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[quote=Takeuon;509394]How about being done for good. I never liked him and think he's an over rated waste of $
If you look back over the last few seasons and were able to review the film on all the times our QB's were rushed or sacked. His ass would be to blame for a HUGE percentage of them.[/quote]

You are wrong.

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Silver lining. - I guess Reinhart wasn't as far along as they wanted or hoped he would be. Based on what I had heard it was questionable whether he was going to be able to start for us next year anyways. Now they need to get him in there and get coached up. Nothing like game experience to fast foward the learning process.

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I say we put Heyer, Reinhart and Clark in the starting lineup and see what they can do. We have nothing to lose and a lot to gain, experience wise.

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Hip Hip WTF happened. Ouch.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;509468]I say we put Heyer, Reinhart and Clark in the starting lineup and see what they can do. We have nothing to lose and a lot to gain, experience wise.[/quote]

So who would you bench? Kendall or Thomas?

We have nothing to lose except Jason Campbell's health and a chance (albeit slim at this point) to make the playoffs.

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[quote=FRPLG;509462]Silver lining. - I guess Reinhart wasn't as far along as they wanted or hoped he would be. Based on what I had heard it was questionable whether he was going to be able to start for us next year anyways. Now they need to get him in there and get coached up. [B]Nothing like game experience to fast foward the learning process.[/quote][/B]
Could be a blessing in disguise. We need to see what we have in these guys and there's no better way to find out than playing them.

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[quote=GMScud;509471]So who would you bench? Kendall or Thomas?

We have nothing to lose except Jason Campbell's health and a chance (albeit slim at this point) to make the playoffs.[/quote]

Rabach. Screw the playoffs, we are not going to make it and if we do, we'll get our asses kicked. I hate to say it, but we are playing for next year.

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So what happened to Geisinger? I'd guess it was a pulled groin that happened when he was chasing the defenders he let go right past him.

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[quote=Buster;509477]So what happened to Geisinger? I'd guess it was a pulled groin that happened when he was chasing the defenders he let go right past him.[/quote]

Knee

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Another silver lining (grasping at straws here, fellas!): This will disavow anyone in the FO that we are close to being a serious contender. Build with young talent from the lines out. Be prepared for it to take some time. Stick with Zorn and see what he can do. Give JC another season but be ready with a backup plan. Learn who is worth keeping in these last few games. And stay "medium": 8-8/9-7 is a successful year, IMO.

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To bad Cincy signed Crummey.

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I'm hoping that Reinhart makes it into some games for more than a couple of plays between now and the end of the season for a fairly simple reason.

The Skins took 4 guys on the first day of the 2008 draft:

Kelly and Thomas at WR :(

Davis at TE :tongue:

Reinhart at OT/OG. :confused:


So far, Kelly, Thomas and Davis have contributed next to nothing to the team in 2008. They have loads of "potential" - - which is the polite way of saying they haven't done jack-sh*t yet. So, it will be interesting to see if Reinhart can play NFL football.


It is NOT a good team-building stategy to use all of your first-day draft picks on "projects". Some of those players need to be able to contribute something to the team in their rookie year beyond punt coverage and being the desingated pass-dropper when the ball hits you in the hands. :nono:


And so far, Reinhart is the only hope for making a positive contribution...

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[quote=JoeRedskin;509452]Well, for all those Samuels doubters out there, I guess we'll see just how "bad" he was. My guess is that, to all those but the most obstinate, we are going to see just how important Samuels was to this line.[/quote]

I'm afraid we're going to find out just how big the dropoff will be. Maybe then people will appreciate just how good he is.

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[quote=jamf;509453]This actually made me laugh out loud.
You and I might make a nice tackle/guard combo![/quote]
Can I play center?

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;509476]Rabach. Screw the playoffs, we are not going to make it and if we do, we'll get our asses kicked. I hate to say it, but we are playing for next year.[/quote]
You play to win the games.

Even if it is 10-6, 9-7, 8-8 or 7-9 and at home regardless.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;509452]Well, for all those Samuels doubters out there, I guess we'll see just how "bad" he was. My guess is that, to all those but the most obstinate, we are going to see just how important Samuels was to this line.[/quote]
Well the talent on D line that Samauls faced v/s what we have the next couple of weeks are pretty far apart. Even if they don't allow a sack it would be tough to judge if it was or was not CS playing.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;509510]To bad Cincy signed Crummey.[/quote]

Is he on their practice squad or on the team? We have 2 spots to fill on our PS.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;509510]To bad Cincy signed Crummey.[/quote]

I agee with that.

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[quote=firstdown;509527]Well the talent on D line that Samauls faced v/s what we have the next couple of weeks are pretty far apart. Even if they don't allow a sack it would be tough to judge if it was or was not CS playing.[/quote]

That is true.
I think it's funny how most everyone on here knows how bad our O-Line is. But when it comes to giving your opinion on Samuels all of a sudden he's the one of the best in the NFL!?? Why is it just because he happens to be [B]our[/B] best offensive lineman. That automatically makes him one of [B]the[/B] best??
Sure...He's not fully to blame for our offensive line meltdown...we could go into pages of threads to cover that topic. But he sure doesn't appear to be a leader for the line either. If you look at where most of the pressure has come from you will see it's generally from his side. Due to he's either getting over loaded or he just simply let the guy get around him. At times you can see he appears to not be playing to the level he should/could be. Not to mention he's highly penalty prone.

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[quote=Takeuon;509585]That is true.
I think it's funny how most everyone on here knows how bad our O-Line is. But when it comes to giving your opinion on Samuels all of a sudden he's the one of the best in the NFL!?? Why is it just because he happens to be [B]our[/B] best offensive lineman. That automatically makes him one of [B]the[/B] best??
Sure...He's not fully to blame for our offensive line meltdown...we could go into pages of threads to cover that topic. But he sure doesn't appear to be a leader for the line either. If you look at where most of the pressure has come from you will see it's generally from his side. Due to he's either getting over loaded or he just simply let the guy get around him. At times you can see he appears to not be playing to the level he should/could be. Not to mention he's highly penalty prone.[/quote]
Kendal and Samuels are good. Samuels has been playing on a bad knee requiring surgury, so he has not been himself. Still better than Heyer who proved that he sucks, in the game he started at left tackle.

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Some more news on the injury front-

I've mentioned before I have a friend who is a part time trainer for the Redskins. He's at Redskins Park every Monday helping in the weight room / training room. He told me Horton looked like he was in a lot of pain with his shoulder injury, and that Geisenger is done for the year with a torn meniscus. Shit.

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Hopefully this is what will make Vinny Cerrato wake the hell up on draft day when it comes to the offensive line.

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[quote=Takeuon;509585]That is true.
I think it's funny how most everyone on here knows how bad our O-Line is. But when it comes to giving your opinion on Samuels all of a sudden he's the one of the best in the NFL!?? Why is it just because he happens to be [B]our[/B] best offensive lineman. That automatically makes him one of [B]the[/B] best??
Sure...He's not fully to blame for our offensive line meltdown...we could go into pages of threads to cover that topic. But he sure doesn't appear to be a leader for the line either. If you look at where most of the pressure has come from you will see it's generally from his side. Due to he's either getting over loaded or he just simply let the guy get around him. At times you can see he appears to not be playing to the level he should/could be. Not to mention he's highly penalty prone.[/quote]

I've actually noticed much of the pressure coming from the offense's right side.

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[quote=FRPLG;509462]Silver lining. - I guess Reinhart wasn't as far along as they wanted or hoped he would be. Based on what I had heard it was questionable whether he was going to be able to start for us next year anyways. Now they need to get him in there and get coached up. Nothing like game experience to fast foward the learning process.[/quote]

The fact that Rhinehart is something of a bust makes me think the FO is just shitty when it comes to scoping trench talent. When we needed at least one very competitive back-up (behind an aging line) the FO takes a kid from AA ball, and to boot takes him several rounds before the scouts had placed him. Really, really discouraging. Some have pointed out Rhinehart was sort of a project - that's very nice if you've got a stockyard full on talent but [B]not when you've got jack shit behind the starters.[/B] For that matter, we just needed to aim for another starter to begin with. I hope the FO can vastly improve itself for the upcoming FA market and draft.

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[quote=The Goat;509679]The fact that Rhinehart is something of a bust makes me think the FO is just shitty when it comes to scoping trench talent. When we needed at least one very competitive back-up (behind an aging line) the FO takes a kid from AA ball, and to boot takes him several rounds before the scouts had placed him. Really, really discouraging. Some have pointed out Rhinehart was sort of a project - that's very nice if you've got a stockyard full on talent but [B]not when you've got jack shit behind the starters.[/B] For that matter, we just needed to aim for another starter to begin with. I hope the FO can vastly improve itself for the upcoming FA market and draft.[/quote]
Who says Rhinehart is something of a bust.

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[quote=Beemnseven;509637]Hopefully this is what will make Vinny Cerrato wake the hell up on draft day when it comes to the offensive line.[/quote]

I saw this posted in a comment on Redskins Insider today.

Miami's 2008 Draft (Parcells knows how to shop for groceries):

1st round: Jake Long - OT
2nd round: Merling - DE
3rd round: Langford - DT
4th round: Murphy - OT
6th round: Thomas - OG
7th round: Dotson - DE

After a 1-15 season last year, guess who the most improved team is this season? Granted Pennington is a big part of that, but The Tuna understands what butters the bread of successful NFL teams. The trenches baby.

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[quote=Takeuon;509407]Sorry....not going to convince me. I've watched him closely since we got him. Came out of the gate strong but since signing him in 2005 to the ridiculous amount of $47 million +$16 million signing bonus he has been mediocre at best in his position.[/quote]

Considering that Derrick Dockery got the same deal as an inferior guard, I don't know how you can possibly complain about Samuels' salary. It's an absolute bargain for a Probowl LT. Perhaps it is true that he's overrated, many have made that point, but who would you suggest replacing him with? My guess is that you are like a lot of other people on here who criticize any player on the team who isn't "elite," advocating cutting them without considering that you have to, you know, replace them with someone.

I think we are going to come to appreciate big Chris a little more over these last three games.

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Did anyone know that Miami's right guard is Ikechuku Ndukwe. He was on our team, originaly and went to the Ravens and they released him. Now he is starting for Miami.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;509692]Did anyone know that Miami's right guard is [B]Ikechuku Ndukwe.[/B] He was on our team, originaly and went to the Ravens and they released him. Now he is starting for Miami.[/quote]

I don't know if you spelled that right, but good for you if you did.

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[quote=GMScud;509701]I don't know if you spelled that right, but good for you if you did.[/quote]
I found out that he was playing when I looked at the Dolphins roster to see how many of those picks were starting and found half were. Pretty plain to see Parcels theory on how to build a team. Thanks for bring it to light GMScud.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;509681]Who says Rhinehart is something of a bust.[/quote]

Well jeez... his not dressing in a game was the first hint. The fact that we've had a mess at RT most of season w/o even a mention of him dressing until the injury situation became dire is a good second.

What r we to believe: we drafted an o-lineman in a middle round so that he could watch in street-clothes for a season and go from there? Sweeeeeeeeeeet!

(pardon the sarcasm but when our line situation has been deteriorating for years and the one guy we draft doesn't even suit up - i hope to God that isn't what the FO had in mind or else we're really in trouble.)

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Way too early to consider Rinehart a bust. He was a project coming out of college so it should be no big surprise that he's been riding the bench. Maybe in these last 3 games he'll get a look. Next year is when we'll really know what we have in him.

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[quote=Mattyk72;509710]Way too early to consider Rinehart a bust. He was a project coming out of college so it should be no big surprise that he's been riding the bench. Maybe in these last 3 games he'll get a look. Next year is when we'll really know what we have in him.[/quote]The fact that he's been inactive to this point doesn't mean anything. Of course if you have to pick a guy to finish a game, you'd rather have the veteran Fabini active.

It was weird that Fabini hadn't been active since the Dallas game though. It didn't seem likely that it would come back to bite us, but oh well.

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[quote=GTripp0012;509711]The fact that he's been inactive to this point doesn't mean anything. Of course if you have to pick a guy to finish a game, you'd rather have the veteran Fabini active.

It was weird that Fabini hadn't been active since the Dallas game though. It didn't seem likely that it would come back to bite us, but oh well.[/quote]

It took Fabini most of last season to get up to game speed IMHO, and even then we was not solid. What's he going to do w/ 3 games...

I don't want to sound like a broken record but again when the line situation has been deteriorating for a few years w/ aging starters and lousy back-ups, the idea of taking a lineman in the 3rd round who is nowhere near ready to take the field seems absurd. Maybe we'll all have to agree to disagree but my take is the FO thought Rhinehart would be able to make an impact if/when he was needed (obviously nobody expected him to start). Instead he had a very poor preseason and has not gained anyone's confidence. I'm chalking it up to a scouting error because I think (and really hope from a common sense perspective) that they intended to take a guy who could be of real help. Not a guy who wears jeans all sunday like me :)

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[quote=The Goat;509719]It took Fabini most of last season to get up to game speed IMHO, and even then we was not solid. What's he going to do w/ 3 games...

I don't want to sound like a broken record but again when the line situation has been deteriorating for a few years w/ aging starters and lousy back-ups, the idea of taking a lineman in the 3rd round who is nowhere near ready to take the field seems absurd. Maybe we'll all have to agree to disagree but my take is the FO thought Rhinehart would be able to make an impact if/when he was needed (obviously nobody expected him to start). Instead he had a very poor preseason and has not gained anyone's confidence. I'm chalking it up to a scouting error because I think (and really hope from a common sense perspective) that they intended to take a guy who could be of real help. Not a guy who wears jeans all sunday like me :)[/quote]Fabini was pretty darn good last year, albeit at Guard. I mean, we haven't really seen improvement at the position since Thomas has been healthy. I'm not sure if he can still handle OT, but he was a starter in Dallas but three years ago at RT.

I'm confident that Rinehart could play right now at RG if we needed him to, but I actually feel that we want more from him for this.

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I have mixed feelings on this .

Samuels no matter what the dunderheads on this board say is a top LT . But he has been slowed by that knee injury and simply not himself .. Normally he would be one of the OL men you would see everywhere but more often than not in the last couple of weeks he has been stood around in pain hands on hips .

It does essentially end our season . It ends the running game of Portis but I know I want the team to fight for every yard .

As for the Parcells comparison . Bill always builds the lines, but if you actually watched the Dolphins last year they were not as bad as they looked . I saw them play the Giants close, the Steelers to 3 point and actually beat the Ravens.

The Dolphins have been rebuilding their line for a number of years, adding Jake long often makes the OL better just like adding Samuels in 2000 made our offensive line good .

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[quote=GMScud;509684]I saw this posted in a comment on Redskins Insider today.

Miami's 2008 Draft (Parcells knows how to shop for groceries):

1st round: Jake Long - OT
2nd round: Merling - DE
3rd round: Langford - DT
4th round: Murphy - OT
6th round: Thomas - OG
7th round: Dotson - DE

After a 1-15 season last year, guess who the most improved team is this season? Granted Pennington is a big part of that, but The Tuna understands what butters the bread of successful NFL teams. The trenches baby.[/quote]

Merling is definitely someone I would have liked here. But, just out of curiosity, how much are those guys contributing this season?

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[quote=SmootSmack;509757]Merling is definitely someone I would have liked here. But, just out of curiosity, how much are those guys contributing this season?[/quote]

Without looking deeply into the playing time of any of these guys, I'd bet that after the 3rd round, none of those players are making that much of an impact. I could be wrong of course, that's straight speculation.

But still, you see the pattern. And no one can deny that Bill Parcells is a master at lifting teams out of the depths.

It's one of the rules known throughout football: You have to build up your lines first.

Vinny Cerrato, with Dan Snyder's approval has steadily ignored this rule. And we're seeing the results.

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[quote=Beemnseven;509769]Without looking deeply into the playing time of any of these guys, I'd bet that after the 3rd round, none of those players are making that much of an impact. I could be wrong of course, that's straight speculation.

But still, you see the pattern. And no one can deny that Bill Parcells is a master at lifting teams out of the depths.

It's one of the rules known throughout football: You have to build up your lines first.

Vinny Cerrato, with Dan Snyder's approval has steadily ignored this rule. And we're seeing the results.[/quote]

I just bring it up because A)it's likely that most of those guys have little to do nothing do with the Dolphins' improvement this season and b)why are we praising guys on other teams who have yet to contribute anything (in all likelihood, I don't know for a fact) yet are so quick to dismiss our own draft picks?

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[quote=GMScud;509684]I saw this posted in a comment on Redskins Insider today.

Miami's 2008 Draft (Parcells knows how to shop for groceries):

1st round: Jake Long - OT
2nd round: Merling - DE
3rd round: Langford - DT
4th round: Murphy - OT
6th round: Thomas - OG
7th round: Dotson - DE

After a 1-15 season last year, guess who the most improved team is this season? Granted Pennington is a big part of that, but The Tuna understands what butters the bread of successful NFL teams. The trenches baby.[/quote]


[quote=SmootSmack;509757]
Merling is definitely someone I would have liked here. But, just out of curiosity, how much are those guys contributing this season?[/quote]
Just an fyi:


1st round: Jake Long - OT played in all 13 games
2nd round: Merling - DE played in all 13 games 17 tackles
3rd round: Langford - DT played in all 13 games 26 tackles
4th round: Murphy - OT played in 0 games
6th round: Thomas - OG played in 0 games
7th round: Dotson - DE played in 2 games 1 tackle.