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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;519131]This is old news, it was discussed ad-nauseum Monday when it happened. I'll restate my thoughts:

1. Portis is an idiot and becoming a locker room cancer.
2. That said, he's 100% correct. The reason we were so successful running the ball (and winning games) is because in the first half of the season, we were still using the Joe Gibbs running game. Starting 6-2 was -more than anything else- a carry-over from the system Joe Gibbs installed. The new passing game Zorn installed here was down right horrible. The one thing working for our offense was the running game -- and Zorn decided to start messing with it. Zorn is an idiot.

What does it all mean?

1.This is a 6-10 team (at best) next year.
2. Zorn will be fired.
3. Vinny will be fired. (He said in an interview Snyder was only giving he and Zorn two years to right the ship).
4. Next year, at this time, Synder will attempt to hire BIll Cowher to a 12-15M per year annual contract to be our head coach/team president/general manager. Unfortunately, He will probably be beat out by Jerry Jones. There is no logical reason for Jones to have not fired Wade Phillips by now - none. the only reason he still has a job is because Jones wants Cowher and is keeping the team intact until then.
5. If Snyder can't outbid Jones in landing Cowher, plan B will be to hire Mike Holmgren as our GM and Mike Shanahan as our Head coach. This is actually may be a better situation for the skins anyway. Shanahan/Holmgren live and breathe the WCO, so we wouldn't have to change to a brand new offensive system again. They are also offensive guys so they would probably be fine leaving the defensive system in tact - our team would have far greater continuity with a Holmgren/Shanahan combo than by bringing in anyone else.[/quote]

You know I hate to agree with Bighair because he comes of arrogant at times but, He might just be right on this one. Let's hope not.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;519167]I'm in risk management. I dont see how my profession is relevant though.[/quote]

Like at a bank? That's pretty cool.

I was just curious. Sorry to go off-topic

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Well Portis did a follow up to this and said that the coach staff in the middle of the season just kind of blew off stump Mitchell and anything he tried to say or do in regards to the running game. I agree Portis should not air his difference in public but I don't think he said anything about the coaching staff that other player don't feel themself. Also the other players know that Portis come in each Sunday and gives 110% so I don't think they will get to down on him and what he says unless he starts calling out players by name. He also gave props to the line and other players and theses statement he made where more toward Zorn and the coaching staff.

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[quote=SmootSmack;519171]Like at a bank? That's pretty cool.

I was just curious. Sorry to go off-topic[/quote]

yeah, its definitely interesting.

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[quote=44ever;519170]You know I hate to agree with Bighair because he comes of arrogant at times but, He might just be right on this one. Let's hope not.

It's almost like a split personality or somthing (Bighair)???[/quote]

Sorry for coming off as arrogant. I guess i'm just opinionated. i'll work on it.

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[quote=Hog1;519108]EXACTLY....right and wrong DO NOT enter the equation......sadly CP does not get it. AND the John Thompson show is making a killing on his stupidity[/quote]

im tellin ya, the JT show knows how to pull portis' strings and they are milking this cow for all its worth. they just keep asking him the same question with different language or approach and eventually Cp opens his mouth and just tells it like it is.

he needs to get off that show or atleast dont have him call in on his cell phone like hes just talkin to one of his boys. if he was in the studio i think he would have a better understanding that what he is saying is being broadcast for all to hear.

I kinda blame the JT show and Bmitch for using CP and his loose mouth to make their show cant miss radio. they know what they are doing, Cp doesnt.

go skins!!

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;519176]Sorry for coming off as arrogant. I guess i'm just opinionated. i'll work on it.[/quote]

At least your consistent. (I was joking)

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I have a love & hate thing with CP. I love it when he goes out there and plays his heart out. I hate it when he opens his mouth. This should be kept in the locker room, period. I think he should be fined and kept on a short leash. They have made him apologize when he said stupid things in the past. We'll have him for another year or two regardless. That's as long as he'll last anyway considering they put the weight of the world on his shoulders. We do have Ladel and Rock but barely use them anymore?
Clinton is a little dense though. He said he didn't make any mistakes. I wonder what all of those fumbled balls are called? If your reading this CP, I love you but please shut up.

Something else came to my mind. Do y'all remember all of the problems that the Giants were having? All of the mouthy little children pouting in the locker room had that team on its head. Guess what happened when they left? SUPER BOWL.

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[quote=irish;519106]The problem is that CP knows DS will back him over JZ or any other coach. Hence the coach's authority in undermined. Had CP pulled this crap on almost any other team he'd be suspended at least and at worst looking for another team that wants his services. I seriously doubt the Eagles or Giants head coach would let CP shoot his mouth off like this without some serious repercussions but those head coaches know the owner will back them.[/quote]
Agree 100%. Snyder needs to keep the chain of command intact. Snyder - Cerrato - Zorn - Asst Coaches - Players.

Nothing wrong with an open door policy to air complaints/issues if they haven't been addressed through the chain, but his "stargazing" should've stopped by now, he's owned the team for over 10 years. I'm sure in his other businesses he didn't let an employee or mid-level manager by-pass a senior manager or VP and come right to him. He needs to tell Cerrato & Zorn to talk to Portis and tell him to shut-up or he'll be fined/benched.

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If anyone has the right to complain (and if they do, it should not be publicly), it is the members of our defense.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;519131]2. That said, he's 100% correct. The reason we were so successful running the ball (and winning games) is because in the first half of the season, we were still using the Joe Gibbs running game. Starting 6-2 was -more than anything else- a carry-over from the system Joe Gibbs installed. The new passing game Zorn installed here was down right horrible. The one thing working for our offense was the running game -- and Zorn decided to start messing with it. Zorn is an idiot.[/quote]
Factually wrong. Zorn's playcalling and Campbell's ability to avoid negative plays saved what could've been even more disastarous of a second half of the season. Zorn really only made a few bad playcalls IMO, the Sellers Goalline plays and a few others. I guess the timely screens and draws that were successful were terrible playcalls.....

[quote]
1.This is a 6-10 team (at best) next year.
2. Zorn will be fired.
3. Vinny will be fired. (He said in an interview Snyder was only giving he and Zorn two years to right the ship).
4. Next year, at this time, Synder will attempt to hire BIll Cowher to a 12-15M per year annual contract to be our head coach/team president/general manager. Unfortunately, He will probably be beat out by Jerry Jones. There is no logical reason for Jones to have not fired Wade Phillips by now - none. the only reason he still has a job is because Jones wants Cowher and is keeping the team intact until then.
5. If Snyder can't outbid Jones in landing Cowher, plan B will be to hire Mike Holmgren as our GM and Mike Shanahan as our Head coach. This is actually may be a better situation for the skins anyway. Shanahan/Holmgren live and breathe the WCO, so we wouldn't have to change to a brand new offensive system again. They are also offensive guys so they would probably be fine leaving the defensive system in tact - our team would have far greater continuity with a Holmgren/Shanahan combo than by bringing in anyone else.[/quote]
1. Wrong
2. Wrong
3. Wrong
4. What has the chin done that's so incredible? He had remarkable support from ownership, good talent, weak division and one SB in 15 years. He'll be out of football two years next year.
5. What has Shanahan after the two SBs (post-Elway)? Support from ownership, good talent, weak division, nothing to show for it.

How about we stop trying to pin blame on one or two people (Snyder, Cerrato, Zorn, Campbell). We have flaws that will not be fixed in one year. Maybe we should focus on rebuilding the OL & DL and developing the talent and system we have in place. There is no miracle owner/GM/coach/player that will swoop down and bring us a SB. We tried that five years ago with a HOF coach, and IMO one of the best if not the best ever, and he couldn't bring home a SB trophy.

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[quote=calia;519196]If anyone has the right to complain (and if they do, it should not be publicly), it is the members of our defense.[/quote]

yup!

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;519207]
...
4. What has the chin done that's so incredible? He had [B]remarkable support from ownership[/B], good talent, weak division and one SB in 15 years. He'll be out of football two years next year.
5. What has Shanahan after the two SBs (post-Elway)? [B]Support from ownership[/B], good talent, weak division, nothing to show for it.

How about we stop trying to pin blame on one or two people (Snyder, Cerrato, Zorn, Campbell). We have flaws that will not be fixed in one year. Maybe we should focus on rebuilding the OL & DL and developing the talent and system we have in place. There is no miracle owner/GM/coach/player that will swoop down and bring us a SB. We tried that five years ago with a HOF coach, and IMO one of the best if not the best ever, and he couldn't bring home a SB trophy.[/quote]

Support of the ownership also kept Gibbs 1 alive. yes he got 3 SB rings, but if not for Jack Kent Cookes dedication to him, who knows. I just think this is the key thing that our team needs now. we've tried every combination known to man except just letting patience and structure grow. The bad part of that is while it is developing, all us fans can do is wait and hope.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;519231]Support of the ownership also kept Gibbs 1 alive. yes he got 3 SB rings, but if not for Jack Kent Cookes dedication to him, who knows. I just think this is the key thing that our team needs now. we've tried every combination known to man except just letting patience and structure grow. The bad part of that is while it is developing, all us fans can do is wait and hope.[/quote]

Very well said CRedskinsRule. I agree 100%

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;519104]I guess Portis never heard this bit of wisdom; Better to be thought a fool, than open your mouth and remove all doubt. Portis' definitely doesn't have a bright future ahead as an analyst.....

.[/quote]

Portis was never destined for being an analyst anyway.

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Terrell Owens is a diva who plays wide receiver.

Clinton Portis is a diva who plays running back.


Terrell Owens' skills are slipping and he will soon reach the point where his value on the field is no longer worth the baggage he brings along with him.

Clinton Portis' skills are slipping and he will soon reach the point where his value on the field is no longer worth the baggage he brings along with him.


If the comparisons with Terrell Owens offend folks here, substitute the name "Chad Ocho Cinco", "Brett Favre", KW II ...

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;519231]Support of the ownership also kept Gibbs 1 alive. yes he got 3 SB rings, but if not for Jack Kent Cookes dedication to him, who knows. I just think this is the key thing that our team needs now. we've tried every combination known to man except just letting patience and structure grow. The bad part of that is while it is developing, all us fans can do is wait and hope.[/quote]


Well said, and much agreed. But I must add that Gibbs having chalked up a Super Bowl after season 2 certainly kept Cooke dedicated.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;519231]Support of the ownership also kept Gibbs 1 alive. yes he got 3 SB rings, but if not for Jack Kent Cookes dedication to him, who knows. I just think this is the key thing that our team needs now. we've tried every combination known to man except just letting patience and structure grow. The bad part of that is while it is developing, all us fans can do is wait and hope.[/quote]
Agree 100%. JKC was a great owner and Bethard a great GM.

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cmon CP. u leave me no room to defend you with sh*t like this...

NOBODY INTERVIEW THIS DUDE! Great RB...but he talks dumb sometimes.

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13,000,000!!!! against the cap. You guy's can say what you want, this brother isn't going anywhere! LMAO, This guy played when other players in the league was crying over a broken finger nail. So I am sure he gives a shit about what you all think of him. LMAO

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;519184]I have a love & hate thing with CP. I love it when he goes out there and plays his heart out. I hate it when he opens his mouth. This should be kept in the locker room, period. I think he should be fined and kept on a short leash. They have made him apologize when he said stupid things in the past. We'll have him for another year or two regardless. That's as long as he'll last anyway considering they put the weight of the world on his shoulders. We do have Ladel and Rock but barely use them anymore?
Clinton is a little dense though. He said he didn't make any mistakes. I wonder what all of those fumbled balls are called? If your reading this CP, I love you but please shut up.

Something else came to my mind. Do y'all remember all of the problems that the Giants were having? All of the mouthy little children pouting in the locker room had that team on its head. Guess what happened when they left? SUPER BOWL.[/quote]

I Doubt he is reading this? he probably to busy cashing checks!!! too funny

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This says it all

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2009/01/2008_positional_review_-_runni.html?wprss=redskinsinsider]Redskins by Position: Running Backs - Redskins Insider[/url]

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Two things, 1) Average to Good Running Backs are a dime a dozen, 2) I like the way Portis plays, but fans go to FEDEX to see the Redskins play, not see the Clinton Portis show.

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I'll just copy a post I made over 2 years ago...

"Surprise, surprise, Portis whining again.

He needs to STFU and do what he's told."

I got raked over the coals for that then, now it seems most people feel the same.

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[quote=davy;519329]I'll just copy a post I made over 2 years ago...

"Surprise, surprise, Portis whining again.

He needs to STFU and do what he's told."

I got raked over the coals for that then, now it seems most people feel the same.[/quote]


I like that (STFU). I don't text or chat and blogging is new to me. I've tried to leave behind acronyms after the military but I think I'll keep that. Here's one, CP luv ya but STFU!

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[quote=DarkKnight;519292]I Doubt he is reading this? he probably to busy cashing checks!!! too funny[/quote]

Ya Trick Ya

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it would not hurt my feelings one bit if the skins got rid of portis. i'm pretty sick and tired of all his crap.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;519297]This says it all

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2009/01/2008_positional_review_-_runni.html?wprss=redskinsinsider]Redskins by Position: Running Backs - Redskins Insider[/url][/quote]

JLC comes off as a moron once again. Throwing a hand-full of stats regarding Portis' inability to break long runs anymore! Question: how many times this season did we see Portis actually get out into open space w/ just one or two defenders left to beat? Maybe 2-4 times total. And yes maybe Westbrook or AP would have taken it to the house, so theoretically this team would have scored 14-28 more points on the season. Difference enough to be a playoff team? Hardly. Difference enough to even have won 2 more games? Probably not.

Point is CP gets gang-tackled 5 to 7 yards beyond the LOS almost every time he carries the ball because our line is a joke. We're old, small and slow. Oldest line in the NFC East. Smallest line in the NFC East. And absolutely the slowest because these guys almost never block downfield. You just don't see it happen. As I've said elsewhere another scat-back won't bring shit until the line is completely replaced (w/ the possible exception of Samuels, who should probably play RT). You wanna see ugly? Put Sproles in our backfield for a whole game.

While i'm just as sick and tired of CP running his mouth as the rest, he is justified in being critical, but IMHO he's too dumb to know what deserves criticism. Is it Zorn's fault we did absolutely nothing to improve the foundation of the offense from '07 to '08, that we stayed w/ the oldest, smallest, slowest line in the division? Hardly. If CP could think through his rather juvenile emotions he'd probably be throwing Danny/Vinny under the bus and asking for a trade unless the o-line is replaced ASAP. Interesting what might happen then.

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[quote]13,000,000!!!! against the cap. You guy's can say what you want, this brother isn't going anywhere! LMAO, This guy played when other players in the league was crying over a broken finger nail. So I am sure he gives a shit about what you all think of him. LMAO[/quote]

He has one more year here. According to the cap sheets (and Schneed for helping me read them) Portis is cuttable after this year -- and I think he'll be gone. He talks too much, doesn't break long runs/tackles once he gets to the second level. Running back is a young mans position. Get em young, get rid of em by 28-31.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;519297]This says it all

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2009/01/2008_positional_review_-_runni.html?wprss=redskinsinsider]Redskins by Position: Running Backs - Redskins Insider[/url][/quote]

been saying this for 2 seasons.

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I really think they ought to look into trading Portis (if that is even feasible due to his contract). He is a baller but for a team that is looking to move in a new direction it just seems as though this guy is consistently complaining and whining. If the Redskins could acquire a 1st rounder for Portis I would think they should pull the trigger.

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[quote=Ruhskins;519146]

Sadly, this appears to be Clinton Portis' team, and the problem with that is that Portis is two outrageous comments from becoming a T.O. or a Chad Johnson. You'll see if many of the successful teams, there is an established veteran leadership among players (Brady in NE, Manning in Indy, Ray Lewis in Baltimore), I'm just not seeing that in our team. I fear that this leadership vacuum is going to cause the team to blow up if and when they have a losing season.[/quote]

springs showed up in shape and played very well when he did.. the injuries were a bit much though

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[quote=SmootSmack;519148] Snyder has a bad habit of trying to be one of the guys by bowing down to a player and giving them whatever they want, sometimes at the expense of the rest of the organization. He did it with Darrell Green, with Bruce Smith, and now he might be doing it with Portis. He needs to put his foot down.
[/quote]

He needs to close his door and sign checks only.

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[quote=tryfuhl;519431]He needs to close his door and sign checks only.[/quote]

Yup. And two of those checks need to go to Jordan Cross and Duke Robinson. They'll be a bit cheaper now too.

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[quote=The Goat;519420]JLC comes off as a moron once again. Throwing a hand-full of stats regarding Portis' inability to break long runs anymore! Question: how many times this season did we see Portis actually get out into open space w/ just one or two defenders left to beat? Maybe 2-4 times total. And yes maybe Westbrook or AP would have taken it to the house, so theoretically this team would have scored 14-28 more points on the season. Difference enough to be a playoff team? Hardly. Difference enough to even have won 2 more games? Probably not.

Point is CP gets gang-tackled 5 to 7 yards beyond the LOS almost every time he carries the ball because our line is a joke. We're old, small and slow. Oldest line in the NFC East. Smallest line in the NFC East. And absolutely the slowest because these guys almost never block downfield. You just don't see it happen. As I've said elsewhere another scat-back won't bring shit until the line is completely replaced (w/ the possible exception of Samuels, who should probably play RT). You wanna see ugly? Put Sproles in our backfield for a whole game.

While i'm just as sick and tired of CP running his mouth as the rest, he is justified in being critical, but IMHO he's too dumb to know what deserves criticism. Is it Zorn's fault we did absolutely nothing to improve the foundation of the offense from '07 to '08, that we stayed w/ the oldest, smallest, slowest line in the division? Hardly. If CP could think through his rather juvenile emotions he'd probably be throwing Danny/Vinny under the bus and asking for a trade unless the o-line is replaced ASAP. Interesting what might happen then.[/quote]

Yeah I can see some of that but it's hard for me to back up CP when he can't seem to keep his mouth shut. I can't see him throwing Danny boy under the bus. He's have to pop him off his cheecks first.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;519492]Yeah I can see some of that but it's hard for me to back up CP when he can't seem to keep his mouth shut. I can't see him throwing Danny boy under the bus. He's have to pop him off his cheecks first.[/quote]

FFMMF...

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1Ijb0Ndw-g&feature=related]YouTube - Jay And Silent Bob- Motha Fuck Fuck[/ame]

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the dudes just pissed hes sitting home watching other teams in the playoffs.. let it all boil over. CPs mentality will improve as the new season approaches... and BTW i doubt hed throw Snyder under the bus... he also never really threw Zorn under the bus... he just simply said he was frustrated he wasnt getting the ball in key situations... i coulda swore he was a little nicked up but... like he said... if hes dressed i guess he should be playing. He is better than Betts... NO NO.. He is (on any situation..unless its the quick screen).

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;519113]1) Read Schneed's Post #3 before you make the statement that Zorn is an idiot. I would take Zorn's experience/opinion (over 35 years) over Portis' any day of the week and twice on Sunday. Portis isn't the most cerebral guy on the team, he responds to everything emotionally.

2) Our offensive line is the smallest in our division: Average weight of OLs in NFC East: Eagles 330, Cowboys 327, Giants 315, Skins 302. By no means is our OL a "grind it out, smashmouth" OL. The average age of the starters, (with Jansen in) is 32 years old. Over a 16 game season of pounding an older, smaller OL will break down, that's what happened. Unfortunately this isn't the Hogs of 80-92.

3) Have you ever called plays for an offense with a poor OL up front....my guess is no. It's not fun and every playcall, even what should be simple ones, is difficult.

4) My guess is Buges isn't ripping anyone, it's his unit that was the primary reason for the 2-6 drop-off at the end of the season. Not that it's his fault, but IMO it's time for Buges to retire. We need to bring in an OL coach with WCO experience. We certainly need to retool the OL. We desperately need youth/size. C, and a young stud LT would be my primary targets. Move Samuels to the right side, he's having trouble with speed off the edge. Hopefully Rinehart develops and between, Kendall, Jansen, Heyer we have serviceable back-ups at C, G, T.

Portis needs to STFU and just play football, he's getting $ 5.6M in 2009 and $ 10M in 2010. Do your job, let the coaches do theirs. Nothing helps a coaching staff more than a highly paid veteran criticizing and whining to the media about internal dirty laundry every week.....[/quote]
I agree with alot of what you said, But what if the O-line and Portis did'nt get hurt we may have stayed where we were. There's alot of woulda shoulda coulda, But our season must be thought of as a success with all the things we had to overcome new coach, new system, tough division. And Samuels was hurt in the end of the season, He's a pro-bowler and one of the best LT's in the league. I would like to see Heyer start at RT he impressed down the strech.

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[quote=DarkKnight;519502]FFMMF...

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1Ijb0Ndw-g&feature=related]YouTube - Jay And Silent Bob- Motha **** ****[/url][/quote]

Don't know what that's all about? I don't think CP is that juvenile, but close.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;519113]1) Read Schneed's Post #3 before you make the statement that Zorn is an idiot. I would take Zorn's experience/opinion (over 35 years) over Portis' any day of the week and twice on Sunday. Portis isn't the most cerebral guy on the team, he responds to everything emotionally.

2) Our offensive line is the smallest in our division: Average weight of OLs in NFC East: Eagles 330, Cowboys 327, Giants 315, Skins 302. By no means is our OL a "grind it out, smashmouth" OL. The average age of the starters, (with Jansen in) is 32 years old. Over a 16 game season of pounding an older, smaller OL will break down, that's what happened. Unfortunately this isn't the Hogs of 80-92.

3) Have you ever called plays for an offense with a poor OL up front....my guess is no. It's not fun and every playcall, even what should be simple ones, is difficult.

4) My guess is Buges isn't ripping anyone, it's his unit that was the primary reason for the 2-6 drop-off at the end of the season. Not that it's his fault, but IMO it's time for Buges to retire. We need to bring in an OL coach with WCO experience. We certainly need to retool the OL. We desperately need youth/size. C, and a young stud LT would be my primary targets. Move Samuels to the right side, he's having trouble with speed off the edge. Hopefully Rinehart develops and between, Kendall, Jansen, Heyer we have serviceable back-ups at C, G, T.

Portis needs to STFU and just play football, he's getting $ 5.6M in 2009 and $ 10M in 2010. Do your job, let the coaches do theirs. Nothing helps a coaching staff more than a highly paid veteran criticizing and whining to the media about internal dirty laundry every week.....[/quote]

:goodjob: Well said Sammy. You've said it better than I could have. Great Post!