Re: Brian Cushing
 

The simple fact that we honestly believe that the Skins are going to draft again is great news in my book. Even if they don't trade and don't get anymore picks. If they improve on last years draft then we'll get two productive players (perhaps the first pick) that will start.

Re: Brian Cushing
 

[quote=SmootSmack;521993]I'll change my name to ScudSmack for a week in your honor :)

I'm still not 100% sold on Oher. But I won't complain if we got him[/quote]

Seeing how Vinny has stated he wants more draft picks. How feasible is it that we'll use the first and not trade down. If we've only got four then how does Vinny get more? Wouldn't it be safe to say we might trade a guy for a second rounder this year and a third next year? I can also see him trading down to get more picks. Is seven picks consisting of OT, C, OG, OLB, with a DB and or a DE sound right? Most of the posts and talking heads seem to agree that we all NEED these positions and this would make the most sense in getting them?

Re: Brian Cushing
 

I hope the board does turn out the way Smootsmack has it because then we won't take Brian Cushings.

Re: Brian Cushing
 

[quote=Trample the Elderly;522036]Seeing how Vinny has stated he wants more draft picks. How feasible is it that we'll use the first and not trade down. If we've only got four then how does Vinny get more? Wouldn't it be safe to say we might trade a guy for a second rounder this year and a third next year? I can also see him trading down to get more picks. Is seven picks consisting of OT, C, OG, OLB, with a DB and or a DE sound right? Most of the posts and talking heads seem to agree that we all NEED these positions and this would make the most sense in getting them?[/quote]


We would have to trade someone like Randle El or Moss to get any significant extra picks in the draft. Some have said Rogers or Landry in the recent past, but those guys contribute more than Randle El. I don't like trading down. The quality of the players goes to pot after the 2nd-3rd rounds. After that all you are getting is practice squad fodder for the most part. Of course you might get a couple keepers, but with our recent past in the draft I hghly doubt it.

Re: Brian Cushing
 

[quote=Trample the Elderly;522036]Seeing how Vinny has stated he wants more draft picks. How feasible is it that we'll use the first and not trade down. If we've only got four then how does Vinny get more? [B]Wouldn't it be safe to say we might trade a guy for a second rounder this year and a third next year?[/B] I can also see him trading down to get more picks. Is seven picks consisting of OT, C, OG, OLB, with a DB and or a DE sound right? Most of the posts and talking heads seem to agree that we all NEED these positions and this would make the most sense in getting them?[/quote]

Thus the speculation we will trade Moss or someone else to gain picks. At first the idea didn't seem realistic because who would we trade w/ the value of a 2nd rounder that we don't really need? The idea of trading Los for instance seems rather tarded being that we used the 1st round pick to acquire him and we would have to replace him w/ a quality starter (meaning either our 1st round pick - again - or pay someone a boatload through FA). But then I heard Moss as a possible trade and started to warm up to the idea. It's a risk because it means one of the new WR additions must produce for us in '09. I think i'm ok with taking that risk but i'm glad the coaches make the decision. Also heard Horton as a trade possibility, which a lot of Warpathers don't agree with evidently, but i think it makes sense if we're gonna have Los/Hall for starting corners and Landry/Springs for starting safeties (from what I understand Blache and the who's who really like Springs and want to retain him). Bottom line is a trade of Moss or Horton or both guys in a package deal to get an even higher pick seems like a good idea now IMO.

Re: Brian Cushing
 

[quote=GusFrerotte;522039]We would have to trade someone like Randle El or Moss to get any significant extra picks in the draft. Some have said Rogers or Landry in the recent past, but those guys contribute more than Randle El. I don't like trading down. The quality of the players goes to pot after the 2nd-3rd rounds. After that all you are getting is practice squad fodder for the most part. Of course you might get a couple keepers, but with our recent past in the draft I hghly doubt it.[/quote]

Agreed Gus... for every Tom Brady to Chris Horton in the lower rounds there's a thousand... well, guys you can't even name cause they did jack squat. 1st round picks (and especially top 15), if you draft smart, should be franchise players, so by trading down in all likelihood you're just foregoing a franchise player IMO.

Re: Brian Cushing
 

[quote=Trample the Elderly;522036]Seeing how Vinny has stated he wants more draft picks. [B]How feasible is it that we'll use the first and not trade down.[/B] If we've only got four then how does Vinny get more? Wouldn't it be safe to say we might trade a guy for a second rounder this year and a third next year? I can also see him trading down to get more picks. Is seven picks consisting of OT, C, OG, OLB, with a DB and or a DE sound right? Most of the posts and talking heads seem to agree that we all NEED these positions and this would make the most sense in getting them?[/quote]

If we use the 13th overall pick (on Cushing or anyone else) and don't trade down, I would suspect it will be after Carlos Rogers has been traded for one or more picks. Not saying I want to see Carlos go (I'd rather keep him and trade down), but if we do draft at 13, that's how I think it will go down.

Re: Brian Cushing
 

Mel Kiper has us picking Brian Orkapo (DE Texas)[B][/B]

Re: Brian Cushing
 

[quote=The Goat;522040]Thus the speculation we will trade Moss or someone else to gain picks. At first the idea didn't seem realistic because who would we trade w/ the value of a 2nd rounder that we don't really need? The idea of trading Los for instance seems rather tarded being that we used the 1st round pick to acquire him and we would have to replace him w/ a quality starter (meaning either our 1st round pick - again - or pay someone a boatload through FA). But then I heard Moss as a possible trade and started to warm up to the idea. It's a risk because it means one of the new WR additions must produce for us in '09. I think i'm ok with taking that risk but i'm glad the coaches make the decision. Also heard Horton as a trade possibility, which a lot of Warpathers don't agree with evidently, but i think it makes sense if we're gonna have Los/Hall for starting corners and Landry/Springs for starting safeties (from what I understand Blache and the who's who really like Springs and want to retain him). Bottom line is a trade of Moss or Horton or both guys in a package deal to get an even higher pick seems like a good idea now IMO.[/quote]

1.) If we trade Moss, Cooley will be tripled covered all the time. Those two are our only threats and are usually double teamed. Plus we can't get rid of our best receiver going into Campbell's contract year. This is the year JC has to show this is his team and by taking away the best reciever we have and inserting a D.Thomas does not work well for him. (The only way i could see us being able to deal Moss would be a straight up trade for Boldin)

2.) Why trade Horton?? What do you think we will receive for him??

Re: Brian Cushing
 

[quote=Dirtbag359;522048]Mel Kiper has us picking Brian Orkapo (DE Texas)[B][/B][/quote]

Just saw that too... wonder how many time Mel will change his mind between now and reality day?

Re: Brian Cushing
 

We could also trade picks in future years

Re: Brian Cushing
 

[quote=Dirtbag359;522048]Mel Kiper has us picking Brian Orkapo (DE Texas)[B][/B][/quote]

Exactly!! And doesn't even have Ray Mauluga picked in the top 16, which if he's right we could have a chance for him (but we know Mel ain't right).

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=3850049]Mel Kiper: 2009 NFL mock draft - ESPN[/url]

Re: Brian Cushing
 

[quote=SmootSmack;522052]We could also trade picks in future years[/quote]

Please if you know something horrible keep it to yourself.

Re: Brian Cushing
 

[quote=Dirtbag359;521995]What do you know about Jason Smith as a Run Blocker because the impression I get from reading profiles make me think that he's more of a finesse guy rather then a mauler.[/quote]

Jason Smith needs to put on a little weight I think (barely 300lbs), and he started his career at Baylor as a TE, so it doesn't surprise me that he has a finesse reputation. When I said I'd rather have him before Oher, it was mainly because most of the shit I've read online has him ranked higher. I'm no draft expert whatsoever.

Re: Brian Cushing
 

[quote=GMScud;522057]Jason Smith needs to put on a little weight I think (barely 300lbs), and he started his career at Baylor as a TE, so it doesn't surprise me that he has a finesse reputation. When I said I'd rather have him before Oher, it was mainly because most of the shit I've read online has him ranked higher. I'm no draft expert whatsoever.[/quote]

I would without a doubt select Oher if we have the chance.

Re: Brian Cushing
 

[quote=WaldSkins;522050]1.) If we trade Moss, Cooley will be tripled covered all the time. Those two are our only threats and are usually double teamed. Plus we can't get rid of our best receiver going into Campbell's contract year. This is the year JC has to show this is his team and by taking away the best reciever we have and inserting a D.Thomas does not work well for him. (The only way i could see us being able to deal Moss would be a straight up trade for Boldin)

2.) Why trade Horton?? What do you think we will receive for him??[/quote]

There is risk w/ trading Moss because a young player has to step up big time. Personally, I wouldn't trade him and go get another WR who knows nothing about our system and has not worked w/ JC, so maybe it's a big risk but for a high 2nd round pick maybe it makes sense.

As to Horton a trade makes sense if 1) Springs restructures favorably and moves to FS for us where he should be less prone to injury and likely to play strong for 3 or so more years and 2) Los is retained and Hall signed 3) we can get at least a 3rd rounder out of the trade. Why? With a starting secondary of Los/Hall at CB and Landry/Springs at SS/FS I'd argue we'll be even better than the '08 secondary. And also there's a value aspect to trading a 6th round guy for a 3rd or 2nd round pick, say another talented guy for o or d line where we need real help. I'd argue the set-up leaves us pretty deep at safety because because Doughty and Moore will be back.

Re: Brian Cushing
 

[quote=GMScud;522046]If we use the 13th overall pick (on Cushing or anyone else) and don't trade down, I would suspect it will be after Carlos Rogers has been traded for one or more picks. Not saying I want to see Carlos go (I'd rather keep him and trade down), but if we do draft at 13, that's how I think it will go down.[/quote]

Can u give some insight as to how the FO will replace Los if he's traded? Even if we sign Hall and keep Springs as a CB (seems irresponsible but i'll roll with it) we know we'll be short a starting corner for several games a year. Smoot starting even more? Use a pick or grab a FA?

Re: Brian Cushing
 

[quote=The Goat;522059]There is risk w/ trading Moss because a young player has to step up big time. Personally, I wouldn't trade him and go get another WR who knows nothing about our system and has not worked w/ JC, so maybe it's a big risk but for a high 2nd round pick maybe it makes sense.

As to Horton a trade makes sense if 1) [B]Springs restructures[/B] favorably and moves to FS for us where he should be less prone to injury and likely to play strong for 3 or so more years and 2) Los is retained and Hall signed 3) we can get at least a 3rd rounder out of the trade. Why? With a starting secondary of Los/Hall at CB and Landry/Springs at SS/FS I'd argue we'll be even better than the '08 secondary. [B]And also there's a value aspect to trading a 6th round guy for a 3rd or 2nd round pick[/B], say another talented guy for o or d line where we need real help. I'd argue the set-up leaves us pretty deep at safety because because Doughty and Moore will be back.[/quote]

Springs does not restructure, he hasn't in the past and i dont see him doing us any favors.

Horton was our 7th round pick and i don't see any team giving us anything above a 4th for him.

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[quote=WaldSkins;522066]Springs does not restructure, he hasn't in the past and i dont see him doing us any favors.

Horton was our 7th round pick and i don't see any team giving us anything above a 4th for him.[/quote]

I've always said the same about Springs, and for that I think we need to give him the boot. My fear is Blache or Grey or someone is in love w/ Springs and just won't part w/ him.

Probably right about Horton too, and again if we cut Springs as we should then Horton has to be retained anyway.

Re: Brian Cushing
 

[quote=The Goat;522064]Can u give some insight as to how the FO will replace Los if he's traded? Even if we sign Hall and keep Springs as a CB (seems irresponsible but i'll roll with it) we know we'll be short a starting corner for several games a year. Smoot starting even more?[B] Use a pick or grab a FA?[/B][/quote]

I would suspect that's how it would go down. Smoot is bad. He stunk all year. I personally think we should cut Springs and not trade Carlos. However, if Carlos leaves, we may add another corner through FA, and we'll start Springs as long as he's healthy at the other corner slot next to Hall. If we do draft a corner, it shouldn't be early.

I don't really like this plan, but that's my speculation, for what it's worth.

This question should probably be in a draft thread, but how about this- what if we trade Carlos for a few picks, AND trade the 13th pick for more picks? We could go from 4 picks to 8 or 9 pretty quickly.

Re: Brian Cushing
 

I have to wonder what Los did to anger Blache/Grey/FO. He had his best year after a devastating injury and long rehab and if SanFran was any indication he really can catch the ball. He's also our youngest talent at corner.

... I'm pretty much lost on this one...

Re: Brian Cushing
 

[quote=The Goat;522072]I have to wonder what Los did to anger Blache/Grey/FO. He had his best year after a devastating injury and long rehab and if SanFran was any indication he really can catch the ball. He's also our youngest talent at corner.

... I'm pretty much lost on this one...[/quote]

Apparently Los and Blache have always butted heads.

Re: Brian Cushing
 

[quote=GMScud;522075]Apparently Los and Blache have always butted heads.[/quote]
It would break up the most solid group (secondary) if we were to get rid of Rodgers.

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[quote=Redskin Jim;522088]It would break up the most solid group (secondary) if we were to get rid of Rodgers.[/quote]

I'm not necesarrily opposed to trading Rogers. I'm personally more worried about giving the front office another draft pick to screw up at the cost of one of our top 5 players.

Re: Brian Cushing
 

I don't understand most of what Greg Blache does, and I spent a considerable amount of time trying to figure him out.

Too often, he does really, really stupid things. I don't think Greg Blache is a stupid man, he seems like a very clever, well-spoken man. I think he just has motives that aren't necessarily "winning games for the Washington Redskins." Or at least, that's my best guess. So I see him make a call, and I say "wow, that's a really stupid call," but my perspective is trying to have the defense succeed, maybe Blache wants to take pressure off of the defensive lineman, make their jobs easier. In which case, it's a pretty good call.

Except the end result is a 40 yard pass for Eli Manning or maybe Joe Flacco. But at least the DL didn't screw up.

Re: Brian Cushing
 

[quote=Dirtbag359;522090]I'm not necesarrily opposed to trading Rogers. I'm personally more worried about giving the front office another draft pick to screw up at the cost of one of our top 5 players.[/quote]
Oooh.. I didn't look at it that way. I'm with you on that, Danny and Vinny will find a way to trade away first round talent for a player that probably won't be in the league in 4 years.... Here's to optimisim...

Re: Brian Cushing
 

[quote=GTripp0012;522093]I don't understand most of what Greg Blache does, and I spent a considerable amount of time trying to figure him out.

Too often, he does really, really stupid things. I don't think Greg Blache is a stupid man, he seems like a very clever, well-spoken man. I think he just has motives that aren't necessarily "winning games for the Washington Redskins." Or at least, that's my best guess. So I see him make a call, and I say "wow, that's a really stupid call," but my perspective is trying to have the defense succeed, maybe Blache wants to take pressure off of the defensive lineman, make their jobs easier. In which case, it's a pretty good call.

Except the end result is a 40 yard pass for Eli Manning or maybe Joe Flacco. But at least the DL didn't screw up.[/quote]
Well, One only has 10 fingers. He spends all game shoring up the holes in the line with the stregnth of his defense (secondary). Opposing teams have plays expecting these senerios, I.e. ravens or cowpokes controlling clock late, or pittsburg trying to get the offense some momentum going. Either way you are correct, the ravens n pokes exposed the o-lines weakness to stop any sort of push and rammed it down our throughts, the steelers hadn't established much running or passing game against us in the first half of the monday night game untill they figured out that we were cheeting up our secondary to shore up our senior citizens on our d-line. They caught us with a big play or 2 and then just went back to their game plan.

Re: Brian Cushing
 

[quote=Dirtbag359;521788]In an attempt to help get the Peppers thread back on track I've decided to start a thread for Brian Cushing as it looks like, according to our very own Smootsmack, that the guy will be a player of interest from Vinny and Friends this offseason.

Highlights
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Stats: Funny thing is upon looking at this I was like "Whoa, 177 tackles? Leet!" So keep in mind that 177 is his career total not his total for 2008.
[URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=174146"]Brian Cushing Stats, News, Photos - USC Trojans - NCAA College Football - ESPN[/URL]

Overall Evaluation from Scouts Inc:
[I]Scouts Grade: 92
Overall Ranking: 20
Position Ranking: 2
[/I]
Production: 3
Height-Weight Speed: 1
Durability: 4

Instincts-Recognition: 1
Pursuit, Point of Attack: 2
Tackling: 2
Pass Rusher: 2
Pass Coverage: 2

[B]Trait Scale
1 = [B]Exceptional, 2 = Above Average, 3 = Average, 4 = Below Average, 5 = Marginal[/B]
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off topic....but you're sig owns.

that is all.

Re: Brian Cushing
 

[quote=GTripp0012;522093]I don't understand most of what Greg Blache does, and I spent a considerable amount of time trying to figure him out.

Too often, he does really, really stupid things. I don't think Greg Blache is a stupid man, he seems like a very clever, well-spoken man. I think he just has motives that aren't necessarily "winning games for the Washington Redskins." Or at least, that's my best guess. So I see him make a call, and I say "wow, that's a really stupid call," but my perspective is trying to have the defense succeed, maybe Blache wants to take pressure off of the defensive lineman, make their jobs easier. In which case, it's a pretty good call.

Except the end result is a 40 yard pass for Eli Manning or maybe Joe Flacco. But at least the DL didn't screw up.[/quote]

What?

Re: Brian Cushing
 

[quote=GMScud;522075]Apparently Los and Blache have always butted heads.[/quote]

I'm no fan of trading Rogers. But let's say that it is more than just the due diligence by the FO or incessant FO bashing by JLC. Maybe it makes some sense if Rogers really is expecting huge money in free agency (of course, it takes two to tango and I wonder how many teams would be willing to give him big $$$). Anyway, if Rogers were to go, how about the following trade scenario?

Redskins: Rd. 1, Pick 13; Carlos Rogers

Detroit: Rd. 1, Pick 20; Rd. 2, Pick 33; Rd. 3, Pick 65

By the draft value chart that works out to trading Rogers for a 2nd rounder in the bottom third of that round (fair value it seems to me, though not enough value but I guess that is beside the point). I could see Detroit possibly willing to move up in Round 1 if they take a QB at #1 and then want to move up to get the last of the D-Linemen they covet or LB help (MAUALUGA, LAURINAITIS). You know their corners are suspect and Bodden is due a big roster bonus. That would seem a decent trade (until Springs misses half the season and we end up with Hall and Smoot starting with Tryon at the Nickel).

Re: Brian Cushing
 

Rogers is mostly on the block, not because of any personal strife really, but because he's one of our more valuable chips right now. So if you're going to test the trade market then you have to at least make worth the other team's time

As for Kiper's pick, it's not a terrible choice I suppose. He's a solid pass rusher and steady against the run. I'm of the belief that yes we need a pass rusher but not at the expense of a solid run stopper. We like to knock on guys like Daniels and Wynn because they were run-stopping defensive ends, which is almost a euphemsym for "can't rush the passer", but I think we need guys like that. I like someone like Tyson Jackson for example, not at the #13 spot.

Re: Brian Cushing
 

[quote=SmootSmack;522132]Rogers is mostly on the block, not because of any personal strife really, but because he's one of our more valuable chips right now. So if you're going to test the trade market then you have to at least make worth the other team's time

As for Kiper's pick, it's not a terrible choice I suppose. He's a solid pass rusher and steady against the run. I'm of the belief that yes we need a pass rusher but not at the expense of a solid run stopper. We like to knock on guys like Daniels and Wynn because they were run-stopping defensive ends, which is almost a euphemsym for "can't rush the passer", but I think we need guys like that. I like someone like Tyson Jackson for example, not at the #13 spot.[/quote]

I know Rogers is a nice trade chip but that's exactly why we shouldn't trade him. Basically we traded our #2 pick for a washed up thirtysomething DE...and now to remedy it we are going to trade away our top CB in his prime to get that draft pick back? That is the assinine of all assinine moves!

I know your not endorcing this move...so i am not ranting at you...I am just ranting in general! What an awful line of thinking...

Re: Brian Cushing
 

[quote=celts32;522137]I know Rogers is a nice trade chip but that's exactly why we shouldn't trade him. Basically we traded our #2 pick for a washed up thirtysomething DE...and now to remedy it we are going to trade away our top CB in his prime to get that draft pick back? That is the assinine of all assinine moves!

I know your not endorcing this move...so i am not ranting at you...I am just ranting in general! What an awful line of thinking...[/quote]

Well I don't agree that Jason Taylor was a washed up but I see your point. If I were a betting man, I'd say Rogers ends up not getting traded unless they get more than a 2nd round pick.

Re: Brian Cushing
 

[quote=SC Skins Fan;522118]I'm no fan of trading Rogers. But let's say that it is more than just the due diligence by the FO or incessant FO bashing by JLC. Maybe it makes some sense if Rogers really is expecting huge money in free agency (of course, it takes two to tango and I wonder how many teams would be willing to give him big $$$). Anyway, if Rogers were to go, how about the following trade scenario?

Redskins: Rd. 1, Pick 13; Carlos Rogers

Detroit: Rd. 1, Pick 20; Rd. 2, Pick 33; Rd. 3, Pick 65

By the draft value chart that works out to trading Rogers for a 2nd rounder in the bottom third of that round (fair value it seems to me, though not enough value but I guess that is beside the point). I could see Detroit possibly willing to move up in Round 1 if they take a QB at #1 and then want to move up to get the last of the D-Linemen they covet or LB help (MAUALUGA, LAURINAITIS). You know their corners are suspect and Bodden is due a big roster bonus. That would seem a decent trade (until Springs misses half the season and we end up with Hall and Smoot starting with Tryon at the Nickel).[/quote]

That is no where near enough value. Everyone involved with the Redskins whether it be the FO or the fans seems to totally undervalue Rogers and it's probably becasue he can't catch. However, his primary job is not catching the football it's defending WR's and he's pretty damn good at it. We spent a top 10 pick on him and he's far from a bust so why should we trade him for a low #2? We should be resigning him or at least keeping him for this year and then trying to tag and trade him then if a long term deal can not be reached.

Re: Brian Cushing
 

[quote=SmootSmack;522139]Well I don't agree that Jason Taylor was a washed up but I see your point. If I were a betting man, I'd say Rogers ends up not getting traded unless they get more than a 2nd round pick.[/quote]

Washed up may have been a bad choice of words but he's an older player. Anyway, I can live with it if they get a #1 for him although I still don't think I would do it.

Re: Brian Cushing
 

[quote=SmootSmack;522139]Well I don't agree that Jason Taylor was a washed up but I see your point. If I were a betting man, I'd say Rogers ends up not getting traded unless they get more than a 2nd round pick.[/quote]

Being that your "guesses" always seem pretty well educated SS... that is the best news of the day as far as i'm concerned.

Re: Brian Cushing
 

Just know that when I say more than a 2nd round pick that I don't necessarily mean higher than a 2nd round pick.

But truthfully I've heard very little about Rogers the past couple of days. Hoping to get some info later today actually

Re: Brian Cushing
 

[quote=SmootSmack;521981]Raji may not even make it past the Bengals at #6

Lot of speculation at this point, but from all I've heard if the draft were today I could see something like

1. Lions-Andre Smith
2. Rams-Eugene Monroe
3. Chiefs-Aaron Curry
4. Seahawks-Michael Crabtree
5. Browns-Malcolm Jenkins
6. Bengals-BJ Raji
7. Raiders-Percy Harvin
8. Jaguars-Jeremy Maclin
9. Packers-Jason Smith
10. 49ers-Mark Sanchez
11. Bills-Brian Orakpo
12. Broncos-Everette Brown

Wich drops Oher into our lap, or the intriguing possibility of Stafford who we definitely don't want (I don't think) but could possibly leverage. The wildcard is that 6-8 spot, because all of those teams could be eyeing a OL there.[/quote]

2 OT will go in the 6-8 spots, packers go CB, and 49ers go D..i think BJ Raji will be there at 10 and i think the broncos go Maulagula if he's havin' a monster week like everyone is saying

Re: Brian Cushing
 

[quote=Whiteboi_J;522155]2 OT will go in the 6-8 spots, packers go CB, and 49ers go D..i think BJ Raji will be there at 10 and i think the broncos go Maulagula if he's havin' a monster week like everyone is saying[/quote]

I haven't been hearing that Rey (I've given up trying to spell his last name) is having a monster week

I don't think the Niners go D.

Re: Brian Cushing
 

[quote=celts32;522140]That is no where near enough value. Everyone involved with the Redskins whether it be the FO or the fans seems to totally undervalue Rogers and it's probably becasue he can't catch. However, his primary job is not catching the football it's defending WR's and he's pretty damn good at it. We spent a top 10 pick on him and he's far from a bust so why should we trade him for a low #2? We should be resigning him or at least keeping him for this year and then trying to tag and trade him then if a long term deal can not be reached.[/quote]

As I said, I am not an advocate of trading Rogers, but if he gets traded I was looking for potential landing spots. Why trade him for a low #2? Because if the Skins are intent on dealing him they aren't likely to get anything more. Look at recent trades in the NFL. The Eagles couldn't get more than a #2 for Lito Sheppard. DeAngelo Hall went for a 2nd in 2008 and 5th in 2009. Jeremy Shockey went for a future 2nd and future 5th. Jason Taylor a future 2nd. But you expect a team to give up a mid-1st for Rogers? Not very likely.