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[quote=FRPLG;510617]4th since 1967. They are 4 for 7. That is staggering.[/quote]
I never realized how bad it was in Il. and your right that is staggering. There are people who can bost that they voted for everyone of them in that short period of time.

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[quote=FRPLG;510616]What the heck does rich have to do with anything? That was a mindless comment.[/quote]
what do you think happens to me if i commit a crime? i go to jail, plain and simple. did he commit a crime? yes. is he in jail? no. what is so mindless about that?

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[quote=firstdown;510606]The Bears are rebuilding?[/quote]
just go with it............

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[quote=dmek25;510687]what do you think happens to me if i commit a crime? i go to jail, plain and simple. did he commit a crime? yes. is he in jail? no. what is so mindless about that?[/quote]

So what bothers you then is that he could afford to pay bail after being taken into custody to be charge with crimes he allegedly committed?

Whatever power he has to fill Obama's seat now is pretty much rendered moot now anyway. He's as lame duck as they come, even if by some miracle he is cleared of any wrongdoing. The stigma is there.

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what bothers me is the double standard. for some reason our judicial system is, and always will be, about the money

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[quote=dmek25;510697]what bothers me is the double standard. for some reason our judicial system is, and always will be, about the money[/quote]

In what way?

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[quote=dmek25;510687]what do you think happens to me if i commit a crime? i go to jail, plain and simple. did he commit a crime? yes. is he in jail? no. what is so mindless about that?[/quote]

If you commit a crime you get arrested then get bail (if your not a flight risk or the crime is not to bad) and you get out of jail until your court date. Why is that any different then what is happening with him?

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[quote=dmek25;510697]what bothers me is the double standard. for some reason our judicial system is, and always will be, about the money[/quote]

You're like our own little Cesar Chavez :) You're all about anti-business and power to the people aren't you

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this man is employed to do what is best for the people. i hardly call what he did as representing anyone, but his own agenda. as far as power to the people, your darn right. this is a difference in belief. lets use the auto bail out for example. my belief is the big 3 were/ are grossly mis- managed. the republicans in senate are looking at the every day workers, saying they make too much money. in comparison, the big 3 wages are in line with Toyota, and Honda. to me there is nothing wrong with earning top dollar in the work place. to the G.O.P, this is a travesty. if your talking about the Chavez that stood up for the farm workers, then yes i am:)

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[quote=dmek25;510811]this man is employed to do what is best for the people. i hardly call what he did as representing anyone, but his own agenda. as far as power to the people, your darn right. this is a difference in belief. lets use the auto bail out for example. my belief is the big 3 were/ are grossly mis- managed. the republicans in senate are looking at the every day workers, saying they make too much money. in comparison, the big 3 wages are in line with Toyota, and Honda. to me there is nothing wrong with earning top dollar in the work place. to the G.O.P, this is a travesty. if your talking about the Chavez that stood up for the farm workers, then yes i am:)[/quote]

Sorry the big 3 workers make more then the Honda/Toyota.

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[quote=dmek25;510811]this man is employed to do what is best for the people. i hardly call what he did as representing anyone, but his own agenda. as far as power to the people, your darn right. this is a difference in belief. lets use the auto bail out for example. my belief is the big 3 were/ are grossly mis- managed. the republicans in senate are looking at the every day workers, saying they make too much money. in comparison, the big 3 wages are in line with Toyota, and Honda. to me there is nothing wrong with earning top dollar in the work place. to the G.O.P, this is a travesty. if your talking about the Chavez that stood up for the farm workers, then yes i am:)[/quote]

what? Seriously that doesn't make a lot of sense. The question is this. What exactly does his scope of wealth have to do with anything right now and how is our judicial system about money? Just asking for a clear explanation of what you think here. Platitudes and demagoguery don't help.

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ok, let me put this in laymans terms. is there anyone on this board that thinks Gov. Blagojevich is going to do any jail time?

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[quote=dmek25;510845]ok, let me put this in laymans terms. is there anyone on this board that thinks Gov. Blagojevich is going to do any jail time?[/quote]

What's the point of saying "If he's convicted, then yes" What's the point of saying he could be like Bob Ney, James Traficant, or Ernest Newtown (among other politicians)?

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[quote=dmek25;510845]ok, let me put this in laymans terms. is there anyone on this board that thinks Gov. Blagojevich is going to do any jail time?[/quote]
So you're angry because of what may or may not happen? I know we have diferent views and I am not arguing those issues. What I find unfortunate is that your views in this matter are so emotiuonally based and have absolutely no solid reasoning. There hasn't been one iota of information indicatng he had gotten any type of special treatment from our judicial system. He is being treated exactly how anyone else would be. And yes, I think when a federal prosecutor goes after your ass, especially Pat Fitzgerald, you're going to jail. See:Scooter Libby who is arguably "more important" than Blags is.

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[quote=dmek25;510845]ok, let me put this in laymans terms. is there anyone on this board that thinks Gov. Blagojevich is going to do any jail time?[/quote]

What bet do you wish to make? Name it. $50.00 ? The parrot avatar for a month?

There are lots of things wrong with our system and, yes, money tends to skew it. But sometimes, just sometimes, justice is actually served. He will go to jail and be fined a significant amount. Count on it.

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ah Joe, the voice of reason. i have had some legal dealings( thru my daughter) and have seen first hand how money makes it go. your rationale makes me gain confidence that justice will be served. i really believe the system works, if we let it

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Let's not kid ourselves, people in position of power don't get the same treatment as those that aren't. They get treated better mainly because they can afford better lawyers, that is a fact of life. Unfortunately Blogo was able to walk with $4,500 bail, fortunately the man is relatively poor, is so stupid and so blatant he will without a doubt end up in jail and serve some serious time. Regrettably, he'll end up in a federal pen where salad tossing is not prevalent.

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[quote=saden1;510986]Let's not kid ourselves, people in position of power don't get the same treatment as those that aren't. [B]They get treated better mainly because they can afford better lawyers, that is a fact of life. [/B]Unfortunately Blogo was able to walk with $4,500 bail, fortunately the man is relatively poor, is so stupid and so blatant he will without a doubt end up in jail and serve some serious time. Regrettably, he'll end up in a federal pen where salad tossing is not prevalent.[/quote]

Yup. That's pretty much the case. And, quite frankly, most prosecutors are paid substantially less than the defense attorneys for high profile guys. So, unless truly dedicated (which does happen), the prosecutors tend to be younger and/or just not as good as the defense attorneys they face. Also, in general, prosecutors can't focus the resources that the defense can on any particular case. Yes, the State has tons of money BUT its got to be divided among tons of cases. Bottom line, lots of money means your more likely be able to buy yourself a better defense.

With that said, in some cases, you just can't avoid the truth (see M. Vick and a host of other mega-rich defendents that still managed to get jail time). This is one of those cases. Unless the feds f'ed up the wiretap request (here's betting that they didnt), they have this guy's admitting his intent to auction off the seat among other stuff - read the indictment.

He will be in jail and, as betraying public trust is one of those things that particular pisses of the public, I suspect he will be made an example.

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When you get indicted by a fed prosecutor you are done. I am too lazy to look up the stats right now but I remember from the Libby case that Fed prosecutions end up in conviction like 90%+ of the time. And when you get convicted of a federal crime you go to jail. They don't waste hundreds of thousands and political capital for probabtion.

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Official: Blagojevich May Quit on Monday

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Found guilty of making false statements to FBI, 1-5 years in prison potentially

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[url=http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/08/14th-day-for-blagojevich-jury.html]Blago guilty on one count: Lying to the FBI - Chicago Breaking News[/url]


Mistrial on 23/24 counts, this is the only one that stuck at this point...lying.

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It's good that he will at least do some time. I hope the judge gives him the max.

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Fitz has got to be peeved that they only the one guilty.

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Seems to me if you find that he was lying to the FBI then there would also be other charges that you would also fine him guilty of. I mean they had 23 other charges and I'm sure some of them had to be related to what he lied about. Not sure if having a retrial is worth the money. Just give him the 5 yrs and move on with life.

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I wonder if the other 23 being deemed mistrials had anything to do with Rahm Emmanuel's involvement and lack of cooperation?

Also, Valerie Jarrett is in hot water herself, and was reportedly who Barrack Obama wanted to handpick as his replacement...relayed to Blago via Rahm Emmanuel. There are a lot of connections when it comes to Chicago/Illinois/now White House politics. Even Jesse Jackson, Jr. was apparently involved.

The whole thing is a huge mess. You can't but to wonder if Rod getting off on 23/24 charges has anything to do with the other people involved and the political ramifications of bringing more attention to them.



[url=http://blogs.suntimes.com/blago/2010/07/witness_rahm_emanuel_asked_me_1.html]Witness: Rahm Emanuel asked me to call Blagojevich to say President Elect Barack Obama wanted Valerie Jarrett - The Blago Blog[/url]

[url=http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-rahm-obama13dec13,0,3359611.story]Rahm Emanuel talked with governor's office about who should fill Obama's Senate seat - chicagotribune.com[/url]

[url=http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article5332897.ece]Blagojevich scandal: Rahm Emanuel and Jesse Jackson Jr face new revelations - Times Online[/url]

[url=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/7848063/Rahm-Emanuel-traded-political-favours-with-Rod-Blagojevich.html]Rahm Emanuel 'traded political favours with Rod Blagojevich' - Telegraph[/url]