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[quote=freddyg12;522302]really? I thought the dude was gm at Oakland for a no. of years, then tampa for the last 7[/quote]

he was basically a cap manager in Oakland

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One thing that makes me salivate is a lot of the lineman he's drafted have turned into quality starters. Sears, Trueblood, and Joesph were all part of a line that helped Dunn (who's 34) and Grahm combine for over 1,200 yards with a 4.2 average. Zuttah also seems to have a bright future with the team. Aquib Talib turned out to be one of the better defensive rookies this year with 4 int's. Clayton was a one year wonder. Barrett Rudd was one hell of a pick and Alex Smith has been a nice role player for them. As for the rest well I'm willing to bet that a lot of them are cut but some of them might have a role that only Buc's fans really pay attention to. Sort of how like how we know about guys on our team like Lorenzo Alexander, Demetric Evans, and HB Blades.

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If he signs for the vet min, sure.


J/k

Is it time for training camp yet?

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Allen has the pedigree of his father and likes to draft for the trenches. He had good picks in Oakland and Tampa.

He would be a big improvement on Vinny Cerrato in terms of direction of our draft picks and quality of those he picks.

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[quote=freddyg12;522302]really? I thought the dude was gm at Oakland for a no. of years, then tampa for the last 7[/quote]

He was the GM in Tampa since 2004, that's it for his GM experience.

[quote][B]Allen worked with Gruden in Oakland and joined him in Tampa Bay in 2004.[/B] During his nine seasons with the Raiders, Allen, who has a strong background in salary cap management and contract negotiations, was named the league's executive of the year in 2002. Allen was actually a senior administrator with Oakland in 2002 when the Gruden-led Bucs defeated the Raiders in Super Bowl XXXVII.

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3208384]Bucs reward coach Gruden, GM Allen with extensions - NFL - ESPN[/url][/quote]

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[quote=freddyg12;522300]to me this all comes down to the danny's growth as an owner & willingness to let go/admit mistakes. i.e.if Allen were hired & given the title 'GM' many people would say it's about time we got a GM.

[B]However, if he doesn't have full authority over personel, which I question whether Vinny truly doe[/B]s, we've got the same issues.

Having said that, a hiring of Allen & letting go of Vinny might be a sign of major positive change by the Danny. But simply hiring another guy w/some name recognition does not convince me that true change is underway.[/quote]

I think it was pretty much stated this past offseason that Vinny would be the football boss. Hence the whole accountability issue and Snyder giving him "another year" to turn things around. I think at some point you gotta stop the paranoia/hate, and just go with what's been said by the team. I don't know if Snyder has relinquished his involvement with player contracts, but I think Vinny is in charge of who gets acquired through free agency and draft picks.

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This does not pass the smell test....but having said that I would like to see some new ideas come to the front office. My biggest question is ....is there anyway Snyder is trying to figure out how to bring Allen in as a GM, keep Cerrato in the position he is in with his fancy name title, and have Allen kinda teach Cerrato the ropes. I know it's a horrible way to think but I can't see Snyder letting his man Cerrato go but I can see Cerrato being a buffer between him and possibly a GM. Even if we did this it would be nice to have fresh ideas about some of the contract stuff but if all it will accomplish is friction between upper management as to how to: which particular player we should go after or draft or how the contract should be written then we could do without. Let Cousin Vinny and Zorn have their extra year and if it does not work out move on.

but ...I wonder if Snyder is not wanting to pass up on another great mind and have Allen in the wings if Cerrato/Zorn can't get the job done. Because who knows who will be available a year from now? GM wise.

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[quote=SBXVII;522322]This does not pass the smell test....but having said that I would like to see some new ideas come to the front office. My biggest question is ....is there anyway Snyder is trying to figure out how to bring Allen in as a GM, keep Cerrato in the position he is in with his fancy name title, and have Allen kinda teach Cerrato the ropes. I know it's a horrible way to think but I can't see Snyder letting his man Cerrato go but I can see Cerrato being a buffer between him and possibly a GM. Even if we did this it would be nice to have fresh ideas about some of the contract stuff but if all it will accomplish is friction between upper management as to how to: which particular player we should go after or draft or how the contract should be written then we could do without. Let Cousin Vinny and Zorn have their extra year and if it does not work out move on.

but ...I wonder if Snyder is not wanting to pass up on another great mind and have Allen in the wings if Cerrato/Zorn can't get the job done. Because who knows who will be available a year from now? GM wise.[/quote]

I was thinking along the same lines bring him in as a assistant to Vinny but how could they justify putting him on the payroll for that position. Plus what kind of message does it send. Also like you said, who knows who's available next year.

I think if you bring in a Vinny replacement, you fire Vinny. So there is no cross contamination:)

I can't see were this guy fits in honestly. But anythings possible I guess.

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frankly, he has to be an upgrade, i know that sounds horrible and void of rationality, but really, Vinny has to cede some authority, his system hasn't worked- he's never fielded a team with a LEGITIMATE chance at winning a superbowl (eking into the playoffs doesn't count in my mind).

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Personally I think I would rather wait a year, see how Vinny does, pray he doesn't give up any of next years picks and then if he fails go after a guy like Eric DeCosta during next years offseason, all the while promising him full autonomy over football operations. Either way there's very little chance of Bruce Allen replacing Vinny short of a tradgedy. Knock on wood.

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[quote=Mattyk72;522242]What is Bruce Allen's resume like exactly?[/quote]



Bruce Allen sucks he was more of a problem in Tampa than Gruden with his QB collection IMO. I stay in Tampa so everyone here was celebrating last week when both of them got fired.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;522331]Personally I think I would rather wait a year, see how Vinny does, pray he doesn't give up any of next years picks and then if he fails go after a guy like Eric DeCosta during next years offseason, all the while promising him full autonomy over football operations. Either way there's very little chance of Bruce Allen replacing Vinny short of a tradgedy. Knock on wood.[/quote]

Agree

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[quote=Valleyranchgirl;522332]Bruce Allen sucks he was more of a problem in Tampa than Gruden with his QB collection IMO. I stay in Tampa so everyone here was celebrating last week when both of them got fired.[/quote]


That maybe but atleast he has the Bucs 40 something Mill under the CAP. Every year Vinny has us approximatly 10 Mill over and we have to work wonders to get under then mortgage our future on over the hill players.

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How many draft picks will this cost us?

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[quote=SBXVII;522352]That maybe but atleast he has the Bucs 40 something Mill under the CAP. Every year Vinny has us approximatly 10 Mill over and we have to work wonders to get under then mortgage our future on over the hill players.[/quote]

Allen is supposedly good with money, but them being so far under the cap has more to do with the Glazer unwillingness to spend money than any magic Allen has. I think most GMs would prefer an owner willing to spend money

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[quote=BrunellMVP?;522327]frankly, he has to be an upgrade, i know that sounds horrible and void of rationality, but really, Vinny has to cede some authority, his system hasn't worked- he's never fielded a team with a LEGITIMATE chance at winning a superbowl (eking into the playoffs doesn't count in my mind).[/quote]

You're right. I mean let's look at the past four years

2004: 5-11
2005: 11-5 (eliminated in Wild Card round)
2006: 4-12
2007: 9-7 (lose 3 of last 4 but still make the playoffs...only to get eliminated in WC round
2008: 9-7 (lose last 4 games to miss the playoffs)

Oh wait...that's the Bucs under Bruce Allen

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[quote=SmootSmack;522357]You're right. I mean let's look at the past four years

2004: 5-11
2005: 11-5 (eliminated in Wild Card round)
2006: 4-12
2007: 9-7 (lose 3 of last 4 but still make the playoffs...only to get eliminated in WC round
2008: 9-7 (lose last 4 games to miss the playoffs)

Oh wait...that's the Bucs under Bruce Allen[/quote]

I frankly don't believe we'd settle for someone who doesn't have a name or isn't a bona fide rising star...so if Bruce Allen doesn't fit the bill (which it sounds like he doesn't) then he isn't our guy...
also, the record above looks pretty similar to skin's record (in fact its the exact same!) - and i'll bet the bucs didn't lead the league (top 3) in salary every year...

Redskins Record
2008 : 8-8
2007: 9-7
2006: 5-11
2005: 10-6
2004: 6-10

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I think Allen's a decent executive and if you all you want is change for the sake of change then he's fine, but if you want change for the sake of improvement then you can do a lot better than Allen

Re: RUMOR: Bruce Allen to Redskins?
 

[quote=SmootSmack;522360]I think Allen's a decent executive and if you all you want is change for the sake of change then he's fine, but if you want change for the sake of improvement then you can do a lot better than Allen[/quote]

I completely agree.

Hell if all we want is change for the sake of change I want to throw my name into the hat. Give me a call, Danny. Wait til you see my Madden franchise.

Re: RUMOR: Bruce Allen to Redskins?
 

[quote=SmootSmack;522355]Allen is supposedly good with money, but them being so far under the cap has more to do with the Glazer unwillingness to spend money than any magic Allen has. I think most GMs would prefer an owner willing to spend money[/quote]


They are mad cheap. No play makers on offense. Their offense is just lousy and it is not just the playcalling that made it so bad it was also because of the lack of talent they failed to pick up. I heard the owners are looking for a buyer.

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[quote=celts32;522258]Bruce Allen is irrelivent really...I am excited at the possibility of there being a thought in Snyders head that maybe quite possibly my front office needs a new voice. If that thought is in his head then that alone is a victory and I couldn't care less if he actually hires Allen, because I will at least know the seed is planted.[/quote]

I agree with that and......

Re: RUMOR: Bruce Allen to Redskins?
 

[quote=SmootSmack;522360]I think Allen's a decent executive and if you all you want is change for the sake of change then he's fine, but if you want change for the sake of improvement then you can do a lot better than Allen[/quote]

I agree with that.

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It should be noted that this is ProFootballTalk. Until I see something more legitimate I'm not going to pay it much mind.

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[quote=Schneed10;522373]It should be noted that this is ProFootballTalk. Until I see something more legitimate I'm not going to pay it much mind.[/quote]

Well JLC is covering his bases, letting us all know he got a tip about Allen this morning

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2009/01/bruce_allen_rumors.html?wprss=redskinsinsider]Bruce Allen Rumors - Redskins Insider[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;522376]Well JLC is covering his bases, letting us all know he got a tip about Allen this morning

[URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2009/01/bruce_allen_rumors.html?wprss=redskinsinsider"]Bruce Allen Rumors - Redskins Insider[/URL][/quote]

Thanks. It seems like he just saw the blurb from PFT and tried to pursue, but to no avail as of yet.

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I wonder, not to get anyone's hopes up, but if this would end up in a way similar to how the Falcons front office situation worked out, in that Rich McKay stepped aside from GM duties to take a job as president for the Falcons while Thomas Dimitroff was brought in to put together the team. That way we would be free from Vinny putting together the roster and Snyder would still have his buddy. Of course though I would seriously doubt that we go into this offseason without Vinny calling the shots, but as I said before I would rather see Vinny either learn or fall flat on his face and paving the way for Snyder to bring in someone like DeCosta.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;522380]I wonder, not to get anyone's hopes up, but if this would end up in a way similar to how the Falcons front office situation worked out, in that Rich McKay stepped aside from GM duties to take a job as president for the Falcons while Thomas Dimitroff was brought in to put together the team.[/quote]

Ive mentioned this a couple of times over the past year. Partly from speculation, partly from rumors I hear. But yeah I think it's possible, if not probable that if Cerrato is still with the team in a year or two it won't really be as EVP of Football Operations. I see him running the business side or being a top exec there, and that may include Redskins TV, other Snyder properties, perhaps stadium plans, etc.

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[quote=SmootSmack;522360]I think Allen's a decent executive and if you all you want is change for the sake of change then he's fine, but if you want change for the sake of improvement then you can do a lot better than Allen[/quote]

Well I really want a Sam Adams but if you make me wait long enough I will probably settle for a Budweiser...

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Yeah, those drafts that were listed weren't so hot. It is good that The Danny is looking at a GM though, if that is indeed what this guy will be.

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[quote=celts32;522387]Well I really want a Sam Adams but if you make me wait long enough I will probably settle for a Budweiser...[/quote]

All I want is Popeyes spicey chicken but were stuck with McDonalds chicken nuggets.

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[quote=firstdown;522284]OK how many of you on the Gruden thread talked about how much he did with the lack of talent he had? If that was you then why would you want BA the man who was in charge of finding that lack of talent for the Buc's.?[/quote]

Bingo. The Bucs have been the mirror image of the Skins the last 4 years... sometimes making the playoffs and sometimes not, but when they do make the playoffs it's by the skin of their teeth and then they get bounced in the first round. They're a perenniel 9-7 or worse team, which is what we already have here, and their talent level was about the same or even worse. They had dogs on offense and the defense was solid, but not elite (sound familiar).

The Bucs are the Skins of the NFC South. But I agree with many of the other posts. It's good to know Danny is at least entertaining the idea of getting help in the FO.

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We might have to shut this board down for lack of activity if the Redskins actually do bring in Bruce Allen

1. We say we want a GM-I guess Allen would fit that bill since he's a former GM at the moment

2. We say we want a "Football Guy"-I guess Allen would fit that bill as a fomer player, player agent, and executive in 3 different leagues

So we'll get what we want I suppose...but then what we'll do?

Seriously though, my curiosity is piqued with this rumor. But I suspect it's more two friends who talk on a semi-regularly basis and now it's just more interesting because one is out of a job and the other could use someone like him

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[quote]
Quote:
Originally Posted by celts32 View Post
Well I really want a Sam Adams but if you make me wait long enough I will probably settle for a Budweiser...

All I want is Popeyes spicey chicken but were stuck with McDonalds chicken nuggets.[/quote]

Oh boy :doh:

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[quote=SBXVII;522422]All I want is Popeyes spicey chicken but were stuck with McDonalds chicken nuggets.[/quote]

Loooooove that chicken at Popeyes...POPPIN FRESH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[quote=Dirtbag359;522306]One thing that makes me salivate is a lot of the lineman he's drafted have turned into quality starters. Sears, Trueblood, and Joesph were all part of a line that helped Dunn (who's 34) and Grahm combine for over 1,200 yards with a 4.2 average. Zuttah also seems to have a bright future with the team. Aquib Talib turned out to be one of the better defensive rookies this year with 4 int's. Clayton was a one year wonder. Barrett Rudd was one hell of a pick and Alex Smith has been a nice role player for them. As for the rest well I'm willing to bet that a lot of them are cut but some of them might have a role that only Buc's fans really pay attention to. Sort of how like how we know about guys on our team like Lorenzo Alexander, Demetric Evans, and HB Blades.[/quote]

Wow over 1200 yards combined!!!! Didn't we have one rusher with more yards with what we call an old crappy line? So now people here want to try and fix a problem with a person who has not really shown any thing better than vinny at bringing in new talent.

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Everybodys buggin out over a Front Office move... how do we know what hell be like?...WE DONT...

Somebody wake me up when we attack free agency.....

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[quote=Mattyk72;522315]He was the GM in Tampa since 2004, that's it for his GM experience.[/quote]

thanks for the info. Not much experience as the gm, but long enough to guide a team. I wonder what the circumstances really were in his firing & how much Gruden had to do w/it.

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[quote=Ruhskins;522316]I think it was pretty much [B]stated this past offseason that Vinny would be the football boss[/B]. Hence the whole accountability issue and Snyder giving him "another year" to turn things around. I think at some point you gotta [B]stop the paranoia/hate, and just go with what's been said by the team[/B]. I don't know if Snyder has relinquished his involvement with player contracts, but I think Vinny is in charge of who gets acquired through free agency and draft picks.[/quote]

Yes, stated by whom? The Redskins, owned by danny, who happens to have a rich background in pr/marketing & seeks to control every aspect of pr about his team.

What would you expect him to say? "well, vinny is in charge of all football decisions, until I decide I want to intervene."

Granted, it looks as though Vinny has been given more authority & is speaking for the draft picks. But my point is that if you were good friends w/your boss, even though he officially has handed over the reins, don't you think that his opinion would heavily influence your decisions?

I asked this question of JLC but it didn't get posted in his online chat. I asked if there were any owner/gm friendships like that in the nfl and how they affect biz. The only one I know of was Shanahan & Bowlen in Denver. It was really hard for both of them when Shanahan was fired, but after all those years maybe it couldn't go on w/ a friendship and a business relationship. IMO, if you value the friendship long term, it might make sense to change the business relationship, whether by firing or reassigning duties.

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[quote=freddyg12;522459][B]Yes, stated by whom?[/B] The Redskins, owned by danny, who happens to have a rich background in pr/marketing & seeks to control every aspect of pr about his team.

What would you expect him to say? "well, vinny is in charge of all football decisions, until I decide I want to intervene."

Granted, it looks as though Vinny has been given more authority & is speaking for the draft picks. But my point is that if you were good friends w/your boss, even though he officially has handed over the reins, don't you think that his opinion would heavily influence your decisions?

I asked this question of JLC but it didn't get posted in his online chat. I asked if there were any owner/gm friendships like that in the nfl and how they affect biz. The only one I know of was Shanahan & Bowlen in Denver. It was really hard for both of them when Shanahan was fired, but after all those years maybe it couldn't go on w/ a friendship and a business relationship. IMO, if you value the friendship long term, it might make sense to change the business relationship, whether by firing or reassigning duties.[/quote]

I think this was pretty much a consensus by the sports media, even those outlets that are not controlled by Snyder. Yes, Snyder may have some influence, but many saw his change of title (promotion?) to Exec VP as a sign that he would be the one in charge. But Snyder is not at the level of Jerry Jones, meddling in everything, nor do I think he's at the level of getting involved as he was prior to Gibbs coming to town.

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[url=http://dcprosportsreport.com/?p=2583]Bruce Allen to the Redskins front office? | DC Pro Sports Report -- Sports news, stats and analysis from the capital of the free world[/url]

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[quote]Of course, ‘not very good at all’ would be an accurate description of Redskins GM/whateverhedoes [B]Vinny Cerrato[/B] and Snyder himself. Together, Snyderrato have mired the Redskins in mediocrity or worse for most of the last 10 years. Their drafts have been lackluster and often ignored and free agency has usually been an expensive mess, especially when [B]Joe Gibbs[/B] wasn’t handling it. And don’t ask about trades. They’ve been worse.[/quote]