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[quote=Defensewins;503815]We barely beat a 2-8 team.
But my real point is.... it seems Pittsburgh, Dallas and Giants have shown the rest of the NFL our weakness on defense, namely our DE's are really weak against the run. Seattle who is not a good running team averaged 7 yards a carry. Luckily Seattle is stupid and only ran the ball 20 times.
But the numbers are not good, M. Morris only 14 carries for 103 yards and J. Jones 2 carries for 21 yards. Our DE's need to tighten up their chin straps because the remaining teams are going to try and exploit them.[/quote]

[B][I][U]We. Won. The. Game.[/U][/I][/B]

Geez, some of you guys are unbelievable. Too many soccer mom generation kids/Madden geniuses who never realized that teams sometimes don't always win and even if they do, they don't always look pretty doing it!

Do you guys get that even if we get killed by the Giants and Ravens-
IF we win 3 of our next 5 we've won 10 games, more than just about anyone realistically expected and will likely mean a playoff birth?
IF we win 2 of our next 5 games Jim Zorn will have won more games as a Redskins rookie head coach than anyone other than George Allen in 1971?
IF we win 1 of our next 5 games we would have reached .500 for back to back seasons for the first time since '00-'01 and just the second time since '92

Maybe playoffs isn't the P word we should focus on. Let's get some perspective!

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[quote=Mattyk72;503646]This year is much different than 2005 or 2007. We're not in must win mode at this point as we were in those years. 3-2 in these last 5 games would likely get us in.

And other than the Giants and Titans, there are plenty of teams facing a playoff push right now. I don't see what the big deal is.[/quote]Depends, though, on who we beat. 3-2 where we beat the Ravens, Bengals, and 49ers isn't getting us in. 3-2 where we beat the Giants, Eagles, and 49ers probably earns the 6th seed.

In most probabilities, it's going to take 11 wins this year. A 4 and 1 finish would keep us comfortably ahead of Dallas, and at least a game ahead of where the Falcons will end up.

3-2 puts is in a lot of nitty gritty tiebreakers for the 6th seed, and with the Cowboys, and Falcons planning on being right there, it doesn't seem all that likely to me that we could hold those tiebreakers.

Although, more optimistically, don't count out a total 1-4 collapse from Carolina, that would likely make our 10-6 record good enough. Tampa, Atlanta, and Dallas just aren't going away though.

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[quote=Paintrain;503906][B][I][U]We. Won. The. Game.[/U][/I][/B][/quote]I'm not sure this is all that relevant. Only up by three, we could have easily lost that game (especially the way the defense had been playing) in overtime without the offense ever getting another snap in. Which is scary. Because they were the Seahawks.

I'll defend Betts' propensity to suck in the clutch once a year as a crazy fluke, but with the way our offense had been dominating the second half, there's really no reason a team like the Seahawks should have needed to committ two turnovers in order to lose the game. But our special teams is awful, and our defense can't stop the run.

Those things must change. Well, the special teams at least have sucked all year, but the defense can't play poor gap discipline like they have been the last two weeks. They're not talented enough to play undisciplined like they have been. This team has two strengths: rush offense, and pass defense. That combination really allows for a lot of close scores with bad teams, because both teams find success on the ground, and no one puts it in the air. Very little margin for error, this allows.

If we had lost the game, PT, I don't think the arguments would be any different. Mine, at least, wouldn't be.

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I think, though, if one thing is clear, it's that: beat the Giants, and we're pretty much in the playoffs.

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[quote=Defensewins;503815]We barely beat a 2-8 team.
But my real point is.... it seems Pittsburgh, Dallas and Giants have shown the rest of the NFL our weakness on defense, namely our DE's are really weak against the run. Seattle who is not a good running team averaged 7 yards a carry. Luckily Seattle is stupid and only ran the ball 20 times.
But the numbers are not good, M. Morris only 14 carries for 103 yards and J. Jones 2 carries for 21 yards. Our DE's need to tighten up their chin straps because the remaining teams are going to try and exploit them.[/quote]Evans and Carter are actually the two guys in the front seven that should NOT be blamed for this defensive collapse. Golston has been non existent on the interior (and he was the single biggest key to our success before). Taylor absolutely sucks vs the run. Fletcher has really struggled these last two games. McIntosh hasn't really improved, and still overruns plays. Horton has been great, but Landry's run support has been crap. Rogers is rarely a factor, but his tackling has been less than impressive this year, which is surprising for the guy.

But yeah, there's your problems, and it has little to do with the ends.

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[quote=Paintrain;503906][B][I][U]We. Won. The. Game.[/U][/I][/B]

Geez, some of you guys are unbelievable. Too many soccer mom generation kids/Madden geniuses who never realized that teams sometimes don't always win and even if they do, they don't always look pretty doing it!

Do you guys get that even if we get killed by the Giants and Ravens-
IF we win 3 of our next 5 we've won 10 games, more than just about anyone realistically expected and will likely mean a playoff birth?
IF we win 2 of our next 5 games Jim Zorn will have won more games as a Redskins rookie head coach than anyone other than George Allen in 1971?
IF we win 1 of our next 5 games we would have reached .500 for back to back seasons for the first time since '00-'01 and just the second time since '92

Maybe playoffs isn't the P word we should focus on. Let's get some perspective![/quote]

Amen!
Only one team will win the SB this year leaving 31 other teams disapointed.

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[quote=GTripp0012;503929][B]I'm not sure this is all that relevant.[/B] Only up by three, we could have easily lost that game (especially the way the defense had been playing) in overtime without the offense ever getting another snap in. Which is scary. Because they were the Seahawks.

I'll defend Betts' propensity to suck in the clutch once a year as a crazy fluke, but with the way our offense had been dominating the second half, there's really no reason a team like the Seahawks should have needed to committ two turnovers in order to lose the game. But our special teams is awful, and our defense can't stop the run.

Those things must change. Well, the special teams at least have sucked all year, but the defense can't play poor gap discipline like they have been the last two weeks. They're not talented enough to play undisciplined like they have been. This team has two strengths: rush offense, and pass defense. That combination really allows for a lot of close scores with bad teams, because both teams find success on the ground, and no one puts it in the air. Very little margin for error, this allows.

If we had lost the game, PT, I don't think the arguments would be any different. Mine, at least, wouldn't be.[/quote]

In the grand scheme of things it's the only thing that matters.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;503715]Come on guys, we are in very good shape. Our D has held 8 of 11 teams under 20. The D plans around the other teams strength, and usually does a good to great job adjusting, the only notable exception was the Pitt game when Ben went out.
Our offense has to step up, but it is better than when we played the Giants the first time, so I think we will be good there too going down the stretch.
The only thing I absolutely agree with is that the Rams game really is going to be our Achilles heel this year, and I don't know if we can overcome it with all the other teams that are playing above par.

I REALLY wanted Carolina to win yesterday. :([/quote]


i didnt

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With the defense being #3 overall and #1 in the NFC. I feel good about their chances of getting in the playoffs and making some noise. However, the offense must pick up there end.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;503715]Come on guys, we are in very good shape. Our D has held 8 of 11 teams under 20. The D plans around the other teams strength, and usually does a good to great job adjusting, the only notable exception was the Pitt game when Ben went out.
Our offense has to step up, but it is better than when we played the Giants the first time, so I think we will be good there too going down the stretch.
The only thing I absolutely agree with is that the Rams game really is going to be our Achilles heel this year, and I don't know if we can overcome it with all the other teams that are playing above par.

I REALLY wanted Carolina to win yesterday. :([/quote]

Of the 3 games win which we allowed more than 20pts we won 2 of those. Our D has done its job, we just need the O to score TDs when inside the redzone and make FGs that are normally made.

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A good team is going to be kept out of the playoffs. We're competing with Carolina, Tampa, Atlanta, and Dallas for the last two playoff spots. Right now, I'd say we have a 50-50 shot of making the playoffs.

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I wouldn't count out the Saints yet either. They seem to be getting hot at the right time. Brees was amazing last night.

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[quote=Mattyk72;503991]I wouldn't count out the Saints yet either. They seem to be getting hot at the right time. Brees was amazing last night.[/quote]

Good point. All in all, I'm pretty damn happy with the season. I'd like to see our offense improve, but we're a very respectable team and I only see things getting better as Zorn, Campbell and our young receivers continue to develop. But, we've got a tough road to hoe if we want to make the postseason.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;503989]A good team is going to be kept out of the playoffs. We're competing with Carolina, Tampa, Atlanta, and Dallas for the last two playoff spots. Right now, I'd say we have a 50-50 shot of making the playoffs.[/quote]


A lot of those other teams i.e. NO, ATL, TAM and CAR will be knocking each other off. Also, I would not be surprised if SEA beats DAL this Thanksgiving.

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I think NO plays ATL, Tam, and Car. If they win all three of those, that can only help us.
We need to win our games, and we will get in, really it is that simple though.

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[quote=SBXVII;503872]Lets talk about a team that won't make it ....lol....the Eagles. Someone told me that after McNoodle got benched he cheared and clapped when the opposing team intersepted the ball. Did anyone else see this also?[/quote]

I saw it. Kobb threw a pick and the camera went to McNabb...standing with his jacket on, applauding.

What a jerk.

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Here you go...30-second mark.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80cc4d4a]NFL Video Galleries[/url]

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[quote=Buster;504048]I saw it. Kobb threw a pick and the camera went to McNabb...standing with his jacket on, applauding.

What a jerk.[/quote]

That highlight was talked about last night on ESPN (or maybe CBS) and McNabb was cheering on Kolb (i.e., the "we'll be alright, we'll get them next time refrain), not clapping like an a-hole.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;504054]That highlight was talked about last night on ESPN (or maybe CBS) and McNabb was cheering on Kolb (i.e., the "we'll be alright, we'll get them next time refrain), not clapping like an a-hole.[/quote]

While I agree McNabb wasn't cheering for the Kolb INT, he was standing there offering no encouragement most of the time, and was even caught on camera yawning a few times, sulking around with his head down.

Yawning? Really? I'm sorry Donovan, is the demise of you, your team, and your coach boring you? I'm tired of him.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;504054]That highlight was talked about last night on ESPN (or maybe CBS) and McNabb was cheering on Kolb (i.e., the "we'll be alright, we'll get them next time refrain), not clapping like an a-hole.[/quote]

Yes, Donovan has never shown himself to be an a-hole before. :rofl:

You a closet Eagles fan? ;)

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;504054]That highlight was talked about last night on ESPN (or maybe CBS) and McNabb was cheering on Kolb (i.e., the "we'll be alright, we'll get them next time refrain), not clapping like an a-hole.[/quote]

Indeed. I've grown to hate McNabb strictly because of his general success as the starting QB for a team I hate, but the fact is that he's pretty much been a stand-up guy since he's been in this league. You could probably count with one hand the number of players in the NFL who would actually go so far as to deliberately applaud their own team's misfortune in a game, and McNabb is not one of those players. C'mon.

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[quote=Buster;504059]Yes, Donovan has never shown himself to be an a-hole before. :rofl:

You a closet Eagles fan? ;)[/quote]

Donovan has shown the world that he isn't the same QB that he was a few years ago, didn't know games could end in ties, and may be a little sensitive to criticism, but, to my knowledge, he's never acted like an a-hole in public.

I'm not Eagles fan by any means, but I have respect for Reid and McNabb, notwithstanding whatever shortcomings they may each have.

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Bottom line is we can't worry about what everyone else does. In order to be a playoff team we're going to have to take care of business, like we did last year. That probably means going 4-1 down the stretch. But if we don't make it the one game that's going to come back and bite us in the ass is the home loss to STL.

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[quote=skinsfan69;504104]Bottom line is we can't worry about what everyone else does. In order to be a playoff team we're going to have to take care of business, like we did last year. That probably means going 4-1 down the stretch. [B]But if we don't make it the one game that's going to come back and bite us in the ass is the home loss to STL[/B].[/quote]

I've been saying that since the second it happened. There are too many good teams in the NFC this year to lose games like that and expect to succeed.

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[quote=Mattyk72;503991]I wouldn't count out the Saints yet either. They seem to be getting hot at the right time. Brees was amazing last night.[/quote]

And we beat them, which could prove huge at the end of the year

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These next 2 games will be tough. I like our chances though. I didn't really like putting us in prime time against the Ravens because of how we been playing in prime time this year. If you think about it though, we gotta win one of these prime time games, and I believe the time is now now! About the Giants game, we gotta play them physical and keep the game close.

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[quote=SmootSmack;504215]And we beat them, which could prove huge at the end of the year[/quote]

True, I think they'll probably lose this week to Tampa anyway and will probably finish around .500. Brees is great but they're just too pass happy and that D isn't great either.

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ESPN blogs has a good breakdown of the NFC South teams schedules here:
[url=http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nfcsouth/0-5-165/A-look-at-the-NFC-South-road-to-the-playoffs.html]ESPN - A look at the NFC South road to the playoffs - NFC South[/url]

Here's my wishlist for the NFC South:
NO goes 4-1, only losing to Chicago
Tampa goes 2-3, losing to NO, Carolina, and Atlanta
Carolina goes 3 - 2 losing to Giants, NO
Atlanta goes 3-2 losing to SD, NO
that would give Carolina an 11-5 record
and everyone else 10-6 fun tiebreaking that!!!

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I'm rooting for the Arizona Cardinals and the rest of the West to win as many games as possible as that would help increase our strength of schedule when it comes to tiebreakers against the NFC South. My friend is getting nervous though now considering the Redskins are just ahead of the Falcons in the standings, when I explained to him that it was most likely due to strength of schdule. I mean I like the Falcons to but part of me just wishes they could win the damn division so I wouldn't have to worry about kicking them out of the playoffs.

However I bleed maroon and black and if the cost of a Redskins playoff spot is the Falcons staying at home for the playoffs then so be it. Plus I don't think my friend realizes how good our team is at making playoff runs in the closing weeks of the season and with the aniversary of Sean Taylors death I expect nothing less then an emotional win against the Giants. Also if you guys remember back in 05

[I]His (Wellington Mara) team honored him after his death by defeating the team he always viewed as the Giants' biggest (and oldest) rival, the Washington Redskins, 36-0 at Giants Stadium. The 80,000 fans in attendance gave his mention a standing ovation.[/I]

Hopefully we can accomplish a similar feat this weekend.

Also while I'm at it, do our NFC East foes count twice when it comes to our strength of schdule?

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Looking back on this season to date, it's hard to take the Rams loss which we should've won, and also the second Dallas game where they only scored 14 points but still Washington lost. That's two more wins we should have had for a 9-3 record. We need more offense or it won't matter if we get to the playoffs or not. It ws fun watching the early season (after the Giants opening game), but these last few weeks have been horrible. JC needs to make quicker decisions when he's throwing the ball. What happened to those passes to Cooley for 20 - 30 yards downfield? He dumps off to Cooley for 5 - 7 yards now. The Redskins look totally disorganized, and sometimes Jansen isn't even blocking anybody.

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[quote=Paintrain;503583]Do you think Dallas or Atlanta is going 4-1 down the stretch or Minnesota is going 5-0? Otherwise it won't matter as long as we get to 10 wins. We will have tiebreaker advantages over all of them if we finish 10-6.[/quote]
I definitely agree. Most of these teams are playing each other head to head in the last few games this season. I dont think Dallas will make the play-offs honestly. There remaining games are against Pitt, NYG, Bal, Phil.

[B]Atlanta[/B] has to face NO, Tampa Bay & Minnesota. Not to mention all these teams are trying to getin the play-offs also.

[B]Minnesota[/B] has to face Arizona, Atlanta & NYG.

If we can win out or atleast lose only one game. We still might have a good chance to make it into the play-offs.

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I'm really disappointed in the way the Redskins look the same every week. What's the point in getting into the playoffs if we can't compete with the really good teams during the season?

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I really think all this talk of playoffs is B.S. I wan't to see this team get better... I will be in Cincy next week to see this team and I don't have illusions of this team making a push like years past cause like other here stated, this year there are a lot of good teams in the NFC. And we are not one of them yet!

We need and will get better! And it will start in Cincy!!!!

Better pas rush! Better pass blocking!!! Better overall organization of the offense!!! Just plain better!!!

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I’m sick of them. For as long as I can remember I’ve watched every game in its entirety- last night, after the landry interception and subsequent field goal, I turned the game off- I knew there was NO way we were coming back (short of several defensive touchdowns). If we lose their next 3 games (SF just beat the jets, Phili beat the giants and Cinci can score), and I think they will, I will consider not re-upping for my season tickets (in the decidedly less homey, FedEx Field for next year. I’m sick and tired of seeing them lose in the same manner, year in, year out.

1) Make poor draft and off season player signings

2) Start of the season OK

3) The rest of the league figures out how to stop’em (skins can’t score without the run)

4) The redskins don’t adapt or evolve (choosing to run the same plays, blaming execution), and dig themselves in a hole

5) Eek out a playoff birth and lose in the first round or miss it altogether.

If the definition of insanity (Einstein) is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result- perhaps we need to look at ourselves. Listen up Danny, it ain't working.

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Talk of the playoffs is just silly at this point. We have no business there this season.

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[quote=JLee9718;509290]I'm really disappointed in the way the Redskins look the same every week. [B]What's the point in getting into the playoffs if we can't compete with the really good teams during the season[/B]?[/quote]

Agreed!!!!!

Let's strip NY of the SB Trophy last year and give it to NE since they were undefeated in the regular season.

(Note I am not comparing us to the Giants)

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We need to throw the ball deep, even if no one is open. If Kelly were healthy, we might have a guy who could outleap everybody else and haul in a long pass. Let the wins and losses fall where they may. But we need more talent and it'll take several drafts.

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we got no chance everyone should stop blaming certain players for there mistakes its the hole team that sucks everythin is all red roses wen we are winning and portis is carving up defences but wen the shit hits the fan blame gets tossed around the locker room like a banana in a monkeys cage

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The "LOL" Iggles have a much better chance than the 'Skins at getting into the playoffs. I still like Zorn and I hope he's here for a long time.