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Moss is interesting, and I WOULD deal him this offseason if I could get a second round pick for him.

For whatever reason, he's one of the few players on the Redskins whose perception around the league exceeds his value to the team. With most players, it tends to be the other way around. So I'd see what's out there. Obviously, don't just trade Moss to get rid of him, but somebody might throw money and a draft pick or two at this problem.

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I've got a question about Rogers contract, which extends through 2011 but is voidable after 2009, and is a virtual certainty to be voided.

Abscent a new CBA, he would still be a Restricted Free Agent after voiding his contract, correct? The option to void his contract doesn't give him a loophole to unrestricted free agency, I assume.

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[quote=GTripp0012;519403]Moss is interesting, and I WOULD deal him this offseason if I could get a second round pick for him.

For whatever reason, he's one of the few players on the Redskins whose perception around the league exceeds his value to the team. With most players, it tends to be the other way around. So I'd see what's out there. Obviously, don't just trade Moss to get rid of him, but somebody might throw money and a draft pick or two at this problem.[/quote]

Moss trade appears too risky w/ the (limited) knowledge we've got: Thomas and Kelly both would need to make significant progress w/o Moss in the game to provide some kind of receiving threat.

... very risky.

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[quote=GTripp0012;519403]Moss is interesting, and I WOULD deal him this offseason if I could get a second round pick for him.

For whatever reason, he's one of the few players on the Redskins whose perception around the league exceeds his value to the team. With most players, it tends to be the other way around. So I'd see what's out there. Obviously, don't just trade Moss to get rid of him, but somebody might throw money and a draft pick or two at this problem.[/quote]

I tend to agree. And if the rumors are true, he's much more actively being shopped and likely to be traded than Rogers. Apparently, the Redskins are eyeing three 2nd rounders again.

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I'd trade Moss for a 2 but we'd still need a #1WR. Where is that coming from. Thomas looks like a turd in the makin g and while Kelly has serious talent his knees indicate he'll never play 16 a year. Randle El can't even do the #2 job sufficiently. We can get by with Kelly @ #2 to me(cross fingers on his knees).

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[quote=REDSKIN1;518699]Great analysis of the Salary Cap.

Personally I, think that we should definetly cut Griffin, Washington, and Daniels. They are dinosaurs on our team who either can't stay healty or don't produce. Washington and Daniels have not played a full season in about 3 years, and as far as Griffin goes, I just think that position needs a serious up grade.

I would try to restructure Taylor and Springs, but if one has to go it would be Springs. I just have a feeling that Taylor will play with a chip on his shoulder next season, you could see how disappointed he was at him self at the end of the year.

Sign Hall and re-sign Rogers to a long term contract. Youth in the backfield.

Address the other areas of the team via the draft and free agency.

For Goodness sakes get a CAPABLE KICKER!!!!!!!!!!![/quote]



i agree with your post. they should also move taylor over to the right side. make carter play the left side or draft/free agency a good left de, then they could do something different with carter. keeping carter on the right and taylor on the left would be a bad move.

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[quote=FRPLG;519412]I'd trade Moss for a 2 but we'd still need a #1WR. Where is that coming from. Thomas looks like a turd in the makin g and while Kelly has serious talent his knees indicate he'll never play 16 a year. Randle El can't even do the #2 job sufficiently. We can get by with Kelly @ #2 to me(cross fingers on his knees).[/quote]

Well, you'll probably hear rumors of Houshmanzadeh. But I think those are bunk, probably being fed from right inside Redskins Park to jack up TJ's value (which is high as it is) since their division opponents are known to be interested.

And I don't think they're trying to get extra picks with the intent on spending a high pick on a #1 WR. So I agree we still would need someone. If healthy, big if, Kelly should be a lock to be the #2 WR this year. Thomas, will be in that 3/4 range in 2009, depending on how much he advances this off-season and what happens with El. And Davis should be much more involved, I would think.

You'll probably also hear rumors of Brandon Jones because of the Sherman Smith connection with Tennessee, I'm not buying those either.

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[quote=SmootSmack;519408]I tend to agree. And if the rumors are true, he's much more actively being shopped and likely to be traded than Rogers. Apparently, the Redskins are eyeing three 2nd rounders again.[/quote]

Can you imagine the hissy fit Portis would throw in front of the media if we trade Moss?? Ugh.

If we trade Moss, I'll be annoyed. Not because I don't think he's worth moving for a 2nd rounder, but because if we hadn't panicked and traded for Jason Taylor, we'd have a 2nd round pick to use without moving Moss.

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[quote=GMScud;519418]Can you imagine the hissy fit Portis would throw in front of the media if we trade Moss?? Ugh.

If we trade Moss, I'll be annoyed. Not because I don't think he's worth moving for a 2nd rounder, but because if we hadn't panicked and signed Jason Taylor, we'd have a 2nd round pick to use without moving Moss.[/quote]

I suspect Portis is well aware of the rumors, which could account for some of his recent disgust anyway.

Ironically, the Dolphins are one of our rumored trade partners. Though I don't think for Moss. But our first for their first and first of their two 2nd rounders is possible and could be great for us. I'd love it personally

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I would NOT trade Moss for a 2nd rounder.

Why, so we can draft another receiver and wait 3 years until he possibly becomes as good as Moss is now? Makes no sense to me. Moss is our only threat beyond 20 yards, he's just gotta catch the damn ball. The guy dropped more passes this year than Carlos.

You can bring in another established receiver to replace Moss, but it doesn't make much sense from a cap perspective to take a $7M deadcap hit to come out even on the field. Then again we did take a $9M deadcap hit on the $9 Million Dollar Baby to bring Moss here, so it would be fitting to take another $7M hit on the way out...

And Portis will cry and then what?

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The question is how long can we expect to rely on this core group of guys?

Of the top 20 cap hits for the Skins in '09, 17 have played at least 7 seasons already (Landry, Cooley, Rogers are the others). How many more shots can Portis take? How many more years can Fletcher carry our defense? This is not a young group and it's not getting younger.

The Skins have 2 choices IMO:

1. Play for 2010-2011 and make a REAL commitment to youth. Keep Landry, Campbell, Cooley, Rogers, Betts, and the recent draft picks - and jettison the rest. As Gary Oldman said in "The Professional": "EVERYONE!!!" Take the billion dollar deadcap hit in 2009 and set ourselves up with a new young core for 2010 and beyond.

2. Continue with the same strategy and try to make one more serious run with this group. Bring in free agent stopgaps to fill our holes on the lines and elsewhere and hope Campbell and our other young guys progress to the point that we can be serious NFC title contenders within the next 2-3 years.

Hate to say it but after years of painful mediocrity, option 1 is starting to sound really good to me. But we all know the odds of option 2 are about 99.9%.

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With our current WR woes I do not see us getting rid of Moss. I do not think that would be a smart move at this juncture.

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;519455]The question is how long can we expect to rely on this core group of guys?
[B]
Of the top 20 cap hits for the Skins in '09, 17 have played at least 7 seasons already (Landry, Cooley, Rogers are the others).[/B] How many more shots can Portis take? How many more years can Fletcher carry our defense? This is not a young group and it's not getting younger.

The Skins have 2 choices IMO:

1. Play for 2010-2011 and make a REAL commitment to youth. Keep Landry, Campbell, Cooley, Rogers, Betts, and the recent draft picks - and jettison the rest. As Gary Oldman said in "The Professional": "EVERYONE!!!" Take the billion dollar deadcap hit in 2009 and set ourselves up with a new young core for 2010 and beyond.

2. Continue with the same strategy and try to make one more serious run with this group. Bring in free agent stopgaps to fill our holes on the lines and elsewhere and hope Campbell and our other young guys progress to the point that we can be serious NFC title contenders within the next 2-3 years.

Hate to say it but after years of painful mediocrity, option 1 is starting to sound really good to me. But we all know the odds of option 2 are about 99.9%.[/quote]


Of those 17, why does it have to be an immediate firesale? Option 1 seems kind of excessive. Can't we just gradually (over the course of 2 or 3 seasons) jettison those older large cap hits based on some hybrid formula of declining productivity and size of cap hit? Maybe that's kind of what you're suggesting in option two.

I say sign stopgaps but make sure they're relatively young and be smart with their contracts, don't piss away draft picks for old and/or questionable talent, and continue to get younger through the draft.

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[quote=GMScud;519468]Of those 17, why does it have to be an immediate firesale? Option 1 seems kind of excessive. Can't we just gradually (over the course of 2 or 3 seasons) jettison those older large cap hits based on some hybrid formula of declining productivity and size of cap hit? Maybe that's kind of what you're suggesting in option two.[/quote]

The problem is we have a lot of age at a lot of positions. So in 2008 a guy like Jansen drops off the cliff and we have to replace him. Rabach may have to go too. Then next year maybe Thomas loses another step and we need an upgrade there. And how long does Samuels have left? We can bring in a couple Kendalls, but in two years we need to replace them again. Our 2010 O-Line is not looking very good right now.

On the D, Griffin, Daniels and Washington might have to go this year. Springs is probably gone. Fletcher's played 11 seasons already so he's gonna need some real help real soon. Taylor is likely gone and/or only has a couple semi-productive seasons left in him. Andre Carter's entering his 9th season in 2009, not exactly a spring chicken.

If you take out all the guys I mentioned in the next couple years what do we have left? And if you keep moving different guys in and out, it's really hard to build a cohesive core.

Plus the Skins track record on trades in less than stellar to put it kindly. We always pay too much, and make dumb moves like spending a 2nd rounder for Taylor, only to trade a younger and more valuable Moss for that same 2nd rounder a year later...

I kind of feel like flushing the system in 2009. Maybe we add a few select vets like Moss, Portis, Fletch, Samuels to option 1 and dump everyone else. Jansen, Thomas, Daniels, Springs, Taylor, Washington, Griffin, Smoot, Rabach all gone. If you're not looking like a solid contributor in 2010 I don't want you here. Eat a big chunk of deadcap this year and clean the books. Try to get as many picks as possible and let Zorn build the team he wants from the ground up. See which rookies stick and build from there. Spend the big money in a couple years when we're hopefully only a couple pieces away.

Look I'm just speculating/venting. I'd be very surprised if we did a real housecleaning. But maybe a 4-12 regroup season would serve us best for the long term.

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[quote=SmootSmack;519416]Well, you'll probably hear rumors of Houshmanzadeh. But I think those are bunk, probably being fed from right inside Redskins Park to jack up TJ's value (which is high as it is) since their division opponents are known to be interested.

And I don't think they're trying to get extra picks with the intent on spending a high pick on a #1 WR. So I agree we still would need someone. If healthy, big if, Kelly should be a lock to be the #2 WR this year. Thomas, will be in that 3/4 range in 2009, depending on how much he advances this off-season and what happens with El. And Davis should be much more involved, I would think.

You'll probably also hear rumors of Brandon Jones because of the Sherman Smith connection with Tennessee, I'm not buying those either.[/quote]I wish we could have a Kelly-Randle El receiver tandem, but unless Kelly shows the ability to make the down the field play, that's at least a year away from happening.

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[quote=SmootSmack;519408]I tend to agree. And if the rumors are true, he's much more actively being shopped and likely to be traded than Rogers. Apparently, the Redskins are eyeing three 2nd rounders again.[/quote]Well, I suppose they've at least got the whole drafting for value concept down.

They do make it crazy hard on themselves when they pay premium prices for mediocre talent though.

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Personally I wouldn't cry over trading Moss.

I like him but he's not what you want out of a true #1 WR. I think JLC said it best so I'll just quote him:

[QUOTE]Moss is no longer one of the elite receivers in the game. He is the best playmaker the Skins have, but without a dynamic second receiver to complement him, he's pretty easily taken away. His size is a detriment and unlike, say Carolina's Steve Smith, he isn't going to beat Cover-2 for deep plays with any sort of regularity. And with such a dearth of talent around him, that's generally what it takes for the Skins to have any offensive success. When opponents ignore him early, he reminds them that he can still play with a few big games. Then opponents double up on him and effectively shut him down. That's basically been the story of the past few seasons.[/QUOTE]

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[quote=Mattyk72;519531]Personally I wouldn't cry over trading Moss.

I like him but he's not what you want out of a true #1 WR. I think JLC said it best so I'll just quote him:[/quote]

Trading him for a 2nd round pick would make sense from a value standpoint, as JLC said, he's not really an elite guy anymore. But at the same time, we'd have to recognize that trading Moss for a pick would be making the team WORSE in 2009.

It's the kind of move that can pay off in the long run. But trading him would leave us with no WR even remotely proven capable of handling a starting role, let alone a #1 role. We'd easily have the worst WR corps in the league.

If the team made a move like this, it better be coupled with other house-cleaning moves like CC suggested. If you're going to choose the rebuild route, you gotta go all out for it and commit to the youth movement. I'd hate it if Moss were traded and then we went and kept Jason Taylor, something like that would make no sense. We'll see I suppose.

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[quote=Schneed10;519664]Trading him for a 2nd round pick would make sense from a value standpoint, as JLC said, he's not really an elite guy anymore. But at the same time, we'd have to recognize that trading Moss for a pick would be making the team WORSE in 2009.

It's the kind of move that can pay off in the long run. But trading him would leave us with no WR even remotely proven capable of handling a starting role, let alone a #1 role. We'd easily have the worst WR corps in the league.

If the team made a move like this, it better be coupled with other house-cleaning moves like CC suggested. If you're going to choose the rebuild route, you gotta go all out for it and commit to the youth movement. I'd hate it if Moss were traded and then we went and kept Jason Taylor, something like that would make no sense. We'll see I suppose.[/quote]

Ironically, the three free agents WRs we had most been associated with last off-season may be available this spring as well-Hackett, B. Johnson, and D. Jackson.

No doubt in my mind though that if they are able to get some 2nd round picks, with Moss being part of the leverage to get those, then you'll definitely hear a lot of buzz about the Redskins offering some package that includes a 1st this year or within the next three for Boldin.

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[quote=SmootSmack;519408]I tend to agree. And if the rumors are true, he's much more actively being shopped and likely to be traded than Rogers. Apparently, the Redskins are eyeing three 2nd rounders again.[/quote]

What "rumors" are there about santana moss being traded? Thus far, there have been no rumors about ANYONE on the skins roster being traded, unless you count JLC's speculation about Rogers. Even still, there have been no "rumors" about santana moss being traded that i'm aware of - just one fan's idle [I]speculation.[/I] There's a huge difference between a legitimate rumor and speculation, even if it is "educated" speculation.

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I think in a year that you have 4 draft picks and a lot of need, you would want to get some of those picks through a trade. Right now Moss would make the most sense. I think we could find a team to give us their 2nd rounder for Moss. While he has been great in some games, there are other games where he has been shut down and we have been fine (I believe the 1st game against the Iggles was an example). Someone said that Moss and ARE are those type of receivers that depend on speed, well once they hit 30 or more, they will lose a step and their effectiveness drops way down.

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If were going to rebuild the team then I think he could be traded for picks (Plural). He's still a very good receiver and is worth picks (Plural).

Seeing how Vinny says he wants more picks who could we trade?

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;519814]If were going to rebuild the team then I think he could be traded for picks (Plural). He's still a very good receiver and is worth picks (Plural).

Seeing how Vinny says he wants more picks who could we trade?[/quote]

We might get multiple picks for Santana but they would not equal the value of more than a 3rd rounder. No one's going to give us a 2nd for Moss.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;519858]We might get multiple picks for Santana but they would not equal the value of more than a 3rd rounder. No one's going to give us a 2nd for Moss.[/quote]

But with a 2nd rounder, we could trade our 1st round for a 2nd and a 4th round. I still think we could get a team to give us a 2nd rounder.

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I like Moss, but I think it'd be great for the franchise if he's traded. It would likely be an unpopular move both with fans and teammates (especially #26) but it's probably in the best interests of the team long-term. And I think it'd be a great sign if Snyder, Cerrato and Co. were willing to show that they can make the unpopular move and not worry about the fan reaction.

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I'd like to see them cut Taylor, Springs, and Washington to start -- they just can't be relied on to play through an entire season.

Then, I'd like to sign Dansby, and get all the linemen we can in the draft. If we have room left over, a possession WR would be nice (somebody like Muhammed -- quiet, cheap and effective).

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we cant keep wanting to trade the so called stars of the team. people complain about our receivers all of the time. so what do we want to do? trade are only legit receiver, thus creating another hole to fill. come on people, wise up

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[url=http://redskinshogheaven.com/2009/01/trade-rumors-only.html]Trade Rumors only - Hog Heaven[/url]

According to the link above, the redskins are rumored to be attempted to trade the following players:
[LIST][*]Carlos Rogers - 2nd Round Pick[*]Santana Moss - 2nd Round Pick[*]Kedrick Golston - 3rd Round Pick[*]Ladell Betts - 4th/5th Round Pick[/LIST]
The site also speculates that the Skins will attempt to trade Chris Horton for a 2nd Rounder. I actually like that move alot. LL can move back to SS and springs can move to FS/NB for a few years. I also like the idea of keeping Carlos, trading Moss, Golston, and Betts - if we could get a 4th rounder for him, which is doubtful. I personally think there is a chance we secretly shop Jason Campbell, too. If Vinny and Zorn are worried about their jobs, they may be more comfortable with a proven WCO vet starting next year.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;520114][URL="http://redskinshogheaven.com/2009/01/trade-rumors-only.html"]Trade Rumors only - Hog Heaven[/URL]

According to the link above, the redskins are rumored to be attempted to trade the following players:
[LIST][*]Carlos Rogers - 2nd Round Pick[*]Santana Moss - 2nd Round Pick[*]Kedrick Golston - 3rd Round Pick[*]Ladell Betts - 4th/5th Round Pick[/LIST]
The site also speculates that the Skins will attempt to trade Chris Horton for a 2nd Rounder. I actually like that move alot. LL can move back to SS and springs can move to FS/NB for a few years. I also like the idea of keeping Carlos, trading Moss, Golston, and Betts - if we could get a 4th rounder for him, which is doubtful. I personally think there is a chance we secretly shop Jason Campbell, too. If Vinny and Zorn are worried about their jobs, they may be more comfortable with a proven WCO vet starting next year.[/quote]For what it's worth, I wrote that yesterday.

Horton is just me speculating, based on what I know of the Redskins desires and historical trends. I've heard nothing on him. The others are simply players who we know they are shopping, but in the case of Golston and Betts, what I believe they could reasonably get for them.

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[quote=dmek25;520097]we cant keep wanting to trade the so called stars of the team. people complain about our receivers all of the time. so what do we want to do? trade are only legit receiver, thus creating another hole to fill. come on people, wise up[/quote]

I think the idea is that we arent going to be "contenders" for 2-3 more years - at which point Moss would be gone anyways. A smart GM would trade Moss now, realizing we need to get younger players who will be able to contribute to this team in the future - the idea is to lay the fondation for a dynsaty that can start in 2-3 years. Keeping Moss here would just perpetuate the cycle of mediocrity.

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You can still lay a foundation without trading away key veterans like Moss. Thomas and Kelly will both have the chance to compete for a starting job next year, and both [I]should[/I] be ready to contribute much more than they did this year.

Trading away Moss would leave this WR corps in world of hurt for the short term. I understand the rationale for at least shopping Moss, but I don't like the idea of leaving such a big void in the WR corps.

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[quote=Mattyk72;520127]Trading away Moss would leave this WR corps in world of hurt for the short term. I understand the rationale for at least shopping Moss, but I don't like the idea of leaving such a big void in the WR corps.[/quote]I know in terms of giving Jason Campbell the best chance to succeed, trading Moss is a tough pill to swallow in the short term, but there are cost-effective receivers in free agency every year that could bridge the gap to Kelly, and allow us to have our cake (the second round pick), and eat it too (still have a breakout year for Campbell).

But of course, you have to be careful not to screw Zorn over in the process: "Hey, we're taking away your best WR and CB, now go make the playoffs or your fired" style.

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[quote=GTripp0012;520139]I know in terms of giving Jason Campbell the best chance to succeed, trading Moss is a tough pill to swallow in the short term, but there are cost-effective receivers in free agency every year that could bridge the gap to Kelly, and allow us to have our cake (the second round pick), and eat it too (still have a breakout year for Campbell).

But of course, you have to be careful not to screw Zorn over in the process: "Hey, we're taking away your best WR and CB, now go make the playoffs or your fired" style.[/quote]

I would hope Zorn would have a say in something as significant as letting a #1 WR go.

Maybe we could trade Moss and sign Houshmandzadeh? Probably wishful thinking as Cincy would be pretty dumb to let him get away. I'm not sure there are any other quality #1 types out there this year.

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I couldn't imagine getting a #2 for Moss. I would drive him to the airport if that were possible.

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[quote=Mattyk72;520142]I would hope Zorn would have a say in something as significant as letting a #1 WR go.

Maybe we could trade Moss and sign Houshmandzadeh? Probably wishful thinking as Cincy would be pretty dumb to let him get away. I'm not sure there are any other quality #1 types out there this year.[/quote]Probably have to cut Jason Taylor to do so, but that would be the closest possible thing to making up for that deal.

I don't think Housh will come cheap, but in the current economic climate, you never know, he just might.

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Housh would command top dollar especially in a pretty thin WR free agent market.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;520114][url=http://redskinshogheaven.com/2009/01/trade-rumors-only.html]Trade Rumors only - Hog Heaven[/url]

According to the link above, the redskins are rumored to be attempted to trade the following players:
[LIST][*]Carlos Rogers - 2nd Round Pick[*]Santana Moss - 2nd Round Pick[*]Kedrick Golston - 3rd Round Pick[*]Ladell Betts - 4th/5th Round Pick[/LIST]
[B]The site also speculates that the Skins will attempt to trade Chris Horton for a 2nd Rounder. I actually like that move alot. LL can move back to SS and springs can move to FS/NB for a few years. [/B]I also like the idea of keeping Carlos, trading Moss, Golston, and Betts - if we could get a 4th rounder for him, which is doubtful. I personally think there is a chance we secretly shop Jason Campbell, too. If Vinny and Zorn are worried about their jobs, they may be more comfortable with a proven WCO vet starting next year.[/quote]

This is a really bad idea.
1) Springs is more than skilled enough to be a FS, but the problems is he has problems staying healthy at CB. He will never stay healthy at the very physical/high contact FS position. FS is a very high contact position compared to CB.
2) Why trade a young, cheap and proven player for a draft pick that given our drafting ability, will end up being a bench player.

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Trading Horton would be pretty dumb. I highly doubt it would happen though.

I know we say it all the time, but I really think people play too much Madden. Some of these moves that people come up with are just ridiculous and flat out dumb at times.

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[quote=Mattyk72;520142]I would hope Zorn would have a say in something as significant as letting a #1 WR go.

Maybe we could trade Moss and sign Houshmandzadeh? Probably wishful thinking as Cincy would be pretty dumb to let him get away. I'm not sure there are any other quality #1 types out there this year.[/quote]

I think Cincy is that dumb, having Housh and CJ didn't help this year, and they could have gotten some picks for CJ.

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[quote=Mattyk72;520168]Trading Horton would be pretty dumb. I highly doubt it would happen though.

I know we say it all the time, but I really think people play too much Madden. Some of these moves that people come up with are just ridiculous and flat out dumb at times.[/quote]

What, don't teams go for it on 4th and 10 on their own 30 yd line all the time? LOL. :smashfrea