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[quote=Mattyk72;522661]Guys really... we've had one season where we know for sure that Vinny is calling the shots, or at least is calling the good majority. Last year's draft class needs another year or two before we can really judge it, and this year call me crazy but I think we'll see a commitment to getting some lineman in here.[/quote]

while its only been 1 year that he's been "calling the shots" (for sure) he HAS BEEN THERE and therefore given a substantial amount of input. thus far the personal decision that have been made have been sub par. What has he done that makes you think that he's going to do be a good GM(ish)?

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[quote=SmootSmack;522663]I disagree. I think we should judge draft picks within a week of when they were drafted. It's only logical[/quote]

Right, becuase that is exactly what we did- how foolish of us...if we had only waited until week 2 we could have seen how dominant our picks are...

Might the WRs turn out great? yes. That was never my issue, my issue with the draft is that we took 3 receivers at ALL- we needed youth on the lines and we didn't draft them. instead we drafted "the best (sexiest?) players on the board" who all happened to be receivers (who other -stupid- teams passed on). fact is, only 1 player in our draft did contributed (significantly this year)- and he was a supplemental pick...

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[quote=celts32;522672]Matt, How do you remain so patient & positive in regards to this front office? I have loved this team pretty much since birth and will continue to love it unconditionaly...but I just don't have one ounce of patience left for a front office that involves Vinny. I mean the Chiefs just got Piolli and are talking about Mike Shannahan as coach and we are sitting here with Vinny who I doubt could get a job with any other team in the league.[/quote]
Well you can run out of patience all you want but it does not do any good because I don't think Snyder comes here to see what fans want to make his decisions. Cerrato has had this job for only onr year so how do we know who was making the calls prior to then. I guess we could bitch about last years first three picks but if what Shawn Spring said is true then we could see big thing from them .

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[quote=firstdown;522755]Well you can run out of patience all you want but it does not do any good because I don't think Snyder comes here to see what fans want to make his decisions. Cerrato has had this job for only onr year so how do we know who was making the calls prior to then. I guess we could bitch about last years first three picks but if what Shawn Spring said is true then we could see big thing from them .[/quote]

this 1 year talk, while true, greatly discounts Vinny's contribution. The guy was not a wallflower, he was a main party to the redskins over the past better part of a decade. Hired in 1999, he helped acquired older big name stars like [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Smith"]Bruce Smith[/URL], [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deion_Sanders"]Deion Sanders[/URL], [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irving_Fryar"]Irving Fryar[/URL], and [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Carrier_%28defensive_back%29"]Mark Carrier[/URL]. He was then fired by [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marty_Schottenheimer"]Marty Schottenheimer[/URL] in [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_Washington_Redskins_season"]2001[/URL]. After a brief stint as an [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESPN"]ESPN[/URL] college analyst Cerrato was rehired by Snyder 2002 as the Director of Player Personnel and was named Vice President of Football Operations in 2008.
Do we REALLY believe he had little to do with the teams consistently poor draft, trading and free agency decisions?

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[quote=Dirtbag359;522696]BRO YOU GOT SOMETHING TO SAY TO ME THEN JUST SAY IT. Oh wait you did. lol. Anyway the thing I was trying draw attention to was the overkill on recievers with high picks. Despite the fact that among other things they could easily have gotten a nice number 2 tight end in 2007 with Ben Patrick (projected 3rd round by Mike Mayock), however we decided to go after Jordan Palmer only to cut him. All the while Patrick is providing decent production for Arizona including that nice two point conversion against the Eagles (Keep in mind the guy averages only 14.5 ypg but thats definately more then we got from Davis).

However among other things I do very much agree that the jury is still out. My fear is that as you go down the draft the number of quality tackles decreases at a much quicker rate. Very rarely will you see a guy like Joe Staley last as long as he did, and I wouldn't bank on finding the next Marcus McNeil or Tony Ugoh in the second round.

Right now all I want is for the team to sit pretty at 13 and take Michael Oher or BJ Rali. Preferably Oher because we need more help at Tackle and Tackles usually have an easier time coming in and contributing. Then follow that up with the best available guard or center. Find a quality depth guy in the 5th thats capable of collapsing the pocket, and then look for a special teams guy that might eventually become a servicealbe OLB.

To me that would be a wonderful draft.

Of course as said before I will not be surprised to see the team with a new running back, outside linebacker, and corner come draft day.[/quote]
I actually agree with you DIRTBAG. I want to sit at #13 as well and take Oher. He will be a starter for 12 years. Then I think the center position should be addressed in round 3. and DL in round 5. But what about a place kicker. Do we go out and get one in free agency or do you draft the best avail. Place kickers are always over looked and are boy Suisham isn't cutting it.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;522741]Let me offer a couple of POSITIVE suggestions for how the Skins might get more draft picks for 2009:

1. Don't trade up on draft day; trade down if you do any trading at all.

2. If any other team gives an offer sheet to a restricted free agent, take the draft picks and let the RFA go.

3. [B]If you get any compensatory picks in the draft, don't waste them in trading scenarios.[/B]

4. If any team approaches the Skins wanting to trade for just about any player on the roster, listen carefully and try to get as many draft picks as possible in the deal. There shouldn't be more than a half-dozen "untouchable" players on the team [I][Remember, they missed the playoffs after all so the roster isn't exactly overloaded with top-shelf talent.][/I]

5. [B]MOST IMPORTANTLY:[/B] When considering trades where you get picks for players given the needs of the team in 2009, it is BETTER to get two second round picks than one first round pick. It might even be better to get a second and a third than a single first round pick.


All of this advice works ON THE ASSUMPTION that the scouts have done their job well and the people who have designed the draft board have done their job well AND the "football novices" in the organization are busy off doing other chores. :bdh:[/quote]

I believe compensatory picks cannot be traded. Other than that I agree with your points. I do think the the only "untouchable" players would be those who would have big cap implications if we were to trade them.

I was curious to know do we have any RFAs? I think someone mentioned Golston. Anyone else?

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[quote=SOUL-SKINS;522763]I actually agree with you DIRTBAG. I want to sit at #13 as well and take Oher. He will be a starter for 12 years. Then I think the center position should be addressed in round 3. and DL in round 5. But what about a place kicker. [B]Do we go out and get one in free agency or do you draft the best avail. Place kickers are always over looked and are boy Suisham isn't cutting it[/B].[/quote]

We had a kid with a big league leg at the HS I teach at. He is down at South Carolina now and red shirted this season. From what his dad was telling me at game this year, the kicking coach told him there are hundreds of guys with legs who could kick in the NFL, but only about 50 have the head for it. Based on that, I would rather bring in a bunch of guys and assess them than waste a draft pick on one.

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[quote=The Goat;522708]More picks seem a luxury at this point. We need a franchise tackle to solidify the other side of the line (opposite Samuels) and we're more likely, maybe far more likely, to get that @ 13 than bottom of the first or into the second round. What we did last year seemed ok and of course we have to wait and see how our top three picks develop, but trading away your 1st round talent opportunity year after year is a recipe for longterm mediocrity IMHO. It can't just be about grabbing more youth... top talent is necessary to be a great team.[/quote]
I personally am glad to hear Vinny talk this way. Everything begins with a thought, so at least he's starting to think right. I just hope he doesn't go from one extreme to another. As Goat and SmootSmack pointed out, a group of young mediocre players makes for a young mediocre team. I think he's on the right track and maybe the voice of the fan has been heard.

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I looked at the stats the one guy showed for drafts in each yr and noticed that we kept 3 players from 2007 and 4 from 2008 class. All the other yrs we kept maybe 1 or 2 players. So my two major concerns with the team are maybe not so much Vinny(although he does help decide if we should hire them) as it is ...player evaluation, and player develpement. If Vinny is the culprit then why do we have like 4-5 people hired to evaluate players and still can't get decent talent from the draft to as Vinny put it "stock pile" young guys.

My second concern about player development maybe more in line of the coach's. I'll agree Gibbs new his time was limited and needed to have the win now mentality and true with Zorn we really can take our time but with out decent coaching we will not have player development. Maybe Buges can turn his situation around considering he had a family issue last yr but I can't help but voice my displeasure with Hixon. Look at all the WR's brought in and he could not develope one? and if they are all garbage then fire the player evaluaters cause they suck also. It's either the coach for not developing them or the evaluaters for not evaluating talent. pick your poison.

I'm not riding Vinny's jock just really wondering if the Vinny and Snyder are really listening to the player evaluaters and picking according to what they say or is it Vinny/Snyder completely ignore their ideas and pick off the wall. If we are going to say Vinny must go can we throw out the evaluaters also since they seem to suck.

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Man our scouts are trash, otherwise we wouldn't have all these young guys that aren't doin' nothing (talkin' about 2007 draft and earlier).

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[quote=SBXVII;522789]I looked at the stats the one guy showed for drafts in each yr and noticed that we kept 3 players from 2007 and 4 from 2008 class. All the other yrs we kept maybe 1 or 2 players. So my two major concerns with the team are maybe not so much Vinny(although he does help decide if we should hire them) as it is ...player evaluation, and player develpement. If Vinny is the culprit then why do we have like 4-5 people hired to evaluate players and still can't get decent talent from the draft to as Vinny put it "stock pile" young guys.

My second concern about player development maybe more in line of the coach's. I'll agree Gibbs new his time was limited and needed to have the win now mentality and true with Zorn we really can take our time but with out decent coaching we will not have player development. Maybe Buges can turn his situation around considering he had a family issue last yr [B]but I can't help but voice my displeasure with Hixon.[/B] Look at all the WR's brought in and he could not develope one? and if they are all garbage then fire the player evaluaters cause they suck also. It's either the coach for not developing them or the evaluaters for not evaluating talent. pick your poison.

I'm not riding Vinny's jock just really wondering if the Vinny and Snyder are really listening to the player evaluaters and picking according to what they say or is it Vinny/Snyder completely ignore their ideas and pick off the wall. If we are going to say Vinny must go can we throw out the evaluaters also since they seem to suck.[/quote]

This guy is more and more of a mystery. From the team website it looks as though he never worked in pro ball prior to his arrival @ Redskins Park. He came from LSU (I wonder what the connection was to us) and before that GA Tech. I just don't understand. With a track record as weak as his, with his only real success being in college ball, why is he retained year after year. NOT ONE RECEIVER DEVELOPED IN 5 SEASONS WITH US.

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I have a question for all the Vinny bashers out there. Personal feelings aside, do you believe it is possible for a person to grow into his or her role at that level, i.e. learn from experience and past mistakes? The league is rife with examples of successes who began miserably. Off the top of my head I can think of a handful of so-called "great" HC's who flamed out dramatically in their first stints as such.

It's said that the only true road to success is through failure. I'd like to think Cerrato is on that path; not every NFL exec can be as big a hit as Bill Polian -- usually they have some serious growing pains to undergo before they "get it."

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[quote=BigRedskinDaddy;522802]I have a question for all the Vinny bashers out there. Personal feelings aside, do you believe it is possible for a person to grow into his or her role at that level, i.e. learn from experience and past mistakes? The league is rife with examples of successes who began miserably. Off the top of my head I can think of a handful of so-called "great" HC's who flamed out dramatically in their first stints as such.

It's said that the only true road to success is through failure. I'd like to think Cerrato is on that path; not every NFL exec can be as big a hit as Bill Polian -- usually they have some serious growing pains to undergo before they "get it."[/quote]

I think that is true in most aspects in life as long as you are willing to learn from your mistakes and make the nessesary adjustments/changes to succeed

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[quote=BigRedskinDaddy;522802]I have a question for all the Vinny bashers out there. Personal feelings aside, do you believe it is possible for a person to grow into his or her role at that level, i.e. learn from experience and past mistakes? [B]The league is rife with examples of successes who began miserably. Off the top of my head I can think of a handful of so-called "great" HC's who flamed out dramatically in their first stints as such.[/B]

It's said that the only true road to success is through failure. I'd like to think Cerrato is on that path; not every NFL exec can be as big a hit as Bill Polian -- usually they have some serious growing pains to undergo before they "get it."[/quote]

I def don't have the expertise to answer. Just two thoughts though... not sure the HC comparison works. VC's real duty as I understand it is to get the very best talent into Redskins Park whereas the HC organizes, motivates and fosters that talent into results. Different skill set IMO and while the HC works w/ those players, builds rapport and basically turns experiences into knowledge, the talent gatherer has to evaluate a laundry list characteristics and various intangibles that separate players from eachother. I'm totally theorizing here but it seems a successful talent evaluator would've been around ball players for a long time and have a shit ton of experience to be really good at what they do.

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I get the feeling that pick 13 is going to come around and there will be someone highly hyped available. Maybe Raji, maybe Jason Smith.

The Lions have pick #1, #20, and #33, and having gotten a stud at #1 I think they could offer #20 and #33 for the #13.

A draft featuring Andre Smith and BJ Raji would probably result in a parade in Detroit and may be too good to pass up.

Other teams with the picks that might be able to swing a deal for the #13 (excluding hated NYG and PHI):

Miami: #25, #45, #57
NE: #23, #48, #55

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[quote=SOUL-SKINS;522763]I actually agree with you DIRTBAG. I want to sit at #13 as well and take Oher. He will be a starter for 12 years. Then I think the center position should be addressed in round 3. and DL in round 5. But what about a place kicker. Do we go out and get one in free agency or do you draft the best avail. Place kickers are always over looked and are boy Suisham isn't cutting it.[/quote]

I think we keep pick 13. As far as a kicker is concerned Sushi isn't that bad. Well, ya he is but he has shown some promise. I would hate to trade down just for the sake of getting more pics if we can get 1 game changer at 13.

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Yes Vinny can learn to be good at what he does.....whatever it is. I'm not knocking him I just am really wondering how much evaluating he does or how much of listening to the paid evaluaters he does. I would assume the team looks at needs and has the evaluaters go out and find what the need is. Evaluate the talent and report back as their findings. Then when draft day rolls around does Vinny say screw the needed pick lets go with BAP(best available player) or is he following a script the evaluaters have as what they feel is BAP for team need?

I would say I don't have a problem with our last 3 drafts. We have kept more players then we have let go I believe. Previous to that though we would only keep 1 or 2 players from a draft. Perhaps it's part of the coaching also. Maybe Zorn came in and said we need to get younger like the Patriots. Start pulling from the draft instead of picking up old has beens. In any case it would seem he's learning a lesson.

You won't hear me bash Vinny too much only because I'm not exactly sure what his job is. We have evaluaters making money. I'm not sure how long they all have been with the Skins though.

People are bashing Vinny now for not wanting to take a person at #13. I for one believe all the first round talent is a crap shoot. It has been proven that 1st round talent is 50/50. Most of the talent comes from the 2nd to 4th rounds were the talent equals what you pay for. Also I really like Buges and I think he is the best trainer out there who can take a no name and turn him into something special but he is a "man to man" blocking coach. I can remember in Gibbs1 Buges would get all upset after a Bronco game saying that the whole Zone blocking and Cut blocking schemes were crap and caused injuries to the opponents too much and he wouldn't use that type of blocking. Having said that ...it would seem the Bronco's zone/cut blocking scheme's work well, even Portis got lots of yards using it. So my other question is ...are we better off changing to a zone/cut blocking for the WCO? and if so then perhaps Buges needs to be let go.

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Vinny is sending out a signal that he'll trade down. Great idea, although there's nothing wrong with picking at #13 if you can get a strong starter in the right position.

I'm for giving Vinny the benefit of the doubt for this season. However, I also don't think in this NFL that you can give coaches or players an unlimited amount of time either.

If Vinny can draft for the OL or DL then I will be happy. However, his idea to pick flash position, like WR, or BPA, or picking players with known injury problems shakes any confidence. Maybe he'll grow into the position but he certainly hasn't started out very well.

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I hope he does what he says however I would like to see Moss stay a Skin.

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[quote=gully;522811]I get the feeling that pick 13 is going to come around and there will be someone highly hyped available. Maybe Raji, maybe Jason Smith.

The Lions have pick #1, #20, and #33, and having gotten a stud at #1 I think they could offer #20 and #33 for the #13.

A draft featuring Andre Smith and BJ Raji would probably result in a parade in Detroit and may be too good to pass up.

Other teams with the picks that might be able to swing a deal for the #13 (excluding hated NYG and PHI):

Miami: #25, #45, #57
NE: #23, #48, #55[/quote]

Pulling a 20 and a 33 would not be bad at all.. I dunno if they'd give that much up or not, but that'd be a deal that I'd be fine with biting on, unless our board didn't show us getting anything solid around there

I think that you really just have to see what's still there at 13

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[quote=The Goat;522807]I def don't have the expertise to answer. Just two thoughts though... not sure the HC comparison works. VC's real duty as I understand it is to get the very best talent into Redskins Park whereas the HC organizes, motivates and fosters that talent into results. Different skill set IMO and while the HC works w/ those players, builds rapport and basically turns experiences into knowledge, the talent gatherer has to evaluate a laundry list characteristics and various intangibles that separate players from eachother. I'm totally theorizing here but it seems a successful talent evaluator would've been around ball players for a long time and have a shit ton of experience to be really good at what they do.[/quote]

Agreed. They are two different positions, with two entirely different sets of requirements. I don't think anyone would argue that Vinny has certainly lagged behind the rest of the class, so to speak, regarding his learning curve (if he even has one). Not to beat a dead horse or anything, but I still keep hoping he's starting to figure out what makes a good FO and what doesn't -- because he's likely our top brass for a while.

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[quote=tryfuhl;522852]Pulling a 20 and a 33 would not be bad at all.. I dunno if they'd give that much up or not, but that'd be a deal that I'd be fine with biting on, unless our board didn't show us getting anything solid around there

I think that you really just have to see what's still there at 13[/quote]

Yeah two picks in the first would be hard to pass-up. A franchise tackle probably won't be there unless we're really, really lucky but a starting G/C (maybe this mack everybody likes) and a starting OLB. We'd have to bring in a starting RT from FA then IMO but hey we need to spend some money anyway right?

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[quote=Mattyk72;522661]Guys really... we've had one season where we know for sure that Vinny is calling the shots, or at least is calling the good majority. Last year's draft class needs another year or two before we can really judge it, and this year call me crazy but I think we'll see a commitment to getting some lineman in here.[/quote]

One season? What do you think he's been doing for the past nine years?

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After hearing what Vinny said at the Senior Bowl I'm about 94% sure we come away with a linebacker with our first pick. Good thing he's making sure we're getting young a position where we're having trouble with age /sarcasm.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;522913]After hearing what Vinny said at the Senior Bowl I'm about 94% sure we come away with a linebacker with our first pick. Good thing he's making sure we're getting young a position where we're having trouble with age /sarcasm.[/quote]

The problem is, linebacker is actually a position of need. Marcus Washington is a goner, London Fletcher's tank is running on empty, and Rocky McIntosh is shaping up to be nothing special.

But if they're going anywhere through the draft on D it has to be the line.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;522913][B]After hearing what Vinny said at the Senior Bowl I'm about 94% sure we come away with a linebacker with our first pick.[/B] Good thing he's making sure we're getting young a position where we're having trouble with age /sarcasm.[/quote]

Does that mean we're almost certain to trade down? I'm not hearing any names pop up when it comes to a LB worth grabbing @ 13.

Edit: looking @ mock drafts I saw Curry and Cushing are both projected to go in the top 15. I don't know anything about Curry but the video I saw of Cushing was less than impressive. He tends to lose his fit making the tackle... NFL backs will run through him if he doesn't get better on technique.

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Also Cushing was rated w/ below average durability, which is basically the biggest complaint about Marcus. I DON'T UNDERSTAND VINNY. By all accounts this draft has better o-line talent than compared to LB, WR or something else and yet he continues to look in the other direction. This is getting bizarre.

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[quote=Beemnseven;522912]One season? What do you think he's been doing for the past nine years?[/quote]

Totally...it's like the promotion last year somehow cleansed him.

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I wouldn't read too much into anything Vinny says pre-draft. Consider this: FO's jockey for position and play mind games all the time as they assemble their boards and do their mocks. I just read an article on the Bucs draft the year they selected both Warren Sapp and Derrick Brooks in the first round. Rich McKay said they put it out there that they wanted Mike Mamula out of BC to throw off the pursuit, for lack of a better term. Then they traded down and got an additional 1st for two 2nd round picks in a trade. End of story.

It's all spec and wordplay at this point. The only people who know what is really going to happen are those in the Redskins War Room.

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[quote=BigRedskinDaddy;522929]I wouldn't read too much into anything Vinny says pre-draft. Consider this: FO's jockey for position and play mind games all the time as they assemble their boards and do their mocks. I just read an article on the Bucs draft the year they selected both Warren Sapp and Derrick Brooks in the first round. Rich McKay said they put it out there that they wanted Mike Mamula out of BC to throw off the pursuit, for lack of a better term. Then they traded down and got an additional 1st for two 2nd round picks in a trade. End of story.

It's all spec and wordplay at this point. The only people who know what is really going to happen are those in the Redskins War Room.[/quote]

I don't know Vinny is pretty frank about what the team is going to do before the draft. For example last year he said they wanted to trade down and we did. Kept on talking how great Malcolm Kelly was next thing you know he's a Redskin. Also said before hand that they were going to get a late round QB to be developed and we got it with Colt. On top of all this one thing I noticed about Vinny last year was how he went on and on about receivers and look what happened.

This year the focus seems to be on linebackers so you can see why I would think the team will go linebacker with their first pick this year. In fact the only mention I've heard of the line has been from third hand sources, people that claim Sndyeratto feel the line is a high priority, still all their actions so far lead me to believe they are going to do as much as they can to focus on other positions despite the fact that not only is the draft deep at Tackle and Center, but there are plenty of quality, cost effective, OLB's available in free agency that can at least serve as a stop gap.

Personally unless Aaron Curry or Rey Maluga falls to us somehow I don't think theres much justification for taking a LB over an OT. And even then what are we going to do about the line? Their precious offense will fall apart if we keep on showing up with the guys they got, and afterwards they'll just scratch their heads wondering "what went wrong?" we took the best player available.

I guess if they can go after Vernon Carey and Khalif Barnes in Free Agency and then drafted a Center in the third then I can back off and let them draft the linebacker of their choice but I doubt they'll do such a thing.

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[url=http://www.examiner.com/x-450-Washington-Redskins-Examiner~y2009m1d18-Redskins-2008-part-2-Stumbling-through-the-draft]Washington Redskins Examiner: Redskins 2008 part 2: Stumbling through the draft[/URL]

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[quote=44ever;523001][url=http://www.examiner.com/x-450-Washington-Redskins-Examiner~y2009m1d18-Redskins-2008-part-2-Stumbling-through-the-draft]Washington Redskins Examiner: Redskins 2008 part 2: Stumbling through the draft[/URL][/quote]

Wow, that is a sobering article. Seems like Mark Newgent did a lot of research for this article. A few of his points are a reach, but you cant get around some of the statistics and points he tries to make.

He brings up one interesting point: a lot of the excuses according to Cerratto for drafting so many (three) receivers was they were the best players at the time in the draft, almost implying it was fate. But yet it was clear that by their earlier pursuit of Ocho Cinco and Anquan Boldin that acquiring receivers was at the top of their wish list. Getting the three receivers might have been more by design than the claims they make now.

Another interesting point:
"Let's look more closely at the short term. Dead cap totals for the past three years:
1 Tenn - $65 million
2 Houston - $57 million
3 Redskins $55 million
4 Miami - $50 million
5 Denver - $49 million
Now, as we went over, the Titans got rid of Reese - who has had a long and distinguished career and has a strong coaching backround along with his front office work - and went with a new regime. Houston parted with Charley Casserly, who ran and put together that expansion team. Denver fired its GM a few weeks back - though much of the blame must go to the ubber-powerful head coach there as well - and Miami completely overhauled its front office a few months back, with The Tuna ushering in a new regime."

Cerratto is the only remaining guy left on that turd laying list.
Snyder who is quick to fire under performing employees, will not fire Ceratto.
That is a funny caption under the photo of Snyderratto, "Do they look like they know what they are doing?"
Funny.

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it might take us to take signs to the games saying fire vinny. if gets enough air time during the game over a season, this will eat away at danny boy and make him fire him.

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[quote=Beemnseven;522912]One season? What do you think he's been doing for the past nine years?[/quote]

Yes for one season he was clearly the one calling the shots. In the past it was never clear if it was him, Snyder, Gibbs, Snyder's father, the janitor, etc.

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[quote=celts32;522928]Totally...it's like the promotion last year somehow cleansed him.[/quote]

No it didn't cleanse him, that's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is we now know who to blame. It's all on him now. In the past that wasn't clear.

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[quote=Mattyk72;523015]Yes for one season he was clearly the one calling the shots. In the past it was never clear if it was him, Snyder, Gibbs, Snyder's father, the janitor, etc.[/quote]

I bet those 20 people that were fired by the Skins were calling the shots. That's most likely the reason they were let go.

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I still don't know why y'all are bashin' the FO for drafting 3 pass catchers in the 2nd round. I don't completely agree with the Fred Davis, but i guess the thought of running a WCO wit 2 passing catching TEs made them drool....but they also picked 2 WRs to A. hopefully have a Fitz/Boldin type tandum, and 2. they figured only one would be a gem, and the other would be a bust, so they were playing the numbers game.

And to the dumbass that said we passed on Avery and Jackson and look what they did, THEY ARE BOTH UNDER 6'0"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! we already have 2 receivers like that, we needed TALL receivers. so shut that shit up about passing on Jackson. y'all would've been screaming if we drafted a short receiver last year

Re: Cerrato wants more draft picks
 

the real problem w/ the FO is our scouts/talent evaluators.....that or our coaches can't coach...like what one person said about our WR coach....think he should be looked at and fired if he doesn't make progress by mid-way point this season

Re: Cerrato wants more draft picks
 

[quote=Mattyk72;523016]No it didn't cleanse him, that's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is we now know who to blame. It's all on him now. In the past that wasn't clear.[/quote]

I didn't mean you in particular said it cleansed him...it's just the general feeling I get that somehow becasue he was given that promotion that it re-starts the clock and he has several years to prove himself from here. I just don't see it that way. The way I see it is if he's had 10% influence or 90% influence in the direcetion of the team he was still a part of it. I know we beat the vinny topic to death on here...the bottom line is that all I want to know is that if he fails he will be fired...and the last 10+ years is evidence that he won't be. So that's frustrating to me and many others...

Re: Cerrato wants more draft picks
 

It's hard to blame the last 10 years on him when we don't even know the extent of his involvement in personnel decisions. Only Snyder really knows that. To me beginning last year was day 1 of the Vinny era and it's only fair to judge him from then forward.