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[quote=firstdown;521840]Not to change the subject but dang, Obama could have learned the oath of office before doing so in front of the world.
[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgQp7gCguc8"]YouTube - Barack Obama Taking Oath of office[/URL][/quote]

I think maybe Roberts was the one who blundered it up. He threw Obama off.

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[quote=FRPLG;521843]I think maybe Roberts was the one who blundered it up. He threw Obama off.[/quote]

[URL="http://blogs.abcnews.com/theworldnewser/2009/01/the-inuagural-o.html"]
Roberts messed up.[/URL] He went out of turn and he actually managed to rearrange [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of_office_of_the_President_of_the_United_States"]the words of the presidential oath of office[/URL].


I'm pretty sure conspiracy theorist from both sides are brewing a neat theory. The wingnuts will most certainly go with "he's not president because he didn't take the oath properly" and the moonbats will concoct a theory along the lines of "Roberts intentionally tried to ruin the swearing in ceremony."

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Hey Trample, I see that you are from Varina Va. I graduated from Henrico high school in 1988. So I think that you will have an appreciation for some of these interesting nuggets of info that I'm about to lay down.

You see, unlike some of these guys who think that they know about what diversity is. And preach about how we should all be more tolerant. I lived it growing up in a diverse neighborhood in the 1980's. I also have quite a few good friends that are dare I say, are of color.

I did not vote for our current president because of his complexion. I voted against him because I thought that his goals and aspirations to lead America were nowhere close to mine. And the suspect associations he had.

While working today at Highland Springs high school, I noticed that most of the staff and students at this 93% African-American school wore some kind of pro-Obama gear. And also, the school had on their projection screens, news coverage of the inauguration pretty much all during the school day.

I heard alot of things that disturbed me as I passed by these classrooms during my day of work there. I heard things like: "Hey y'all, our president is BLACK! Hey everybody, we got our n!@@a in the White House! There will be fried chicken in the White House tonite!" Or when Joe Biden kissed his sons at the inauguration, I heard a several people say "what is he gay or something?" These things were all said with administrators there in the classrooms, and nobody ever corrected these actions.

I thought to myself that this was a truly sad and pitiful way bring in change. And then you would hear the "Yes we can" chants in the hallways. And, I thought to myself again, yes we can what? Elect an African American for president?.?. We sure did. I just hope that these same people are truly willing to roll up there sleeve and be productive and responsible citizens that would be in keeping with the speeches that Obama gave today.

The world is watching now........

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4mrusmc you're clearly out of the loop and missed the jokes entirely. Some of the language used is crude and offensive but no self-respecting African American would say "there will be fried chicken in the White House tonight" and mean it, not even kids. I mean, I've been giving my conservative friends hell lately with "the White House needs a new paint job," "it's back season," "Obama birthday should be a federal holiday," "the black man is taking over," "watch-out white folks, there's a new black sheriff in town," etc, etc, etc, so on and so on.

Anywho, I find the language you used off-putting. You being an adult and all I wonder why didn't say something and set "these people" straight? Evil prevails after all when good men fail to act.

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[quote=4mrusmc;521845]Hey Trample, I see that you are from Varina Va. I graduated from Henrico high school in 1988. So I think that you will have an appreciation for some of these interesting nuggets of info that I'm about to lay down.

You see, unlike some of these guys who think that they know about what diversity is. And preach about how we should all be more tolerant. I lived it growing up in a diverse neighborhood in the 1980's. I also have quite a few good friends that are dare I say, are of color.

I did not vote for our current president because of his complexion. I voted against him because I thought that his goals and aspirations to lead America were nowhere close to mine. And the suspect associations he had.

While working today at Highland Springs high school, I noticed that most of the staff and students at this 93% African-American school wore some kind of pro-Obama gear. And also, the school had on their projection screens, news coverage of the inauguration pretty much all during the school day.

I heard alot of things that disturbed me as I passed by these classrooms during my day of work there. I heard things like: "Hey y'all, our president is BLACK! Hey everybody, we got our n!@@a in the White House! There will be fried chicken in the White House tonite!" Or when Joe Biden kissed his sons at the inauguration, I heard a several people say "what is he gay or something?" These things were all said with administrators there in the classrooms, and nobody ever corrected these actions.

I thought to myself that this was a truly sad and pitiful way bring in change. And then you would hear the "Yes we can" chants in the hallways. And, I thought to myself again, yes we can what? Elect an African American for president?.?. We sure did. I just hope that these same people are truly willing to roll up there sleeve and be productive and responsible citizens that would be in keeping with the speeches that Obama gave today.

The world is watching now........[/quote]

You Deserve the Navy Cross for teaching at Highland Springs.
I graduated from Varina in 96.
I really don't care about ole boy's race. If it had to be a black guy then I'd loved to get Doug Wilder in there to talk smack and fight Congress like he did City Council.
A local talk station had a test from the 1900s for a high school exit test form some mid-west state. I had a hard time with the questions.
To me they're dumbing the schools down. I barely graduated from Varina because it was the same old drivel year after year. How many times can you read Edgar Allen Poe or The Awakening? When I went to college I got strait As.
I didn't vote for any of them because of their views. Yeah McCain was a war hero but so was Grant and he didn't turn out to be such a great President.
My boys Ron Paul and Duncan Hunter got laughed off stage. I couldn't tell the difference between Obama or McCain really.
Is today a great day? I guess for Black people and Democrats. Yes I understand that it's a big thing for Black people. But MLK said we should judge a person by their character not by the color of their skin. I'm not one of these yuppy types who believes he needs to show the world we're not a racist country, if anything Germany and Japan do!
I just get frustrated, especially at work. They tried to pull that race card B.S. on me just because I didn't like Obama. Homie don't play that. They were all glued to tv today. They were so happy.
So be it. The man won fair and square. I'm just worried that everyone is so entralled with Keynesian Economics and that Obama's and Congress' answer to this economic downturn (and everything else) is to throw money at it. McCain is in the same camp IMO.
Here's a little insider knowledge from working in the banking industry. A lot of banks that didn't need or ask for TARP money were strong armed into taking it. I'll bet you a Silver Eagle that the money they say they can't account for went strait to Red China to pay off some debt so they wouldn't dump the T-Bills they're holding.

Was this a good day for the country? We'll have to wait and see. At least we'll have a President who can speak the language.

Highland Springs and J Sarg get a bad wrap. Y'all have some very good math teachers.

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I thought Obama gave a good speech. Good but not great. I think he is at a disadvantage because the press has built him up as a great orator and it is difficult to deliver greatness everytime. Of course as a conservative I am biased, but I thought the best bit was the part about outlasting those who would seek to destroy us and extending the open hand if they will unclinch the fist.

I was watching the little lunch they have for the new president in Statuary Hall and Tim Gietner(sp?) was pacing and talking on his cell phone. More good economic news no doubt. I wouldn't trade places with that guy for anything. Obama will be judged completely on the economy. Everything else is a sideshow.

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[quote=70Chip;521852]I thought Obama gave a good speech. Good but not great. I think he is at a disadvantage because the press has built him up as a great orator and it is difficult to deliver greatness everytime. Of course as a conservative I am biased, but I thought the best bit was the part about outlasting those who would seek to destroy us and extending the open hand if they will unclinch the fist.

I was watching the little lunch they have for the new president in Statuary Hall and Tim Gietner(sp?) was pacing and talking on his cell phone. More good economic news no doubt. I wouldn't trade places with that guy for anything. [B]Obama will be judged completely on the economy.[/B] Everything else is a sideshow.[/quote]

On the economy or fixing the economy? What if there is another terrorist attack? Whatever happens someone is always going to try to "cut off his nuts."

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[quote=saden1;521854]On the economy or fixing the economy? What if there is another terrorist attack? Whatever happens someone is always going to try to "cut off his nuts."[/quote]


If he can turn this economy around, they will repeal the 22nd? Ammendment and he will be President for life.

In terms of terrorism, it's a question of scale. If they bomb an embassy and kill tens of people, it won't sidetrack his administration. He will do a more vocal version of Clinton. If there is a large scale attack in this country, then he has a two-headed monster to deal with (economy and national security). My take is that Al-Quada has been weakened to the point that they cannot mount a large scale attack. Most of the other groups are Sunni and Sunnis only attack if they get the go ahead from some authority like Khameni in Iran or Nasralah, the Hesbollah Chief. I don't think they will percieve that it is in their interest to go on the offensive in the near future - at least not against the U.S. I think they will sit tight for now. If they were to attack an Obama led U.S., surely world opinion fron Beijing, to Moscow, to Western Europe, to the developing world would turn savagely against them. There is nothing in it for them in that regard.

The only thing that scares me is that $35 oil may drive the Iranians to create trouble in the usual places in order to drive up the price. A continual series of small scale actions might have this affect. Kidnappings, assasinations and the like.

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[quote=Daseal;521769]If this were a socialist country, I wouldn't be paying 1000 a week for health care, trample.[/quote]
If you were in a socialist country , you couldn't afford 500 a month for health care . If you pay 1,000 per week , you must make a hell of alot of dough , congrads . I would shop around , you could find much cheaper health care .

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[quote=Daseal;521769]If this were a socialist country, I wouldn't be paying 1000 a week for health care, trample.[/quote]

Good Lord that's a buttload for coverage. You must be exaggerating or mistaken. That's $52,000 a year on health insurance alone. You'd have to make $100-120K (before taxes) just to get by.

I assume you meant $1000 a month.

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[quote=Schneed10;521859]Good Lord that's a buttload for coverage. You must be exaggerating or mistaken. That's $52,000 a year on health insurance alone. You'd have to make $100-120K (before taxes) just to get by.

I assume you meant $1000 a month.[/quote]


Maybe he doesn't mean insurance but actual care is costing him a grand a week.

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[quote=saden1;521844][URL="http://blogs.abcnews.com/theworldnewser/2009/01/the-inuagural-o.html"]
Roberts messed up.[/URL] He went out of turn and he actually managed to rearrange [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of_office_of_the_President_of_the_United_States"]the words of the presidential oath of office[/URL].


I'm pretty sure conspiracy theorist from both sides are brewing a neat theory. The wingnuts will most certainly go with "he's not president because he didn't take the oath properly" and the moonbats will concoct a theory along the lines of "Roberts intentionally tried to ruin the swearing in ceremony."[/quote]
What was I thinking to think Obama messed up, sorry my bad.

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[quote=70Chip;521856]If he can turn this economy around, they will repeal the 22nd? Ammendment and he will be President for life.

In terms of terrorism, it's a question of scale. If they bomb an embassy and kill tens of people, it won't sidetrack his administration. He will do a more vocal version of Clinton. If there is a large scale attack in this country, then he has a two-headed monster to deal with (economy and national security). My take is that Al-Quada has been weakened to the point that they cannot mount a large scale attack. Most of the other groups are Sunni and Sunnis only attack if they get the go ahead from some authority like Khameni in Iran or Nasralah, the Hesbollah Chief. I don't think they will percieve that it is in their interest to go on the offensive in the near future - at least not against the U.S. I think they will sit tight for now. If they were to attack an Obama led U.S., surely world opinion fron Beijing, to Moscow, to Western Europe, to the developing world would turn savagely against them. There is nothing in it for them in that regard.

The only thing that scares me is that $35 oil may drive the Iranians to create trouble in the usual places in order to drive up the price. A continual series of small scale actions might have this affect. Kidnappings, assasinations and the like.[/quote]

I wouldn't count Al-Qaida out. 9-11 was done on a shoe string compared to the military operations of a Modern Nation. Obama isn't stupid. Neither was GWB. He just played his hand wrong.
Obama knows were not going to talk Pakistan out of giving up the Taliban. Pakistan has used their tribal proxies like the Taliban against the Soviets, the Chinese, and the Indians. They're using them now in a guerilla war for Kashmir.
From what I hear we've been trying to make a deal with the Taliban die hards through the Pakistani Intelligence to give up Al-Qaida, in return they'd be allowed into Karzai's government. This is the Petreaus model of pay them off and keep them close. He used this with our old Sunni allies to snuff out Al-Qaida in Iraq.

A lot of the Taliban have already returned to power in Afghanistan, so have the warlords, Communists, and drug runners. Obama can send in Mercs, special ops, and Predator drones just like GWB did. But Pakistan will never give up the Taliban die hards. It's not in they're interest. It's speculation what kind of operations the Pakistani Intelligence allow them to execute. Seeing that we haven't been attacked probably none against us. That isn't the case with India.

But I speculate that Obama will continue to try and get the Taliban to sell out Bin Laden and Al-Qaida. It would be a win win for both of them. We could declare the war on Bin Laden over and return home and the Taliban could move back into the cities and get back some political power. They'd probably just change their names like the Sunnis did. They can call themselves an awakening group but everyone one knows they're old Baathist.

I just don't understand this cult of personality that surrounds Obama. How people believe he can do a better job in Afghanistan than GWB did short of nuking the place is beyond me. How we create green jobs is beyond me? You can't run a modern industrial society with wind. I think Obama and the Democrats play the game much better than the Whigs. They're been talking about energy independence since the first Arab oil embargo? I see the children singing songs to him like they do for Kim Joung Il and it makes me mad and scares me a little. This guy is a politician not a diety.

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No Schneed, I'm not insured. Thus hospitals charge me more than they would an insured person. Luckily I have some kind Doctors that give me their price on a lot of things. For instance, my blood work would cost 4 times as much as an insured person. Makes perfect sense to me!

The 900/week is for 2G of generic Rocephin IV bags and some tubing.

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[quote=firstdown;521864]What was I thinking to think Obama messed up, sorry my bad.[/quote]


It may seem he's infallible but he's not. Soon we shall overcome the "soft bigotry of low expectations."

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Anyone else disappointed by Obama's speech? I thought it was uninspiring and said nothing we haven't heard before.

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[quote=Daseal;521880]No Schneed, I'm not insured. Thus hospitals charge me more than they would an insured person. Luckily I have some kind Doctors that give me their price on a lot of things. For instance, my blood work would cost 4 times as much as an insured person. Makes perfect sense to me!

The 900/week is for 2G of generic Rocephin IV bags and some tubing.
[/quote]

I have a similar set up with my doctor. You'd be surprised how much cheaper health care is when you give the doctor cash.

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[quote=saden1;521882]Anyone else disappointed by Obama's speech? I thought it was uninspiring and said nothing we haven't heard before.[/quote]


I wasn't really disappointed. In fact, I think in many ways his speech will model his Presidency, or should I say, what people expect from his Presidency and what he'll actually deliver on.

First of all, there wasn't a lot of pop and sizzle to his speech. I thought it was sobering, but not dazzling. Obama has now become a victim of his own success. He's sort of suffering from the Michael Jordan or Kobe Bryant syndrome. People come to the game expecting you to drop 40 or 50 points a night and when you don't, "Kobe was off tonight." So there's some of that at play with Obama whenever he steps to the podium. My favorite line was, in fact, the same as 70's. Our enemies can't/won't outlast us. He also rejected the false choice in order to have safety we must compromise our freedom.

Personally, I'm glad it's over. I froze my ass off yesterday!

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[quote=saden1;521882]Anyone else disappointed by Obama's speech? I thought it was uninspiring and said nothing we haven't heard before.[/quote]

Not really dissappointed since I expected "pep rally" speak. I think people got pumped and excited, so hopefully they won't buy homes with mortgages they can't reasonably afford.

I did like the line where he said something like "People remember you for what you create, not for what you destroy". I thought that was a good message that I had not heard before from other inauguration/nomination acceptance speeches.

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I thought it was a pretty good speech overall. Now it's time to get to work.

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I found this satelite image of the inaguration:

[url]http://video1.washingtontimes.com/video/GeoEye-1_Inauguration2009.jpg[/url]


..."all the little ants are marching"

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I watched the speech and paid more attention to his demeanor and tone than I did to the words. His body language, facial expressions and tone of voice were very serious and sobering, speaking to the immense amount of work ahead of us. But at the same time he stood up with his shoulders back and chest out, you could tell he feels confident.

I voted for McCain and preferred his ideas to Obama's in many instances, but I'm of the mind that once the decision is made, it's time to fall in line. I'm behind him and rooting for him as I'm sure all of you are too, but I'm also willing to give his policies a chance. While I disagreed with a lot of it, the time for debating is passed, it's time for him to execute and I'm watching hopefully to see that it turns out well.

I was impressed with him and proud to have him as my president.

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Well........President O'Bama is in office. AND, I don't see one positive change, YET!
What's the hold up?
-Redskins fan

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[quote=Hog1;521914]Well........President O'Bama is in office. AND, I don't see one positive change, YET!
What's the hold up?
-Redskins fan[/quote]
I disagree
one positive is that we didn't have any Bush Bashing today :)

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[quote=Hog1;521914]Well........President O'Bama is in office. AND, I don't see one positive change, YET!
What's the hold up?
-Redskins fan[/quote]

I swore he parted the Red Sea this morning.

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[quote=Mattyk72;521903]I thought it was a pretty good speech overall. Now it's time to get to work.[/quote]
Work, I thought we could quit work and Obama would provide us shelter, food, health care and an education.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;521916]I disagree
one positive is that we didn't have any Bush Bashing today :)[/quote]
Point well taken

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[quote=757SkinsGirl;521910]I found this satelite image of the inaguration:

[URL]http://video1.washingtontimes.com/video/GeoEye-1_Inauguration2009.jpg[/URL]


..."all the little ants are marching"[/quote]


That was cool! Two million people really don't take up much room considering.

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[quote=Hog1;521914]Well........President O'Bama is in office. AND, I don't see one positive change, YET!
What's the hold up?
-Redskins fan[/quote]

Come on, he's already the [URL="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/01/16/firearms-associations-claim-obama-drove-surge-gun-sales/"]Gun Salesman of the Year[/URL]....give him more time, I'm sure we'll eventually rename a State after him.

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[quote=saden1;521882]Anyone else disappointed by Obama's speech? I thought it was uninspiring and said nothing we haven't heard before.[/quote]

The expectations were pretty absurd. While no one knew exactly what they wanted to hear, they wanted to hear it and then immediately proclaim "That's even better than the Gettysburg Address."

As someone from Gettysburg, I can tell you that the people who heard the original (and there weren't many, a lot less than two million or whatever) didn't immediately turn to each other and proclaim, "we've just witnessed the greatest speech in American History!" I guess my point being we need some time for perspective.

I thought Obama's speech was solid, appropriately cognizant of the difficulty the country is facing, with just enough uplift to leave us not feeling hopeless.

I think if Obama goes onto be a great president, we'll go back and cherry pick lines from yesterday's speech and act like it was great and timeless all along. If he is mediocre, well, then his speech will fade into the ether like those of most of the presidents who came before him.

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[quote=saden1;521882]Anyone else disappointed by Obama's speech? I thought it was uninspiring and said nothing we haven't heard before.[/quote]

[I]I thought it odd...my sister said the same thing. [/I]
[I]In any case, the party for O has changed course and it all counts from here. Many promises made. We'll see how the fulfillment goes. [/I]
[I]I for one am not an O'Bama advocate, but like Schneed and many more wish him success as I am an American first, and it will benefit me as well if he is successful[/I]

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I think my expectations were simply too high. I wanted him to deliver memorable words like "I have a dream" and was quite disappointed when none of his words stuck. Maybe if I watch the speech after some time has passed I might see things differently.

Anywho, I like the fact that he made it easier for citizens to request government documents through Freedom of Information Act, instructed the military to close gitmo and ordered a review of all the cases of detainees on his first day.

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[quote=757SkinsGirl;521910]I found this satelite image of the inaguration:

[URL]http://video1.washingtontimes.com/video/GeoEye-1_Inauguration2009.jpg[/URL]


..."all the little ants are marching"[/quote]

It sure beats the measly 300,000 that 'W' drew the last time around.

Good song by the way.

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I hear he froze the pay of his staff and banned them from lobbying for the next five years. If he keeps that up I might start to like the blessed one. I don't think anyone can live up to the hype that everyone is entrusting him with. It's sad to see that they place so much trust in a politician and less so on themselves. I'll give him a shot though.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;522032]I hear he froze the pay of his staff and banned them from lobbying for the next five years. If he keeps that up I might start to like the blessed one. I don't think anyone can live up to the hype that everyone is entrusting him with. It's sad to see that they place so much trust in a politician and less so on themselves. I'll give him a shot though.[/quote]

Who is they?

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;522032]I hear he froze the pay of his staff and banned them from lobbying for the next five years. If he keeps that up I might start to like the blessed one. I don't think anyone can live up to the hype that everyone is entrusting him with. It's sad to see that they place so much trust in a politician and less so on themselves. I'll give him a shot though.[/quote]
He froze the pay of people making $100,000 or more. Not sure about all the restrictions he put on lobbying on his staff but I do not believe those restrictions apply to congress and they are the ones that really have this problem. Also I think that this is only a pleadge he ask them to take but I don't think he could actually stop them from lobbying if they quit working on his staff and took up a job lobbying. As far as closing Gismo (spelling and stopping the trials of the detainees I feel his timing is way off. I feel he is passing a bad message to the ones who want to do us harm that he might be soft against the war on terror. I feel he should have waited and not done this as the first thing in office. I heard today that he has also put a hault to any bills and stuff to do with offshore drilling. I guess we will see.

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[quote=firstdown;522152]He froze the pay of people making $100,000 or more. Not sure about all the restrictions he put on lobbying on his staff but I do not believe those restrictions apply to congress and they are the ones that really have this problem. Also I think that this is only a pleadge he ask them to take but I don't think he could actually stop them from lobbying if they quit working on his staff and took up a job lobbying. [B]As far as closing Gismo (spelling and stopping the trials of the detainees I feel his timing is way off. I feel he is passing a bad message to the ones who want to do us harm that he might be soft against the war on terror. I feel he should have waited and not done this as the first thing in office. I heard today that he has also put a hault to any bills and stuff to do with offshore drilling. I guess we will see.[/B][/quote]

The only one soft on the war on terror was Bush. Its still very early to judge how Obama is going to be. But, Bush was definetly soft on Terror. That man picked up a book and started to read when he was told his country was being attacked. Thats soft! Also, his military had Bin Laden cornered in the mountains of Afghanistan.................Bush pulls them back and lets the locals go get Bin Laden. And Bin Laden "slips through" then dissappears. If Bush was hard on Terror he would have told the locals to go screw themselves and ordered his military to go get Bin Laden. As if all of that wasn't enough, he then pulls his military out of Afghanistan and then puts them into Iraq. He just stopped the hard core search for Bin Laden and started a new war. A war with a country that had nothing to do with 9/11. He was very very soft on terror.

We'll see how Obama handles this. I do like, while he was campaigning, when he said that he was going to pull his troops out of Iraq and put them back into Afghanistan. That is a start! Hopefully, he'll follow through, come up with a plan, and catch that bastard!

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I actually heard no one judging O'Bama.......
AND it is.....never to early to replace spin with truth regardless of your affiliations
Oh......and BTW, Bush became a non-issue a couple of days ago

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[quote=Miller101;522429]The only one soft on the war on terror was Bush. Its still very early to judge how Obama is going to be. But, Bush was definetly soft on Terror. That man picked up a book and started to read when he was told his country was being attacked. Thats soft! Also, his military had Bin Laden cornered in the mountains of Afghanistan.................Bush pulls them back and lets the locals go get Bin Laden. And Bin Laden "slips through" then dissappears. If Bush was hard on Terror he would have told the locals to go screw themselves and ordered his military to go get Bin Laden. As if all of that wasn't enough, he then pulls his military out of Afghanistan and then puts them into Iraq. He just stopped the hard core search for Bin Laden and started a new war. A war with a country that had nothing to do with 9/11. He was very very soft on terror.

We'll see how Obama handles this. I do like, while he was campaigning, when he said that he was going to pull his troops out of Iraq and put them back into Afghanistan. That is a start! Hopefully, he'll follow through, come up with a plan, and catch that bastard![/quote]
First off I never said he was soft on terror I said he might give the impression that he is soft on terror. Sorry but Bush was not soft on terror and I'm not going to get into that again because Bush is no longer the president.

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I just re-read Kennedy's inaugural speech for shits and giggles and I have to say that if he gave that speech today I'm not sure people would say it was all that great. I mean, is the "Ask Not" stuff really great on its own or has it just become kind of accepted mythology at this point. Perhaps speechmaking is a 20th century thing. We're all used to heavily edited shotgun blasts of visuals. I'm not sure any speech can really move a crowd. Carlin was hip to this at the end. He was doing rapid fire stream of conciousness because I think he was convinced that young people today can only assimilate fragments and not extended verbal narratives.

I tried to find the Carlin bit on YT but I didn't see it. It was real machine gun style. If anyone knows what I'm talking about and can find it, please post it. In addition to making my point, it's also really funny.