making under 250,000 will not see their taxes go up. Last night and just recently he said people making under 200,000. Biden in an interview set the bar at $150,000. So which one is it?[/quote]

Hey, this is all about "Change," so who cares if we pick an actual number? In fact, if that target keeps moving, shifting and adjusting, I say "bravo" for the change!

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When Neil Crapvoodoo (sp?) is giving you the business the world must be out of order:

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