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Chris Simms? Really? That is ridiculous.

FYI....just because a guy is a FA doesn't mean the Skins "automatically" get him.

Bottom line = improve both lines....that alone will get us to 10 wins. (If everything else stays constant)

Re: 2009 Season
 

[quote=maroonandblack30;518213]Chris Simms? Really? That is ridiculous.

FYI....just because a guy is a FA doesn't mean the Skins "automatically" get him.

Bottom line = improve both lines....that alone will get us to 10 wins. (If everything else stays constant)[/quote]

Chris Simms is a prototypical WCO QB who learned the system under John Gruden, who is is probably the best developer of QBs in the NFL outside of new england. He put up respectable numbers as a starter in Tampa before he was injured. He was sacked a ton, but it was due to being behind one of the worst offensive lines in the history of football. jim Zorn could do much more with Simms than he ever could with Campbell.

There may be a better answer out there besides Simms, but Jason Campbell is most certainly NOT the answer. (Another option would be signing Garcia as a FA, but I think he may retire) If we don't trade Campbell in this offseason, he'll walk as a free agent when his contract is up and we'll get nothing for him. Thats a fact.

and I KNOW just because someone is a FA, it doesnt mean we can sign them, but by cutting the players we mentioned, we should be able to make offers to Haynesworth and Asomugha that they can't refuse. Unfortunately, I think haynesworth will probably resign with Tennessee - i'd put the odds of him hitting FA at only about 30%, but if he hits FA, we can and should overpay for him.

Re: 2009 Season
 

Simms is garbage give me a break. If JC isn't the answer Simms is definitely not either.

Re: 2009 Season
 

I don't think what he wants to do is Madden-esque, necessarily. Seems like every team we would deal with has incentive to do the deals he proposes.

But there's two really obvious things: theres no flexiblity in his plan. If Lechler and Asomugha resign with Oakland, there's no plan B. We just get worse.

And that proposed starting lineup really sort of kinda sucks the big one. The receivers suck. The line sucks. The quarterback is a downgrade. The front seven gets a little bit better on defense, but I can't remember, didn't someone already try Asomugha and Hall at the corners? Didn't Hall get roasted over an open fire by AFC teams in that same scenario?

Outside of that, it's change for the sake of change. I'll give him props for at least putting concrete ideas on paper with some thought, instead of taking abstract jabs at non issues.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;518234]Chris Simms is a prototypical WCO QB who learned the system under John Gruden, who is is probably the best developer of QBs in the NFL outside of new england. He put up respectable numbers as a starter in Tampa before he was injured. He was sacked a ton, but it was due to being behind one of the worst offensive lines in the history of football. jim Zorn could do much more with Simms than he ever could with Campbell.

There may be a better answer out there besides Simms, but Jason Campbell is most certainly NOT the answer. (Another option would be signing Garcia as a FA, but I think he may retire) If we don't trade Campbell in this offseason, he'll walk as a free agent when his contract is up and we'll get nothing for him. Thats a fact.

and I KNOW just because someone is a FA, it doesnt mean we can sign them, but by cutting the players we mentioned, we should be able to make offers to Haynesworth and Asomugha that they can't refuse. Unfortunately, I think haynesworth will probably resign with Tennessee - i'd put the odds of him hitting FA at only about 30%, but if he hits FA, we can and should overpay for him.[/quote]

The Bucanneers had like 5 QBs on their roster and Simms couldn't consistently crack the top 5 (spleen or no spleen). He didn't last there mainly because he couldn't grasp the WCO the way that Gruden wanted. You don't like Campbell as our starting QB. That's fine. That's a topic for another time. But how is 6'4" 220 lb. Chris Simms with deep passing ability and questionable running ability the perfect fit for the WCO when Campbell isn't?

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[quote=SmootSmack;518324]The Bucanneers had like 5 QBs on their roster and Simms couldn't consistently crack the top 5 (spleen or no spleen). He didn't last there mainly because he couldn't grasp the WCO the way that Gruden wanted. You don't like Campbell as our starting QB. That's fine. That's a topic for another time. But how is 6'4" 220 lb. Chris Simms with deep passing ability and questionable running ability the perfect fit for the WCO when Campbell isn't?[/quote]

Thank you!

At least 2 different head coaches have deemed Jason Campbell a worthy NFL starter (not to mention the numerous analysts who think he's legit). Chris Simms was a starter for a few games, couldn't hack it, got benched, then cut, then signed to be a 3rd stringer. But sure, let's trade JC for him straight up.

Re: 2009 Season
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;518234]Chris Simms is a prototypical WCO QB who learned the system under John Gruden, who is is probably the best developer of QBs in the NFL outside of new england. He put up respectable numbers as a starter in Tampa before he was injured. [B]He was sacked a ton, but it was due to being behind one of the worst offensive lines in the history of football.[/B] jim Zorn could do much more with Simms than he ever could with Campbell.

There may be a better answer out there besides Simms, but Jason Campbell is most certainly NOT the answer. (Another option would be signing Garcia as a FA, but I think he may retire) If we don't trade Campbell in this offseason, he'll walk as a free agent when his contract is up and we'll get nothing for him. Thats a fact.

and I KNOW just because someone is a FA, it doesnt mean we can sign them, but by cutting the players we mentioned, we should be able to make offers to Haynesworth and Asomugha that they can't refuse. Unfortunately, I think haynesworth will probably resign with Tennessee - i'd put the odds of him hitting FA at only about 30%, but if he hits FA, we can and should overpay for him.[/quote]

In case you haven't heard, our offensive line didn't do that great in the second half of the season.

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On perhaps a more practical note, Everette Brown declared & he really sounds like a good guy, maybe a safer pick than the usual 1st round DE. I think some have said he's more suited to be a 3-4 OLB though.

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft09/news/story?id=3816004]Florida State Seminoles speed-rusher Brown to go pro - ESPN[/url]

Re: 2009 Season
 

well hears my thoughts the draft is a gamble always is and to try to solve our problems with the draft is probably not the best way to do it. i keep hearing about how great 2008's draft was well the only starter from that draft was horton. sure our 3 2nd rounders might pan out but they really haven't done anything yet. but i like those picks because we can develope them, which i believe is what the draft is for. in 2 or 3 years if they havent become starters get rid of them. same thing with this year draft guys for the furture not the now. develope them and see if they can become great players to take over for our aging vets. heres where FA comes in get guys who are proven and can hold down the postion until the rookies can take over. so in FA this year go after hayneworth, gross, even birk, maybe even canty. the thing that kills the skins ever season is they dont know how to build a foundation. you start with the lines. look at all the teams in the playoffs now they all have great lines. NY, PHI, CAR, TEN, SD all of them have great lines.

Re: 2009 Season
 

You know I had forgotten who Chris Simms was? Then I remembered, that guy. No way! You'd trade Campbell for him? Put the base pipe down and pick up a white chip.
Campbell deserves another year. Strait-up. He waited his turn, did everything that was asked of him, and has gotten better. If he gets better this year then we'll have a good shot. If he doesn't, then oh well. Well not have blown a lot of money on him and unlike previous years played a guy through to see where he could take us. I've never been a big JC fan but he's paid his dues . . . . for now.

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both lines need help