Re: A 2009 Spring Dream....
 

Before the Redskins even think about bringing someone in, They need to figure out the identity of the offensive line and Defensive Front 7.

It's time for Bugel to step down. I wish him well, He is a legend and I flat out love the guy but just lost touch with todays game. Zorn needs to bring in his guy and decide what type of line they will be and try to get players that fill those roles.

Do they want to be a cowboys type line that is built on size and power with 350LB guards or do they want smaller more mobile guys like Denver that can go upfield and cut block linebackers.
Some big Aaron Gibson type guys wont cut it in certain systems but could excel in others.

The current Skins Oline has 5 guys with mixed talents.
The Redskins wont be successful offensively till they get 5 guys who can do the same thing well.


The same goes for the redskins Front 7 on the defense.
I honestly think the redskins organization are content with the starting Dline.
I have an issue with the talents of the linebackers.

Typically, The MLB is a solid run stopper who can go sideline to sideline. We are fortunate to have one of the best. They need to decide what they want as outside linebackers. McIntosh is a quick smaller guy who can get in coverage but can get lost in the run game. Blades filled in for washington and did well in run support but was a liability in coverage. In my opinion he is Fletchers replacement at MLB and I think he will be a good one.
At outsidelinebacker, He was overmatched.

The redskins need to decide if they want larger linebackers that can plug gaps and destroy pulling guards or if they want smaller speed demons that can get around blockers and put pressure on the offense.
With our front four mostly filling gaps and not putting pressure, I want to see the redskins pickup a good blitzing linebacker that can replace Washington. In general, I want them to bring in fast linebackers that can always chase down a play.


There is no way to complete the overhaul in one year but I think it's something Zorn will have to do if he is going to be a successful coach.

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^we need youth at the D-line. All our lineman that are older then dirt which may only be 2 have some kind of problem. The second problem I see is they are either over sized DE meaning they are slower or they are undersized DT which I think they have problems getting a good push to collapse a pocket. If the line is solely going to stop the run then lets get some people who can collapse a pocket while trying to stop the run. Then other QB's will not be able to escape what little rush we have.

Re: A 2009 Spring Dream....
 

[quote=RMSkins;514995]You must be a USC fan. I'm not a huge fan of Cushing or Mathews they remind me of a more hyped Dallas Sartz and they have virtually the same stats and measurables.[/quote]

Dude, Sartz played with smarts in college- not much athletic ability. Cush is the real deal- everyone is talking about Rey Rey, but Brian is definitely more consistent. All of our LB'rs are super athletic and play sideline to sideline with a nasty streak. Watch the Rose Bowl on New Year's day and see Cush eat the Baby Lions for lunch.

Re: A 2009 Spring Dream....
 

[quote=RMSkins;514995]You must be a USC fan. I'm not a huge fan of Cushing or Mathews they remind me of a more hyped Dallas Sartz and they have virtually the same stats and measurables.[/quote]

you must not watch them play football? thats ok but comparing those two with dallas sartz is a serious mistake and shows me that you dont know talent when you see it. sartz didnt walk in the door at usc in the hieghts of the programs history and start like cushing.....sartz was not 253 pounds and didnt run a 4.6 forty. mathews you could argue but this kid can rush the passer and is an all around play maker......sartz was neither of these guys esspecially cushing.......i think you should look at what you said and wonder why you are comparing sartz to cushing.....the only reason is they went usc, and cushing started over him as an 18 year old freshman.....but really i am not a usc fan just a huge fan of defense and talented ones at that.

Re: A 2009 Spring Dream....
 

[quote=jamf;515003]Before the Redskins even think about bringing someone in, They need to figure out the identity of the offensive line and Defensive Front 7.

It's time for Bugel to step down. I wish him well, He is a legend and I flat out love the guy but just lost touch with todays game. Zorn needs to bring in his guy and decide what type of line they will be and try to get players that fill those roles.

Do they want to be a cowboys type line that is built on size and power with 350LB guards or do they want smaller more mobile guys like Denver that can go upfield and cut block linebackers.
Some big Aaron Gibson type guys wont cut it in certain systems but could excel in others.

The current Skins Oline has 5 guys with mixed talents.
The Redskins wont be successful offensively till they get 5 guys who can do the same thing well.


The same goes for the redskins Front 7 on the defense.
I honestly think the redskins organization are content with the starting Dline.
I have an issue with the talents of the linebackers.

Typically, The MLB is a solid run stopper who can go sideline to sideline. We are fortunate to have one of the best. They need to decide what they want as outside linebackers. McIntosh is a quick smaller guy who can get in coverage but can get lost in the run game. Blades filled in for washington and did well in run support but was a liability in coverage. In my opinion he is Fletchers replacement at MLB and I think he will be a good one.
At outsidelinebacker, He was overmatched.

The redskins need to decide if they want larger linebackers that can plug gaps and destroy pulling guards or if they want smaller speed demons that can get around blockers and put pressure on the offense.
With our front four mostly filling gaps and not putting pressure, I want to see the redskins pickup a good blitzing linebacker that can replace Washington. In general, I want them to bring in fast linebackers that can always chase down a play.


There is no way to complete the overhaul in one year but I think it's something Zorn will have to do if he is going to be a successful coach.[/quote]

agree with a lot.......but if we are counting on blades to be mlb then we are in a huge disagreement....post on here when that guy gets off a block to make a tackle within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage or tackle for loss.....he is a back up at best, in fact he is replacable in the next two drafts, talent level very low in my opinion.

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[quote=holcknowsbest;515137]you must not watch them play football? thats ok but comparing those two with dallas sartz is a serious mistake and shows me that you dont know talent when you see it. sartz didnt walk in the door at usc in the hieghts of the programs history and start like cushing.....sartz was not 253 pounds and didnt run a 4.6 forty. mathews you could argue but this kid can rush the passer and is an all around play maker......sartz was neither of these guys esspecially cushing.......i think you should look at what you said and wonder why you are comparing sartz to cushing.....the only reason is they went usc, and cushing started over him as an 18 year old freshman.....but really i am not a usc fan just a huge fan of defense and talented ones at that.[/quote]
Thats funny because I just went back and looked at Cushing's and Sartz's stats and measurables and they're virtually the same, with Sartz being much more productive in many of the categories. By the way Cushing only started over Sartz that one year because Sartz was injured, nice try though. I understand that you can't just go by stats and that many scouts see Cushing as being a better prospect than Sartz but i'm just showing you how easily comparable the two players are. I'm just not sold on Cushing at all I just think that he's a hyped up USC Linebacker who is a benefactor of a great defensive scheme.

Dallas Sartz 6'5" 240 lbs. 4.58 40 (Pro Day results)
Final College Stats: 194 TCKS 22.5 TFL 12.5 SCKS 16 PD 2 INT

Brian Cushing 6'3" 255 lbs. 4.75 40
Final College Stats: 171 TCKS 26.5 TFL 8 SCKS 12 PD 1 INT

Sources:
[url=http://www.draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/olb/Brian-Cushing.php]Brian Cushing | USC Scouting Report - 2009 NFL Draft Prospect[/url]
[url=http://usctrojans.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/sartz_dallas00.html]Player Bio: Dallas Sartz :: Football[/url]
[url=http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=15700&draftyear=2007&genpos=OLB]Dallas Sartz | Southern Cal, OLB : 2007 NFL Draft Scout Player Profile[/url]
[url=http://usctrojans.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2006-2007/teamcume.html]usctrojans.com - Football[/url] (Dallas Sartz 2006 Stats)
[url=http://usctrojans.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2008-2009/teamcume.html]usctrojans.com - Football[/url] (Brian Cushing 2008 Stats)

Re: A 2009 Spring Dream....
 

[quote=RMSkins;515171]Thats funny because I just went back and looked at Cushing's and Sartz's stats and measurables and they're virtually the same, with Sartz being much more productive in many of the categories. By the way Cushing only started over Sartz that one year because Sartz was injured, nice try though. I understand that you can't just go by stats and that many scouts see Cushing as being a better prospect than Sartz but i'm just showing you how easily comparable the two players are. I'm just not sold on Cushing at all I just think that he's a hyped up USC Linebacker who is a benefactor of a great defensive scheme.

Dallas Sartz 6'5" 240 lbs. 4.58 40 (Pro Day results)
Final College Stats: 194 TCKS 22.5 TFL 12.5 SCKS 16 PD 2 INT

Brian Cushing 6'3" 255 lbs. 4.75 40
Final College Stats: 171 TCKS 26.5 TFL 8 SCKS 12 PD 1 INT

Sources:
[URL="http://www.draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/olb/Brian-Cushing.php"]Brian Cushing | USC Scouting Report - 2009 NFL Draft Prospect[/URL]
[URL="http://usctrojans.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/sartz_dallas00.html"]Player Bio: Dallas Sartz :: Football[/URL]
[URL="http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=15700&draftyear=2007&genpos=OLB"]Dallas Sartz*|*Southern Cal,*OLB*:*2007 NFL Draft Scout Player Profile[/URL]
[URL="http://usctrojans.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2006-2007/teamcume.html"]usctrojans.com - Football[/URL] (Dallas Sartz 2006 Stats)
[URL="http://usctrojans.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2008-2009/teamcume.html"]usctrojans.com - Football[/URL] (Brian Cushing 2008 Stats)[/quote]

I'd be skeptical of pre-combine and pro-day numbers. A lot of those 40 times are estimates. Plus it's obvious Cushing has something that Startz doesn't, my guess is part of the reasons he's grading out as a first rounder is because he has a higher football IQ. Though I'm willing to bet that come April Cushing will be a 2nd or 3rd round pick even if he's still graded as a late first rounder.

Re: A 2009 Spring Dream....
 

[quote=Dirtbag359;515174]I'd be skeptical of pre-combine and pro-day numbers. A lot of those 40 times are estimates. Plus it's obvious Cushing has something that Startz doesn't, my guess is part of the reasons he's grading out as a first rounder is because he has a higher football IQ. Though I'm willing to bet that come April Cushing will be a 2nd or 3rd round pick even if he's still graded as a late first rounder.[/quote]
You're right about being skeptical of pre-combine results, but it's hard for me to imagine Cushing running a 4.58 40. Also, Sartz was known for his cerebral play and great football IQ, so I wouldn't say that's the reason why Cushing's grading out better. I definitely don't think Cushing is worth more then a third round pick and that's probably where he will end up getting picked after the juniors declare.

Re: A 2009 Spring Dream....
 

I think the Skins need an impact player in free agency. One guy. Not a bunch of mid-level guys signed to contracts that hurt us in the future, while we see very little increase in talent now. I think Terrell Suggs, Albert Haynesworth, Julius Peppers, Jordan Gross all fit the profile, but don't chase a bunch of these guys. Pick one of them, make him an offer he can't refuse, sign him in the first three days of free agency, and be done with it. No trying to rebuild a core through free agency. Just one guy to take us to the next level.

Re: A 2009 Spring Dream....
 

[quote=GTripp0012;515184]I think the Skins need an impact player in free agency. One guy. Not a bunch of mid-level guys signed to contracts that hurt us in the future, while we see very little increase in talent now. I think Terrell Suggs, Albert Haynesworth, Julius Peppers, Jordan Gross all fit the profile, but don't chase a bunch of these guys. Pick one of them, make him an offer he can't refuse, sign him in the first three days of free agency, and be done with it. No trying to rebuild a core through free agency. Just one guy to take us to the next level.[/quote]
No Karlos Dansby? I think he would be a great addition to our defense.

Re: A 2009 Spring Dream....
 

[quote=GMScud;514908]BJ Raji is a monster. I watched a few BC games this year and he is a total plugger. I'd love to have him. Frankly BC's entire defense was really impressive this year.[/quote]BJ Raji is the only defensive lineman who I would support taking in the first round of the draft. He's going to be a very, very good one.

Re: A 2009 Spring Dream....
 

[quote=RMSkins;515186]No Karlos Dansby? I think he would be a great addition to our defense.[/quote]Sorry, forgot about him.

I wouldn't pay him at the same level I would pay any of those other guys, though. He's a LB who I'm not sure can play the middle in a 4-3 scheme, so while I would love to have him, he's not quite the impact player the rest are.

Re: A 2009 Spring Dream....
 

[quote=GTripp0012;515188]BJ Raji is the only defensive lineman who I would support taking in the first round of the draft. He's going to be a very, very good one.[/quote]
DT) P. Jerry , Ole Miss ,,,, may end up the best DT in this class . I hope we draft one of each DL and OL this year as well as one impact lineman on atleast one side of the ball .

Re: A 2009 Spring Dream....
 

[quote=RMSkins;515171]Thats funny because I just went back and looked at Cushing's and Sartz's stats and measurables and they're virtually the same, with Sartz being much more productive in many of the categories. By the way Cushing only started over Sartz that one year because Sartz was injured, nice try though. I understand that you can't just go by stats and that many scouts see Cushing as being a better prospect than Sartz but i'm just showing you how easily comparable the two players are. I'm just not sold on Cushing at all I just think that he's a hyped up USC Linebacker who is a benefactor of a great defensive scheme.

Dallas Sartz 6'5" 240 lbs. 4.58 40 (Pro Day results)
Final College Stats: 194 TCKS 22.5 TFL 12.5 SCKS 16 PD 2 INT

Brian Cushing 6'3" 255 lbs. 4.75 40
Final College Stats: 171 TCKS 26.5 TFL 8 SCKS 12 PD 1 INT

Sources:
[URL="http://www.draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/olb/Brian-Cushing.php"]Brian Cushing | USC Scouting Report - 2009 NFL Draft Prospect[/URL]
[URL="http://usctrojans.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/sartz_dallas00.html"]Player Bio: Dallas Sartz :: Football[/URL]
[URL="http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=15700&draftyear=2007&genpos=OLB"]Dallas Sartz*|*Southern Cal,*OLB*:*2007 NFL Draft Scout Player Profile[/URL]
[URL="http://usctrojans.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2006-2007/teamcume.html"]usctrojans.com - Football[/URL] (Dallas Sartz 2006 Stats)
[URL="http://usctrojans.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2008-2009/teamcume.html"]usctrojans.com - Football[/URL] (Brian Cushing 2008 Stats)[/quote]

source all you want. cushing is the better player hands down! sartz didnt make a roster, cushing will start as a rookie barring any injury. if you disagree with the pick in the second round fine, i would love to get him in the third if we could, but dallas sartz isnt on the same level as cushing....comparing stats is for nerds, watch the film see whos shows up.

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Tripp does have a good point, Tripp I have been watching tape on P Jerry from Ole Miss do you really think he isnt on the same level as Raji??

Re: A 2009 Spring Dream....
 

If he falls far enough down in the first round...Brian Orakpo DE, Texas would be a nice fit in our defense. Young, powerful and fast. But I don't think he falls to the middle of the first round for us to take him.

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we need a guy like suggs.... he is a complete monster. taylor is just about done.

suggs and jason brown. leave the rest to draft....PLEASE

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[quote=holcknowsbest;515139]agree with a lot.......but if we are counting on blades to be mlb then we are in a huge disagreement....post on here when that guy gets off a block to make a tackle within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage or tackle for loss.....he is a back up at best, in fact he is replacable in the next two drafts, talent level very low in my opinion.[/quote]
I like him as a fill-in player but that's it. I keep thinking of the Bengals game when he was sent on a blitz and barely trotted towards Fitzpatrick. Too often he seems to give up when a lineman engages him, too.

Re: A 2009 Spring Dream....
 

[quote=jamf;515003]
Do they want to be a cowboys type line that is built on size and power with 350LB guards or do they want smaller more mobile guys like Denver that can go upfield and cut block linebackers.
Some big Aaron Gibson type guys wont cut it in certain systems but could excel in others.

The current Skins Oline has 5 guys with mixed talents.
The Redskins wont be successful offensively till they get 5 guys who can do the same thing well.
[/quote]
Excellent point that I think is forgotten often. Jansen is the perfect example. He is still a very good run blocking tackle and fine in pass protection if he has outside help to chip or block a speed rusher. But he isn't suited to be on an island in the WCO as a RT. He would probably be a better guard where he'll go against less speed guys.
Rabach's best attribute is making line calls and recognizing blitz packages. In this offense that's the qb's job and I think he ends up lost and confused instead of confident on his assignment for the play.

Re: A 2009 Spring Dream....
 

[quote=GTripp0012;515184]I think the Skins need an impact player in free agency. One guy. Not a bunch of mid-level guys signed to contracts that hurt us in the future, while we see very little increase in talent now. I think Terrell Suggs, Albert Haynesworth, Julius Peppers, Jordan Gross all fit the profile, but don't chase a bunch of these guys. Pick one of them, make him an offer he can't refuse, sign him in the first three days of free agency, and be done with it. No trying to rebuild a core through free agency. Just one guy to take us to the next level.[/quote]

Sounds like a plan. One guy can make a difference. Shaun Rodgers or Kris Jenkins could have helped our line quite a bit this year. I hope this is the course our FO takes.

Re: A 2009 Spring Dream....
 

[quote=GTripp0012;515188]BJ Raji is the only defensive lineman who I would support taking in the first round of the draft. He's going to be a very, very good one.[/quote]

I like Raji a lot, but all I've seen and heard is he's better suited for the 3-4 and would prefer to play in a 3-4

Re: A 2009 Spring Dream....
 

[quote=SmootSmack;515357]I like Raji a lot, but all I've seen and heard is he's better suited for the 3-4 and would prefer to play in a 3-4[/quote]Perhaps. I haven't really thought about how he would plug in here, only that he seems like the one and only sure fire prospect on the DL this year.

Re: A 2009 Spring Dream....
 

[quote=jbcjr14;515266]If he falls far enough down in the first round...Brian Orakpo DE, Texas would be a nice fit in our defense. Young, powerful and fast. But I don't think he falls to the middle of the first round for us to take him.[/quote]

Don't tease me. Orakpo is a beast. I have to keep telling myself that i don't want him because the Skins [B][U]never[/U][/B] draft any players i like. So my official stance is that i don't want the Skins to draft Orakpo. Anyway he'll probably be gone by the time we draft.

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DT P. Jerry is a stone cold beast my only concern is his size, but i think DT is starting to get away from those big animals, unless they are athletic. plus i think we have run stoppers in montgomery at 325#'s and golston at 315. to be able to put a dline together of taylor,carter,daniels,evans as your ends + griffin, jerry, montgomery, golston, daniels as your tackels= a pretty damn good dline........very versitale and on third down there are all kinds of combinations that would help us get to the quarterback.........man now that i look at that, i want Jerry bad, that guy would only make our defense better which is hard to do if you ask me.

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i know this is not a need at all, esspecially because i am a huge portis fan.......but i love watching knowsean moreno play. if he comes out i would love to see him on our team and in this offense. i think he is a tougher reggie bush. maybe not quite as talented but similar and tougher......but again i am a huge portis fan, the biggest.....this also means we find some where else for betts.....food for thought, hes also another explosive offensive player which we need some where besides moss.

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Hey, what site did you guys find info on what free agents are going to be available?

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I think that if we are going to upgrade we need to get the best instead of bargain shopping ..we need Haynesworth to collapse the middle we need a player like gross to stop the penetration on the o-line , and Peppers definatley would'nt hurt...the guy is a beast ...Those 3 are my wishlist of course combined with the resigning of Hall ...he'd be definatley the shutdown corner we've been wanting since Champ left for [B]Portis and a 2nd [/B]round pick(which is still unbelievable)..........

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[quote=RMSkins;514855]Jordan Gross.[/quote]

How did I miss this thread...

Great to see somebody else knows good o-lineman when they see em...