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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;511815]you can never have too many guys like that[/quote]
I would rather have OLB Aaron Curry Wake Forest if he's still available by the time we pick (highly unlikely).

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[quote=ST21RIP;511824]trade springs, are and betts for fourth rounders.
trade the first pick for more picks lower in the draft

cut smoot, washington, thrash, et al

sign haynesworth and vilma

draft o line, d line and lb[/quote]
Vilma is a MLB, we already have a pretty damn good MLB in London Fletcher.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;511707]Well I would argue that Moss could easily generate some type of market value but the rest of those guys you mentioned have virtually little trade value short of a 7th round pick, if that.[/quote]


I have officially had it with Santana Moss. Especially after that crap he pulled in the endzone while getting spanked by the lowly Bengals.

The guy is just plain average. He gave us one good year and hasn't done squat since.

To any other team, he's a #2 wideout at best.

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Alex Mack C out Cal Berkeley. He would change our OL overnight.

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[quote=RMSkins;511827]Vilma is a MLB, we already have a pretty damn good MLB in London Fletcher.[/quote]

But for how much longer? We can't count on a guy like him year after year without seeking out his replacement -- just like we failed to do for the O-line.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;511829]Alex Mack C out Cal Berkeley. He would change our OL overnight.[/quote]That's what I've heard. Value game has to work though.

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At the beginning of the season, most picked this team to go 8-8, and more than likely the Skins will probably go 8-8. The early season success was a tease of sorts. Most teams have figured out the Redskins achilles heal by now, and Zorn has not adjusted. A baseball pitcher has an advantage the first time through the lineup, but from then on, batters adjust. Then good pitchers change up. Zorn hasn't. He is a man who has clearly fallen in love with his plan. Dangerous. This is not execution, as Zorn likes to exclaim. There can be no justifying a seven-yard pattern on 3rd and 8. But we consistently see this type of play calling.

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[quote=Beemnseven;511830]But for how much longer? We can't count on a guy like him year after year without seeking out his replacement -- just like we failed to do for the O-line.[/quote]
I think Fletcher has a good two years left. H.B. Blades is supposed to be his eventual replacement.

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[quote=ST21RIP;511824]trade springs, are and betts for fourth rounders.
trade the first pick for more picks lower in the draft

cut smoot, washington, thrash, et al

sign haynesworth and vilma

draft o line, d line and lb[/quote]

Ud leave us with only two corners in Hall and Rogers. And Springs contract is up at the end of the year.

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[quote=GTripp0012;511831]That's what I've heard. Value game has to work though.[/quote]

Samuels, Rinehart, Mack, Thomas and Heyer as starters, Rabach can play G as a backup or switch him with Thomas. If Mack is there I would go get him.

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Trade down in the first, pickup a 2nd rounder
1st round DT 2nd OT, 3rd DE, 5th OG, 6th LB

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;511835]Samuels, Rinehart, Mack, Thomas and Heyer as starters, Rabach can play G as a backup or switch him with Thomas. If Mack is there I would go get him.[/quote]

Mack?

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[quote=RMSkins;511826]I would rather have OLB Aaron Curry Wake Forest if he's still available by the time we pick (highly unlikely).[/quote]

Guy is a beast but I think he's a top 5 pick. I would absolutely give up a first and 3rd for him now though. Maybe he'll have a crappy combine and fall to 17 or 18 (where I think we'll be picking). Maybe Al Davis will want ARE, Kelly, Thomas, and Springs for their #1 so we could grabbed him.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;511829]Alex Mack C out Cal Berkeley. He would change our OL overnight.[/quote]

That's the guy Ive been touting since (SMOOT or Malcolm, can't remember which) brought him up. I think he could start at center or guard right away.

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[quote=RMSkins;511827]Vilma is a MLB, we already have a pretty damn good MLB in London Fletcher.[/quote]

i'm aware. fletch wont play forever. put volma at strong side until fletch hangs it up. HB is not a first-string LB in this league.

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[quote=rypper11;511843]Guy is a beast but I think he's a top 5 pick. I would absolutely give up a first and 3rd for him now though. Maybe he'll have a crappy combine and fall to 17 or 18 (where I think we'll be picking). [B]Maybe Al Davis will want ARE, Kelly, Thomas, and Springs for their #1 so we could grabbed him.[/quote][/B]

What a waste of a post.

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After today I'm not sure HB is a decent backup either.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;511835]Samuels, Rinehart, Mack, Thomas and Heyer as starters, Rabach can play G as a backup or switch him with Thomas. If Mack is there I would go get him.[/quote]While we might find somebody better than Kendall if we wait to hit the market, we should probably work to resign him for two years or so before he hits the market. If we're going to target Alex Mack, I hope we trade down out of the first to do so. Middle of the first, he's probably overvalued. We could use our se.....well at least Jason Taylor is under contract next year!

Rinehart and Heyer have to earn their starting roles. We can't just give them roles. I would make a play for a center in free agency, and leave the rest of the line be after releaseing Rabach. I would then make a concerted effort to put a lot of responsibility on our young guys in the offseason, and see who can handle it and earn their way into the starting lineup.

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[quote=rypper11;511849]After today I'm not sure HB is a decent backup either.[/quote]What'd he do?

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[quote=53Fan;511846]That's the guy Ive been touting since (SMOOT or Malcolm, can't remember which) brought him up. I think he could start at center or guard right away.[/quote]

I've watched all the Cal games and by buddy who goes to all the games and meets with players says, this is a can't miss sure future HOF caliber player, plus he's is an academic All-American (smart)

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[quote=RMSkins;511833]I think Fletcher has a good two years left. H.B. Blades is supposed to be his eventual replacement.[/quote]

Not exactly sold on H.B. Blades or McIntosh for that matter. But linebackers always look better when there's a decent line in front of them.

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[quote=GTripp0012;511851]While we might find somebody better than Kendall if we wait to hit the market, we should probably work to resign him for two years or so before he hits the market. If we're going to target Alex Mack, I hope we trade down out of the first to do so. Middle of the first, he's probably overvalued. We could use our se.....well at least Jason Taylor is under contract next year!

Rinehart and Heyer have to earn their starting roles. We can't just give them roles. I would make a play for a center in free agency, and leave the rest of the line be after releaseing Rabach. I would then make a concerted effort to put a lot of responsibility on our young guys in the offseason, and see who can handle it and earn their way into the starting lineup.[/quote]
I agree. Kendall has been our only consistent O-lineman this year.

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[quote=GTripp0012;511851]While we might find somebody better than Kendall if we wait to hit the market, we should probably work to resign him for two years or so before he hits the market. [B]If we're going to target Alex Mack, I hope we trade down out of the first to do so[/B]. Middle of the first, he's probably overvalued. We could use our se.....well at least Jason Taylor is under contract next year!

Rinehart and Heyer have to earn their starting roles. We can't just give them roles. I would make a play for a center in free agency, and leave the rest of the line be after releaseing Rabach. I would then make a concerted effort to put a lot of responsibility on our young guys in the offseason, and see who can handle it and earn their way into the starting lineup.[/quote]

If we can trade down and get an extra pick AND get Mack, I would say that is a very good move on our part. I would be happy with that. :)

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;511854]I've watched all the Cal games and by buddy who goes to all the games and meets with players says, [B]this is a can't miss sure future HOF caliber player, plus he's is an academic All-American (smart)[/[/B]QUOTE]

I'm sold. This is the kind of guy we need.

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Michael Johnson out of Ga Tech as well would be a nice pickup

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Really good year to earn a last place schedule though, means we'll have St. Louis and Detroit again next year. They could actually pick one-two in the draft this year.

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Hey, we hold all the tiebreakers now! So if we get to 9-7...

ah, forget it.

Anyway, the playoff picture, if Philly wins tomorrow, goes something like this:

1) Win out
2) Dallas must lose to Baltimore
3) Tampa must lose to San Diego and Oakland
4) Atlanta must lose to Minnesota and St. Louis
5) Chicago must lose to either Green Bay or Houston

IF Philly loses tomorrow, either No 3 or No 4 (but not both) can be replaced by "Philadelphia must beat Dallas".

Yay for totally impossible odds!

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The fat lady has screamed from the top of her lungs!

Stick this season in a doggie bag because it's over!

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I don't know what's worse, losing to Cincinnati and St. Louis in the same season while combining for 5 fumbles lost or having to rely on St. Louis and Oakland to make the playoffs

:D

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[quote=GTripp0012;511652]So, we're not mathematically eliminated yet. Whatever. At least last week at this time, we could say that if we won out, we would likely make the playoffs. Now, that's not even true. We're done.

So, we'll probably be drafting somewhere in the middle of the round. Discuss potential first round draft picks here.[/quote]

I'm hoping they "draft" a GM that knows what he is doing Vinny needs to go away perhaps a career in radio this ass hat's ....picking up and drafting of underachievers needs to stop now!

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[quote=GTripp0012;512126]Hey, we hold all the tiebreakers now! So if we get to 9-7...

ah, forget it.

Anyway, the playoff picture, if Philly wins tomorrow, goes something like this:

1) Win out
2) Dallas must lose to Baltimore
3) Tampa must lose to San Diego and Oakland
4) Atlanta must lose to Minnesota and St. Louis
5) Chicago must lose to either Green Bay or Houston

IF Philly loses tomorrow, either No 3 or No 4 (but not both) can be replaced by "Philadelphia must beat Dallas".

Yay for totally impossible odds![/quote]


Looks like the Redskins need more help then just other teams losing in the next two weeks....coulda....woulda....shoulda.....this season was over four weeks ago...too bad I thought this team had something going for itself..

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[quote=Beemnseven;511862]Not exactly sold on H.B. Blades or McIntosh for that matter. But linebackers always look better when there's a decent line in front of them.[/quote]

I remember a season or two ago, Ray Lewis wanted a big DT for the Ravens, since their defense had not been that great the previous season. The Ravens got Ngata in the draft and it help with their play...especially this season since he's had a season or two under his belt. I feel that the same situation applies to our team. We have good DEs, but I'm not sold on our DTs. Griffin was good a season or two ago, but he has health issues and is getting old. I don't have much faith in Golston or Montgomery, and Alexander is good, but not dominant. I feel that a DT like Haynesworth would do wonders to our team. We need someone up the middle that can push the opponents o-line and disrupt both the pass and run. Good defensive teams like the Titans, Giants, and Vikings, all have strong DTs.

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[quote=GTripp0012;511851]While we might find somebody better than Kendall if we wait to hit the market, we should probably work to resign him for two years or so before he hits the market. If we're going to target Alex Mack, I hope we trade down out of the first to do so. Middle of the first, he's probably overvalued. We could use our se.....well at least Jason Taylor is under contract next year!

Rinehart and Heyer have to earn their starting roles. We can't just give them roles. I would make a play for a center in free agency, and leave the rest of the line be after releaseing Rabach. I would then make a concerted effort to put a lot of responsibility on our young guys in the offseason, and see who can handle it and earn their way into the starting lineup.[/quote]

Kendall has arthritic knees and is a twelve year vet. Do you really expect him to play two more years?