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[quote=firstdown;495630]Funny how when its Obama changing his mind its OK with you but if its McCain you point that out as a reason not to like or vote for him.[/quote]

Not quite, but aren't you doing the same thing? :doh:

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[quote=Mattyk72;495669]Not quite, but aren't you doing the same thing? :doh:[/quote]
How could I be doing the same thing if you say you not doing it. LOL

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[quote=saden1;495590]
3. [B]Like him or not Obama is a genius.[/B] He basically [URL="http://saos.nictusa.com/saos/searchao?SUBMIT=ao&AO=604"]planned ahead[/URL] to make sure whatever he decded he was covered under the law.
[/quote]

Does your shoulder get numb when you talk about Obama? You know, from the blood loss?

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;495700]Does your shoulder get numb when you talk about Obama? You know, from the blood loss?[/quote]
hahaa, took me a bit to figure out

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nothing wrong with getting " excited" about your candidate:)

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;495540]Tears? really? Are we talking about a politician or a member of the Jonas Brothers?[/quote]

I hate the Jonas brothers. Btw, I'm 22. Not 13.

Excuse me if I find the plight and strength of other people moving. [I]I forgot that Republicans are soulless creatures.[/I] (Note the sarcasm)

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[quote=DynamiteRave;495743]I hate the Jonas brothers. Btw, I'm 22. Not 13.

Excuse me if I find the plight and strength of other people moving. [I]I forgot that Republicans are soulless creatures.[/I] (Note the sarcasm)[/quote]

I'm ignoring your sarcasm and am now offended. Ok, not really. No offense with my earlier comment, just shocked that anyone buys that much of what either of these guys is saying. Maybe I'm jaded, but I just can't get worked up either way. I've got my opinions, but in general I think those that get too far down the path of hero worship are in for a huge letdown.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;495750]I'm ignoring your sarcasm and am now offended. Ok, not really. No offense with my earlier comment, just shocked that anyone buys that much of what either of these guys is saying. Maybe I'm jaded, but I just can't get worked up either way. I've got my opinions, but in general I think those that get too far down the path of hero worship are in for a huge letdown.[/quote]

You're also a guy. I don't expect guys to fall for it or older experienced women, for example LadyB. But I'm still a college girl, I'd fall the same way if a Republican who held at least some of my core values said the same thing.

After someone seriously ruins politics for me, I'll end up as jaded as everyone else.

And no problem with the earlier comment. :grouphug:

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[quote=DynamiteRave;495753]You're also a guy.[B] I don't expect guys to fall for it[/B] or older experienced women, for example LadyB. But I'm still a college girl, I'd fall the same way if a Republican who held at least some of my core values said the same thing.

After someone seriously ruins politics for me, I'll end up as jaded as everyone else.

And no problem with the earlier comment. :grouphug:[/quote]

<cough> saden <cough>

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;495754]<cough> saden <cough>[/quote]

lol there are always exceptions to the rule!

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I don't buy the bullish, I just hate the cruel shit. I'm just a cool kid, on that robin hood shit. Taking from the rich, giving to the poor kids. Don't be a hater chip, if you got an itch scratch that bitch. Get at me dawg.

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Quote From Saden:
3. Like him or not Obama is a genius. He basically planned ahead to make sure whatever he decded he was covered under the law.

4. He get's the majority, 97% I beileive, of his money from small donors. Why handicap yourself my limiting the reach of your message when you don't have to? Even if you look at it from the "bright side" he's saving tax payers money and he's not accountable to any big interest lobbyists.

It seems that while Obama has said we need campain finance reform he has done little to track where he receives his donations.
[URL="http://www.nypost.com/seven/10272008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/dubious_donations_135428.htm?page=0"]DUBIOUS DONATIONS - New York Post[/URL]

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He is going by the law, now I would like to see the law changed so that every donation whether it's $2 or over $200 is reported. As they say sunshine is the best disinfectant for that is ill.

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thats a pretty weak defense for obama going back on his word saden. his intent was to accept it until he thought he could actually win. just weak.

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[quote=saden1;495860]He is going by the law, now I would like to see the law changed so that every donation whether it's $2 or over $200 is reported. As they say sunshine is the best disinfectant for that is ill.[/quote]
Well not everyone shares your thoughts and he seems to be turning a blind eye to what he does not want to know. Why would he choose not to use the AVS system which screens donations. Instead they have their own system which makes it almost imposable to track who is giving what to his campain. Thats why all those people can give made up names and adresses and still have their donation processed. When they try it with McCain its rejected. This comes from a man who claims he wants all this reform and this is probably the reason he went back on his word for public financing. If you cannot track donations what stops someone from just giving and giving sums of money under $200 under different names?The answer is nothing. On top of that a bunch of the donations are coming from those gift credit cards which make it even tougher to trace.

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[quote=That Guy;495867]thats a pretty weak defense for obama going back on his word saden. his intent was to accept it until he thought he could actually win. just weak.[/quote]

There's a difference between what people are accusing him of and what he said and did. Saying he's "going back on his promises/pledge/word" simply inaccurate. Do you at least agree that he left the door open to the possibility that he would decline public financing?

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[quote=saden1;495873]There's a difference between what people are accusing him of and what he said and did. Saying he's "going back on his promises/pledge/word" simply inaccurate. Do you at least agree that he left the door open to the possibility that he would decline public financing?[/quote]
He said he would have open discussions with the McCain camp on the rules but he changed his mind before the two had any meetings. So yes he did lie and I think he never had any intentions at all to use public financing.

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who have you decided to vote for saden?

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[quote=firstdown;495872]Well not everyone shares your thoughts and he seems to be turning a blind eye to what he does not want to know. Why would he choose not to use the AVS system which screens donations. Instead they have their own system which makes it almost imposable to track who is giving what to his campain. Thats why all those people can give made up names and adresses and still have their donation processed. When they try it with McCain its rejected. This comes from a man who claims he wants all this reform and this is probably the reason he went back on his word for public financing. If you cannot track donations what stops someone from just giving and giving sums of money under $200 under different names?The answer is nothing. On top of that a bunch of the donations are coming from those gift credit cards which make it even tougher to trace.[/quote]


What's your point? That he is committing a crime? That he is cheating the system? He's playing by the standards and as I have said I don't like the standards.

Let's not even talk about McCain who has his own set of donation problems [URL="http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/10/lots_of_anonymous_mccain_donor.php"]revealed inadvertently[/URL] by the morons that work for him who botched a simple publicity stunt meant shame/force Obama into releasing his donor list.

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[quote=SmootSmack;495883]who have you decided to vote for saden?[/quote]


I decided long ago that I would be voting for Obama. I can't stand McCain on the grounds of his policies and incompetence. I simply hate incompetent people and right now McCain is standing on top of the Shiny Hill of Stupidania all alone with Palin and the rest of the crew half way to the top.

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Obama's recent [URL="http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/07/17/274143.aspx"]comment[/URL] regarding the kind of judges he wants also [URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/parking-lot/17738-whats-your-pet-peeve-16.html#post392025"]softened me up[/URL] a bit on him:

[quote]"We need somebody who's got the heart, the empathy, to recognize what it's like to be a young teenage mom. The empathy to understand what it's like to be poor, or African-American, or gay, or disabled, or old. And that's the criteria by which I'm going to be selecting my judges."

-Obama [/quote]

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[quote=saden1;495885]What's your point? That he is committing a crime? That he is cheating the system? He's playing by the standards and as I have said I don't like the standards.

Let's not even talk about McCain who has his own set of donation problems [URL="http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/10/lots_of_anonymous_mccain_donor.php"]revealed inadvertently[/URL] by the morons that work for him who botched a simple publicity stunt meant shame/force Obama into releasing his donor list.[/quote]

I would hope that he is not knownly breaking the law but I do feel that he is turning a blind eye and would perfer not to know. Why else would you remove from your own site security checks that the typical business or organization would use to verify the person using the credit card? Why would you not use the standard AVS system to track donations? Why would he be receiving all these donations on these gift credit cards which is hard to trace who purchased or used them? These are valid questions which will either never be answered or answered after the election. For a man who claims he wants all these reforms he seems to be running a pretty loose ship when it comes to donations.

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[quote=saden1;495893]I decided long ago that I would be voting for Obama. I can't stand McCain on the grounds of his policies and incompetence. I simply hate incompetent people and right now McCain is standing on top of the Shiny Hill of Stupidania all alone with Palin and the rest of the crew half way to the top.[/quote]

I thought you were off his bandwagon?

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/481751-post40.html[/url]

But I guess he's not the "wanker trying to get his" anymore?

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/455906-post1.html[/url]

And it's interesting how you can stand McCain's policies now

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/453637-post15.html[/url]

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/438209-post2.html[/url]

I understand these are just two issues, but I think it illustrates that when it comes down to it, even the brightest minds care less about where they stand on issues than their general impression of the candidates.

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SmootSmack, if you don't mind my asking, who will you be voting for?

I'm only curious because your responses on the political threads seem to be the most balanced, thoughtful viewpoints of any. For the life of me I still can't figure out where you're coming from, though I may have just missed an obvious post along the way.

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[quote=saden1;495898]Obama's recent [URL="http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/07/17/274143.aspx"]comment[/URL] regarding the kind of judges he wants also [URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/parking-lot/17738-whats-your-pet-peeve-16.html#post392025"]softened me up[/URL] a bit on him:[/quote]

I thought a judges job was to interpet the law and not make law.

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[quote=saden1;495898]Obama's recent [URL="http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/07/17/274143.aspx"]comment[/URL] regarding the kind of judges he wants also [URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/parking-lot/17738-whats-your-pet-peeve-16.html#post392025"]softened me up[/URL] a bit on him:[/quote]

Funny you'd pick that quote because that's precisely one of the reasons I won't vote for Obama.

I think the composition of the Supreme Court and the appointments a president gets to make is one of the most crucial factors come election time.

Someone who is going to base judge appointments on emotion and empathy scares the living daylights on me. I want experience, reason, rationale and the guts to make tough decisions, not someone who is going to vote based on some empathetic emotional whim.

There's a lot of factors that would go into making a good judge, empathy being one of many. For Obama to seemingly highlight that as the only one that's important scares me.

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[quote=mheisig;495919]SmootSmack, if you don't mind my asking, who will you be voting for?

I'm only curious because your responses on the political threads seem to be the most balanced, thoughtful viewpoints of any. For the life of me I still can't figure out where you're coming from, though I may have just missed an obvious post along the way.[/quote]

You kidding? I'm a Republican. Best believe I'm voting for...Obama

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/492503-post27.html[/url]

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/474168-post539.html[/url]

I don't know that I explicitly say Obama there but I explain my concerns with voting for McCain. I also think that even if McCain were to win now, he would likely be a one-term President.

My feeling is that 8 years ago, the Democrat party said "Just wait, in 4 years we'll get back what's rightfully ours after being robbed in the 2000 election" And then in 2004, they just embarassed themselves ("led" by John Kerry) when the opportunity to return to the White House was there for the taking. The Democratic party needs a win to restore some pride and positive reputation to the party.

Meanwhile, the Republican party I believe would actually be best served by a loss that will serve as a wake-up call that people are pissed and things need to change.

I will vote for Obama, and hope he does well. But I also hope it makes the Republican party stronger down the road.

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saden, your defending him like a defense trial laywer.. i guess it depends on what your definition of "is" is.

I mean really, he agreed in spirit that he would, and then, once it came down to it, he jumped ship. And i mean, despite his speeches, his actual track record is to vote straight democratic 97% of the time. He's just about as far left as you can get.

I'm not a huge fan of mccain's pandering or his choice of palin (and i'm not voting for either btw), but his track record is 85% republican party line voting, which is at least a bit more moderate, and there is a chance he could go back to the guy from 2000 once in office.

not that it matters, since your bias has been insanely one sided since this whole thing began, but neither one of them is crapping roses, and there's a good chance once obama gets elected that a lot of people may end up disappointed after his term is done.

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isn't a supreme court justice's job to interpret and enforce the constitution? im not sure what experience, and guts have to do with it?

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[quote=SmootSmack;495918]I thought you were off his bandwagon?

[URL]http://www.thewarpath.net/481751-post40.html[/URL]
[/quote]

I am off the Obama bandwagon but I [URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/parking-lot/25122-if-the-election-was-held-today.html#post474778"]despise McCain[/URL]...what is your point? I no longer volunteer for Obama nor do I donate any money to him any more. Perhaps I shouldn't defend him against falsehoods and invalid accusations?

[quote=SmootSmack;495918]
But I guess he's not the "wanker trying to get his" anymore?

[URL]http://www.thewarpath.net/455906-post1.html[/URL]
[/quote]

I still think he's still a wanker trying to get his but he does have the right ideas when it comes a lot of other [URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/parking-lot/25661-vice-presidential-debate-thread-6.html#post485042"]issues I care about[/URL]. Again, what is the problem?

[quote=SmootSmack;495918]
And it's interesting how you can stand McCain's policies now

[URL]http://www.thewarpath.net/453637-post15.html[/URL]

[URL]http://www.thewarpath.net/438209-post2.html[/URL]

I understand these are just two issues, but I think it illustrates that when it comes down to it, even the brightest minds care less about where they stand on issues than their general impression of the candidates.[/quote]

LOL...what part of what I wrote offends sensibility? If McCain stands up today and says I plan to appoint Liberal justices who support liberal ideals to the Supreme Court I'll like the plan too.

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[quote=That Guy;495937]saden, your defending him like a defense trial laywer.. i guess it depends on what your definition of "is" is.

I mean really, he agreed in spirit that he would, and then, once it came down to it, he jumped ship. And i mean, despite his speeches, his actual track record is to vote straight democratic 97% of the time. He's just about as far left as you can get.

I'm not a huge fan of mccain's pandering or his choice of palin (and i'm not voting for either btw), but his track record is 85% republican party line voting, which is at least a bit more moderate, and there is a chance he could go back to the guy from 2000 once in office.

not that it matters, since your bias has been insanely one sided since this whole thing began, but neither one of them is crapping roses, and there's a good chance once obama gets elected that a lot of people may end up disappointed after his term is done.[/quote]

I always knew I would make a fantastic lawyer. Obama certainly did some calculating, that doesn't necessarily mean he lied or reneged on promise.

With respect to voting 97% of the time with democrats, well, not all ideas are equal, some ideas are in fact better than others. McCain can vote 100% republicans but he should make sure he's voting for good ideas people can get behind...lord knows if you don't, well, you just might not become president.

My bias (preference seems like a better choice if you ask) is fully explain and rationalized in my post. If anything isn't clear, I'll be happy to clarify.

I have said it before, with Obama, I'm hoping for the best, expecting the worst. Whatever happens know that saden will be good to go.

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[quote=saden1;495940]I am off the Obama bandwagon but I [URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/parking-lot/25122-if-the-election-was-held-today.html#post474778"]despise McCain[/URL]...what is your point? I no longer volunteer for Obama nor do I donate any money to him any more. Perhaps I shouldn't defend him against falsehoods and invalid accusations?



I still think he's still a wanker trying to get his but he does have the right ideas when it comes a lot of other [URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/parking-lot/25661-vice-presidential-debate-thread-6.html#post485042"]issues I care about[/URL]. Again, what is the problem?



LOL...what part of what I wrote offends sensibility? If McCain stands up today and says I plan to appoint Liberal justices who support liberal ideals to the Supreme Court I'll like the plan too.[/quote]

I just think it's interesting that you mention your frustrations with Obama in passing while still voting for him, by the same token you mention where you agree with McCain in passing while focusing on his "incompetence"

I mean, in my opinion, the minute you wrote your the Republican base is all about guns, greeds, gays and God reminds you of an odious tampon I sort of figured your posts moving forward would be as balanced as Buster's or 70Chip's. Which honestly let me down.

Oh well, you're still cool in my book. Just disappointed with the shift in your political threads to what strikes me almost as one-sided anger

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[quote=dmek25;495938]isn't a supreme court justice's job to interpret and enforce the constitution? im not sure what experience, and guts have to do with it?[/quote]

Because accurately and intelligently interpreting the constitution would require some substantial legal experience and the ability to make tough decisions when asked.

Would you like to appoint some kid fresh out of law school who can't decide what he wants for dinner to the Supreme Court? Of COURSE experience and integrity/guts/will is required. :doh:

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[quote=mheisig;495922]Funny you'd pick that quote because that's precisely one of the reasons I won't vote for Obama.

I think the composition of the Supreme Court and the appointments a president gets to make is one of the most crucial factors come election time.

[B]Someone who is going to base judge appointments on emotion and empathy scares the living daylights on me[/B]. I want experience, reason, rationale and the guts to make tough decisions, not someone who is going to vote based on some empathetic emotional whim.

There's a lot of factors that would go into making a good judge, empathy being one of many. For Obama to seemingly highlight that as the only one that's important scares me.[/quote]

Well, that's where we part ways. I believe it is essential that a judge be able to reconcile current law and a new issue facing the court. Without the ability to "[URL="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/empathy"]intellectually identify with or vicarious experience of feelings, thoughts, or attitudes of another[/URL]" a judge lacks the ability to make sound judgment necessary to resolve cases without precedence (what the Supreme Court routinely does).

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[quote=saden1;495954]Well, that's where we part ways...I believe it is essential that a judge be able to reconcile current law and a new issue facing the court. Without the ability to "[URL="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/empathy"]intellectually identify with or vicarious experience of feelings, thoughts, or attitudes of another[/URL]" they lack the ability to make sound judgment necessary to resolve cases without precedence (what the Supreme Court routinely does).[/quote]

Like I said, empathy is important - but it's one important trait amongst many.

Obama offered no other criteria (at least in that quote) and leads you to believe that his judge appointments will be based solely on whether the judge is empathetic or not.

Empathy is important, without a doubt. I would argue, though, that while it's important, it's certainly not THE most important or the only criteria by which a judge ought to be measured.

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[quote=saden1;495940]I am off the Obama bandwagon but I [URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/parking-lot/25122-if-the-election-was-held-today.html#post474778"]despise McCain[/URL]...what is your point? I no longer volunteer for Obama nor do I donate any money to him any more. Perhaps I shouldn't defend him against falsehoods and invalid accusations?



I still think he's still a wanker trying to get his but he does have the right ideas when it comes a lot of other [URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/parking-lot/25661-vice-presidential-debate-thread-6.html#post485042"]issues I care about[/URL]. Again, what is the problem?



LOL...what part of what I wrote offends sensibility? If McCain stands up today and says I plan to appoint Liberal justices who support liberal ideals to the Supreme Court I'll like the plan too.[/quote]
Saden if I'm correct you said at one time you despise Republicans in general. I could have you mixed up with another poster but I'm about 99% sure it was something you posted.

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[quote=firstdown;495957]Saden if I'm correct you said at one time you despise Republicans in general. I could have you mixed up with another poster but I'm about 99% sure it was something you posted.[/quote]

I despise the Republican Party platform, its leadership in congress, its presidential candidates and its "base" (the batshit crazy people). I don't have a problem with people like Dom Davis, John Warner, and Jeff Flake, my ex-girlfriend, etc, etc.

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I think it was Bill Maher that said the right wing "batshit crazy" types, you know the Jesus and guns people should just start their own party, because they are so far from what the Republican base used to be. Hopefully this election will be a wake up call for the Republicans to move away from those wackos. I'm not counting on it though.

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[quote=Mattyk72;495967]I think it was Bill Maher that said the right wing "batshit crazy" types, you know the Jesus and guns people should just start their own party, because they are so far from what the Republican base used to be. Hopefully this election will be a wake up call for the Republicans to move away from those wackos. I'm not counting on it though.[/quote]

Better hope McCain doesn't win, because all that's going to do is make the batshit crazy types cling stronger to the Republicans.

It's funny because I'm conservative on a lot of things such as spending and most notably crime and punishment (A Dem that favors the death penalty. Go figure) But its the crazy types that start bringing Jesus and gun control and all this other stuff that shouldn't matter as much into it and completely turns me off. Cause I could honestly care less about what people think about Jesus and guns. I'm cool with both.

Plus there's the stuff that I am liberal on like abortion, gay marriage, affirmative action, blah blah blah. That I just can't go right on. I wish there was some middle party I could vote for. I'd be totally down for that.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;495975]Better hope McCain doesn't win, because all that's going to do is make the batshit crazy types cling stronger to the Republicans.

It's funny because I'm conservative on a lot of things such as spending and most notably crime and punishment (A Dem that favors the death penalty. Go figure) But its the crazy types that start bringing Jesus and gun control and all this other stuff that shouldn't matter as much into it and completely turns me off. Cause I could honestly care less about what people think about Jesus and guns. I'm cool with both.

Plus there's the stuff that I am liberal on like abortion, gay marriage, affirmative action, blah blah blah. That I just can't go right on. I wish there was some middle party I could vote for. I'd be totally down for that.[/quote]

there's the libertarian party, but they're basically about privatizing social security and then a bunch of vague policy stands (cut entire governmental departments (pass more control back to states), protect privacy, equal rights)...